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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On 08/20/2018 03:16 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 20:39:39 -0400, slate_leeper wrote: I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I have searched via Google and found various suggestions or "solutions," none of which have worked. [etc] Maybe you should think more laterally; why not embrace Edge as the current/future standard Windows browser? What alternative is there? I use Fudge and I love it. My default browser is Microsoft Fudge. -- With 900 million Windows 10 on devices satisfaction is a all time high. |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 10:11:42 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote: Here's my personal ranking of browsers, from best to worst: FireFox Maxthon ... All the others that I haven't tried recently enough to have a strong opinion of, so I can't put them in order. ... Chrome IE Edge My list is shorter because I haven't tried the others. Browser - % of my usage Firefox - 99.90 Chrome - 0.09 IE - 0.01 Edge - 0.00 |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 17:22:33 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 10:11:42 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: Here's my personal ranking of browsers, from best to worst: FireFox Maxthon ... All the others that I haven't tried recently enough to have a strong opinion of, so I can't put them in order. ... Chrome IE Edge My list is shorter because I haven't tried the others. Browser - % of my usage Firefox - 99.90 Chrome - 0.09 IE - 0.01 Edge - 0.00 Your list is almost the same as mine. I've tried most of the others, but only slightly. |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 14:18:42 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 13:03:05 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 10:17:26 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:46:57 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote: I never use Edge so I removed it. Winaero has an Edge uninstaller that works well. Get the Edge Uninistaller he https://winaero.com/download.php?view.1835 Winaero also has a Cortana removal tool which works well. I have uninstalled all apps, cortana and edge. Windows 10 is much better without the useless crap I don't use. I don't agree. Like you, I never use Edge or Cortana, but I let them remain. It doesn't hurt to have applications that I don't use stay there. Some day I may want to get to a web site that I can't get to with FireFox, and so on. So you think Edge would work where firefox would not? No, I don't think that at all. What I think is that there's a possibility that I may want to get to a web site where that's true. Just because I haven't run into such a web site doesn't mean that I never will. I would try any other browser first before I use Edge. I would try what I think is most likely to work. It also doesn't do any harm to remove unwanted programs. For application programs that are not part of Windows, yes, I agree. But that might be wrong for a built-in program. These days disk space is of little concern, Right. I remove those programs just like I remove any other program I don 't use or want. Even though there's no advantage to doing so? Your choice of course, but I think that's a foolish choice. Of course, I am free to think your choices are foolish as well. Why do you say there is no advantage to removing the programs I don't like? I think it is a huge advantage to remove bloatware. You remove other programs you don't want/use so why not remove Microsoft bloatware? Just because it comes from Microsoft does not make it some holy software that thou shall not touch. The only advantage in getting rid of an unused program is that you save a little disk space. But if that small amount of disk space is important to you, you have major problems that need a better solution. No, you get rid if an unused, unwanted program because it is unwanted, no need to keep an unwanted program is there? As I said, disk space is not a concern. Since Win 10 first came out I have removed apps, edge and cortana and I have not had one problem that was caused by the removal of those apps. I have also not had the problems that those apps cause. I'm glad you haven't had any problems resulting from removing them. But who knows what the future may bring to those results as Windows gets new updates. You may never have any problems as a result of removing them. I'm not saying you will. My point is simply that there's a risk of having such programs in the future, and doing something that has no benefit is not a good bargain. No benefit and no bargain to you maybe Ken. But that is just you, many other people would argue that point. Do you have a lot of other unused, useless programs installed on your computer? Windows 10 has been out about 2 years or more. I have removed Edge, Cortana and all Apps from day one. Since I have had zero problems in those 2+ years then you can consider my beta test successful. The beta tests the MS puts people thru with Edge (beta) Cortana (beta) and the crappy apps occur every six months. Anyway, the OP asked: How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge? Answer: You remove it. -- JT |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 16:41:42 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 18:05:20 +0100, mechanic wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:46:57 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote: I never use Edge so I removed it. Winaero has an Edge uninstaller that works well. Get the Edge Uninistaller he https://winaero.com/download.php?view.1835 Winaero also has a Cortana removal tool which works well. I have uninstalled all apps, cortana and edge. Windows 10 is much better without the useless crap I don't use. Yes, they all come back after a major update but it only takes a few minutes to remove the bloat. So why bother with Win10 in the first place? Stick in the 20thC. with Win7 or even Vista. I agree. For me and pretty much all of my work colleagues, Win7 is the place to be. Win8 if you must, but avoid 10. I would agree but Windows 10 without the apps. cortana, and edge is really nice. It is much like Windows 7 would be if it was modern. If MS had released Windows 10 LTSB everyone would have loved it. Unfortunately, Windows 10 in its stock form is a constant beta test. New problems every six months. I actually have no problems or issues with Windows 10. I run the LTSB version so there are only security updates. Feature updates are every three years, much like Windows 7. I don't have any problems with the Pro version either but it is heavily customized. I don't think I could go back to Windows 7 now. Everyone should use the OS they like best. We all have different experiences and expectations. -- JT |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On 2018-08-21, Justin Tyme wrote:
I would agree but Windows 10 without the apps. cortana, and edge is really nice. It is much like Windows 7 would be if it was modern. If MS had released Windows 10 LTSB everyone would have loved it. Yes, once you strip away all the crap it's pretty nice to use. (Out of the box it is obnoxious as hell.) Unfortunately Windows 10 is a constantly moving target. In particular it is a nightmare for system administrators on a domain to keep up with all of the group policy and registry settings required to make Windows 10 Pro palatable in a business environment. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
Justin Tyme wrote:
Of course, I am free to think your choices are foolish as well. Why do you say there is no advantage to removing the programs I don't like? I think it is a huge advantage to remove bloatware. You remove other programs you don't want/use so why not remove Microsoft bloatware? Just because it comes from Microsoft does not make it some holy software that thou shall not touch. It's because the OS is upgraded twice a year (for no apparent good reason), that making changes like that are a waste of your time. If you could be confident that removing an App, removed it "forever", I'd be on your side. However, I don't customize Windows 10 *at all* because of its habit of undoing everything I do. If I used Classic Shell for example, there would be no guarantee that twice a year, something would happen to it. Even the ****ing screen blank after 10 minutes - every time the video driver is updated, the OS changes the screen blank from my 2 hour setting, back to 10 minutes. I *hate this*. But, there's not a ****ing thing I can do about it. To add insult to injury (I think you'll like this one), I ran a Microsoft diagnostic (a "Troubleshooter") one day. And I'm looking in the log of the Troubleshooter and I see "We noticed your screen blank is set to 2 hours, so we set it back to 10 minutes". Doesn't that say it all ? Consumer antagonism at its finest. So while it would appear on the surface, the "driver" policy is just some horrible software developer accident -- no Scotty, the troubleshooter tells you what they really think about you as a customer. It's a policy, not an accident. However, the Linux people have them beat, because the Linux screen saver cuts in even faster than ten minutes. Take *that* Microsoft :-/ Every time I install a test distro for some reason, I have to... well, you know. I can hardly see the screen, because it's always going blank. Sometimes I have to hit Enter to wake it up, but in some cases the lock is also engaged and I have to enter a Password. Here's a tip of the hat to all the yoyos in the world, who want to blank *my* screen... :-/// Paul |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 20:26:58 -0400, Paul
wrote: Justin Tyme wrote: Of course, I am free to think your choices are foolish as well. Why do you say there is no advantage to removing the programs I don't like? I think it is a huge advantage to remove bloatware. You remove other programs you don't want/use so why not remove Microsoft bloatware? Just because it comes from Microsoft does not make it some holy software that thou shall not touch. It's because the OS is upgraded twice a year (for no apparent good reason), that making changes like that are a waste of your time. If you could be confident that removing an App, removed it "forever", I'd be on your side. All true. The thing is, it only takes about 15 minutes to remove the apps, cortana etc. and Bob's yer Uncle (or maybe yer Aunt, who knows these days?) so 15 minutes every 6 months is not too bad. I only have to do this with the one computer I have that runs Win10 Pro. The LTSB version doesn't have that crap in the first place. Snip Paul -- JT |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 20:26:58 -0400, Paul wrote:
Justin Tyme wrote: Of course, I am free to think your choices are foolish as well. Why do you say there is no advantage to removing the programs I don't like? I think it is a huge advantage to remove bloatware. You remove other programs you don't want/use so why not remove Microsoft bloatware? Just because it comes from Microsoft does not make it some holy software that thou shall not touch. It's because the OS is upgraded twice a year (for no apparent good reason), that making changes like that are a waste of your time. If you could be confident that removing an App, removed it "forever", I'd be on your side. However, I don't customize Windows 10 *at all* because of its habit of undoing everything I do. If I used Classic Shell for example, there would be no guarantee that twice a year, something would happen to it. Even the ****ing screen blank after 10 minutes - every time the video driver is updated, the OS changes the screen blank from my 2 hour setting, back to 10 minutes. I *hate this*. But, there's not a ****ing thing I can do about it. I wonder if you could get away with adding a line to your startup script, if you have such a thing and if OS updates don't neuter it, to (re)set the screen blank to 10 minutes. I assume the screen blank timeout is in the registry, but I don't know where to look. I checked HKCU/Control Panel/Desktop, which has a toggle for "ScreenSaveActive" but I didn't see a key for the timeout. I also checked Nircmd and Steve Gibson's Wizmo tools. |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 16:41:42 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 18:05:20 +0100, mechanic wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:46:57 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote: I never use Edge so I removed it. Winaero has an Edge uninstaller that works well. Get the Edge Uninistaller he https://winaero.com/download.php?view.1835 Winaero also has a Cortana removal tool which works well. I have uninstalled all apps, cortana and edge. Windows 10 is much better without the useless crap I don't use. Yes, they all come back after a major update but it only takes a few minutes to remove the bloat. So why bother with Win10 in the first place? Stick in the 20thC. with Win7 or even Vista. I agree. For me and pretty much all of my work colleagues, Win7 is the place to be. Win8 if you must, but avoid 10. The problem with that is Windows 7 only has 16 months before support ends. There will be no security updates after Jan 14, 2020. For the businesses that value security there will be no choice but to move to Windows 10. Better to get used to it now rather than wait to end of Win 7 support if you depend on MS for your business needs. Windows 10 isn't bad at all. The Home version sucks but Pro is good. You are a smart guy Char so I doubt you would have any problems with W10. A lot of the complaints that you read here are user error. It is very rare that I have any of the problems I read about in this newsgroup. If you have the right settings Windows 10 runs smooth. In couple of years as hardware dies there will not be a choice if you stick with MS. One day you will be running Win10 and you will wonder what all the fuss was about. -- JT |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 20:26:58 -0400, Paul wrote: Justin Tyme wrote: Of course, I am free to think your choices are foolish as well. Why do you say there is no advantage to removing the programs I don't like? I think it is a huge advantage to remove bloatware. You remove other programs you don't want/use so why not remove Microsoft bloatware? Just because it comes from Microsoft does not make it some holy software that thou shall not touch. It's because the OS is upgraded twice a year (for no apparent good reason), that making changes like that are a waste of your time. If you could be confident that removing an App, removed it "forever", I'd be on your side. However, I don't customize Windows 10 *at all* because of its habit of undoing everything I do. If I used Classic Shell for example, there would be no guarantee that twice a year, something would happen to it. Even the ****ing screen blank after 10 minutes - every time the video driver is updated, the OS changes the screen blank from my 2 hour setting, back to 10 minutes. I *hate this*. But, there's not a ****ing thing I can do about it. I wonder if you could get away with adding a line to your startup script, if you have such a thing and if OS updates don't neuter it, to (re)set the screen blank to 10 minutes. I assume the screen blank timeout is in the registry, but I don't know where to look. I checked HKCU/Control Panel/Desktop, which has a toggle for "ScreenSaveActive" but I didn't see a key for the timeout. I also checked Nircmd and Steve Gibson's Wizmo tools. That's an admission of defeat though. Maybe I could install one of those programs that keeps the OS busy, so it never enters the screen blank state. Movie players are supposed to use some sort of multimedia flag, that prevents screen blanking while a movie plays. By not fixing this, I'm waiting for Microsoft to come to their senses. Hasn't happened yet. Maybe Microsoft could make a big AI project out of it. Recording how many times the user changes the value away from 10 minutes, as a means of determining how frustrated the user is getting. We could harness their "theater of the absurd" approach to user preferences, to our advantage. Paul |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 00:21:34 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:
Unfortunately Windows 10 is a constantly moving target. In particular it is a nightmare for system administrators on a domain to keep up with all of the group policy and registry settings required to make Windows 10 Pro palatable in a business environment. That's what the Enterprise and LTSB versions are for. Normal human users like bells and whistles. |
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"Justin Tyme" wrote
| All true. The thing is, it only takes about 15 minutes to remove the | apps, cortana etc. and Bob's yer Uncle (or maybe yer Aunt, who knows | these days?) so 15 minutes every 6 months is not too bad. | | I only have to do this with the one computer I have that runs Win10 | Pro. The LTSB version doesn't have that crap in the first place. You keep talking about LTSB. Win10 "sucks" but LTSB is good. There's no legal way to get that without an "enterprise" license, which requires paying for a very large number of licenses in one batch, as part of a corporate contract. Then you say Home "sucks" but Pro is good. There's never been a lot of difference between the two, aside from Pro being much more expensive. You can control the Microsoft hacking a bit more with Pro, but that's hardly a selling point. I have both Home and Pro Win7 here. I never think about which is which. And none of them require me to stop MS hacking. You also say most of the problems you see reported are "user error" from people who just don't get how to use it. What I see is mostly questions about "how do I fix x now that update y broke it?". This question is similar: "How do I stop Microsoft software I don't want but which won't stop running?" Your answer is that a 3rd party program can probably do it but you'll need to run it periodically, and hope that MS don't change something that breaks that software. That's not a selling point for Win10. So people are really faced with uncontrolled updates, an uncontrollable system, and spyware. And if they want to work at it they can do as you do: Run 3rd party tweakers regularly to clean up some of the worst problems. Apparently you don't mind the spyware or the unstable dripfeed of updates. And you even prefer that because security updates for 7 will be gone in 2 years if they don't extend them. All of this is still not taking into consideration the fact that anything can happen going forward. It's not your system. They claim the right to manage it and update it as they like. Once they get most people on it, is there any reason to think they won't start charging and/or making it adware? Look at the general pattern in the tech world: People joined Facebook to chat with their friends. Once Zuck got them hooked it became ad- infested spyware that decides which friends' posts you'll see. Similarly with Twitter. Google started out with honest contextual ads along the side. Now their search engine is spyware and they're also controlling many of the ads on pages you visit. Just this past week I've been looking into maps options. I wrote a program to pull in free Google maps, directions and streetview, without having to go to Google with a browser. It was free as long as 1) my software is free and 2) I put a Google logo in my software. But now that Google controls maps, they've announced there's no longer any free version. They jacked up the prices and if I want to get maps I'd have to give them a credit card. I can then get free maps up to a point. But if users of my software go over the limit, or if someone steals my key, then Google would have a right to charge my credit card any amount. And why would I even trust Google not to charge my card dishonestly? They're not honest. The only reason to have my card is so that they can eventually start charging me. Microsoft are already renting Windows with "cloud services" in some scenarios. I see no reason to think Win10 is not a trojan horse. If they're smart they'll do like Zuck, waiting until Win10 is the norm before clamping down. But once it is the norm, why wouldn't they charge? They're not even making a secret of it. They're boasting to anyone who will listen that their business is now devices and services. *Microsoft no longer want to sell you software. Win10 is officially a service.* People pay for services. You *will* pay. |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On 08/20/2018 07:11 PM, Justin Tyme wrote:
[snip] Everyone should use the OS they like best. We all have different experiences and expectations. And why limit it to just one OS? |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On 8/20/2018 8:39 AM, slate_leeper wrote:
I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I have searched via Google and found various suggestions or "solutions," none of which have worked. If you have lots of RAM, don't bother to remove Edge. Just leave it untouched. -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 ไธๅ่ฒธ! ไธ่ฉ้จ! ไธ่ณ*้ข! ไธๆดไบค! ไธๆไบค! ไธๆๅซ! ไธ่ชๆฎบ! ไธๆฑ็ฅ! ่ซ่ๆ ฎ็ถๆด (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa |
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