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Where is the "default programs control panel" in W-7? to:[email protected]
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:43:59 -0600, NormanM wrote:
NormanM wrote: Think again; there is more to the "signature" of a post than just the posting email address. Yes, but the only one that is 'confirmable' which is also 'user-supplied', is the email address. It's the only way an NSP (News Service Provider) can identify the owner of the email address. Seriously? Says the guy who posted this message: Message-ID: And I do own the domain which is part of that signature in my posts, There is no domain in your sig. Even if there was, it does not count. You are following up to a post where the reply would go to: You could have used that in your forgery, if you had known; but you no more have the right to use any part of the 'aosake.net' domain than you have to use somebody else's ' email address. And, if I wished to press your forgery with the folks at 'Eternal-September' abuse, I suspect I could get your account suspended for using it. so even though I use a posting email address in the '.invalid' domain, I can still prove forgery if somebody pretends to be me. lid How are you going to send an email complaint to the NSP using the above email address? You can't. It does not exist. Your Message-ID is wrong, and you left off the Reply-To: email address. You are, nevertheless, using my nym. The only actionable "forging" offense is when someone uses your email address while impersonating you. Otherwise the NSP will ignore the complaint. I think I'll post as you this time. I suspect that using my nym without using the supporting signs would count. Should I notify the Eternal-September abuse department? Hmmm. Reminds me that I should change my client reporting in my Message-ID. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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Where is the "default programs control panel" in W-7? to:[email protected]
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:39:45 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:
NormanM wrote: On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:12:40 -0600, G. Morgan wrote: The way you have it set up now: "Valorie *~" " .... .... is not something you can claim as your own, therefore no impersonation took place (technically). You think? There is no way I can prove that somebody using my '.invalid' email address is impersonating me? Think again! Whooooosh!! I didn't say you couldn't prove that someone else is using "your" .invalid address. That's easy. I'm saying there is no such thing as "your" (as in YOU personally) '.invalid' address. You don't own a domain name ending in .invalid.... do you? If not, you can not claim Trademark or Copyright, nor can you get someone's account cancelled for "forgery". Get it now? Well, by God, there is nothing personally mine in any GD post that I did not make. So I guess I can't prove a forgery even if you do include "my" email address! -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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Where is the "default programs control panel" in W-7? to:[email protected]
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:39:45 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:
I didn't say you couldn't prove that someone else is using "your" .invalid address. That's easy. I'm saying there is no such thing as "your" (as in YOU personally) '.invalid' address. You don't own a domain name ending in .invalid.... do you? If not, you can not claim Trademark or Copyright, nor can you get someone's account cancelled for "forgery". Get it now? Concede ... But I can still demonstrate a "spoof", if not a forgery. But I don't actually "own" any email address (other than in my own domain), or even domain. I am allowed the use of an email address by the owner of the service which provides the email address; but I only rent the domain, as contrasted with owning it. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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Where is the "default programs control panel" in W-7? to:[email protected]
NormanM wrote:
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:54:09 -0600, G. Morgan wrote: NormanM wrote: You think? There is no way I can prove that somebody using my '.invalid' email address is impersonating me? Think again! Read it again. I said technically no forgery took place, since no one owns the non-existent ".invalid" TLD. Think again; there is more to the "signature" of a post than just the posting email address. Assuming you are referring to a data set, and not the actual Usenet term "signature", as in the part after the delimiter dash, dash, space, return. And I do own the domain which is part of that signature in my posts, so even though I use a posting email address in the '.invalid' domain, I can still prove forgery if somebody pretends to be me. If you mean this: Message-ID: That can also be easily manipulated. And your domain is not in there. I see no ..com, .org, .net, no "dot" anything except .invalid. The only other header fields of interest that are unique to your "signature" as you call it a Organization: Yu-ya Keywords: TENKODAA X-Host: kozue.aosake.net The Message-ID, Organization, Keywords, and X-anything, are easily set on the newsreader end to display anything you want. I assume that's you in San Jose, California that owns aosake.net. Again, the terms of service do not prevent a forger from putting your domain name in an (x)-field. If you use an email address like in your "From:" field you will be 100% protected if someone forges you that way. You could also make an announcement that only messages containing your valid email address are authentic. If it's a real problem then you can digitally 'sign' your posts with PGP. |
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Where is the "default programs control panel" in W-7? to:[email protected]
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:43:59 -0600, NormanM wrote:
The only actionable "forging" offense is when someone uses your email address while impersonating you. Otherwise the NSP will ignore the complaint. Concede. I think I'll post as you this time. Fair enough. But I think I fixed you. This time. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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Where is the "default programs control panel" in W-7? to:[email protected]
NormanM wrote: but I only rent the domain, as contrasted with owning it. You OWN the domain for life (provided you continue renewing it whenever the renewal is due) and nobody can take it away from you unless somebody can claim that you are in breach of trademark. In majority of cases this is not a problem. I can give you a link to UK case law which may or may not apply in your country but have a go he http://www.nominet.org.uk/disputes/caselaw/ hth |
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Where is the "default programs control panel" in W-7? to:[email protected]
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:30:20 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:
If you mean this: Message-ID: That can also be easily manipulated. And your domain is not in there. I see no .com, .org, .net, no "dot" anything except .invalid. Actually, I had set another newsreader identity to my domain; forgot that this one wasn't so set. The only other header fields of interest that are unique to your "signature" as you call it a Organization: Yu-ya Keywords: TENKODAA X-Host: kozue.aosake.net The Message-ID, Organization, Keywords, and X-anything, are easily set on the newsreader end to display anything you want. Most newsreaders, yes. I assume that's you in San Jose, California that owns aosake.net. Again, the terms of service do not prevent a forger from putting your domain name in an (x)-field. If you use an email address like in your "From:" field you will be 100% protected if someone forges you that way. I think I have conceded twice, now. And made a few changes, as well. But I find it interesting that using my domain without my permission in user configurable fields, other than "From:", is not prohibited. You could also make an announcement that only messages containing your valid email address are authentic. If it's a real problem then you can digitally 'sign' your posts with PGP. So far, no serious problem. But after reconsidering, I have made a few changes. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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Where is the "default programs control panel" in W-7? to:[email protected]
NormanM wrote:
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:39:45 -0600, G. Morgan wrote: I didn't say you couldn't prove that someone else is using "your" .invalid address. That's easy. I'm saying there is no such thing as "your" (as in YOU personally) '.invalid' address. You don't own a domain name ending in .invalid.... do you? If not, you can not claim Trademark or Copyright, nor can you get someone's account cancelled for "forgery". Get it now? Concede ... But I can still demonstrate a "spoof", if not a forgery. But I don't actually "own" any email address (other than in my own domain), or even domain. I am allowed the use of an email address by the owner of the service which provides the email address; but I only rent the domain, as contrasted with owning it. As long as you "have control" of the email address. I shouldn't have used the term "own", because you don't need to necessarily "own" the domain. If you used Gmail, Hotmail, Y!mail... it just as good. You control that email address so no one else is allowed to use it in an attempt to impersonate you. News Providers will drop a clown doing that in a second. |
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Where is the "default programs control panel" in W-7? to:[email protected]
NormanM wrote:
I assume that's you in San Jose, California that owns aosake.net. Again, the terms of service do not prevent a forger from putting your domain name in an (x)-field. If you use an email address like in your "From:" field you will be 100% protected if someone forges you that way. I think I have conceded twice, now. And made a few changes, as well. I see the changes you made, nice job. But I find it interesting that using my domain without my permission in user configurable fields, other than "From:", is not prohibited. You may be able to claim copy-write violations if your domain name is used in a way that's not considered "fair use". Or if someone is deliberately using it for fraud or illegal activity. Simply placing your domain name somewhere in the headers is not against the rules. It's akin to posting a link. Check my headers. One may be considered a compliment, the other an insult, but neither a violation. |
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Where is the "default programs control panel" in W-7? to:[email protected]
On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 00:13:43 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:
I see the changes you made, nice job. I've left a couple of throw-away socks alone; rarely use them, and no loss if somebody else tries to claim them. I've also left things be in a private newsgroup (not fed to the Usenet) as the owner of that service has a system in place for authentication of posts, without relying on the email address. In any case, this has been a real learning experience. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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Where is the "default programs control panel" in W-7? to:[email protected]
so what was the answer to the question as all i see is this thread:
On 14/11/2010 18:33, NormanM wrote: On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:43:59 -0600, NormanM wrote: The only actionable "forging" offense is when someone uses your email address while impersonating you. Otherwise the NSP will ignore the complaint. Concede. I think I'll post as you this time. Fair enough. But I think I fixed you. This time. |
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