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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
In article , Mayayana
wrote: The essential function of Windows hasn't changed much in 20 years. Most software from XP will run on later systems. some might, but they won't do what apps designed for win7 or win10 (as well as other systems) can do. Most of what people do on computers doesn't require Win10. most apps require at least win7 because they use functionality not available in earlier systems, so while an older app might run, it's functionally less capable. apps that require win10 will happen (and there are a few already) but at this point, that's rare. that might not matter to *you*, but it matters to a significant number of people. The differences from XP to 10 are mainly cosmetic and hardware support issues. nonsense. |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
In article , Mayayana
wrote: | Then you say Home "sucks" but Pro is good. There's | never been a lot of difference between the two, aside | from Pro being much more expensive. You can control | the Microsoft hacking a bit more with Pro, but that's | hardly a selling point. | | Control. That is a selling point for me. I need everything Pro has to | offer. Which is what? Pro version has gpedit, but that's little more than a Registry front-end for IT dummies. I guess it has disk encryption. I've never been curious about that, so I'm not sure. full disk encryption is a major reason to use pro over home. should your computer be lost or stolen, nobody will be able to paw through your data without cracking the encryption. Microsoft have made two fundamental changes over the years. Those changes have been radical, yet barely visible to the public. With XP they started product activation and began system file lockdown. That tied the OS to a single computer. you can thank those who pirated it for product activation. Look at Adobe for a good example of that. They started out offering rental of Photoshop. Then they made that the only option. Now they're quite pleased with their income from a rental-only product. All the while they explained it would be a better deal for their customers. nope. adobe started out offering a standalone version of photoshop about 30 years ago. about 5 years ago, they added a subscription option, which turned out to be far more successful than they expected, largely because it's a better deal for most users. only the full photoshop is no longer offered as a standalone product. they do offer the consumer version, photoshop elements as standalone. it doesn't do everything the full photoshop can do, but most users aren't professional graphic artists and likely don't need it. |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On 8/22/2018 5:05 PM, Paul wrote:
... Oops. But MSEdge isn't starting. If you do a Cortana search, now a dialog appears asking for permission to install MSEdge from the Microsoft Store. So any search that Cortana cannot resolve locally, could well end up prompting to put Edge back. (Even though the default browser is set to Firefox.) But as a customer, my satisfaction level is at an all time high :-/ Or something. Back then, File Explorer was tightly coupled with Internet Explorer. I don't know about Edge.... -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 不借貸! 不詐騙! 不*錢! 不援交! 不打交! 不打劫! 不自殺! 不求神! 請考慮綜援 (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On 8/22/2018 10:32 AM, Mayayana wrote:
The essential function of Windows hasn't changed much in 20 years. Most software from XP will run on later systems. Most of what people do on computers doesn't require Win10. The differences from XP to 10 are mainly cosmetic and hardware support issues. Oh? How about the REQUIREMENT that apps' coding use relative memory addressing and rely on the system to assign and coordinate memory blocks, implemented in Vista, which then caused a number of non-compliant XP apps to fail? Those requirements persist in current versions of Windows. BTW -- what most people do on computers doesn't require Windows, which is why the dominant market share is held by Android phones. -- best regards, Neil |
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"Neil" wrote
| The essential function of Windows hasn't changed | much in 20 years. Most software from XP will run | on later systems. Most of what people do on computers | doesn't require Win10. The differences from XP to | 10 are mainly cosmetic and hardware support issues. | | Oh? How about the REQUIREMENT that apps' coding use relative memory | addressing and rely on the system to assign and coordinate memory | blocks, implemented in Vista, which then caused a number of | non-compliant XP apps to fail? I don't know what you're referring to. In any case, it's not an essential function. Was that in reference to my comment that most XP software should run on 7? I'm guessing what you're talking about might be Data Execution Prevention (DEP). As I recall that was instituted in XP SP2. It blocked executable code from running out of data memory. Not a big deal, but some software did have to be rewritten at the time. And actually respecting DEP is not "REQUIRED", as you put it. It's important for programmers if they want their software to be dependable, but it can be disabled using the /NoExecute boot option. I doubt there's much software on XP that won't run on Vista/7/8/10. Some needs a fix. For instance, Visual Studio 6 came out with Win98 and requires that a fake file named msjava.dll be put in the system folder before it will install on Win7. But then it runs fine. Visual Studio is the total package from Microsoft for writing software. It doesn't get much more complex than that. All of my own software runs on 98 or XP up to 10. Generally older software will run on newer systems because Microsoft are *very* good about backward compatibility. They don't break things that are officially documented. In other words, if I stick to standard Windows API I'm safe. If I use undocumented methods, hacks, or 3rd-party wrappers from Acme Fly-By-Night then there's no guarantee it will work in the next Windows version. | BTW -- what most people do on computers doesn't | require Windows, which is why the dominant market share is held by | Android phones. | Hardly. What most people do *on phones* can be done on Android. You could theoretically edit photos or write MS Word docs on a phone, but it wouldn't make much sense. Allmost nothing I do can be done with reasonable efficiency or comfort on a phone. Aside from the lack of software there's the glaring problem of Lilliputian ergonomics. Even email doesn't really work. That's why I get emails that say: ------------------------------------ ar yOu going at 5OM? Sent From My iPhone ------------------------------------ I don't see any usefulness in conflating desktops with phones. Some people no longer need a desktop, but that's a different issue. We're just talking about people who use desktop software on desktops/laptops. In that scenario, there's little practical difference between different Windows versions, unless you need a new version for software that's important to you. But that's unlikely to be a Win7 problem for many years to come. Win10 has been out for 3 years and is just now pulling even with 7. Last I heard, 10 had about a 50% share. (So half the public apparently lives in the Dark Ages. Lack of support is only just now happening with XP. The lastest Libre Office and Firefox don't run on XP. A few other things won't run on XP. So far there's nothing I need that won't run on XP. Would my fairly new printer, which supports XP, run on 10? I don't know and I'm glad I don't have to find out. |
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On 8/22/2018 2:27 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Neil" wrote | The essential function of Windows hasn't changed | much in 20 years. Most software from XP will run | on later systems. Most of what people do on computers | doesn't require Win10. The differences from XP to | 10 are mainly cosmetic and hardware support issues. | | Oh? How about the REQUIREMENT that apps' coding use relative memory | addressing and rely on the system to assign and coordinate memory | blocks, implemented in Vista, which then caused a number of | non-compliant XP apps to fail? I don't know what you're referring to. Perhaps the best next step is for you to do some research, since the rest of your comments are completely off-target. -- best regards, Neil |
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"Neil" wrote
| | Oh? How about the REQUIREMENT that apps' coding use relative memory | | addressing and rely on the system to assign and coordinate memory | | blocks, implemented in Vista, which then caused a number of | | non-compliant XP apps to fail? | | I don't know what you're referring to. | | Perhaps the best next step is for you to do some research, since the | rest of your comments are completely off-target. Research.... Your mind? If you don't know, or won't say, what you're talking about then I certainly don't know. If you want to make a point about some significant problem running XP software on 7 I'll listen. Even if you have a limited list I'd be curious to know. But if you want to make a claim you need to be able to back it up with facts and links, not just childish pronouncements that "It's for me to know and for you to find out". |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
Neil wrote:
On 8/22/2018 10:32 AM, Mayayana wrote: The essential function of Windows hasn't changed much in 20 years. Most software from XP will run on later systems. Most of what people do on computers doesn't require Win10. The differences from XP to 10 are mainly cosmetic and hardware support issues. Oh? How about the REQUIREMENT that apps' coding use relative memory addressing and rely on the system to assign and coordinate memory blocks ASLR: Address Space Layout Randomization ? http://blog.morphisec.com/aslr-what-...-what-it-isnt/ https://stackoverflow.com/questions/...-windows-7-x64 "A registry setting is available to forcibly enable or disable ASLR for all executables and libraries and is found at HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management\MoveImages" "The Enhanced Mitigation Experience Toolkit (EMET), downloadable from Microsoft, allows to enable/disable ASLR it on a system or process basis." Paul |
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"Paul" wrote
| ASLR: Address Space Layout Randomization ? | This is fun. Let's guess Neil's mystery bugaboo. But isn't ASLR a bit farfetched? I'm not aware of any software that fails by not being ASLR- aware. Also, he seems to be talking about trying to control memory addressing. I'm not aware of any reasoin anyone would even try to do that. The only notable problem people had going from XP to Vista was file restrictions. But even that was mitigated to a great extent by Microsoft's virtualizing of both the file system and the Registry. They knew a lot of programs wouldn't be compatible, so they decided to trick them. Write to HKLM without permission and it doesn't fail. It just goes to HKCU instead. |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 11:50:31 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 22:23:10 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote: Snip I agree. For me and pretty much all of my work colleagues, Win7 is the place to be. Win8 if you must, but avoid 10. Snip Windows 10 isn't bad at all. Huh? Apparently, we're two blind guys trying to describe an elephant. You've got your arms wrapped around a sturdy leg, so for you it's pretty solid. Meanwhile, I happened to grab the trunk, and to me this elephant is an awful lot like a snake. Lol, let go man, that is not his trunk! Seriously, I see a mouse that you and your colleagues have assumed is an elephant. Not So! The last few versions of Windows 10 have been pretty good but Windows 10 was bad when it first came out, no argument there. I didn't use it much more than you for the first year. It is much more stable now. There exists simple fixes for all the things that bother you with Windows 10. If you tell me what bothers you about Windows 10 then I think I can give you solutions that work. Caveat, not every single little problem though. I am not Paul IIRC, you mentioned the unexpected reboots as one of the big issues. You no doubt have Windows 7 set to 'Notify you before downloading updates' and the unexpected reboot thing is totally unacceptable. I get that. A reboot/update just as you are about to do a business presentation must be fairly disturbing, to say the least. You can schedule these things in Windows Update and it does seem to work effectively. If you still do not trust Windows 10 it can be fixed permanently. You can make Windows 10 update just like Windows 7 update. It is a simple matter to permanently stop automatic reboots after an update. No third party software needed. You can make it so you have to click reboot manually or Windows 10 will 'never' reboot after an update. It is also easy to make it so you will be notified to download and install updates, they won't just happen automatically. The same as Windows 7. These changes will also survive the twice yearly updates. I updated a vm from Win10 v1709 to Win10 v1803 to test and no change after the update. No auto reboot and Notify before downloading updates seem to be permanent changes. I will post a simple method (tomorrow) to permanently fix Windows 10 update reboots, plus, have it notify you before downloading any updates. You can dismiss the update dialog and download the updates at a more convenient time if you wish and reboot when you want. -- JT |
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 08:44:27 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote: "Justin Tyme" wrote | All true. The thing is, it only takes about 15 minutes to remove the | apps, cortana etc. and Bob's yer Uncle (or maybe yer Aunt, who knows | these days?) so 15 minutes every 6 months is not too bad. | | I only have to do this with the one computer I have that runs Win10 | Pro. The LTSB version doesn't have that crap in the first place. You keep talking about LTSB. Win10 "sucks" but LTSB is good. There's no legal way to get that without an "enterprise" license, which requires paying for a very large number of licenses in one batch, as part of a corporate contract. I bought my Windows 10 LTSB license on Ebay. I bought a key that installs on 20 computers for $20. They have increased in price since I bought mine. That was early last year and I now have it on at least a dozen computers, no problem. I don't even know why I bought a key since digital activation is quite easy with the new hack that is out. Some of you will say these keys are stolen or illegal but that is BS. I got to be friends with the Italian guy that was selling the licenses. I asked him about legality etc., he explained to me that firstly Ebay does not allow pirate software to be sold and they do enforce it. It is possible to run into a shady guy but they don't last long on Ebay. He also explained that it is perfectly legal in the EU to sell licenses that have been salvaged from used machines. Microsoft does permit this he says. For obvious reasons he didn't tell me the name of the company that does the salvaging. The grape vine says that a new version called Windows 10 LTSC 2019 is due in late October. Snip -- JT |
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 08:44:27 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote: "Justin Tyme" wrote Snip Then you say Home "sucks" but Pro is good. There's never been a lot of difference between the two, aside from Pro being much more expensive. You can control the Microsoft hacking a bit more with Pro, but that's hardly a selling point. I have both Home and Pro Win7 here. I never think about which is which. And none of them require me to stop MS hacking. Forgot to answer this. Windows 10 Home vs Pro- Home is barebones. There is no gpedit, it can be installed, but even if gpedit is installed to Home some of the gpedit changes have no effect in Windows Home. There are the advertised features of Pro that I use, others may not find any need for those features, the main difference for me is the little things, like a registry key that is in Pro but is useless or missing from Home. I need to change this key. There are other little things that come up also. I don't use Home enough to list all my problems with it but Pro is definitely better for me. You may be fine with Windows 10 Home but I need Pro. Snip -- JT |
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 20:26:58 -0400, Paul
wrote: Justin Tyme wrote: Of course, I am free to think your choices are foolish as well. Why do you say there is no advantage to removing the programs I don't like? I think it is a huge advantage to remove bloatware. You remove other programs you don't want/use so why not remove Microsoft bloatware? Just because it comes from Microsoft does not make it some holy software that thou shall not touch. It's because the OS is upgraded twice a year (for no apparent good reason), that making changes like that are a waste of your time. If you could be confident that removing an App, removed it "forever", I'd be on your side. However, I don't customize Windows 10 *at all* because of its habit of undoing everything I do. If I used Classic Shell for example, there would be no guarantee that twice a year, something would happen to it. Well, that is not exactly true. Not all tweaks disappear. I did an experiment to test this. After tweaking Windows 10 1709 I updated through WU to version 1803. I did this to see what remains of the tweaks. I uninstalled all apps in v1709 (using powershell) and after the update to v1803, only a few came back. Candy Crush, Minecraft, Microsoft News, forgot the other one. These are all right click/uninstall items so they are easy to remove. The store and all the rest of the apps did not return. The only way to get the store back is to change to a new account and the apps return. I tried several methods to reinstall the store but failed. As expected Edge and Cortana came back also. The tweaks that I did to Windows Update are permanent unless one reverses the original steps. I didn't use Winaero Tweaker so I don't know if those tweaks survive but I will check it out the next time I am testing things. Snip Paul -- JT |
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:10:10 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote:
IIRC, you mentioned the unexpected reboots as one of the big issues. You no doubt have Windows 7 set to 'Notify you before downloading updates' and the unexpected reboot thing is totally unacceptable. I get that. A reboot/update just as you are about to do a business presentation must be fairly disturbing, to say the least. You can schedule these things in Windows Update and it does seem to work effectively. If you still do not trust Windows 10 it can be fixed permanently. If you're talking business presentations you're using Win10 Pro no doubt. If not you're going to come across as a clueless amateur. In that edition it's easy to control updates and reboots. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...e/waas-restart |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:32:12 +0100, mechanic
wrote: On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:10:10 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote: IIRC, you mentioned the unexpected reboots as one of the big issues. You no doubt have Windows 7 set to 'Notify you before downloading updates' and the unexpected reboot thing is totally unacceptable. I get that. A reboot/update just as you are about to do a business presentation must be fairly disturbing, to say the least. You can schedule these things in Windows Update and it does seem to work effectively. If you still do not trust Windows 10 it can be fixed permanently. If you're talking business presentations you're using Win10 Pro no doubt. If not you're going to come across as a clueless amateur. In that edition it's easy to control updates and reboots. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...e/waas-restart Please tell me more about controlling updates and reboots. I know about the Active Hours control, but I'm not clear on how I can reboot on my schedule, which is roughly every 60-90 days, or longer if I feel like it. |
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