Scanner driver?

I have a CanoScan LIDE 50 scanner, and much to my surprise Windows 7
x64 Home Premium was unable to find a driver. Canon's site says none
is available for Win 7 or 64-bit Vista.

I tried the listed driver for Vista, and it ran without error, in
fact without a message of any kind. But my image program could not
find it in "Select TWAIN source", and in "Devices and Printers" the
scanner is still an "unknown device".

Am I just the victim of an inclined plane in the form of a helix, or
is there some sort of generic scanner driver I might install?

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 20:21:23 -0400, Stan Brown wrote:

I have a CanoScan LIDE 50 scanner, and much to my surprise Windows 7
x64 Home Premium was unable to find a driver. Canon's site says none
is available for Win 7 or 64-bit Vista.

I tried the listed driver for Vista, and it ran without error, in
fact without a message of any kind. But my image program could not
find it in "Select TWAIN source", and in "Devices and Printers" the
scanner is still an "unknown device".

Am I just the victim of an inclined plane in the form of a helix, or
is there some sort of generic scanner driver I might install?

And a related question: any reason not to turn off "Windows Fax and
Scan" for? It's currently checked, but obviously it can't interface
with my scanner. Or can it, and I'm just missing something?

I ask because I have a four-month-old zero-byte file %TEMP%
\FXSAPIDebugLogFile, and Windows won't let me delete it. Googling
found that this is associated with the Windows Fax and Scan feature.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

"Stan Brown" wrote in message
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I have a CanoScan LIDE 50 scanner, and much to my surprise Windows 7
x64 Home Premium was unable to find a driver. Canon's site says none
is available for Win 7 or 64-bit Vista.

I tried the listed driver for Vista, and it ran without error, in
fact without a message of any kind. But my image program could not
find it in "Select TWAIN source", and in "Devices and Printers" the
scanner is still an "unknown device".

Am I just the victim of an inclined plane in the form of a helix, or
is there some sort of generic scanner driver I might install?

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...


Canon, in their wisdom, have decided to offer no support for their older
scanners in the 64-bit environment. I have searched extensively for a
generic 64-bit driver for Canon scanners, or one that will work with a Canon
scanner, but there doesn't appear to be one out there anywhere. There is a
note on Canon;s own web site to this effect. Various forums are full of it,
and there are a lot of very cross people out there. Microsoft have a list
of supported scanners on their site, and depending where you live, in the
USA some of Canon's machines will work, while here in the UK they won't.
Apparently, Microsoft are at a loss over the issue, and are unable offer
support or information, since they cannot get anything out of Canon. It is
Canon's decision, and I guess they are going to lose a large chunk of their
market share through it.

I have a CanoScan 8000F, and there's nothing wrong with it whatsoever, but
am now unable, and never will be able to use it on this computer. But all is
not lost. Second hand laptops are dirt cheap these days, and I have been
offered one running XP just after Xmas (present of a new one for one of
their kids), so I will be able to use that for the scanner and all the other
programs I have that refused to install into Win7.

If anyone knows any different, PLEASE post in this forum so we can all see
it. Thanks.

jim

Stan Brown wrote:
I have a CanoScan LIDE 50 scanner, and much to my surprise Windows 7
x64 Home Premium was unable to find a driver. Canon's site says none
is available for Win 7 or 64-bit Vista.

I tried the listed driver for Vista, and it ran without error, in
fact without a message of any kind. But my image program could not
find it in "Select TWAIN source", and in "Devices and Printers" the
scanner is still an "unknown device".

Am I just the victim of an inclined plane in the form of a helix, or
is there some sort of generic scanner driver I might install?


If you only have the occasional batch of stuff to scan, perhaps
you could boot a Linux LiveCD and scan from there.

Paul

On 10/25/2010 2:23 AM, Paul wrote:
Stan Brown wrote:
I have a CanoScan LIDE 50 scanner, and much to my surprise Windows 7
x64 Home Premium was unable to find a driver. Canon's site says none
is available for Win 7 or 64-bit Vista.

I tried the listed driver for Vista, and it ran without error, in fact
without a message of any kind. But my image program could not find it
in "Select TWAIN source", and in "Devices and Printers" the scanner is
still an "unknown device".

Am I just the victim of an inclined plane in the form of a helix, or
is there some sort of generic scanner driver I might install?

If you only have the occasional batch of stuff to scan, perhaps
you could boot a Linux LiveCD and scan from there.

Paul

You can try ViewScan free! It supposedly supports your scanner.

"If you're using Windows and haven't installed the Canon driver, you can
instead install VueScan's driver by:

Make sure you've installed VueScan and that you've answered 'Yes' about
installing drivers
Click the Start button in the lower left corner
Click 'Computer' or 'My Computer' with the right mouse button and choose
'Properties'
Click the 'Hardware' tab (not needed on Vista or 7) and then click
'Device Manager'
Click the scanner with the right mouse button and choose 'Properties'
Click the 'Driver' tab
Click 'Uninstall'
Reboot the computer
If Windows asks for a driver for the scanner, tell it to install it
automatically or to look in c:\vuescan.

This should cause the driver for the scanner to be loaded properly."

"Chuck" wrote in message ...

On 10/25/2010 2:23 AM, Paul wrote:
Stan Brown wrote:
I have a CanoScan LIDE 50 scanner, and much to my surprise Windows 7
x64 Home Premium was unable to find a driver. Canon's site says none
is available for Win 7 or 64-bit Vista.

I tried the listed driver for Vista, and it ran without error, in fact
without a message of any kind. But my image program could not find it
in "Select TWAIN source", and in "Devices and Printers" the scanner is
still an "unknown device".

Am I just the victim of an inclined plane in the form of a helix, or
is there some sort of generic scanner driver I might install?

If you only have the occasional batch of stuff to scan, perhaps
you could boot a Linux LiveCD and scan from there.

Paul

You can try ViewScan free! It supposedly supports your scanner.

"If you're using Windows and haven't installed the Canon driver, you can
instead install VueScan's driver by:

Make sure you've installed VueScan and that you've answered 'Yes' about
installing drivers
Click the Start button in the lower left corner
Click 'Computer' or 'My Computer' with the right mouse button and choose
'Properties'
Click the 'Hardware' tab (not needed on Vista or 7) and then click
'Device Manager'
Click the scanner with the right mouse button and choose 'Properties'
Click the 'Driver' tab
Click 'Uninstall'
Reboot the computer
If Windows asks for a driver for the scanner, tell it to install it
automatically or to look in c:\vuescan.

This should cause the driver for the scanner to be loaded properly."

=======================

Unfortunately, you have to install Canon's own drivers to make the scanner
work with this program. And since Canon don't supply the necessary drivers
...........................................

jim

On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:05:30 +0100, jbm wrote:

"Chuck" wrote in message ...

On 10/25/2010 2:23 AM, Paul wrote:
Stan Brown wrote:
I have a CanoScan LIDE 50 scanner, and much to my surprise Windows 7
x64 Home Premium was unable to find a driver. Canon's site says none
is available for Win 7 or 64-bit Vista.

I tried the listed driver for Vista, and it ran without error, in fact
without a message of any kind. But my image program could not find it
in "Select TWAIN source", and in "Devices and Printers" the scanner is
still an "unknown device".

Am I just the victim of an inclined plane in the form of a helix, or
is there some sort of generic scanner driver I might install?

If you only have the occasional batch of stuff to scan, perhaps
you could boot a Linux LiveCD and scan from there.

You can try ViewScan free! It supposedly supports your scanner.

Thanks but $40 is kind of pricy. I'd at least like to see a free
alternative, if one exists.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 02:23:09 -0400, Paul wrote:

Stan Brown wrote:
I have a CanoScan LIDE 50 scanner, and much to my surprise Windows 7
x64 Home Premium was unable to find a driver. Canon's site says none
is available for Win 7 or 64-bit Vista.

I tried the listed driver for Vista, and it ran without error, in
fact without a message of any kind. But my image program could not
find it in "Select TWAIN source", and in "Devices and Printers" the
scanner is still an "unknown device".

Am I just the victim of an inclined plane in the form of a helix, or
is there some sort of generic scanner driver I might install?


If you only have the occasional batch of stuff to scan, perhaps
you could boot a Linux LiveCD and scan from there.

Until it's completely dead, I could use my old XP laptop, I guess. I
haven't tried recently, but the last Ubuntu DVD I tried wouldn't boot
on my 64-bit Dell laptop. (Yes, I was using 64-bit Ubuntu.)



--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

Stan Brown wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 02:23:09 -0400, Paul wrote:
Stan Brown wrote:
I have a CanoScan LIDE 50 scanner, and much to my surprise Windows 7
x64 Home Premium was unable to find a driver. Canon's site says none
is available for Win 7 or 64-bit Vista.

I tried the listed driver for Vista, and it ran without error, in
fact without a message of any kind. But my image program could not
find it in "Select TWAIN source", and in "Devices and Printers" the
scanner is still an "unknown device".

Am I just the victim of an inclined plane in the form of a helix, or
is there some sort of generic scanner driver I might install?

If you only have the occasional batch of stuff to scan, perhaps
you could boot a Linux LiveCD and scan from there.

Until it's completely dead, I could use my old XP laptop, I guess. I
haven't tried recently, but the last Ubuntu DVD I tried wouldn't boot
on my 64-bit Dell laptop. (Yes, I was using 64-bit Ubuntu.)


Did you check the BIOS settings ? My laptop has a grand total of
just one setting - "AHCI" versus "IDE" for the SATA interface.
AHCI is good enough for Windows 7, but some distro I've already
tried, spent a good deal of time "spinning its wheels" while poking
with an AHCI driver. Fortunately, it moved on after a wait of
30 seconds or so. Another one got stuck forever on the AHCI stage.

A lot of distros now, use the "quiet" and "splash" options on the
boot line. This prevents watching the text boot sequence for error
messages. Deleting the "quiet", exposes useful diagnostic info
(which for Linux, is a good choice for a default, if they had a clue).
Nobody gets hurt, if a little text appears on the screen, and having
it can only help.

On my Ubuntu CD, I have instructions printed on the jewel box
label, for useful things to do. This is paraphrasing the cryptic
suggestions on the label.

"Press F6 when the small icon appears at the bottom of the screen.

When it asks for language selection, select English etc.

Pressing F6 again, should cause an annoying menu to appear on
the right of the boot command line. Press esc to make that go
away. Press the right-arrow key, to cursor over to the end of the
command line. The cursor should really, already be over on the
right hand side. Pressing the right arrow, should cause the I-beam
cursor to light up, showing you where your input will go.

There will be crap to the left and right of "--". I delete the
"--". If I want to see text, I delete the "quiet" and "splash"
words.

Ubuntu has an option, to load the CD into RAM. This allows the
CD to be ejected after the OS loads. Then, all the software
runs from RAM. To be practical, the computer should have
at least 1.5GB of RAM (to leave some room to run programs).
Add TORAM=yes to the Ubuntu command line. The upper case of those
letters is important. Using a lower-case toram doesn't work.
It takes 3 minutes to load the CD into RAM, during which the
boot sequence will wait for it to complete and won't go further.
Be patient. Once the desktop appears, give the desktop startup
sequence time to complete (perhaps wait until it says "restricted
drivers are available), before attempting to right click on the
CDROM icon, and ejecting the CD. (You can easily learn the right
timing, with a few experiments.)

When your command line edits like adding the TORAM are complete,
press Enter to start the boot sequence. Some other distros use
control-X to start booting. It would be nice if the keyboard
shortcuts, kinda matched between distros, but that's expecting
a lot."

If you're bombing somewhere else, if there is any text on the
screen, knowing what it says might help. You can take a picture
of your computer screen (hi def), then post the picture to
imageshack.us , then provide a link to the stored image file
on the site. For example, this is my HDTune results from a
while back. You can put a good sized picture up there.

http://img829.imageshack.us/i/500gb3...composite.gif/

Paul

said...

If you only have the occasional batch of stuff to scan, perhaps
you could boot a Linux LiveCD and scan from there.

Until it's completely dead, I could use my old XP laptop, I guess. I
haven't tried recently, but the last Ubuntu DVD I tried wouldn't boot
on my 64-bit Dell laptop. (Yes, I was using 64-bit Ubuntu.)

Stan, I not very techie, but I tried to install Linux Mint 64bit in
Virtualbox on my 64 bit Win7 machine, and got the error message that
VT-x/AMD-V needed to be enabled in my BIOS - I guess that's something to
do with the processor - is yours an AMD processor and might this be the
problem?

Failing that, my old scanner (HP 3300) has the same driver problem (no
64bit drivers), but runs fine with 32bit Ubuntu (and, presumably,
64bit). It's a lot of trouble to go to, but you could try installing
32bit Ubuntu in Virtualbox and running your scanner from there - that
way you get round the problems of installing a dual boot system anyway -
you can just run a VM when you need to scan from within Windows.


--
Regards,

Bob

Licentiae, quam stulti libertatem vocabant - Tacitus

Bob Henson wrote in news:MPG.27309cd27bac374a9896c9
@news.eternal-september.org:

said...

If you only have the occasional batch of stuff to scan, perhaps
you could boot a Linux LiveCD and scan from there.

Until it's completely dead, I could use my old XP laptop, I guess. I
haven't tried recently, but the last Ubuntu DVD I tried wouldn't boot
on my 64-bit Dell laptop. (Yes, I was using 64-bit Ubuntu.)

Stan, I not very techie, but I tried to install Linux Mint 64bit in
Virtualbox on my 64 bit Win7 machine, and got the error message that
VT-x/AMD-V needed to be enabled in my BIOS - I guess that's something to
do with the processor - is yours an AMD processor and might this be the
problem?

Linux ****ed up your system BIOS.
It's very common for that **** Linux to **** with the BIOS and render your
machine DOA.
Better make certain it didn't burn out your CPU and **** up your monitor by
overdriving it.
I wouldn't touch Linux with a 20 foot pole because Linux sucks.

On 10/26/2010 10:18 AM, linuxsux wrote:
Bob wrote in news:MPG.27309cd27bac374a9896c9
@news.eternal-september.org:

said...

If you only have the occasional batch of stuff to scan, perhaps
you could boot a Linux LiveCD and scan from there.

Until it's completely dead, I could use my old XP laptop, I guess. I
haven't tried recently, but the last Ubuntu DVD I tried wouldn't boot
on my 64-bit Dell laptop. (Yes, I was using 64-bit Ubuntu.)

Stan, I not very techie, but I tried to install Linux Mint 64bit in
Virtualbox on my 64 bit Win7 machine, and got the error message that
VT-x/AMD-V needed to be enabled in my BIOS - I guess that's something to
do with the processor - is yours an AMD processor and might this be the
problem?

Linux ****ed up your system BIOS.
It's very common for that **** Linux to **** with the BIOS and render your
machine DOA.
Better make certain it didn't burn out your CPU and **** up your monitor by
overdriving it.
I wouldn't touch Linux with a 20 foot pole because Linux sucks.

How long have you been such an outright liar?

--
Alias

said...

Bob Henson wrote in news:MPG.27309cd27bac374a9896c9
@news.eternal-september.org:

said...

If you only have the occasional batch of stuff to scan, perhaps
you could boot a Linux LiveCD and scan from there.

Until it's completely dead, I could use my old XP laptop, I guess. I
haven't tried recently, but the last Ubuntu DVD I tried wouldn't boot
on my 64-bit Dell laptop. (Yes, I was using 64-bit Ubuntu.)

Stan, I not very techie, but I tried to install Linux Mint 64bit in
Virtualbox on my 64 bit Win7 machine, and got the error message that
VT-x/AMD-V needed to be enabled in my BIOS - I guess that's something to
do with the processor - is yours an AMD processor and might this be the
problem?

Linux ****ed up your system BIOS.
It's very common for that **** Linux to **** with the BIOS and render your
machine DOA.
Better make certain it didn't burn out your CPU and **** up your monitor by
overdriving it.
I wouldn't touch Linux with a 20 foot pole because Linux sucks.

If you are going to display your ignorance, I wouldn't do it in such an
assertive manner - it just makes you look a bigger prat than you
indubitably are. I'm sorry about the long words - but you can look them
up, or ask your psychotherapist. Similarly, my tag line may tax you
somewhat, but Google it and you will find that it applies to you quite
precisely. You do now have the distinction of being added to my bozo
filter.

--
Regards,

Bob

Licentiae, quam stulti libertatem vocabant - Tacitus

Bob Henson wrote in
:

said...
Linux ****ed up your system BIOS.
It's very common for that **** Linux to **** with the BIOS and render
your machine DOA.
Better make certain it didn't burn out your CPU and **** up your
monitor by overdriving it.
I wouldn't touch Linux with a 20 foot pole because Linux sucks.

If you are going to display your ignorance, I wouldn't do it in such an
assertive manner - it just makes you look a bigger prat than you
indubitably are. I'm sorry about the long words - but you can look them
up, or ask your psychotherapist. Similarly, my tag line may tax you
somewhat, but Google it and you will find that it applies to you quite
precisely. You do now have the distinction of being added to my bozo
filter.

People who brag about their use of "big words" tend to be assholes.
You sound like one of the larger specimens.

I didn't realize Microplanet Gravity had a bozo bin.
It's so 80's and obsolete you know.

Bob Henson wrote:
said...

If you only have the occasional batch of stuff to scan, perhaps
you could boot a Linux LiveCD and scan from there.
Until it's completely dead, I could use my old XP laptop, I guess. I
haven't tried recently, but the last Ubuntu DVD I tried wouldn't boot
on my 64-bit Dell laptop. (Yes, I was using 64-bit Ubuntu.)

Stan, I not very techie, but I tried to install Linux Mint 64bit in
Virtualbox on my 64 bit Win7 machine, and got the error message that
VT-x/AMD-V needed to be enabled in my BIOS - I guess that's something to
do with the processor - is yours an AMD processor and might this be the
problem?

Failing that, my old scanner (HP 3300) has the same driver problem (no
64bit drivers), but runs fine with 32bit Ubuntu (and, presumably,
64bit). It's a lot of trouble to go to, but you could try installing
32bit Ubuntu in Virtualbox and running your scanner from there - that
way you get round the problems of installing a dual boot system anyway -
you can just run a VM when you need to scan from within Windows.



http://download.virtualbox.org/virtu...UserManual.pdf

"10.2 Hardware vs. software virtualization

As opposed to other virtualization software, for many usage scenarios,
VirtualBox does not require hardware virtualization features to be present.
Through sophisticated techniques, VirtualBox virtualizes many guest
operating systems entirely in software. This means that you can run
virtual machines even on older processors which do not support hardware
virtualization.

Even though VirtualBox does not always require hardware virtualization,
enabling it is required in the following scenarios:

* Certain rare guest operating systems like OS/2 make use of very esoteric
processor instructions that are not supported with our software
virtualization. For virtual machines that are configured to contain
such an operating system, hardware virtualization is enabled
automatically.

* VirtualBox’s 64-bit guest support (added with version 2.0) and
multiprocessing (SMP, added with version 3.0) both require hardware
virtualization to be enabled. (This is not much of a limitation since
the vast majority of today’s 64-bit and multicore CPUs ship with
hardware virtualization anyway; the exceptions to this rule are
e.g. older Intel Celeron and AMD Opteron CPUs.)

So the error you got, is because the guest you used was a 64-bit
one, and VirtualBox needs VT-x or Pacifica turned on for that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD-V#A...on_.28AMD-V.29

There is a status page for various guest OS installs here, and the
nature of the user manual, and the status of the OSes here, makes
you wonder exactly how they're going about this emulation.

http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes

In this article, it mentions...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtualbox

"In the proprietary edition (not in the open-source edition),
a USB controller is emulated (both USB 1.1 and USB 2.0) so that
any USB devices attached to the host can be seen in the guest."

so that is the edition you'd want if attempting to run a scanner
on the host system, via a driver in the guest OS.

Looks like fun.

I won't be trying that on the laptop, because it doesn't have
enough horsepower for it. But maybe I'll give it a try on
the desktop.

To see if VT-x is available on Intel, you can use Intel PIU.

http://www.intel.com/support/process.../CS-015823.htm

And for Pacifica, perhaps this utility.

"AMD Virtualization Technology and Microsoft Hyper-V
System Compatibility Check Utility"

http://support.amd.com/us/Pages/dyna...ID=177&lang=us

Paul