Where is the "default programs control panel" in W-7?

On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:43:59 -0600, NormanM wrote:

NormanM wrote:

Think again; there is more to the "signature" of a post than just the
posting email address.

Yes, but the only one that is 'confirmable' which is also 'user-supplied', is
the email address. It's the only way an NSP (News Service Provider) can
identify the owner of the email address.

Seriously? Says the guy who posted this message:

Message-ID:

And I do own the domain which is part of that
signature in my posts,

There is no domain in your sig. Even if there was, it does not count.

You are following up to a post where the reply would go to:



You could have used that in your forgery, if you had known; but you no more
have the right to use any part of the 'aosake.net' domain than you have to
use somebody else's ' email address. And, if I wished to press
your forgery with the folks at 'Eternal-September' abuse, I suspect I could
get your account suspended for using it.

so even though I use a posting email address in the
'.invalid' domain, I can still prove forgery if somebody pretends to be me.

lid

How are you going to send an email complaint to the NSP using the above email
address? You can't. It does not exist.

Your Message-ID is wrong, and you left off the Reply-To: email address. You
are, nevertheless, using my nym.

The only actionable "forging" offense is when someone uses your email address
while impersonating you. Otherwise the NSP will ignore the complaint.

I think I'll post as you this time.

I suspect that using my nym without using the supporting signs would count.
Should I notify the Eternal-September abuse department? Hmmm. Reminds me
that I should change my client reporting in my Message-ID.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:39:45 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:

NormanM wrote:

On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:12:40 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:

The way you have it set up now: "Valorie *~" " ....

.... is not something you can claim as your own, therefore no impersonation took
place (technically).

You think? There is no way I can prove that somebody using my '.invalid'
email address is impersonating me? Think again!

Whooooosh!!

I didn't say you couldn't prove that someone else is using "your" .invalid
address. That's easy.

I'm saying there is no such thing as "your" (as in YOU personally) '.invalid'
address. You don't own a domain name ending in .invalid.... do you? If not,
you can not claim Trademark or Copyright, nor can you get someone's account
cancelled for "forgery". Get it now?

Well, by God, there is nothing personally mine in any GD post that I did not
make. So I guess I can't prove a forgery even if you do include "my" email
address!

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:39:45 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:

I didn't say you couldn't prove that someone else is using "your" .invalid
address. That's easy.

I'm saying there is no such thing as "your" (as in YOU personally) '.invalid'
address. You don't own a domain name ending in .invalid.... do you? If not,
you can not claim Trademark or Copyright, nor can you get someone's account
cancelled for "forgery". Get it now?

Concede ...

But I can still demonstrate a "spoof", if not a forgery. But I don't
actually "own" any email address (other than in my own domain), or even
domain. I am allowed the use of an email address by the owner of the service
which provides the email address; but I only rent the domain, as contrasted
with owning it.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

NormanM wrote:

On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:54:09 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:

NormanM wrote:

You think? There is no way I can prove that somebody using my '.invalid'
email address is impersonating me? Think again!

Read it again. I said technically no forgery took place, since no one owns the
non-existent ".invalid" TLD.

Think again; there is more to the "signature" of a post than just the
posting email address.

Assuming you are referring to a data set, and not the actual Usenet term
"signature", as in the part after the delimiter dash, dash, space, return.

And I do own the domain which is part of that
signature in my posts, so even though I use a posting email address in the
'.invalid' domain, I can still prove forgery if somebody pretends to be me.

If you mean this:
Message-ID:

That can also be easily manipulated. And your domain is not in there. I see no
..com, .org, .net, no "dot" anything except .invalid.

The only other header fields of interest that are unique to your "signature" as
you call it a

Organization: Yu-ya
Keywords: TENKODAA
X-Host: kozue.aosake.net

The Message-ID, Organization, Keywords, and X-anything, are easily set on the
newsreader end to display anything you want.

I assume that's you in San Jose, California that owns aosake.net. Again, the
terms of service do not prevent a forger from putting your domain name in an
(x)-field. If you use an email address like in your
"From:" field you will be 100% protected if someone forges you that way.

You could also make an announcement that only messages containing your valid
email address are authentic. If it's a real problem then you can digitally
'sign' your posts with PGP.

On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:43:59 -0600, NormanM wrote:

The only actionable "forging" offense is when someone uses your email address
while impersonating you. Otherwise the NSP will ignore the complaint.

Concede.

I think I'll post as you this time.

Fair enough. But I think I fixed you. This time.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

NormanM wrote:
but I only rent the domain, as contrasted
with owning it.



You OWN the domain for life (provided you continue renewing it whenever
the renewal is due) and nobody can take it away from you unless somebody
can claim that you are in breach of trademark. In majority of cases
this is not a problem.

I can give you a link to UK case law which may or may not apply in your
country but have a go he

http://www.nominet.org.uk/disputes/caselaw/

hth

On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:30:20 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:

If you mean this:
Message-ID:

That can also be easily manipulated. And your domain is not in there. I see no
.com, .org, .net, no "dot" anything except .invalid.

Actually, I had set another newsreader identity to my domain; forgot that
this one wasn't so set.

The only other header fields of interest that are unique to your "signature" as
you call it a

Organization: Yu-ya
Keywords: TENKODAA
X-Host: kozue.aosake.net

The Message-ID, Organization, Keywords, and X-anything, are easily set on the
newsreader end to display anything you want.

Most newsreaders, yes.

I assume that's you in San Jose, California that owns aosake.net. Again, the
terms of service do not prevent a forger from putting your domain name in an
(x)-field. If you use an email address like in your
"From:" field you will be 100% protected if someone forges you that way.

I think I have conceded twice, now. And made a few changes, as well. But I
find it interesting that using my domain without my permission in user
configurable fields, other than "From:", is not prohibited.

You could also make an announcement that only messages containing your valid
email address are authentic. If it's a real problem then you can digitally
'sign' your posts with PGP.

So far, no serious problem. But after reconsidering, I have made a few
changes.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

NormanM wrote:

On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:39:45 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:

I didn't say you couldn't prove that someone else is using "your" .invalid
address. That's easy.

I'm saying there is no such thing as "your" (as in YOU personally) '.invalid'
address. You don't own a domain name ending in .invalid.... do you? If not,
you can not claim Trademark or Copyright, nor can you get someone's account
cancelled for "forgery". Get it now?

Concede ...

But I can still demonstrate a "spoof", if not a forgery. But I don't
actually "own" any email address (other than in my own domain), or even
domain. I am allowed the use of an email address by the owner of the service
which provides the email address; but I only rent the domain, as contrasted
with owning it.

As long as you "have control" of the email address. I shouldn't have used the
term "own", because you don't need to necessarily "own" the domain. If you used
Gmail, Hotmail, Y!mail... it just as good. You control that email address so no
one else is allowed to use it in an attempt to impersonate you. News Providers
will drop a clown doing that in a second.

NormanM wrote:

I assume that's you in San Jose, California that owns aosake.net. Again, the
terms of service do not prevent a forger from putting your domain name in an
(x)-field. If you use an email address like in your
"From:" field you will be 100% protected if someone forges you that way.

I think I have conceded twice, now. And made a few changes, as well.

I see the changes you made, nice job.

But I find it interesting that using my domain without my permission in user
configurable fields, other than "From:", is not prohibited.

You may be able to claim copy-write violations if your domain name is used in a
way that's not considered "fair use". Or if someone is deliberately using it
for fraud or illegal activity.

Simply placing your domain name somewhere in the headers is not against the
rules. It's akin to posting a link.

Check my headers. One may be considered a compliment, the other an insult, but
neither a violation.

On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 00:13:43 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:

I see the changes you made, nice job.

I've left a couple of throw-away socks alone; rarely use them, and no loss
if somebody else tries to claim them.

I've also left things be in a private newsgroup (not fed to the Usenet) as
the owner of that service has a system in place for authentication of posts,
without relying on the email address.

In any case, this has been a real learning experience.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

so what was the answer to the question as all i see is this thread:
On 14/11/2010 18:33, NormanM wrote:
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:43:59 -0600, NormanM wrote:

The only actionable "forging" offense is when someone uses your email address
while impersonating you. Otherwise the NSP will ignore the complaint.

Concede.

I think I'll post as you this time.

Fair enough. But I think I fixed you. This time.