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Update for Norton Ghost 2003
I know this is off-topic, but there seem to be a lot of posts about
Norton Ghost in this newsgroup and a lot of people here use it. I own a legal copy of Norton Ghost 2003. I have it installed on a PC that contains a lot of very valuable and private data, and for that reason, the PC is not networked in any way, neither Internet nor LAN. I bought Ghost so I could create backup images of the harddrive and store them on an external USB harddrive. There is an update for Ghost 2003 that corrects some problems with using external USB harddrives, but since the PC that I have it installed on is not connected to the Internet and I don't want to connect it to the Internet, I cannot use LiveUpdate to update Ghost. I e-mailed Symantec and asked where I could find a downloadable copy of the update so that I could use a different computer to get the update and was informed that this was not possible. So I have a few questions: 1. Do newer versions of Ghost 2003, like the one that comes bundled with Ghost 9, have the update incorporated into the program? 2. Does anyone know how to "capture" the update as it downloads so that it can be saved as a separate file? 3. Is there anyway to "extract" the update from an updated version of Ghost 2003? 4. Do others feel, as I do, that it is outrageous that Symantec refuses to make an update file available for a program that would not normally need to connect to the Internet? (Even Microsoft provides its updates as downloadable files) Another concern I have is that Symantec, by refusing to provide an update in the form of a file, can force an upgrade any time they want to by making the update unavailable via LiveUpdate. If I then had to reinstall Ghost for some reason, I would no longer be able to use it with an external USB drive because I would no longer have any way to update it. OTOH, if I had a copy of the update in the form of a file, I could continue to use it as long as I found it useful. Marianne |
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Update for Norton Ghost 2003
From: "Marianne B."
Marianne: Replies are inline... | I know this is off-topic, but there seem to be a lot of posts about | Norton Ghost in this newsgroup and a lot of people here use it. | | I own a legal copy of Norton Ghost 2003. I have it installed on | a PC that contains a lot of very valuable and private data, and | for that reason, the PC is not networked in any way, neither | Internet nor LAN. I bought Ghost so I could create backup | images of the harddrive and store them on an external USB | harddrive. | | There is an update for Ghost 2003 that corrects some problems | with using external USB harddrives, but since the PC that I have | it installed on is not connected to the Internet and I don't want to | connect it to the Internet, I cannot use LiveUpdate to update | Ghost. I e-mailed Symantec and asked where I could find a | downloadable copy of the update so that I could use a different | computer to get the update and was informed that this was not | possible. So I have a few questions: | | 1. Do newer versions of Ghost 2003, like the one that comes | bundled with Ghost 9, have the update incorporated into | the program? Chances are high that it includes Ghost 2003.793, the latest version. | 2. Does anyone know how to "capture" the update as it | downloads so that it can be saved as a separate file? For enterprsie situations there is the LiveUpdate Administration Utility that brings selected Symantec product updates to a local server. It allows you to alter the LiveUpdate Hosts to then point a PC LiveUpdate application to a local UNC rather than a FTP or HTTP web site. However, I don't know if it is still used as it hasn't been updated in a lonf time. ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/englis...pdate/updates/ ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/englis...da/liveupdate/ | 3. Is there anyway to "extract" the update from an updated | version of Ghost 2003? One could export the Symantec Registry information into a .REG file and then copy the folders... C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared C:\Program Files\Symantec\Norton Ghost 2003 C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Symantec Then merge the .REG file into the destination PC and paste the copied folder trees on the destination PC. However, I haven't tried it and Symantec File Handles are most likely in use and will block the file copy process so I don't think it will be 100% successful. | 4. Do others feel, as I do, that it is outrageous that Symantec | refuses to make an update file available for a program that | would not normally need to connect to the Internet? | (Even Microsoft provides its updates as downloadable files) I feel that Symantec's overall business practices are outrageous. Symantec Ghost is the /*only*/ Symantec product I swear by and not swear at. And that goes for both the retail Ghost and Enterprise Ghost product lines. | Another concern I have is that Symantec, by refusing to provide | an update in the form of a file, can force an upgrade any time they | want to by making the update unavailable via LiveUpdate. If I | then had to reinstall Ghost for some reason, I would no longer be | able to use it with an external USB drive because I would no | longer have any way to update it. OTOH, if I had a copy of the | update in the form of a file, I could continue to use it as long as | I found it useful. | | Marianne | HTH -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm |
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Update for Norton Ghost 2003
I just installed Ghost 2003 (the version that comes with Ghost 9) and
performed a live update. There was nothing available. So, I can state with some confidence that the included version is the latest. Now I can use Ghost 9 to put my operating system back the way it was prior to my little experiment (-: -- Regards, Richard Urban aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew! "Marianne B." wrote in message ... I know this is off-topic, but there seem to be a lot of posts about Norton Ghost in this newsgroup and a lot of people here use it. I own a legal copy of Norton Ghost 2003. I have it installed on a PC that contains a lot of very valuable and private data, and for that reason, the PC is not networked in any way, neither Internet nor LAN. I bought Ghost so I could create backup images of the harddrive and store them on an external USB harddrive. There is an update for Ghost 2003 that corrects some problems with using external USB harddrives, but since the PC that I have it installed on is not connected to the Internet and I don't want to connect it to the Internet, I cannot use LiveUpdate to update Ghost. I e-mailed Symantec and asked where I could find a downloadable copy of the update so that I could use a different computer to get the update and was informed that this was not possible. So I have a few questions: 1. Do newer versions of Ghost 2003, like the one that comes bundled with Ghost 9, have the update incorporated into the program? 2. Does anyone know how to "capture" the update as it downloads so that it can be saved as a separate file? 3. Is there anyway to "extract" the update from an updated version of Ghost 2003? 4. Do others feel, as I do, that it is outrageous that Symantec refuses to make an update file available for a program that would not normally need to connect to the Internet? (Even Microsoft provides its updates as downloadable files) Another concern I have is that Symantec, by refusing to provide an update in the form of a file, can force an upgrade any time they want to by making the update unavailable via LiveUpdate. If I then had to reinstall Ghost for some reason, I would no longer be able to use it with an external USB drive because I would no longer have any way to update it. OTOH, if I had a copy of the update in the form of a file, I could continue to use it as long as I found it useful. Marianne |
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Update for Norton Ghost 2003
From: "Richard Urban"
| I just installed Ghost 2003 (the version that comes with Ghost 9) and | performed a live update. There was nothing available. | | So, I can state with some confidence that the included version is the | latest. | | Now I can use Ghost 9 to put my operating system back the way it was prior | to my little experiment (-: | | -- | Regards, | | Richard Urban | | aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) | | If you knew as much as you think you know, | You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew! | Richard: Could you please check and see if that is Ghost 2003.793 or a later version. Norton Ghost -- Help -- About There is a bug in Ghost 2003's Ghost Explorer utility, 2003.775, when used on WinXP SP2 that Symantec REFUSED to resolve. I know this because Ghost Explorer v7.0.0.245 does not have that bug and Symantec could have easily distributed it (or a variation of it) via LiveUpdate. Please execute... "C:\Program Files\Symantec\Norton Ghost 2003\Ghostexp.exe" Help -- About And reply with the version number. TIA -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm |
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Update for Norton Ghost 2003
Hi David,
It is Ghost 2003.793. No updates are available through live update. -- Regards, Richard Urban aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew! "David H. Lipman" wrote in message ... From: "Richard Urban" | I just installed Ghost 2003 (the version that comes with Ghost 9) and | performed a live update. There was nothing available. | | So, I can state with some confidence that the included version is the | latest. | | Now I can use Ghost 9 to put my operating system back the way it was prior | to my little experiment (-: | | -- | Regards, | | Richard Urban | | aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) | | If you knew as much as you think you know, | You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew! | Richard: Could you please check and see if that is Ghost 2003.793 or a later version. Norton Ghost -- Help -- About There is a bug in Ghost 2003's Ghost Explorer utility, 2003.775, when used on WinXP SP2 that Symantec REFUSED to resolve. I know this because Ghost Explorer v7.0.0.245 does not have that bug and Symantec could have easily distributed it (or a variation of it) via LiveUpdate. Please execute... "C:\Program Files\Symantec\Norton Ghost 2003\Ghostexp.exe" Help -- About And reply with the version number. TIA -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm |
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Update for Norton Ghost 2003
From: "Richard Urban"
| Hi David, | | It is Ghost 2003.793. No updates are available through live update. | | -- | Regards, | | Richard Urban | | aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) | | If you knew as much as you think you know, OK Thanx. Now what about Ghost Explorer, what is its version ? Please execute... "C:\Program Files\Symantec\Norton Ghost 2003\Ghostexp.exe" Help -- About -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm |
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Update for Norton Ghost 2003
"Marianne B." wrote in message ... I know this is off-topic, but there seem to be a lot of posts about Norton Ghost in this newsgroup and a lot of people here use it. I own a legal copy of Norton Ghost 2003. I have it installed on a PC that contains a lot of very valuable and private data, and for that reason, the PC is not networked in any way, neither Internet nor LAN. I bought Ghost so I could create backup images of the harddrive and store them on an external USB harddrive. There is an update for Ghost 2003 that corrects some problems with using external USB harddrives, but since the PC that I have it installed on is not connected to the Internet and I don't want to connect it to the Internet, I cannot use LiveUpdate to update Ghost. I e-mailed Symantec and asked where I could find a downloadable copy of the update so that I could use a different computer to get the update and was informed that this was not possible. So I have a few questions: 1. Do newer versions of Ghost 2003, like the one that comes bundled with Ghost 9, have the update incorporated into the program? 2. Does anyone know how to "capture" the update as it downloads so that it can be saved as a separate file? 3. Is there anyway to "extract" the update from an updated version of Ghost 2003? 4. Do others feel, as I do, that it is outrageous that Symantec refuses to make an update file available for a program that would not normally need to connect to the Internet? (Even Microsoft provides its updates as downloadable files) Another concern I have is that Symantec, by refusing to provide an update in the form of a file, can force an upgrade any time they want to by making the update unavailable via LiveUpdate. If I then had to reinstall Ghost for some reason, I would no longer be able to use it with an external USB drive because I would no longer have any way to update it. OTOH, if I had a copy of the update in the form of a file, I could continue to use it as long as I found it useful. Marianne Marianne: I can feel your pain since it's also been somewhat of an annoyance to me that one could not simply download and install the Ghost updates should one prefer that option. On the other hand it *has* been a simple and relatively quick process to just click on the Ghost LiveUpdate link and the update would automatically be downloaded/installed to the program without any subsequent user intervention. I guess for the overwhelming number of Ghost users who have internet access this update process is rather desirable. But I can understand your situation and dilemma. The latest version of Ghost 2003 is, as David has pointed out, 2003.793. That build is not really new. I can't recall exactly when it was released but it was months & months ago, possibly late summer or early fall 2004. Actually it was the previous build as I recall (I can't recall its release date, but I think it was somewhere around May, 2004) that corrected a problem with using Ghost 2003 with USB external hard drives in a USB 2.0 environment. That build, as I recall, was 2003.780. Working with that build, I can't recall having any problems cloning the contents of an internal HD to a USB 2.0 external hard drive. And a worked with a fairly large variety of USB EHDs. Is it possible that you have the 2003.780 version? And have you run into any problems cloning your internal HD to your USB EHD or vice versa? If worse comes to worse, consider using the Acronis True Image program as your disk imaging program. I recently started to work with that program after having been a long-time Norton Ghost user. I use that program, as I've used the Ghost program, for one exclusive purpose -- to directly clone the contents of one hard drive to another hard drive. I do not make "incremental backups", I do not create disk images on CD-DVD media -- I perform disk-to-disk clones for backup purposes. I mention this because I do not know if your needs are different. Over the years that I've used Ghost, I have found that program simple to use, and more importantly effective in what it does. I've probably used the program to clone a wide variety of drives more than a thousand times. When I use Ghost I perform the cloning process using a Ghost bootable floppy disk or Ghost bootable CD. I prefer using that form of media rather than Ghost's Windows interface. I like the simplicity and portability aspects of such. It's just a personal preference. I was curious about the Acronis program since I read such favorable reviews in the PC magazines and from contributors to this newsgroup. I've only worked with the program a few weeks and I'm quite impressed with it in one particular area - its speed of cloning. It's considerably faster than Ghost as it clones one drive to another (including EHDs), perhaps by as much as 50% faster based upon my initial experience. Cloning speed is an important factor for me. There are a couple of negatives (for me, at least) involving the ATI program (as compared with Ghost) which I won't go into here, but if you're interested I'll expound on them in a subsequent posting. Otherwise, I really don't know any practical workaround for you concerning downloading/installing the Ghost updates. The obvious one, of course, is to "upgrade" to the Ghost 9 version, which, as you may know, includes the Ghost 2003 program on a separate CD. That would give you the latest 2003.793 build. Other than that, I can't think of any other practical workaround. Anna |
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Update for Norton Ghost 2003
Ghost Explorer ver 2003.793
-- Regards, Richard Urban aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew! "David H. Lipman" wrote in message ... From: "Richard Urban" | Hi David, | | It is Ghost 2003.793. No updates are available through live update. | | -- | Regards, | | Richard Urban | | aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) | | If you knew as much as you think you know, OK Thanx. Now what about Ghost Explorer, what is its version ? Please execute... "C:\Program Files\Symantec\Norton Ghost 2003\Ghostexp.exe" Help -- About -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm |
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Update for Norton Ghost 2003
From: "Richard Urban"
| Ghost Explorer ver 2003.793 | | -- | Regards, | | Richard Urban | | aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) | | If you knew as much as you think you know, | You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew! | | "David H. Lipman" wrote in message OK -- Then they released a newer version of Ghost Explorer 2003 in Ghost 9 for Ghost 2003. I can't figure out WHY they have not released Ghost Explorer 2003.793 via LiveUpdate. Even with the latest LiveUpdate I have Ghost Explorer 2003.775. Luckily I have access to Enterprise Ghost and I use Ghost Explorer from the Enterprise version to mitigate the WinXP SP2 bug. Thank you for your assistance with those versions Richard. It was appreciated. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm |
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Update for Norton Ghost 2003 - ATI program Comments?
Anna, would very much appreciate your information as to the negative aspects
of the ATI program. Thanks, Sam. "Anna" wrote in message ... I was curious about the Acronis program since I read such favorable reviews in the PC magazines and from contributors to this newsgroup. I've only worked with the program a few weeks and I'm quite impressed with it in one particular area - its speed of cloning. It's considerably faster than Ghost as it clones one drive to another (including EHDs), perhaps by as much as 50% faster based upon my initial experience. Cloning speed is an important factor for me. There are a couple of negatives (for me, at least) involving the ATI program (as compared with Ghost) which I won't go into here, but if you're interested I'll expound on them in a subsequent posting. Otherwise, I really don't know any practical workaround for you concerning downloading/installing the Ghost updates. The obvious one, of course, is to "upgrade" to the Ghost 9 version, which, as you may know, includes the Ghost 2003 program on a separate CD. That would give you the latest 2003.793 build. Other than that, I can't think of any other practical workaround. Anna |
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Update for Norton Ghost 2003 - ATI program Comments?
"Anna" wrote in message
... I was curious about the Acronis program since I read such favorable reviews in the PC magazines and from contributors to this newsgroup. I've only worked with the program a few weeks and I'm quite impressed with it in one particular area - its speed of cloning. It's considerably faster than Ghost as it clones one drive to another (including EHDs), perhaps by as much as 50% faster based upon my initial experience. Cloning speed is an important factor for me. There are a couple of negatives (for me, at least) involving the ATI program (as compared with Ghost) which I won't go into here, but if you're interested I'll expound on them in a subsequent posting. Otherwise, I really don't know any practical workaround for you concerning downloading/installing the Ghost updates. The obvious one, of course, is to "upgrade" to the Ghost 9 version, which, as you may know, includes the Ghost 2003 program on a separate CD. That would give you the latest 2003.793 build. Other than that, I can't think of any other practical workaround. Anna "Sam" wrote in message ... Anna, would very much appreciate your information as to the negative aspects of the ATI program. Thanks, Sam. (Just so other readers of this thread understand its background -- as I recall, the OP (apparently not the current one, "Sam"), complained about the fact that she was unable to install updates to her Ghost 2003 program because she was not connected to the net (and didn't want to be for security reasons) and therefore was unable to download and install the update file. Symantec requires the use of their LiveUpdate feature in Ghost in order to access their web server which automatically downloads & installs the update. In other words, there's no update file that one can download separately and later install). Sam: As I indicated in my previous post, the "negatives" of which I spoke re the Acronis True Image program apply to the way I use a disk imaging program such as ATI, and may not be of import to you or other users of that program. I use that program as well as any disk imaging program such as Ghost, for one exclusive purpose -- to clone the contents of one hard drive to another hard drive (both internal & external). I do not use those programs to create disk/partition images on CD/DVD media, nor am I interested in incremental backups. I also prefer to use the program (for cloning purposes) using the program's bootable floppy disk and/or a bootable CD, rather than the Windows GUI. It's simply a personal preference of mine. I like the simplicity and portability aspectsof using a floppy disk or CD to perform the cloning process rather than the Windows interface. So... 1. Unlike Symantec's Norton Ghost, you cannot create a single bootable floppy disk in the ATI program to carry out the cloning process, although you can create a single bootable CD to do so. I would like to have this additional flexibility. 2. More importantly, AFAIK you cannot *directly* clone multiple partitions from one HD to another HD using the ATI program (as you can with Ghost). For example, say you want to directly clone the contents of your source disk to a specific partition on your destination disk. I have not found a way to do this with Acronis. And based upon the corresspondence I've had with the developer, this capability is not present in ATI. You can only clone only on a disk-to-disk basis. Using Ghost, it's a simple matter to do so. As I say, the above might not be important to you or others. As I previously stated, I've been quite impressed with the Acronis program in terms of the speed in which it carries out the cloning process. It's considerably faster than Ghost (by a factor of nearly 50% based upon my initial experience). And that's important to me and I'm sure others. Also, using various machines and different drives, I've had no problems with the two dozen or so clones that I've created with the program. I'm a long-time user of the Ghost program. Over the years I've used various versions of that program to clone the contents of more than a thousand drives I would estimate. I've found the program simple to use and effective in what it does. I've often remarked that I wish every program I use (or will use) had Ghost's simplicity of operation and effectiveness in its results. But I have to admit that the cloning speed of that Acronis program is *very* appealing. Hope this helps... Anna |
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Update for Norton Ghost 2003
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:52:18 -0500, "David H. Lipman"
wrote: Don't post binaries to this text newsgroup. I didn't want this stupid text file on my hard drive. |
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Update for Norton Ghost 2003
You can't use the delete key??
When you go to your web sites there is all sorts of crap loaded onto your computer (cookies, temporary internet files etc.). Do you mind that? Of course not! You keep going back there anyway. So, cut the man some slack. He wouldn't post it unless he thought it was pertinent. I do so sometimes also. -- Regards, Richard Urban aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew! "NobodyMan" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:52:18 -0500, "David H. Lipman" wrote: Don't post binaries to this text newsgroup. I didn't want this stupid text file on my hard drive. |
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Update for Norton Ghost 2003
From: "NobodyMan"
| Don't post binaries to this text newsgroup. I didn't want this stupid | text file on my hard drive. Too f'n bad. ! Kilfile me and you will not see future attachments I post on Microsoft's News Server. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm |
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Update for Norton Ghost 2003
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:21:36 -0500, "David H. Lipman"
wrote: From: "NobodyMan" | Don't post binaries to this text newsgroup. I didn't want this stupid | text file on my hard drive. Too f'n bad. ! Kilfile me and you will not see future attachments I post on Microsoft's News Server. You miss the point. Too bad. I wish I could live in your "I'll do whatever I want world." Unfortunately, I was brought up to respect rules. |
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