What is actually useful about Windows 10 released today (not justhype)?

On 7/30/2015 10:19 PM, Mayayana wrote:
| My objection to Win10 has nothing to do with me liking it.
| It doesn't look that different than Win7, which I like ok.
| My objections a
| 1. More loss of control of my own computer
| 2. Spyware with the loss of what little privacy I had
| 3. Adware right there in my face on the start menu
| 4. Mandatory updates, which apparently are installed
| when MS wants

Interesting piece he

http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/29/wind-nos/

It links to brand new Privacy terms and TOS, which
have been changed for Win10.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/priv...t/default.aspx

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/serv...t/default.aspx

I haven't read Microsoft
legalese for awhile, so I don't know how much changed it
is, but it's certainly an eye opener. They don't hesitate to
lay claim to virtually all actions and data on a Windows
PC. Why do they collect data? 3 main reasons:

"(1) to operate our business and provide (including improving and
personalizing) the services we offer, (2) to send communications, including
promotional communications, and (3) to display advertising."

In plain English: marketing research, marketing spam and ads.

Expect spam. Expect targetted ads and spying.
Expect advertisers to get your private info.
(They actually say so.) There are statements
about being able to opt out of at least some
targetted ads, but not about being able to opt
out of spying.

Much of this falls under the popular spyware
catch-22: "Don't want us tracking your location
and using that data? Well, you don't have to
enable functionality like location services or Cortana.
If you don't use your computer or phone you won't
be spied on. So it's all in your hands."

An interesting aspect of the privacy terms is that
they're using the Google trick of applying them to
all Microsoft products. So one might infer that "we
share your personal data with advertisers" applies
to hotmail, for instance. But Win10 has the same
terms. And of course the big change with Win10 is
the integration of services like hotmail.

"Some diagnostic data collection is vital and cannot
be turned off". Vital.

While you may not have to get a Microsoft ID, there's
some question about what that means. Is it required
to use Cortana? Skype? To buy software? Other
functionality? Based on Win8 I'm guessing that most
people will be led to believe that they must have an
MS ID, anyway. And probably most other people will
end up needing it for one thing or another.

Here's another zinger:

"We continuously work to improve the Services and may change the Services or
delete features or stop providing access to Third-Party Apps and Services in
that respect at any time"

There's a lot of talk about services. Terms of
services. Payment for services. Etc.


Not much difference from the privacy statement when you open a bank
account. You agree to let that bank share your information with "third
parties" including the federal government.

How many here or anywhere can honestly say they read and understood
THAT privacy statement?

On 7/31/2015 2:15 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 21:40:59 +0100, DEFENDER01
wrote:


If you dont want / like W10 then you have the choice.
I now have it and haven't found any thing so bad.
People dont like changes but like i said your choice.

I like chocolate cake but i wont say no to another flavour.!!!!

If you think it's about not liking changes, then you haven't been paying
attention to the conversation. ;-)

The conversation has been about very specific changes that don't benefit the
consumer in any way, but they do seemingly benefit MS in multiple ways.

That's capitalism in the new and always changing world we now live in.

"Capitulatism". No one leaves home with out it.

On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 05:20:35 -0400, Ron wrote:

On 8/1/2015 10:52 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:32:49 +0000 (UTC), "D. F. Manno"
wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote in message


What Windows 7 users need to know about updating to Windows 10
http://mashable.com/2015/07/30/windo...de-windows-10/

Here's my take on that nice article:
1. The "Start Menu" is back in Windows 10
2. Windows 7 "Gadget" is gone in Windows 10
3. Windows 7 "Windows Media Center" is gone in Windows 10
4. Windows 10 Pro has "Update for Business"
5. Windows 10 Pro has "Domain Join Services"
6. Windows 10 Pro has "BitLocker Drive Encryption"
7. Windows 10 Pro has "Group Policy editor"
8. Windows 10 Pro has "Remote Access Services"
9. Windows 10 has "DirectX 12 graphics API"
10. Windows 10 has game streaming from Xbox One
11. Windows 10 has "Cortana", the voice assistant
12. You have only 1 month to decide if you want to revert

Is any of that useful for the average Windows 7 user?

Yes: it tells me that there's nothing there that I actually want.

If it said "Windows 10 has built-in support for Blu-Ray discs" I might
look at it again.



LOL!

Windows 8/8.1 Home/Core Windows Media Player won't even play a DVD!

Well at least Windos 7 will read/write a DVD. I haven't tried it with
a Blu-Ray though my son had a Blu-Ray drive. I think it needs 3rd
party software to use with Windows 7.


--
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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 00:26:32 -0400, "A.M" wrote:

On 2015-08-01 11:42 PM, EGK wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 04:52:28 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:32:49 +0000 (UTC), "D. F. Manno"
wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote in message


What Windows 7 users need to know about updating to Windows 10
http://mashable.com/2015/07/30/windo...de-windows-10/

Here's my take on that nice article:
1. The "Start Menu" is back in Windows 10
2. Windows 7 "Gadget" is gone in Windows 10
3. Windows 7 "Windows Media Center" is gone in Windows 10
4. Windows 10 Pro has "Update for Business"
5. Windows 10 Pro has "Domain Join Services"
6. Windows 10 Pro has "BitLocker Drive Encryption"
7. Windows 10 Pro has "Group Policy editor"
8. Windows 10 Pro has "Remote Access Services"
9. Windows 10 has "DirectX 12 graphics API"
10. Windows 10 has game streaming from Xbox One
11. Windows 10 has "Cortana", the voice assistant
12. You have only 1 month to decide if you want to revert

Is any of that useful for the average Windows 7 user?

Yes: it tells me that there's nothing there that I actually want.

If it said "Windows 10 has built-in support for Blu-Ray discs" I might
look at it again.

I believe they even removed DVD playback but you can still install VLC. lol

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/win...en-you-upgrade

DVD playback. “Watching DVDs requires separate playback software,” Microsoft
notes. But I assume any existing DVD playback software will continue
running. And in a separate FAQ, Microsoft says it is “providing a free DVD
playback app in Windows 10 for Windows Media Center users.”

Microsoft Edge has some decent malware protection actually. I ventured
onto a site with illegal streams to watch UFC tonight, fully expecting
that one of the ads was going to attempt to serve me malware. Edge
detected that the site had a "programming error" and warned me about the
malware. Quite impressive considering that Internet Explorer used to be
the best way through which to get malware onto a person's computer.

I was looking forward to giving Edge a try. When I went to sites with a long
vertical scrolling bar on the right, it was very jerky moving it up and down
with the mouse. Scrolling was fine with the up/down keyboard keys though.
II was worried it was my particulare mouse but I installed Chrome and that
was very smooth.

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 13:41:58 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 05:20:35 -0400, Ron wrote:

On 8/1/2015 10:52 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:32:49 +0000 (UTC), "D. F. Manno"
wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote in message


What Windows 7 users need to know about updating to Windows 10
http://mashable.com/2015/07/30/windo...de-windows-10/

Here's my take on that nice article:
1. The "Start Menu" is back in Windows 10
2. Windows 7 "Gadget" is gone in Windows 10
3. Windows 7 "Windows Media Center" is gone in Windows 10
4. Windows 10 Pro has "Update for Business"
5. Windows 10 Pro has "Domain Join Services"
6. Windows 10 Pro has "BitLocker Drive Encryption"
7. Windows 10 Pro has "Group Policy editor"
8. Windows 10 Pro has "Remote Access Services"
9. Windows 10 has "DirectX 12 graphics API"
10. Windows 10 has game streaming from Xbox One
11. Windows 10 has "Cortana", the voice assistant
12. You have only 1 month to decide if you want to revert

Is any of that useful for the average Windows 7 user?

Yes: it tells me that there's nothing there that I actually want.

If it said "Windows 10 has built-in support for Blu-Ray discs" I might
look at it again.



LOL!

Windows 8/8.1 Home/Core Windows Media Player won't even play a DVD!

Well at least Windos 7 will read/write a DVD. I haven't tried it with
a Blu-Ray though my son had a Blu-Ray drive. I think it needs 3rd
party software to use with Windows 7.

It does. One of the biggest complaints from people buying blu-ray disc
drives is they're bare drives. You install one and find out you still need
to buy 3rd party blu-ray software to play a damned disc. VLC is free and
has blu-ray capability but I've read it's iffy.
http://www.sanspantalones.com/2015/0...-media-player/

| Not much difference from the privacy statement when you open a bank
| account. You agree to let that bank share your information with "third
| parties" including the federal government.
|

I don't think there's really much parallel there. One
might compare it to a privacy policy for your next
car, but banks are required by law to report certain
transactions. A privacy policy for software is not
necessary and has not been required in the past.
There's only been a license agreement. The privacy
policy is a new step for rental and ad-supported
services.

In general, the kinds of policies at banks
involve sharing your data as needed for business.
What Microsoft clearly states is that they will watch
everything you do, and even what you write about,
in order to optimize their targetted ads. Their privacy
policy is basically saying that you have no private
space. You're a visitor on their property, simply
by using their product. My bank has never asked for
an accounting of how I spend my money. And I
expect that if you buy "Fifty Shades of Gray" --
a licensed copy of intellectiual property just as
Windows is -- you'd be surprised if you discovered
that the book had a microphone and camera to
collect sex data for later books. (Not that I'm
accusing you of having an unusually interesting
sex life.

On 2015-08-02 5:24 AM, Ron wrote:
On 8/2/2015 12:26 AM, A.M wrote:
On 2015-08-01 11:42 PM, EGK wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 04:52:28 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:32:49 +0000 (UTC), "D. F. Manno"
wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote in message


What Windows 7 users need to know about updating to Windows 10
http://mashable.com/2015/07/30/windo...de-windows-10/

Here's my take on that nice article:
1. The "Start Menu" is back in Windows 10
2. Windows 7 "Gadget" is gone in Windows 10
3. Windows 7 "Windows Media Center" is gone in Windows 10
4. Windows 10 Pro has "Update for Business"
5. Windows 10 Pro has "Domain Join Services"
6. Windows 10 Pro has "BitLocker Drive Encryption"
7. Windows 10 Pro has "Group Policy editor"
8. Windows 10 Pro has "Remote Access Services"
9. Windows 10 has "DirectX 12 graphics API"
10. Windows 10 has game streaming from Xbox One
11. Windows 10 has "Cortana", the voice assistant
12. You have only 1 month to decide if you want to revert

Is any of that useful for the average Windows 7 user?

Yes: it tells me that there's nothing there that I actually want.

If it said "Windows 10 has built-in support for Blu-Ray discs" I might
look at it again.

I believe they even removed DVD playback but you can still install
VLC. lol

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/win...en-you-upgrade


DVD playback. “Watching DVDs requires separate playback software,”
Microsoft
notes. But I assume any existing DVD playback software will continue
running. And in a separate FAQ, Microsoft says it is “providing a
free DVD
playback app in Windows 10 for Windows Media Center users.”

Microsoft Edge has some decent malware protection actually. I ventured
onto a site with illegal streams to watch UFC tonight, fully expecting
that one of the ads was going to attempt to serve me malware. Edge
detected that the site had a "programming error" and warned me about the
malware. Quite impressive considering that Internet Explorer used to be
the best way through which to get malware onto a person's computer.


Chrome and adblocker.

#34 secconds

I refuse to use anything made by Google. I would have used Opera with
Ghostery (which blocks more than enough ads from displaying) but I also
refuse to install Flash in general. Of course, since Flash is necessary
to watch those illegal streams, I used Microsoft Edge because it's being
forced down my throat and has Flash built-in. I was impressed with the
malware blocking but the browser is useless without something to block
tracking cookies.

--
A.M

On 2015-08-02 5:24 AM, Ron wrote:
On 8/2/2015 12:26 AM, A.M wrote:
On 2015-08-01 11:42 PM, EGK wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 04:52:28 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:32:49 +0000 (UTC), "D. F. Manno"
wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote in message


What Windows 7 users need to know about updating to Windows 10
http://mashable.com/2015/07/30/windo...de-windows-10/

Here's my take on that nice article:
1. The "Start Menu" is back in Windows 10
2. Windows 7 "Gadget" is gone in Windows 10
3. Windows 7 "Windows Media Center" is gone in Windows 10
4. Windows 10 Pro has "Update for Business"
5. Windows 10 Pro has "Domain Join Services"
6. Windows 10 Pro has "BitLocker Drive Encryption"
7. Windows 10 Pro has "Group Policy editor"
8. Windows 10 Pro has "Remote Access Services"
9. Windows 10 has "DirectX 12 graphics API"
10. Windows 10 has game streaming from Xbox One
11. Windows 10 has "Cortana", the voice assistant
12. You have only 1 month to decide if you want to revert

Is any of that useful for the average Windows 7 user?

Yes: it tells me that there's nothing there that I actually want.

If it said "Windows 10 has built-in support for Blu-Ray discs" I might
look at it again.

I believe they even removed DVD playback but you can still install
VLC. lol

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/win...en-you-upgrade


DVD playback. “Watching DVDs requires separate playback software,”
Microsoft
notes. But I assume any existing DVD playback software will continue
running. And in a separate FAQ, Microsoft says it is “providing a
free DVD
playback app in Windows 10 for Windows Media Center users.”

Microsoft Edge has some decent malware protection actually. I ventured
onto a site with illegal streams to watch UFC tonight, fully expecting
that one of the ads was going to attempt to serve me malware. Edge
detected that the site had a "programming error" and warned me about the
malware. Quite impressive considering that Internet Explorer used to be
the best way through which to get malware onto a person's computer.


Chrome and adblocker.

#34 secconds

I just want to add that I was disappointed by the last fight; I really
thought Correia had a chance.


--
A.M

On 8/2/2015 10:50 AM, Mayayana wrote:
| Not much difference from the privacy statement when you open a bank
| account. You agree to let that bank share your information with "third
| parties" including the federal government.
|

I don't think there's really much parallel there. One
might compare it to a privacy policy for your next
car, but banks are required by law to report certain
transactions. A privacy policy for software is not
necessary and has not been required in the past.
There's only been a license agreement. The privacy
policy is a new step for rental and ad-supported
services.

In general, the kinds of policies at banks
involve sharing your data as needed for business.
What Microsoft clearly states is that they will watch
everything you do, and even what you write about,
in order to optimize their targetted ads. Their privacy
policy is basically saying that you have no private
space. You're a visitor on their property, simply
by using their product. My bank has never asked for
an accounting of how I spend my money. And I
expect that if you buy "Fifty Shades of Gray" --
a licensed copy of intellectiual property just as
Windows is -- you'd be surprised if you discovered
that the book had a microphone and camera to
collect sex data for later books. (Not that I'm
accusing you of having an unusually interesting
sex life.



Our banks don't tell us much about who they share our information with
or who the "3rd parties" share what they get from the banks with. There
is for sure a parallel to the lack of privacy. The government requires
then to share with them but they are not required to share with anyone
else, but they do. The thought the banks "share as needed" I feel is
entirely understated. Banks are not clean and innocent and do what ever
they can to make a buck from their customers.

It's like the patent holders. Many say certain things can't be
protected by patents like speech but it is.

I don't think anyone can really explain the sharing going on by the
banks but people "think" they wouldn't do anything that would reveal
private information. I think they are as underhanded as any other entity
like Google and Microsoft.

We have to face the reality of the world and know everyone can/is
watching EVERYTHING we do.

The same as some in the government want to allow police to enter out
home without a search Warrant.

All we have is an expectation of privacy. To worry about MS knowing
everything and surrendering to Google is something most do.

Google knows everything we do, don't they?

On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:35:59 +0000 (UTC), "D. F. Manno"
wrote:

FredW wrote in message


You could also use:
http://www.classicshell.net/
Start button for Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10

As far as I remember, this is a nearly unusable hack simply because
it is lacking the most important feature of the original XP cascaded
menu.

You can't right click halfway into the cascade to "open here" to
manage the start menu.

Since managing the start menu is the KEY PROBLEM that most users have,
to not have the KEY FEATURE for managing the start menu is deadly.

It sounds like you haven't used it.

On 8/2/2015 11:16 AM, A.M wrote:
On 2015-08-02 5:24 AM, Ron wrote:
On 8/2/2015 12:26 AM, A.M wrote:
On 2015-08-01 11:42 PM, EGK wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 04:52:28 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:32:49 +0000 (UTC), "D. F. Manno"
wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote in message


What Windows 7 users need to know about updating to Windows 10
http://mashable.com/2015/07/30/windo...de-windows-10/

Here's my take on that nice article:
1. The "Start Menu" is back in Windows 10
2. Windows 7 "Gadget" is gone in Windows 10
3. Windows 7 "Windows Media Center" is gone in Windows 10
4. Windows 10 Pro has "Update for Business"
5. Windows 10 Pro has "Domain Join Services"
6. Windows 10 Pro has "BitLocker Drive Encryption"
7. Windows 10 Pro has "Group Policy editor"
8. Windows 10 Pro has "Remote Access Services"
9. Windows 10 has "DirectX 12 graphics API"
10. Windows 10 has game streaming from Xbox One
11. Windows 10 has "Cortana", the voice assistant
12. You have only 1 month to decide if you want to revert

Is any of that useful for the average Windows 7 user?

Yes: it tells me that there's nothing there that I actually want.

If it said "Windows 10 has built-in support for Blu-Ray discs" I might
look at it again.

I believe they even removed DVD playback but you can still install
VLC. lol

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/win...en-you-upgrade


DVD playback. “Watching DVDs requires separate playback software,”
Microsoft
notes. But I assume any existing DVD playback software will continue
running. And in a separate FAQ, Microsoft says it is “providing a
free DVD
playback app in Windows 10 for Windows Media Center users.”

Microsoft Edge has some decent malware protection actually. I ventured
onto a site with illegal streams to watch UFC tonight, fully expecting
that one of the ads was going to attempt to serve me malware. Edge
detected that the site had a "programming error" and warned me about the
malware. Quite impressive considering that Internet Explorer used to be
the best way through which to get malware onto a person's computer.


Chrome and adblocker.

#34 secconds

I refuse to use anything made by Google. I would have used Opera with
Ghostery (which blocks more than enough ads from displaying) but I also
refuse to install Flash in general. Of course, since Flash is necessary
to watch those illegal streams, I used Microsoft Edge because it's being
forced down my throat and has Flash built-in. I was impressed with the
malware blocking but the browser is useless without something to block
tracking cookies.


Why not use something to hide who you are?

https://www.hidemyass.com/pricing

On 2015-08-02 11:24 AM, Al Drake wrote:
On 8/2/2015 11:16 AM, A.M wrote:
On 2015-08-02 5:24 AM, Ron wrote:
On 8/2/2015 12:26 AM, A.M wrote:
On 2015-08-01 11:42 PM, EGK wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 04:52:28 +0200, Steve Hayes

wrote:

On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:32:49 +0000 (UTC), "D. F. Manno"
wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote in message


What Windows 7 users need to know about updating to Windows 10
http://mashable.com/2015/07/30/windo...de-windows-10/

Here's my take on that nice article:
1. The "Start Menu" is back in Windows 10
2. Windows 7 "Gadget" is gone in Windows 10
3. Windows 7 "Windows Media Center" is gone in Windows 10
4. Windows 10 Pro has "Update for Business"
5. Windows 10 Pro has "Domain Join Services"
6. Windows 10 Pro has "BitLocker Drive Encryption"
7. Windows 10 Pro has "Group Policy editor"
8. Windows 10 Pro has "Remote Access Services"
9. Windows 10 has "DirectX 12 graphics API"
10. Windows 10 has game streaming from Xbox One
11. Windows 10 has "Cortana", the voice assistant
12. You have only 1 month to decide if you want to revert

Is any of that useful for the average Windows 7 user?

Yes: it tells me that there's nothing there that I actually want.

If it said "Windows 10 has built-in support for Blu-Ray discs" I
might
look at it again.

I believe they even removed DVD playback but you can still install
VLC. lol

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/win...en-you-upgrade



DVD playback. “Watching DVDs requires separate playback software,”
Microsoft
notes. But I assume any existing DVD playback software will continue
running. And in a separate FAQ, Microsoft says it is “providing a
free DVD
playback app in Windows 10 for Windows Media Center users.”

Microsoft Edge has some decent malware protection actually. I ventured
onto a site with illegal streams to watch UFC tonight, fully expecting
that one of the ads was going to attempt to serve me malware. Edge
detected that the site had a "programming error" and warned me about
the
malware. Quite impressive considering that Internet Explorer used to be
the best way through which to get malware onto a person's computer.


Chrome and adblocker.

#34 secconds

I refuse to use anything made by Google. I would have used Opera with
Ghostery (which blocks more than enough ads from displaying) but I also
refuse to install Flash in general. Of course, since Flash is necessary
to watch those illegal streams, I used Microsoft Edge because it's being
forced down my throat and has Flash built-in. I was impressed with the
malware blocking but the browser is useless without something to block
tracking cookies.


Why not use something to hide who you are?

https://www.hidemyass.com/pricing

I used to do that but I lost interest.


--
A.M

| Our banks don't tell us much about who they share our information with
| or who the "3rd parties" share what they get from the banks with. There
| is for sure a parallel to the lack of privacy. The government requires
| then to share with them but they are not required to share with anyone
| else, but they do. The thought the banks "share as needed" I feel is
| entirely understated. Banks are not clean and innocent and do what ever
| they can to make a buck from their customers.
|
| It's like the patent holders. Many say certain things can't be
| protected by patents like speech but it is.
|
| I don't think anyone can really explain the sharing going on by the
| banks but people "think" they wouldn't do anything that would reveal
| private information. I think they are as underhanded as any other entity
| like Google and Microsoft.
|
| We have to face the reality of the world and know everyone can/is
| watching EVERYTHING we do.

A lot of good and relevant points, I think. To my
mind we need to be talking about privacy law, and
soon. It's way out of hand. Car companies are
now trying to figure out how to keep their spy
data from Apple and Google, so that *they* can
sell you out to advertisers and dataminers when
you use onboard computerization. The idea that
they have a right to do this collecting simply
because they can is an outrage, but most people
simply don't understand what's going on. If people
started hearing ads in their telephone conversations
they'd be surprised, but the new spyware is less
obvious, more insiduious, and is being used in
new ways.

|
| The same as some in the government want to allow police to enter out
| home without a search Warrant.
|
| All we have is an expectation of privacy. To worry about MS knowing
| everything and surrendering to Google is something most do.
|
| Google knows everything we do, don't they?
|

Speak for yourself. I rarely use Google for anything.
They're just plain too sleazy. It's true that protecting
privacy is not a simple issue, but the attitude that
there's nothing we can do, so we just have to accept it,
is counterproductive, and quite literally so. Accepting
the intrusions at all is to standardize them. There's a
very interesting piece about that he

http://wakeforestlawreview.com/readi...nd-privacy-law

The gist of it is that courts often consider social norms
in setting precedents. In a simple case like GMail -- it's
convenient and free. They rifle through your email
and save a copy for themselves, but that's not so obvious
to people using the service. So most people don't see what
the big deal is. But simply by accepting Google's methods,
even if people don't really know what they are, those methods
are likely to get codified legally as "reasonable expectation of
privacy". In other words, if you let them spy on you then
you're helping to make it legal for them to spy on you.

If I build you a desk you wouldn't expect to find me reading your
private papers for my marketing research, simply because the
desk was provided by me. The means of paymentfor the
desk would have no bearing on that. Yet that's exactly
what Google is doing. They're stealing your private property.
The only difference is that with a digital medium they can
do it secretively and "nonviolently". That is, they don't have
to physically break into your house in order to steal your private
property, and they don't leave any trace when they break in.

On 8/2/2015 11:17 AM, A.M wrote:
On 2015-08-02 5:24 AM, Ron wrote:

I just want to add that I was disappointed by the last fight; I really
thought Correia had a chance.



Why did you think she had a chance? It was business as usual for Ronda
who is on a completely different level than all of the other 135 pound
women. And, she gets better with every fight.

On 8/2/2015 12:19 PM, Mayayana wrote:
| Our banks don't tell us much about who they share our information with
| or who the "3rd parties" share what they get from the banks with. There
| is for sure a parallel to the lack of privacy. The government requires
| then to share with them but they are not required to share with anyone
| else, but they do. The thought the banks "share as needed" I feel is
| entirely understated. Banks are not clean and innocent and do what ever
| they can to make a buck from their customers.
|
| It's like the patent holders. Many say certain things can't be
| protected by patents like speech but it is.
|
| I don't think anyone can really explain the sharing going on by the
| banks but people "think" they wouldn't do anything that would reveal
| private information. I think they are as underhanded as any other entity
| like Google and Microsoft.
|
| We have to face the reality of the world and know everyone can/is
| watching EVERYTHING we do.

A lot of good and relevant points, I think. To my
mind we need to be talking about privacy law, and
soon. It's way out of hand. Car companies are
now trying to figure out how to keep their spy
data from Apple and Google, so that *they* can
sell you out to advertisers and dataminers when
you use onboard computerization. The idea that
they have a right to do this collecting simply
because they can is an outrage, but most people
simply don't understand what's going on. If people
started hearing ads in their telephone conversations
they'd be surprised, but the new spyware is less
obvious, more insiduious, and is being used in
new ways.

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| The same as some in the government want to allow police to enter out
| home without a search Warrant.
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| All we have is an expectation of privacy. To worry about MS knowing
| everything and surrendering to Google is something most do.
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| Google knows everything we do, don't they?
|

Speak for yourself. I rarely use Google for anything.
They're just plain too sleazy. It's true that protecting
privacy is not a simple issue, but the attitude that
there's nothing we can do, so we just have to accept it,
is counterproductive, and quite literally so. Accepting
the intrusions at all is to standardize them. There's a
very interesting piece about that he

http://wakeforestlawreview.com/readi...nd-privacy-law

The gist of it is that courts often consider social norms
in setting precedents. In a simple case like GMail -- it's
convenient and free. They rifle through your email
and save a copy for themselves, but that's not so obvious
to people using the service. So most people don't see what
the big deal is. But simply by accepting Google's methods,
even if people don't really know what they are, those methods
are likely to get codified legally as "reasonable expectation of
privacy". In other words, if you let them spy on you then
you're helping to make it legal for them to spy on you.

If I build you a desk you wouldn't expect to find me reading your
private papers for my marketing research, simply because the
desk was provided by me. The means of paymentfor the
desk would have no bearing on that. Yet that's exactly
what Google is doing. They're stealing your private property.
The only difference is that with a digital medium they can
do it secretively and "nonviolently". That is, they don't have
to physically break into your house in order to steal your private
property, and they don't leave any trace when they break in.


Interesting article, the only thing I will add is that the "Google
Effect" has caught on and to infer that only the G is the bad guy is
missing the point. Everywhere you go it a crowded highway even if no one
is staring right at you. You use plastic and your in the middle. You use
any provider of anything and you can't get around it.

The wife goes shopping and uses that FoodMart discount card. There's a
list of what you bought. You get a hair cut and they ask you for your
mane and email addy so they can type it in. You purchase anything that
has a warranty and you have to give them your name and address. To
resist is futile because the list goes on endlessly. No one really cares
because they all think "how does that hurt me". It's like allowing the
police into your home because you have nothing to hide. You're one of
the good guys. If they ask if the can come on do you say no for the sake
of resistance?

We do what we can but nothing works absolutely. I can use a proxy
server to hide behind. I can use a disposable email provider and a throw
away phone paid for with cash. All for what end? If you vote then your
information is free to everyone that knows where to look.

There is no privacy now and there never will be unless you have the
money to buy it. I don't, do you?