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  #76  
Old September 24th 18, 03:36 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Off-Topic: Good & Bads of Windows 10, How to disable updating

Char Jackson wrote:

mechanic wrote:

If you're talking business presentations you're using Win10 Pro no
doubt. If not you're going to come across as a clueless amateur. In
that edition it's easy to control updates and reboots.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...e/waas-restart


I've seen lots of businesses use the Home edition as workstations for
their employees and also reps making presentations with the Home
edition. PowerPoint does not demand it run on the Professional edition.

Please tell me more about controlling updates and reboots. I know about
the Active Hours control, but I'm not clear on how I can reboot on my
schedule, which is roughly every 60-90 days, or longer if I feel like
it.


https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down....aspx?id=56880

Found using an online search on "windows 10 pro update template updates"
(I recalled something with policies but having to install a custom
template of registry entries).

For info on how to install a policy template (for those that don't come
with an MSI installer), see:

https://www.google.com/search?q=wind...plat e+policy

I have the Home edition which does not come with the group policy editor
(gpedit.msc) to let me alter policies via a GUI tool. All polices are
registry entries and Microsoft has an Excel file listing them. I'd have
to hunt around to find it again, and I'm not sure custom policies are
included in that spreadsheet.

You might not need to download a policy template to add. According to:

https://www.google.com/search?q=wind...olicy+edit or

the policy is already available.

This assumes you believe Microsoft can be trusted to honor policies
configured to disable the Windows updates. If not, disable the BITS
(Background Intelligent Transfer) and WU (Windows Updates) services
using the service manager (services.msc). When you want to later
perform checks and updates on Windows, reenable those services before
running the Windows update client.

The services manipulation, policy config, and another method using
network metering (don't know if that still works) are also mentioned at:

https://www.easeus.com/todo-backup-r...ly-update.html

Stopping automatic reboots (or even manually reboots) after applying an
update is unwise. This leaves the fileset for the OS or its components
in a mixed state: some old files, some new files, and there can be
incompatibilities between them. The reboot is required to replace the
inuse files so the fileset is in sync. Even if an update doesn't not
itself attempt to or instruct to reboot, I've seen where a reboot fixes
problems with mixed-state filesets after an update.
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  #77  
Old September 24th 18, 04:12 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:32:12 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:10:10 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote:

IIRC, you mentioned the unexpected reboots as one of the big
issues. You no doubt have Windows 7 set to 'Notify you before
downloading updates' and the unexpected reboot thing is totally
unacceptable. I get that. A reboot/update just as you are about
to do a business presentation must be fairly disturbing, to say
the least. You can schedule these things in Windows Update and it
does seem to work effectively. If you still do not trust Windows
10 it can be fixed permanently.

If you're talking business presentations you're using Win10 Pro no
doubt. If not you're going to come across as a clueless amateur. In
that edition it's easy to control updates and reboots.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...e/waas-restart


Please tell me more about controlling updates and reboots. I know about
the Active Hours control, but I'm not clear on how I can reboot on my
schedule, which is roughly every 60-90 days, or longer if I feel like
it.


Note the comment at the bottom of that page

"Policy Settings Are Being Ignored"

This is why we have Policy Editors. Bwahahaha.
To make IT guys feel good about themselves.

A Policy Editor is like a Fischer Price activity center
for chimpanzees. You can spin the little dials
and honk the horn, but you're still in your
playpen.

Paul
  #78  
Old September 24th 18, 04:47 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Justin Tyme[_2_]
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:06:15 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:32:12 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:10:10 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote:

IIRC, you mentioned the unexpected reboots as one of the big
issues. You no doubt have Windows 7 set to 'Notify you before
downloading updates' and the unexpected reboot thing is totally
unacceptable. I get that. A reboot/update just as you are about
to do a business presentation must be fairly disturbing, to say
the least. You can schedule these things in Windows Update and it
does seem to work effectively. If you still do not trust Windows
10 it can be fixed permanently.


If you're talking business presentations you're using Win10 Pro no
doubt. If not you're going to come across as a clueless amateur. In
that edition it's easy to control updates and reboots.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...e/waas-restart


Please tell me more about controlling updates and reboots. I know about
the Active Hours control, but I'm not clear on how I can reboot on my
schedule, which is roughly every 60-90 days, or longer if I feel like
it.


Control Reboots


https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-perm...lling-updates/

Auto reboots won't happen. You will have to click restart manually.
Just like Windows 7. This setting sticks even after major updates, so
far I tested v1709 to v1803 and it didn't change. We'll see what
happpens when the fall update arrives.


Make windows ask to download updates:

GPedit.msc computer configuration administrative templateswindows
componentswindows update configure automatic updates select 2

'Notify before downloading'. Yes this still works or you can change
the the D word to 2 in the registry key. Don't have the name of the
key handy. It is the AU section of the Windows update key.

With v1803 it has changed to 'Notify before download and Auto install'
but it will not reboot unless you want it to. You also have to
manually click Download, if you don't it will message in the corner of
your screen. 'Updates are ready to download'. You can ignore it if you
like but every day or two the message will appear in the corner of the
screen saying you need updates. Just dismiss the message.

You will at some point click the message and install the updates. I
don't recall Windows 7 being any different but Win7 gave you the
choice for no updates. I have almost forgotton the Windows 7 stuff.

If you do the reboot fix first, which I recommend, then you
essentially have Windows 7 style. In Windows 7 you could set to
notify before downloading updates and reboot when you wanted. This
will be exactly the same.

Didn't mean to get carried away and push Windows 10 on you. I know the
last post was a littly pushy, what can I say, I like Windows 10. I was
kind of waiting for a post from you with your cutting whit

Weekends I stand on the street corners and hand out Windows 10
pamphlets. The rest of the week I knock on doors to see if everyone
has heard the good word

PS: Better yet get, the LTSC when it comes out. Like Windows 7 but
modern and good. Much more control and no BS feature updates all the
time.

Take care,
--
JT
  #79  
Old September 24th 18, 05:41 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Justin Tyme[_2_]
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 20:47:31 -0700, Justin Tyme
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:06:15 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:32:12 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:10:10 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote:

IIRC, you mentioned the unexpected reboots as one of the big
issues. You no doubt have Windows 7 set to 'Notify you before
downloading updates' and the unexpected reboot thing is totally
unacceptable. I get that. A reboot/update just as you are about
to do a business presentation must be fairly disturbing, to say
the least. You can schedule these things in Windows Update and it
does seem to work effectively. If you still do not trust Windows
10 it can be fixed permanently.

If you're talking business presentations you're using Win10 Pro no
doubt. If not you're going to come across as a clueless amateur. In
that edition it's easy to control updates and reboots.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...e/waas-restart


Please tell me more about controlling updates and reboots. I know about
the Active Hours control, but I'm not clear on how I can reboot on my
schedule, which is roughly every 60-90 days, or longer if I feel like
it.


Control Reboots


https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-perm...lling-updates/

Auto reboots won't happen. You will have to click restart manually.
Just like Windows 7. This setting sticks even after major updates, so
far I tested v1709 to v1803 and it didn't change. We'll see what
happpens when the fall update arrives.


Make windows ask to download updates:

GPedit.msc computer configuration administrative templateswindows
componentswindows update configure automatic updates select 2

'Notify before downloading'. Yes this still works or you can change
the the D word to 2 in the registry key. Don't have the name of the
key handy. It is the AU section of the Windows update key.

With v1803 it has changed to 'Notify before download and Auto install'
but it will not reboot unless you want it to. You also have to
manually click Download, if you don't it will message in the corner of
your screen. 'Updates are ready to download'. You can ignore it if you
like but every day or two the message will appear in the corner of the
screen saying you need updates. Just dismiss the message.

You will at some point click the message and install the updates. I
don't recall Windows 7 being any different but Win7 gave you the
choice for no updates. I have almost forgotton the Windows 7 stuff.

If you do the reboot fix first, which I recommend, then you
essentially have Windows 7 style. In Windows 7 you could set to
notify before downloading updates and reboot when you wanted. This
will be exactly the same.

Didn't mean to get carried away and push Windows 10 on you. I know the
last post was a littly pushy, what can I say, I like Windows 10. I was
kind of waiting for a post from you with your cutting whit

Weekends I stand on the street corners and hand out Windows 10
pamphlets. The rest of the week I knock on doors to see if everyone
has heard the good word

PS: Better yet get, the LTSC when it comes out. Like Windows 7 but
modern and good. Much more control and no BS feature updates all the
time.

Take care,


cutting wit not whit. Got a feeling it is still on the way
--
JT
  #80  
Old September 24th 18, 06:09 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

Justin Tyme wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:06:15 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:32:12 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:10:10 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote:

IIRC, you mentioned the unexpected reboots as one of the big
issues. You no doubt have Windows 7 set to 'Notify you before
downloading updates' and the unexpected reboot thing is totally
unacceptable. I get that. A reboot/update just as you are about
to do a business presentation must be fairly disturbing, to say
the least. You can schedule these things in Windows Update and it
does seem to work effectively. If you still do not trust Windows
10 it can be fixed permanently.
If you're talking business presentations you're using Win10 Pro no
doubt. If not you're going to come across as a clueless amateur. In
that edition it's easy to control updates and reboots.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...e/waas-restart

Please tell me more about controlling updates and reboots. I know about
the Active Hours control, but I'm not clear on how I can reboot on my
schedule, which is roughly every 60-90 days, or longer if I feel like
it.


Control Reboots


https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-perm...lling-updates/

Auto reboots won't happen. You will have to click restart manually.
Just like Windows 7. This setting sticks even after major updates, so
far I tested v1709 to v1803 and it didn't change. We'll see what
happpens when the fall update arrives.


Make windows ask to download updates:

GPedit.msc computer configuration administrative templateswindows
componentswindows update configure automatic updates select 2

'Notify before downloading'. Yes this still works or you can change
the the D word to 2 in the registry key. Don't have the name of the
key handy. It is the AU section of the Windows update key.

With v1803 it has changed to 'Notify before download and Auto install'
but it will not reboot unless you want it to. You also have to
manually click Download, if you don't it will message in the corner of
your screen. 'Updates are ready to download'. You can ignore it if you
like but every day or two the message will appear in the corner of the
screen saying you need updates. Just dismiss the message.

You will at some point click the message and install the updates. I
don't recall Windows 7 being any different but Win7 gave you the
choice for no updates. I have almost forgotton the Windows 7 stuff.

If you do the reboot fix first, which I recommend, then you
essentially have Windows 7 style. In Windows 7 you could set to
notify before downloading updates and reboot when you wanted. This
will be exactly the same.

Didn't mean to get carried away and push Windows 10 on you. I know the
last post was a littly pushy, what can I say, I like Windows 10. I was
kind of waiting for a post from you with your cutting whit

Weekends I stand on the street corners and hand out Windows 10
pamphlets. The rest of the week I knock on doors to see if everyone
has heard the good word

PS: Better yet get, the LTSC when it comes out. Like Windows 7 but
modern and good. Much more control and no BS feature updates all the
time.

Take care,


The comments at the end of your page, tell the story.
The feasibility of the fix changes with time.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-perm...lling-updates/

This is why I don't even need to test this stuff :-(

Paul
  #81  
Old September 24th 18, 06:54 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Justin Tyme[_2_]
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:41:05 -0700, Justin Tyme
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 20:47:31 -0700, Justin Tyme
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:06:15 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:32:12 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:10:10 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote:

IIRC, you mentioned the unexpected reboots as one of the big
issues. You no doubt have Windows 7 set to 'Notify you before
downloading updates' and the unexpected reboot thing is totally
unacceptable. I get that. A reboot/update just as you are about
to do a business presentation must be fairly disturbing, to say
the least. You can schedule these things in Windows Update and it
does seem to work effectively. If you still do not trust Windows
10 it can be fixed permanently.

If you're talking business presentations you're using Win10 Pro no
doubt. If not you're going to come across as a clueless amateur. In
that edition it's easy to control updates and reboots.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...e/waas-restart

Please tell me more about controlling updates and reboots. I know about
the Active Hours control, but I'm not clear on how I can reboot on my
schedule, which is roughly every 60-90 days, or longer if I feel like
it.


Control Reboots


https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-perm...lling-updates/

Auto reboots won't happen. You will have to click restart manually.
Just like Windows 7. This setting sticks even after major updates, so
far I tested v1709 to v1803 and it didn't change. We'll see what
happpens when the fall update arrives.


Make windows ask to download updates:

GPedit.msc computer configuration administrative templateswindows
componentswindows update configure automatic updates select 2

'Notify before downloading'. Yes this still works or you can change
the the D word to 2 in the registry key. Don't have the name of the
key handy. It is the AU section of the Windows update key.

With v1803 it has changed to 'Notify before download and Auto install'


Sorry that is Enterprise, with Pro the message becomes:

'We will ask you to download, except when updates are required to keep
windows running smoothly, in that case we will automatically download
updates'. So far no automatic download, I think this is only for
critical updates.

No reboot until you want though if you do the Winaero reboot fix.

You get a lot of nay sayers in this group, but this does work with no
problems.

I also find group policy works fine despite what is said here.
--
JT
  #82  
Old September 24th 18, 06:58 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Justin Tyme[_2_]
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 01:09:17 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Justin Tyme wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:06:15 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:32:12 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:10:10 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote:

IIRC, you mentioned the unexpected reboots as one of the big
issues. You no doubt have Windows 7 set to 'Notify you before
downloading updates' and the unexpected reboot thing is totally
unacceptable. I get that. A reboot/update just as you are about
to do a business presentation must be fairly disturbing, to say
the least. You can schedule these things in Windows Update and it
does seem to work effectively. If you still do not trust Windows
10 it can be fixed permanently.
If you're talking business presentations you're using Win10 Pro no
doubt. If not you're going to come across as a clueless amateur. In
that edition it's easy to control updates and reboots.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...e/waas-restart
Please tell me more about controlling updates and reboots. I know about
the Active Hours control, but I'm not clear on how I can reboot on my
schedule, which is roughly every 60-90 days, or longer if I feel like
it.


Control Reboots


https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-perm...lling-updates/

Auto reboots won't happen. You will have to click restart manually.
Just like Windows 7. This setting sticks even after major updates, so
far I tested v1709 to v1803 and it didn't change. We'll see what
happpens when the fall update arrives.


Make windows ask to download updates:

GPedit.msc computer configuration administrative templateswindows
componentswindows update configure automatic updates select 2

'Notify before downloading'. Yes this still works or you can change
the the D word to 2 in the registry key. Don't have the name of the
key handy. It is the AU section of the Windows update key.

With v1803 it has changed to 'Notify before download and Auto install'
but it will not reboot unless you want it to. You also have to
manually click Download, if you don't it will message in the corner of
your screen. 'Updates are ready to download'. You can ignore it if you
like but every day or two the message will appear in the corner of the
screen saying you need updates. Just dismiss the message.

You will at some point click the message and install the updates. I
don't recall Windows 7 being any different but Win7 gave you the
choice for no updates. I have almost forgotton the Windows 7 stuff.

If you do the reboot fix first, which I recommend, then you
essentially have Windows 7 style. In Windows 7 you could set to
notify before downloading updates and reboot when you wanted. This
will be exactly the same.

Didn't mean to get carried away and push Windows 10 on you. I know the
last post was a littly pushy, what can I say, I like Windows 10. I was
kind of waiting for a post from you with your cutting whit

Weekends I stand on the street corners and hand out Windows 10
pamphlets. The rest of the week I knock on doors to see if everyone
has heard the good word

PS: Better yet get, the LTSC when it comes out. Like Windows 7 but
modern and good. Much more control and no BS feature updates all the
time.

Take care,


The comments at the end of your page, tell the story.
The feasibility of the fix changes with time.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-perm...lling-updates/

This is why I don't even need to test this stuff :-(

Paul


Nope you are wrong. Test it, it remains after updates. So do a lot
more things that you thought, according to the last (vm) test I did
We'll see what the next update brings.
--
JT
  #83  
Old September 24th 18, 07:49 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Justin Tyme[_2_]
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 22:58:51 -0700, Justin Tyme
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 01:09:17 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Justin Tyme wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:06:15 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:32:12 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:10:10 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote:

IIRC, you mentioned the unexpected reboots as one of the big
issues. You no doubt have Windows 7 set to 'Notify you before
downloading updates' and the unexpected reboot thing is totally
unacceptable. I get that. A reboot/update just as you are about
to do a business presentation must be fairly disturbing, to say
the least. You can schedule these things in Windows Update and it
does seem to work effectively. If you still do not trust Windows
10 it can be fixed permanently.
If you're talking business presentations you're using Win10 Pro no
doubt. If not you're going to come across as a clueless amateur. In
that edition it's easy to control updates and reboots.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...e/waas-restart
Please tell me more about controlling updates and reboots. I know about
the Active Hours control, but I'm not clear on how I can reboot on my
schedule, which is roughly every 60-90 days, or longer if I feel like
it.

Control Reboots


https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-perm...lling-updates/

Auto reboots won't happen. You will have to click restart manually.
Just like Windows 7. This setting sticks even after major updates, so
far I tested v1709 to v1803 and it didn't change. We'll see what
happpens when the fall update arrives.


Make windows ask to download updates:

GPedit.msc computer configuration administrative templateswindows
componentswindows update configure automatic updates select 2

'Notify before downloading'. Yes this still works or you can change
the the D word to 2 in the registry key. Don't have the name of the
key handy. It is the AU section of the Windows update key.

With v1803 it has changed to 'Notify before download and Auto install'
but it will not reboot unless you want it to. You also have to
manually click Download, if you don't it will message in the corner of
your screen. 'Updates are ready to download'. You can ignore it if you
like but every day or two the message will appear in the corner of the
screen saying you need updates. Just dismiss the message.

You will at some point click the message and install the updates. I
don't recall Windows 7 being any different but Win7 gave you the
choice for no updates. I have almost forgotton the Windows 7 stuff.

If you do the reboot fix first, which I recommend, then you
essentially have Windows 7 style. In Windows 7 you could set to
notify before downloading updates and reboot when you wanted. This
will be exactly the same.

Didn't mean to get carried away and push Windows 10 on you. I know the
last post was a littly pushy, what can I say, I like Windows 10. I was
kind of waiting for a post from you with your cutting whit

Weekends I stand on the street corners and hand out Windows 10
pamphlets. The rest of the week I knock on doors to see if everyone
has heard the good word

PS: Better yet get, the LTSC when it comes out. Like Windows 7 but
modern and good. Much more control and no BS feature updates all the
time.

Take care,


The comments at the end of your page, tell the story.
The feasibility of the fix changes with time.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-perm...lling-updates/

This is why I don't even need to test this stuff :-(

Paul


Nope you are wrong. Test it, it remains after updates. So do a lot
more things that you thought, according to the last (vm) test I did
We'll see what the next update brings.


This is why I don't even need to test this stuff :-(


This really surprises me. I always thought you were the mad scientist
in the group. How can you make these statements without testing that
the statement is true? Sometimes things that you always thought were
true are not. I think that is the case here.
--
JT
  #84  
Old September 24th 18, 10:57 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

Justin Tyme wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 22:58:51 -0700, Justin Tyme
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 01:09:17 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Justin Tyme wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:06:15 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:32:12 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:10:10 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote:

IIRC, you mentioned the unexpected reboots as one of the big
issues. You no doubt have Windows 7 set to 'Notify you before
downloading updates' and the unexpected reboot thing is totally
unacceptable. I get that. A reboot/update just as you are about
to do a business presentation must be fairly disturbing, to say
the least. You can schedule these things in Windows Update and it
does seem to work effectively. If you still do not trust Windows
10 it can be fixed permanently.
If you're talking business presentations you're using Win10 Pro no
doubt. If not you're going to come across as a clueless amateur. In
that edition it's easy to control updates and reboots.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...e/waas-restart
Please tell me more about controlling updates and reboots. I know about
the Active Hours control, but I'm not clear on how I can reboot on my
schedule, which is roughly every 60-90 days, or longer if I feel like
it.
Control Reboots


https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-perm...lling-updates/

Auto reboots won't happen. You will have to click restart manually.
Just like Windows 7. This setting sticks even after major updates, so
far I tested v1709 to v1803 and it didn't change. We'll see what
happpens when the fall update arrives.


Make windows ask to download updates:

GPedit.msc computer configuration administrative templateswindows
componentswindows update configure automatic updates select 2

'Notify before downloading'. Yes this still works or you can change
the the D word to 2 in the registry key. Don't have the name of the
key handy. It is the AU section of the Windows update key.

With v1803 it has changed to 'Notify before download and Auto install'
but it will not reboot unless you want it to. You also have to
manually click Download, if you don't it will message in the corner of
your screen. 'Updates are ready to download'. You can ignore it if you
like but every day or two the message will appear in the corner of the
screen saying you need updates. Just dismiss the message.

You will at some point click the message and install the updates. I
don't recall Windows 7 being any different but Win7 gave you the
choice for no updates. I have almost forgotton the Windows 7 stuff.

If you do the reboot fix first, which I recommend, then you
essentially have Windows 7 style. In Windows 7 you could set to
notify before downloading updates and reboot when you wanted. This
will be exactly the same.

Didn't mean to get carried away and push Windows 10 on you. I know the
last post was a littly pushy, what can I say, I like Windows 10. I was
kind of waiting for a post from you with your cutting whit

Weekends I stand on the street corners and hand out Windows 10
pamphlets. The rest of the week I knock on doors to see if everyone
has heard the good word

PS: Better yet get, the LTSC when it comes out. Like Windows 7 but
modern and good. Much more control and no BS feature updates all the
time.

Take care,
The comments at the end of your page, tell the story.
The feasibility of the fix changes with time.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-perm...lling-updates/

This is why I don't even need to test this stuff :-(

Paul

Nope you are wrong. Test it, it remains after updates. So do a lot
more things that you thought, according to the last (vm) test I did
We'll see what the next update brings.


This is why I don't even need to test this stuff :-(


This really surprises me. I always thought you were the mad scientist
in the group. How can you make these statements without testing that
the statement is true? Sometimes things that you always thought were
true are not. I think that is the case here.


When I see a comment section on a page like that, and
a commenter there says "it's no longer working", I tend to believe
them.

How do we know that there isn't another mechanism for
rebooting after an update ? We can't "prove" there isn't
a way. Or a way that only applies to a particular update.

Now, the winaero web page has a "recipe" shown that
uses the Win10 GUI. I take it you didn't use that, and
you're using the script from the comment section.
This script.

http://textuploader.com/dsvox

The most powerful part of that script, is the last line.
I didn't read the thing all the way to the bottom the
first time.

schtasks /create /tn "Win10 update auto-reboots disable check"
/tr "c:\tools\disable-win10-update-reboots.bat" /sc onlogon
/rl highest /f nul

That re-applies the fix at every logon. Versus the graphical recipe
which is the subject of the web page, doesn't have that feature.
The script (like USO), uses the Task Scheduler to increase
the effectiveness of the script. C:\tools will be preserved from
one OS revision to the next. The method will work as long as:

1) Schtasks isn't cleaned out by an Upgrade.
2) The tasknames don't change, or the USO design
doesn't change. And we have no assurance as to how
many reboot mechanisms exist. Such mechanisms have to
exist for "emergencies", where Microsoft needs to use
a back door to update the OSes (under exploit conditions),
and the emergency update must be applied immediately.

On the first reboot after an Upgrade, the script will be running,
and will remove the Reboot item.

For the people who might report "it isn't working", we
don't know what isn't working, if we don't know whether
they followed the given GUI recipe, or they read the
comment section and used the script.

Paul
  #85  
Old September 24th 18, 02:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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Posts: 10,449
Default Off-Topic: Good & Bads of Windows 10, How to disable updating

On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:36:44 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

mechanic wrote:

If you're talking business presentations you're using Win10 Pro no
doubt. If not you're going to come across as a clueless amateur. In
that edition it's easy to control updates and reboots.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...e/waas-restart


I've seen lots of businesses use the Home edition as workstations for
their employees and also reps making presentations with the Home
edition. PowerPoint does not demand it run on the Professional edition.

Please tell me more about controlling updates and reboots. I know about
the Active Hours control, but I'm not clear on how I can reboot on my
schedule, which is roughly every 60-90 days, or longer if I feel like
it.


https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down....aspx?id=56880

Found using an online search on "windows 10 pro update template updates"
(I recalled something with policies but having to install a custom
template of registry entries).

For info on how to install a policy template (for those that don't come
with an MSI installer), see:

https://www.google.com/search?q=wind...plat e+policy

I have the Home edition which does not come with the group policy editor
(gpedit.msc) to let me alter policies via a GUI tool. All polices are
registry entries and Microsoft has an Excel file listing them. I'd have
to hunt around to find it again, and I'm not sure custom policies are
included in that spreadsheet.

You might not need to download a policy template to add. According to:

https://www.google.com/search?q=wind...olicy+edit or

the policy is already available.

This assumes you believe Microsoft can be trusted to honor policies
configured to disable the Windows updates. If not, disable the BITS
(Background Intelligent Transfer) and WU (Windows Updates) services
using the service manager (services.msc). When you want to later
perform checks and updates on Windows, reenable those services before
running the Windows update client.

The services manipulation, policy config, and another method using
network metering (don't know if that still works) are also mentioned at:

https://www.easeus.com/todo-backup-r...ly-update.html

Stopping automatic reboots (or even manually reboots) after applying an
update is unwise. This leaves the fileset for the OS or its components
in a mixed state: some old files, some new files, and there can be
incompatibilities between them. The reboot is required to replace the
inuse files so the fileset is in sync. Even if an update doesn't not
itself attempt to or instruct to reboot, I've seen where a reboot fixes
problems with mixed-state filesets after an update.


Thanks. My takeaway is to stop WU and BITS until I'm ready to install
updates and reboot. I'll give it a shot.

  #86  
Old September 24th 18, 05:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Justin Tyme[_2_]
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Posts: 282
Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 05:57:31 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Justin Tyme wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 22:58:51 -0700, Justin Tyme
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 01:09:17 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Justin Tyme wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:06:15 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:32:12 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:10:10 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote:

IIRC, you mentioned the unexpected reboots as one of the big
issues. You no doubt have Windows 7 set to 'Notify you before
downloading updates' and the unexpected reboot thing is totally
unacceptable. I get that. A reboot/update just as you are about
to do a business presentation must be fairly disturbing, to say
the least. You can schedule these things in Windows Update and it
does seem to work effectively. If you still do not trust Windows
10 it can be fixed permanently.
If you're talking business presentations you're using Win10 Pro no
doubt. If not you're going to come across as a clueless amateur. In
that edition it's easy to control updates and reboots.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...e/waas-restart
Please tell me more about controlling updates and reboots. I know about
the Active Hours control, but I'm not clear on how I can reboot on my
schedule, which is roughly every 60-90 days, or longer if I feel like
it.
Control Reboots


https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-perm...lling-updates/

Auto reboots won't happen. You will have to click restart manually.
Just like Windows 7. This setting sticks even after major updates, so
far I tested v1709 to v1803 and it didn't change. We'll see what
happpens when the fall update arrives.


Make windows ask to download updates:

GPedit.msc computer configuration administrative templateswindows
componentswindows update configure automatic updates select 2

'Notify before downloading'. Yes this still works or you can change
the the D word to 2 in the registry key. Don't have the name of the
key handy. It is the AU section of the Windows update key.

With v1803 it has changed to 'Notify before download and Auto install'
but it will not reboot unless you want it to. You also have to
manually click Download, if you don't it will message in the corner of
your screen. 'Updates are ready to download'. You can ignore it if you
like but every day or two the message will appear in the corner of the
screen saying you need updates. Just dismiss the message.

You will at some point click the message and install the updates. I
don't recall Windows 7 being any different but Win7 gave you the
choice for no updates. I have almost forgotton the Windows 7 stuff.

If you do the reboot fix first, which I recommend, then you
essentially have Windows 7 style. In Windows 7 you could set to
notify before downloading updates and reboot when you wanted. This
will be exactly the same.

Didn't mean to get carried away and push Windows 10 on you. I know the
last post was a littly pushy, what can I say, I like Windows 10. I was
kind of waiting for a post from you with your cutting whit

Weekends I stand on the street corners and hand out Windows 10
pamphlets. The rest of the week I knock on doors to see if everyone
has heard the good word

PS: Better yet get, the LTSC when it comes out. Like Windows 7 but
modern and good. Much more control and no BS feature updates all the
time.

Take care,
The comments at the end of your page, tell the story.
The feasibility of the fix changes with time.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-perm...lling-updates/

This is why I don't even need to test this stuff :-(

Paul
Nope you are wrong. Test it, it remains after updates. So do a lot
more things that you thought, according to the last (vm) test I did
We'll see what the next update brings.


This is why I don't even need to test this stuff :-(


This really surprises me. I always thought you were the mad scientist
in the group. How can you make these statements without testing that
the statement is true? Sometimes things that you always thought were
true are not. I think that is the case here.


When I see a comment section on a page like that, and
a commenter there says "it's no longer working", I tend to believe
them.

How do we know that there isn't another mechanism for
rebooting after an update ? We can't "prove" there isn't
a way. Or a way that only applies to a particular update.

Now, the winaero web page has a "recipe" shown that
uses the Win10 GUI. I take it you didn't use that, and
you're using the script from the comment section.
This script.

http://textuploader.com/dsvox

The most powerful part of that script, is the last line.
I didn't read the thing all the way to the bottom the
first time.

schtasks /create /tn "Win10 update auto-reboots disable check"
/tr "c:\tools\disable-win10-update-reboots.bat" /sc onlogon
/rl highest /f nul

That re-applies the fix at every logon. Versus the graphical recipe
which is the subject of the web page, doesn't have that feature.
The script (like USO), uses the Task Scheduler to increase
the effectiveness of the script. C:\tools will be preserved from
one OS revision to the next. The method will work as long as:

1) Schtasks isn't cleaned out by an Upgrade.
2) The tasknames don't change, or the USO design
doesn't change. And we have no assurance as to how
many reboot mechanisms exist. Such mechanisms have to
exist for "emergencies", where Microsoft needs to use
a back door to update the OSes (under exploit conditions),
and the emergency update must be applied immediately.

On the first reboot after an Upgrade, the script will be running,
and will remove the Reboot item.

For the people who might report "it isn't working", we
don't know what isn't working, if we don't know whether
they followed the given GUI recipe, or they read the
comment section and used the script.

Paul


I have not read that it is not working. People have may have had
different problems, who knows? It works perfectly for me on v1803 and
all the previous versions. I already explained that I did the test
from v1709 to v1803 and the changes remained, as did a lot of other
tweaks that you said would be gone. Maybe the fall update will change
this. I have my VM waiting to see what remains after two updates.
Windows 10 does seem to change a bit every release, new policies etc.
So far though, you are wrong about this tweak not remaining after the
update. If you do not test then you don't really know. I did the test
and it worked for me. That is all I have to say on this subject,
until the results from the next update.
--
JT
  #87  
Old September 24th 18, 06:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Justin Tyme[_2_]
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Posts: 282
Default Off-Topic: Good & Bads of Windows 10, How to disable updating

On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:36:44 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

mechanic wrote:

If you're talking business presentations you're using Win10 Pro no
doubt. If not you're going to come across as a clueless amateur. In
that edition it's easy to control updates and reboots.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...e/waas-restart


I've seen lots of businesses use the Home edition as workstations for
their employees and also reps making presentations with the Home
edition. PowerPoint does not demand it run on the Professional edition.

Please tell me more about controlling updates and reboots. I know about
the Active Hours control, but I'm not clear on how I can reboot on my
schedule, which is roughly every 60-90 days, or longer if I feel like
it.


https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down....aspx?id=56880

Found using an online search on "windows 10 pro update template updates"
(I recalled something with policies but having to install a custom
template of registry entries).

For info on how to install a policy template (for those that don't come
with an MSI installer), see:

https://www.google.com/search?q=wind...plat e+policy

I have the Home edition which does not come with the group policy editor
(gpedit.msc) to let me alter policies via a GUI tool. All polices are
registry entries and Microsoft has an Excel file listing them. I'd have
to hunt around to find it again, and I'm not sure custom policies are
included in that spreadsheet.

You might not need to download a policy template to add. According to:

https://www.google.com/search?q=wind...olicy+edit or

the policy is already available.

This assumes you believe Microsoft can be trusted to honor policies
configured to disable the Windows updates. If not, disable the BITS
(Background Intelligent Transfer) and WU (Windows Updates) services
using the service manager (services.msc). When you want to later
perform checks and updates on Windows, reenable those services before
running the Windows update client.

The services manipulation, policy config, and another method using
network metering (don't know if that still works) are also mentioned at:

https://www.easeus.com/todo-backup-r...ly-update.html

Stopping automatic reboots (or even manually reboots) after applying an
update is unwise. This leaves the fileset for the OS or its components
in a mixed state: some old files, some new files, and there can be
incompatibilities between them. The reboot is required to replace the
inuse files so the fileset is in sync. Even if an update doesn't not
itself attempt to or instruct to reboot, I've seen where a reboot fixes
problems with mixed-state filesets after an update.


I completely agree that it is unwise to put off the reboot for an
extended time if you have applied the update, Even though I use the
Winaero reboot fix, I almost always reboot sometime that day, after I
have installed the updates. With it set to 'Notify' though you can go
for quite a while without actually downloading the updates so you are
not sitting with a machine that is updated and needs a reboot. Char
said he goes 60-90 days and this might work for Char. I think 60-90
days is excessive but it is Chars computer and that's how he likes it.
--
JT
  #88  
Old September 24th 18, 07:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Justin Tyme[_2_]
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Posts: 282
Default Off-Topic: Good & Bads of Windows 10, How to disable updating

On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 10:57:12 -0700, Justin Tyme
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:36:44 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

mechanic wrote:

If you're talking business presentations you're using Win10 Pro no
doubt. If not you're going to come across as a clueless amateur. In
that edition it's easy to control updates and reboots.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...e/waas-restart


I've seen lots of businesses use the Home edition as workstations for
their employees and also reps making presentations with the Home
edition. PowerPoint does not demand it run on the Professional edition.

Please tell me more about controlling updates and reboots. I know about
the Active Hours control, but I'm not clear on how I can reboot on my
schedule, which is roughly every 60-90 days, or longer if I feel like
it.


https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down....aspx?id=56880

Found using an online search on "windows 10 pro update template updates"
(I recalled something with policies but having to install a custom
template of registry entries).

For info on how to install a policy template (for those that don't come
with an MSI installer), see:

https://www.google.com/search?q=wind...plat e+policy

I have the Home edition which does not come with the group policy editor
(gpedit.msc) to let me alter policies via a GUI tool. All polices are
registry entries and Microsoft has an Excel file listing them. I'd have
to hunt around to find it again, and I'm not sure custom policies are
included in that spreadsheet.

You might not need to download a policy template to add. According to:

https://www.google.com/search?q=wind...olicy+edit or

the policy is already available.

This assumes you believe Microsoft can be trusted to honor policies
configured to disable the Windows updates. If not, disable the BITS
(Background Intelligent Transfer) and WU (Windows Updates) services
using the service manager (services.msc). When you want to later
perform checks and updates on Windows, reenable those services before
running the Windows update client.

The services manipulation, policy config, and another method using
network metering (don't know if that still works) are also mentioned at:

https://www.easeus.com/todo-backup-r...ly-update.html

Stopping automatic reboots (or even manually reboots) after applying an
update is unwise. This leaves the fileset for the OS or its components
in a mixed state: some old files, some new files, and there can be
incompatibilities between them. The reboot is required to replace the
inuse files so the fileset is in sync. Even if an update doesn't not
itself attempt to or instruct to reboot, I've seen where a reboot fixes
problems with mixed-state filesets after an update.


I completely agree that it is unwise to put off the reboot for an
extended time if you have applied the update, Even though I use the
Winaero reboot fix, I almost always reboot sometime that day, after I
have installed the updates. With it set to 'Notify' though you can go
for quite a while without actually downloading the updates so you are
not sitting with a machine that is updated and needs a reboot. Char
said he goes 60-90 days and this might work for Char. I think 60-90
days is excessive but it is Chars computer and that's how he likes it.


To clarify what I said, I only use the Winaero fix in my test VMs. The
reboot schedule in my machine running Pro works fine. I don't see how
a person would need more time than the schedule allows. Major updates
can be postponed 365 days and I think 30 days is plenty of time to put
off the other updates. The schedule works for me. I am definitely not
saying to install updates and forget the reboot, that is not good at
all. I agree with everything you have posted about that.

I have said before that I use LTSB on my main computer,
which is set to "Notify' and my experience with LTSB is not much
different than Windows 7. I would actually say it is much better than
Windows 7.
--
JT
  #89  
Old September 25th 18, 04:28 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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Posts: 10,449
Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 05:57:31 -0400, Paul wrote:

Justin Tyme wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 22:58:51 -0700, Justin Tyme
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 01:09:17 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Justin Tyme wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:06:15 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:32:12 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:10:10 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote:

IIRC, you mentioned the unexpected reboots as one of the big
issues. You no doubt have Windows 7 set to 'Notify you before
downloading updates' and the unexpected reboot thing is totally
unacceptable. I get that. A reboot/update just as you are about
to do a business presentation must be fairly disturbing, to say
the least. You can schedule these things in Windows Update and it
does seem to work effectively. If you still do not trust Windows
10 it can be fixed permanently.
If you're talking business presentations you're using Win10 Pro no
doubt. If not you're going to come across as a clueless amateur. In
that edition it's easy to control updates and reboots.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...e/waas-restart
Please tell me more about controlling updates and reboots. I know about
the Active Hours control, but I'm not clear on how I can reboot on my
schedule, which is roughly every 60-90 days, or longer if I feel like
it.
Control Reboots


https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-perm...lling-updates/

Auto reboots won't happen. You will have to click restart manually.
Just like Windows 7. This setting sticks even after major updates, so
far I tested v1709 to v1803 and it didn't change. We'll see what
happpens when the fall update arrives.


Make windows ask to download updates:

GPedit.msc computer configuration administrative templateswindows
componentswindows update configure automatic updates select 2

'Notify before downloading'. Yes this still works or you can change
the the D word to 2 in the registry key. Don't have the name of the
key handy. It is the AU section of the Windows update key.

With v1803 it has changed to 'Notify before download and Auto install'
but it will not reboot unless you want it to. You also have to
manually click Download, if you don't it will message in the corner of
your screen. 'Updates are ready to download'. You can ignore it if you
like but every day or two the message will appear in the corner of the
screen saying you need updates. Just dismiss the message.

You will at some point click the message and install the updates. I
don't recall Windows 7 being any different but Win7 gave you the
choice for no updates. I have almost forgotton the Windows 7 stuff.

If you do the reboot fix first, which I recommend, then you
essentially have Windows 7 style. In Windows 7 you could set to
notify before downloading updates and reboot when you wanted. This
will be exactly the same.

Didn't mean to get carried away and push Windows 10 on you. I know the
last post was a littly pushy, what can I say, I like Windows 10. I was
kind of waiting for a post from you with your cutting whit

Weekends I stand on the street corners and hand out Windows 10
pamphlets. The rest of the week I knock on doors to see if everyone
has heard the good word

PS: Better yet get, the LTSC when it comes out. Like Windows 7 but
modern and good. Much more control and no BS feature updates all the
time.

Take care,
The comments at the end of your page, tell the story.
The feasibility of the fix changes with time.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-perm...lling-updates/

This is why I don't even need to test this stuff :-(

Paul
Nope you are wrong. Test it, it remains after updates. So do a lot
more things that you thought, according to the last (vm) test I did
We'll see what the next update brings.


This is why I don't even need to test this stuff :-(


This really surprises me. I always thought you were the mad scientist
in the group. How can you make these statements without testing that
the statement is true? Sometimes things that you always thought were
true are not. I think that is the case here.


When I see a comment section on a page like that, and
a commenter there says "it's no longer working", I tend to believe
them.

How do we know that there isn't another mechanism for
rebooting after an update ? We can't "prove" there isn't
a way. Or a way that only applies to a particular update.

Now, the winaero web page has a "recipe" shown that
uses the Win10 GUI. I take it you didn't use that, and
you're using the script from the comment section.
This script.

http://textuploader.com/dsvox

The most powerful part of that script, is the last line.
I didn't read the thing all the way to the bottom the
first time.

schtasks /create /tn "Win10 update auto-reboots disable check"
/tr "c:\tools\disable-win10-update-reboots.bat" /sc onlogon
/rl highest /f nul

That re-applies the fix at every logon. Versus the graphical recipe
which is the subject of the web page, doesn't have that feature.
The script (like USO), uses the Task Scheduler to increase
the effectiveness of the script. C:\tools will be preserved from
one OS revision to the next. The method will work as long as:

1) Schtasks isn't cleaned out by an Upgrade.
2) The tasknames don't change, or the USO design
doesn't change. And we have no assurance as to how
many reboot mechanisms exist. Such mechanisms have to
exist for "emergencies", where Microsoft needs to use
a back door to update the OSes (under exploit conditions),
and the emergency update must be applied immediately.

On the first reboot after an Upgrade, the script will be running,
and will remove the Reboot item.

For the people who might report "it isn't working", we
don't know what isn't working, if we don't know whether
they followed the given GUI recipe, or they read the
comment section and used the script.


I'm not getting a warm fuzzy here. I'll stick with Win7 for work and a
mix of 7 and 8 at home, with some 10's as unused VMs.

  #90  
Old September 25th 18, 05:09 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Posts: 11,873
Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

Justin Tyme wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 05:57:31 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Justin Tyme wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 22:58:51 -0700, Justin Tyme
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 01:09:17 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Justin Tyme wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:06:15 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:32:12 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:10:10 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote:

IIRC, you mentioned the unexpected reboots as one of the big
issues. You no doubt have Windows 7 set to 'Notify you before
downloading updates' and the unexpected reboot thing is totally
unacceptable. I get that. A reboot/update just as you are about
to do a business presentation must be fairly disturbing, to say
the least. You can schedule these things in Windows Update and it
does seem to work effectively. If you still do not trust Windows
10 it can be fixed permanently.
If you're talking business presentations you're using Win10 Pro no
doubt. If not you're going to come across as a clueless amateur. In
that edition it's easy to control updates and reboots.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...e/waas-restart
Please tell me more about controlling updates and reboots. I know about
the Active Hours control, but I'm not clear on how I can reboot on my
schedule, which is roughly every 60-90 days, or longer if I feel like
it.
Control Reboots


https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-perm...lling-updates/

Auto reboots won't happen. You will have to click restart manually.
Just like Windows 7. This setting sticks even after major updates, so
far I tested v1709 to v1803 and it didn't change. We'll see what
happpens when the fall update arrives.


Make windows ask to download updates:

GPedit.msc computer configuration administrative templateswindows
componentswindows update configure automatic updates select 2

'Notify before downloading'. Yes this still works or you can change
the the D word to 2 in the registry key. Don't have the name of the
key handy. It is the AU section of the Windows update key.

With v1803 it has changed to 'Notify before download and Auto install'
but it will not reboot unless you want it to. You also have to
manually click Download, if you don't it will message in the corner of
your screen. 'Updates are ready to download'. You can ignore it if you
like but every day or two the message will appear in the corner of the
screen saying you need updates. Just dismiss the message.

You will at some point click the message and install the updates. I
don't recall Windows 7 being any different but Win7 gave you the
choice for no updates. I have almost forgotton the Windows 7 stuff.

If you do the reboot fix first, which I recommend, then you
essentially have Windows 7 style. In Windows 7 you could set to
notify before downloading updates and reboot when you wanted. This
will be exactly the same.

Didn't mean to get carried away and push Windows 10 on you. I know the
last post was a littly pushy, what can I say, I like Windows 10. I was
kind of waiting for a post from you with your cutting whit

Weekends I stand on the street corners and hand out Windows 10
pamphlets. The rest of the week I knock on doors to see if everyone
has heard the good word

PS: Better yet get, the LTSC when it comes out. Like Windows 7 but
modern and good. Much more control and no BS feature updates all the
time.

Take care,
The comments at the end of your page, tell the story.
The feasibility of the fix changes with time.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-perm...lling-updates/

This is why I don't even need to test this stuff :-(

Paul
Nope you are wrong. Test it, it remains after updates. So do a lot
more things that you thought, according to the last (vm) test I did
We'll see what the next update brings.
This is why I don't even need to test this stuff :-(
This really surprises me. I always thought you were the mad scientist
in the group. How can you make these statements without testing that
the statement is true? Sometimes things that you always thought were
true are not. I think that is the case here.

When I see a comment section on a page like that, and
a commenter there says "it's no longer working", I tend to believe
them.

How do we know that there isn't another mechanism for
rebooting after an update ? We can't "prove" there isn't
a way. Or a way that only applies to a particular update.

Now, the winaero web page has a "recipe" shown that
uses the Win10 GUI. I take it you didn't use that, and
you're using the script from the comment section.
This script.

http://textuploader.com/dsvox

The most powerful part of that script, is the last line.
I didn't read the thing all the way to the bottom the
first time.

schtasks /create /tn "Win10 update auto-reboots disable check"
/tr "c:\tools\disable-win10-update-reboots.bat" /sc onlogon
/rl highest /f nul

That re-applies the fix at every logon. Versus the graphical recipe
which is the subject of the web page, doesn't have that feature.
The script (like USO), uses the Task Scheduler to increase
the effectiveness of the script. C:\tools will be preserved from
one OS revision to the next. The method will work as long as:

1) Schtasks isn't cleaned out by an Upgrade.
2) The tasknames don't change, or the USO design
doesn't change. And we have no assurance as to how
many reboot mechanisms exist. Such mechanisms have to
exist for "emergencies", where Microsoft needs to use
a back door to update the OSes (under exploit conditions),
and the emergency update must be applied immediately.

On the first reboot after an Upgrade, the script will be running,
and will remove the Reboot item.

For the people who might report "it isn't working", we
don't know what isn't working, if we don't know whether
they followed the given GUI recipe, or they read the
comment section and used the script.

Paul


I have not read that it is not working. People have may have had
different problems, who knows? It works perfectly for me on v1803 and
all the previous versions. I already explained that I did the test
from v1709 to v1803 and the changes remained, as did a lot of other
tweaks that you said would be gone. Maybe the fall update will change
this. I have my VM waiting to see what remains after two updates.
Windows 10 does seem to change a bit every release, new policies etc.
So far though, you are wrong about this tweak not remaining after the
update. If you do not test then you don't really know. I did the test
and it worked for me. That is all I have to say on this subject,
until the results from the next update.


Did you run this script or not ?
Doing it this way should work a lot better.

http://textuploader.com/dsvox

Paul
 




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