Event Viewer

When I run the Event Viewer (eventvwr.msc) and go to Event Viewer (Local)
System I noticed I have a long list of errors with a Source of Service
Control Manager, Event 7001, and Property Description of: The Remote
Access Connection Manager service depends on the Telephony service which
failed to start because of the following error: The service cannot be
started, either because it is disabled or because it has no enabled devices
associated with it.

As I have no telephone modem installed (I use cable) how do I stop this
error from appearing in Event Viewer - to me it makes no since to have time
wasted checking on this service/event.

In Services (services.msc) I do have Telephony disabled.

Jerry

With cable you do not need Remote Access Connection Manager service, unless
you are using Internet Connection Sharing or Windows Firewall. Disable it.
However, see the Note: below.

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection. This service is required if you use Windows
Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing *. If things cease to function after
disabling this service, put it to automatic. Note: you may require this
service for some direct cable or DSL providers and connections, depending on
how they implement their logon process. If your dial-up, cable or DSL
internet access no longer functions properly with this service disabled,
place this service into automatic. If you use a hardware gateway or router,
this service is not required.]]
http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...service411.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) *
[[This service was named Internet Connection Firewall/Internet Connection
Sharing * with Service Pack 1a. Used to allow multiple computers on your
network to access the internet via only one account. This service installs
on the "modem" computer. It also provides a software firewall for the
system. If you are using a third party firewall, hardware gateway/router or
Internet Connection Sharing software package, this service is not
required.]]
http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...tio n_Sharing

I have cable, Comcast, and I do not use Windows firewall. I have these two
plus telephony disabled.


--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
When I run the Event Viewer (eventvwr.msc) and go to Event Viewer (Local)
System I noticed I have a long list of errors with a Source of Service
Control Manager, Event 7001, and Property Description of: The Remote
Access Connection Manager service depends on the Telephony service which
failed to start because of the following error: The service cannot be
started, either because it is disabled or because it has no enabled
devices associated with it.

As I have no telephone modem installed (I use cable) how do I stop this
error from appearing in Event Viewer - to me it makes no since to have
time wasted checking on this service/event.

In Services (services.msc) I do have Telephony disabled.

Jerry

Wes, please don't depend on BlackViper!! Various Services have to be set
back to their defaults, otherwise other Services depending those will not
work.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
With cable you do not need Remote Access Connection Manager service,
unless
you are using Internet Connection Sharing or Windows Firewall. Disable
it.
However, see the Note: below.

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection. This service is required if you use
Windows
Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing *. If things cease to function after
disabling this service, put it to automatic. Note: you may require this
service for some direct cable or DSL providers and connections, depending
on
how they implement their logon process. If your dial-up, cable or DSL
internet access no longer functions properly with this service disabled,
place this service into automatic. If you use a hardware gateway or
router,
this service is not required.]]
http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...service411.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) *
[[This service was named Internet Connection Firewall/Internet Connection
Sharing * with Service Pack 1a. Used to allow multiple computers on your
network to access the internet via only one account. This service installs
on the "modem" computer. It also provides a software firewall for the
system. If you are using a third party firewall, hardware gateway/router
or
Internet Connection Sharing software package, this service is not
required.]]
http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...tio n_Sharing

I have cable, Comcast, and I do not use Windows firewall. I have these
two
plus telephony disabled.


--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
When I run the Event Viewer (eventvwr.msc) and go to Event Viewer (Local)
System I noticed I have a long list of errors with a Source of Service
Control Manager, Event 7001, and Property Description of: The Remote
Access Connection Manager service depends on the Telephony service which
failed to start because of the following error: The service cannot be
started, either because it is disabled or because it has no enabled
devices associated with it.

As I have no telephone modem installed (I use cable) how do I stop this
error from appearing in Event Viewer - to me it makes no since to have
time wasted checking on this service/event.

In Services (services.msc) I do have Telephony disabled.

Jerry

Will,

I understand service dependencies.

The OP has no dial-up modem. Apparently his cable connection is fine
without the Remote Access Connection Manager service running. He has the
Telphony service disabled. He wants to get rid of the Remote Access
Connection Manager service error in the Event Viewer. He made no mention of
needing Internet Connection Sharing.

He's getting the error because he has Remote Access Connection Manager
service set to Automatic or Manual and the Telephony service is disabled.

Why does he need the Remote Access Connection Manager service running???

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Definitely required if you are using Internet Connection Sharing.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/remote_a...on_manager.htm

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Disabled, if not using Modem, Virtual Private Networking(VPN) or Internet
Connection Sharing. Manual, if wanting the ability to create such
connections when required.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...qr.html#RASMAN

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection.
*Internet Connection Sharing requires this service and as above, your
Internet connection may need this service running due to some ISP's logon
processes. Test it out with Disabled. If your connection fails, set it to
Automatic.]]
http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm

I disagree with this one##...
Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Leave this on Automatic even if you're running a third-party firewall -
and if you aren't running one, stop what you're doing right now, turn off
the machine and don't start it up again until you have one installed and
running. Yes, it's that important.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/windows_...cs_service.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Set to Disabled, if not sharing your internet connection AND not using the
builtin firewall. Set to Automatic, if using the builtin firewall or
connection sharing.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...l#SHAREDACCESS

Telephony
[[Basically controls all dialup activity and in some cases DSL/Cable
activity.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/telephony.htm

Telephony
[[It provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that control
telephony devices. The telephony service enables applications to act as
clients to telephony equipment such as PBXs, telephones, and modems.

It can also be used to IP based voice connections on the local computer and,
through the LAN. Though it requires that the other computers also is running
this service.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...v.html#TAPISRV

Telephony
[[Provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that control telephony
devices and IP based voice connections on the local computer and, through
the LAN, on servers that are also running the service.
*Dialup Networking depends on this service to be running. If you are on
Cable or DSL, test Disabled. If your connection fails, set to Automatic.]]
http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm


##
[[Q. Should I use both Internet Connection Firewall and a software firewall
from a different company on my Windows XP computer?
A. No. Running multiple software firewalls is unnecessary for typical home
computers, home networking, and small business networking scenarios.
Using two firewalls on the same connection could cause issues with
connectivity to the Internet or other unexpected behavior. One firewall,
whether it is the Windows XP Internet Connection Firewall or different
software firewall, can provide substantial protection for your computer.]]

Frequently Asked Questions About Internet Firewalls
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/firewall.asp

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Will Denny hunted and pecked:
Wes, please don't depend on BlackViper!! Various Services have to be set
back to their defaults, otherwise other Services depending those will not
work.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
With cable you do not need Remote Access Connection Manager service,
unless
you are using Internet Connection Sharing or Windows Firewall. Disable
it.
However, see the Note: below.

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection. This service is required if you use
Windows
Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing *. If things cease to function after
disabling this service, put it to automatic. Note: you may require this
service for some direct cable or DSL providers and connections, depending
on
how they implement their logon process. If your dial-up, cable or DSL
internet access no longer functions properly with this service disabled,
place this service into automatic. If you use a hardware gateway or
router,
this service is not required.]]

http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...service411.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) *
[[This service was named Internet Connection Firewall/Internet Connection
Sharing * with Service Pack 1a. Used to allow multiple computers on your
network to access the internet via only one account. This service
installs on the "modem" computer. It also provides a software firewall
for the system. If you are using a third party firewall, hardware
gateway/router or
Internet Connection Sharing software package, this service is not
required.]]

http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...tio n_Sharing

I have cable, Comcast, and I do not use Windows firewall. I have these
two
plus telephony disabled.


--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
When I run the Event Viewer (eventvwr.msc) and go to Event Viewer
(Local)
System I noticed I have a long list of errors with a Source of Service
Control Manager, Event 7001, and Property Description of: The Remote
Access Connection Manager service depends on the Telephony service which
failed to start because of the following error: The service cannot be
started, either because it is disabled or because it has no enabled
devices associated with it.

As I have no telephone modem installed (I use cable) how do I stop this
error from appearing in Event Viewer - to me it makes no since to have
time wasted checking on this service/event.

In Services (services.msc) I do have Telephony disabled.

Jerry

Hi Wes

I didn't mention ICS - where did you get that from? It's not only the
Dependencies, but also the Services that are Dependent on the Telephony
Service.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Will,

I understand service dependencies.

The OP has no dial-up modem. Apparently his cable connection is fine
without the Remote Access Connection Manager service running. He has the
Telphony service disabled. He wants to get rid of the Remote Access
Connection Manager service error in the Event Viewer. He made no mention
of
needing Internet Connection Sharing.

He's getting the error because he has Remote Access Connection Manager
service set to Automatic or Manual and the Telephony service is disabled.

Why does he need the Remote Access Connection Manager service running???

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Definitely required if you are using Internet Connection Sharing.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/remote_a...on_manager.htm

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Disabled, if not using Modem, Virtual Private Networking(VPN) or
Internet
Connection Sharing. Manual, if wanting the ability to create such
connections when required.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...qr.html#RASMAN

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection.
*Internet Connection Sharing requires this service and as above, your
Internet connection may need this service running due to some ISP's logon
processes. Test it out with Disabled. If your connection fails, set it to
Automatic.]]
http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm

I disagree with this one##...
Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Leave this on Automatic even if you're running a third-party firewall -
and if you aren't running one, stop what you're doing right now, turn off
the machine and don't start it up again until you have one installed and
running. Yes, it's that important.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/windows_...cs_service.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Set to Disabled, if not sharing your internet connection AND not using
the
builtin firewall. Set to Automatic, if using the builtin firewall or
connection sharing.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...l#SHAREDACCESS

Telephony
[[Basically controls all dialup activity and in some cases DSL/Cable
activity.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/telephony.htm

Telephony
[[It provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that control
telephony devices. The telephony service enables applications to act as
clients to telephony equipment such as PBXs, telephones, and modems.

It can also be used to IP based voice connections on the local computer
and,
through the LAN. Though it requires that the other computers also is
running
this service.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...v.html#TAPISRV

Telephony
[[Provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that control
telephony
devices and IP based voice connections on the local computer and, through
the LAN, on servers that are also running the service.
*Dialup Networking depends on this service to be running. If you are on
Cable or DSL, test Disabled. If your connection fails, set to Automatic.]]
http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm


##
[[Q. Should I use both Internet Connection Firewall and a software
firewall
from a different company on my Windows XP computer?
A. No. Running multiple software firewalls is unnecessary for typical home
computers, home networking, and small business networking scenarios.
Using two firewalls on the same connection could cause issues with
connectivity to the Internet or other unexpected behavior. One firewall,
whether it is the Windows XP Internet Connection Firewall or different
software firewall, can provide substantial protection for your computer.]]

Frequently Asked Questions About Internet Firewalls
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/firewall.asp

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Will Denny hunted and pecked:
Wes, please don't depend on BlackViper!! Various Services have to be set
back to their defaults, otherwise other Services depending those will not
work.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
With cable you do not need Remote Access Connection Manager service,
unless
you are using Internet Connection Sharing or Windows Firewall. Disable
it.
However, see the Note: below.

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection. This service is required if you use
Windows
Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing *. If things cease to function
after
disabling this service, put it to automatic. Note: you may require this
service for some direct cable or DSL providers and connections,
depending
on
how they implement their logon process. If your dial-up, cable or DSL
internet access no longer functions properly with this service disabled,
place this service into automatic. If you use a hardware gateway or
router,
this service is not required.]]

http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...service411.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) *
[[This service was named Internet Connection Firewall/Internet
Connection
Sharing * with Service Pack 1a. Used to allow multiple computers on your
network to access the internet via only one account. This service
installs on the "modem" computer. It also provides a software firewall
for the system. If you are using a third party firewall, hardware
gateway/router or
Internet Connection Sharing software package, this service is not
required.]]

http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...tio n_Sharing

I have cable, Comcast, and I do not use Windows firewall. I have these
two
plus telephony disabled.


--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
When I run the Event Viewer (eventvwr.msc) and go to Event Viewer
(Local)
System I noticed I have a long list of errors with a Source of Service
Control Manager, Event 7001, and Property Description of: The Remote
Access Connection Manager service depends on the Telephony service
which
failed to start because of the following error: The service cannot be
started, either because it is disabled or because it has no enabled
devices associated with it.

As I have no telephone modem installed (I use cable) how do I stop this
error from appearing in Event Viewer - to me it makes no since to have
time wasted checking on this service/event.

In Services (services.msc) I do have Telephony disabled.

Jerry

Hi Will,

I brought ICS up. It seems to be one of the five reasons for having the
Remote Access Connection Manager service running in the first place.

1. Using a telephone modem.
2. Using Virtual Private Networking (VPN).
3. Using Internet Connection Sharing (ICS).
4. Some ISP's logon processes may need it.
5. Using Windows Firewall.

If none of those five things are needed, then the Remote Access Connection
Manager service doesn't need to run.

Fax service, Remote Access Auto Connection Manager service and Remote Access
Connection Manager service all depend on the Telephony service.

If none of those services are needed for anything, they should be disabled.

If any of them do not have something that can be exploited now, they
probably will in the future.

How many critical updates have we had since XP SP2 came out?

Microsoft Security Bulletin Summaries and Webcasts
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec...n/summary.mspx

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Will Denny hunted and pecked:
Hi Wes

I didn't mention ICS - where did you get that from? It's not only the
Dependencies, but also the Services that are Dependent on the Telephony
Service.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Will,

I understand service dependencies.

The OP has no dial-up modem. Apparently his cable connection is fine
without the Remote Access Connection Manager service running. He has the
Telphony service disabled. He wants to get rid of the Remote Access
Connection Manager service error in the Event Viewer. He made no mention
of
needing Internet Connection Sharing.

He's getting the error because he has Remote Access Connection Manager
service set to Automatic or Manual and the Telephony service is disabled.

Why does he need the Remote Access Connection Manager service running???

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Definitely required if you are using Internet Connection Sharing.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/remote_a...on_manager.htm

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Disabled, if not using Modem, Virtual Private Networking(VPN) or
Internet
Connection Sharing. Manual, if wanting the ability to create such
connections when required.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...qr.html#RASMAN

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection.
*Internet Connection Sharing requires this service and as above, your
Internet connection may need this service running due to some ISP's logon
processes. Test it out with Disabled. If your connection fails, set it to
Automatic.]]
http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm

I disagree with this one##...
Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Leave this on Automatic even if you're running a third-party firewall -
and if you aren't running one, stop what you're doing right now, turn off
the machine and don't start it up again until you have one installed and
running. Yes, it's that important.]]

http://www.theeldergeek.com/windows_...cs_service.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Set to Disabled, if not sharing your internet connection AND not using
the
builtin firewall. Set to Automatic, if using the builtin firewall or
connection sharing.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...l#SHAREDACCESS

Telephony
[[Basically controls all dialup activity and in some cases DSL/Cable
activity.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/telephony.htm

Telephony
[[It provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that control
telephony devices. The telephony service enables applications to act as
clients to telephony equipment such as PBXs, telephones, and modems.

It can also be used to IP based voice connections on the local computer
and,
through the LAN. Though it requires that the other computers also is
running
this service.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...v.html#TAPISRV

Telephony
[[Provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that control
telephony
devices and IP based voice connections on the local computer and, through
the LAN, on servers that are also running the service.
*Dialup Networking depends on this service to be running. If you are on
Cable or DSL, test Disabled. If your connection fails, set to
Automatic.]] http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm


##
[[Q. Should I use both Internet Connection Firewall and a software
firewall
from a different company on my Windows XP computer?
A. No. Running multiple software firewalls is unnecessary for typical
home computers, home networking, and small business networking scenarios.
Using two firewalls on the same connection could cause issues with
connectivity to the Internet or other unexpected behavior. One firewall,
whether it is the Windows XP Internet Connection Firewall or different
software firewall, can provide substantial protection for your
computer.]]

Frequently Asked Questions About Internet Firewalls
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/firewall.asp

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Will Denny hunted and pecked:
Wes, please don't depend on BlackViper!! Various Services have to be
set back to their defaults, otherwise other Services depending those
will not work.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
With cable you do not need Remote Access Connection Manager service,
unless
you are using Internet Connection Sharing or Windows Firewall. Disable
it.
However, see the Note: below.

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection. This service is required if you use
Windows
Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing *. If things cease to function
after
disabling this service, put it to automatic. Note: you may require this
service for some direct cable or DSL providers and connections,
depending
on
how they implement their logon process. If your dial-up, cable or DSL
internet access no longer functions properly with this service
disabled, place this service into automatic. If you use a hardware
gateway or router,
this service is not required.]]


http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...service411.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) *
[[This service was named Internet Connection Firewall/Internet
Connection
Sharing * with Service Pack 1a. Used to allow multiple computers on
your network to access the internet via only one account. This service
installs on the "modem" computer. It also provides a software firewall
for the system. If you are using a third party firewall, hardware
gateway/router or
Internet Connection Sharing software package, this service is not
required.]]


http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...tio n_Sharing

I have cable, Comcast, and I do not use Windows firewall. I have these
two
plus telephony disabled.


--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
When I run the Event Viewer (eventvwr.msc) and go to Event Viewer
(Local)
System I noticed I have a long list of errors with a Source of
Service
Control Manager, Event 7001, and Property Description of: The
Remote Access Connection Manager service depends on the Telephony
service which
failed to start because of the following error: The service cannot be
started, either because it is disabled or because it has no enabled
devices associated with it.

As I have no telephone modem installed (I use cable) how do I stop
this error from appearing in Event Viewer - to me it makes no since
to have time wasted checking on this service/event.

In Services (services.msc) I do have Telephony disabled.

Jerry

Thanks for the answers - I will check them out.

I AM NOT using ICS. I AM NOT using VPN. I have a direct connection to the
web via my router and a cable modem. I have NO telephone modem installed, as
mentioned earlier.

Jerry
"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Hi Will,

I brought ICS up. It seems to be one of the five reasons for having the
Remote Access Connection Manager service running in the first place.

1. Using a telephone modem.
2. Using Virtual Private Networking (VPN).
3. Using Internet Connection Sharing (ICS).
4. Some ISP's logon processes may need it.
5. Using Windows Firewall.

If none of those five things are needed, then the Remote Access Connection
Manager service doesn't need to run.

Fax service, Remote Access Auto Connection Manager service and Remote
Access
Connection Manager service all depend on the Telephony service.

If none of those services are needed for anything, they should be
disabled.

If any of them do not have something that can be exploited now, they
probably will in the future.

How many critical updates have we had since XP SP2 came out?

Microsoft Security Bulletin Summaries and Webcasts
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec...n/summary.mspx

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Will Denny hunted and pecked:
Hi Wes

I didn't mention ICS - where did you get that from? It's not only the
Dependencies, but also the Services that are Dependent on the Telephony
Service.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Will,

I understand service dependencies.

The OP has no dial-up modem. Apparently his cable connection is fine
without the Remote Access Connection Manager service running. He has
the
Telphony service disabled. He wants to get rid of the Remote Access
Connection Manager service error in the Event Viewer. He made no
mention
of
needing Internet Connection Sharing.

He's getting the error because he has Remote Access Connection Manager
service set to Automatic or Manual and the Telephony service is
disabled.

Why does he need the Remote Access Connection Manager service running???

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Definitely required if you are using Internet Connection Sharing.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/remote_a...on_manager.htm

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Disabled, if not using Modem, Virtual Private Networking(VPN) or
Internet
Connection Sharing. Manual, if wanting the ability to create such
connections when required.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...qr.html#RASMAN

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection.
*Internet Connection Sharing requires this service and as above, your
Internet connection may need this service running due to some ISP's
logon
processes. Test it out with Disabled. If your connection fails, set it
to
Automatic.]]
http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm

I disagree with this one##...
Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Leave this on Automatic even if you're running a third-party
firewall -
and if you aren't running one, stop what you're doing right now, turn
off
the machine and don't start it up again until you have one installed and
running. Yes, it's that important.]]

http://www.theeldergeek.com/windows_...cs_service.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Set to Disabled, if not sharing your internet connection AND not using
the
builtin firewall. Set to Automatic, if using the builtin firewall or
connection sharing.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...l#SHAREDACCESS

Telephony
[[Basically controls all dialup activity and in some cases DSL/Cable
activity.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/telephony.htm

Telephony
[[It provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that control
telephony devices. The telephony service enables applications to act as
clients to telephony equipment such as PBXs, telephones, and modems.

It can also be used to IP based voice connections on the local computer
and,
through the LAN. Though it requires that the other computers also is
running
this service.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...v.html#TAPISRV

Telephony
[[Provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that control
telephony
devices and IP based voice connections on the local computer and,
through
the LAN, on servers that are also running the service.
*Dialup Networking depends on this service to be running. If you are on
Cable or DSL, test Disabled. If your connection fails, set to
Automatic.]] http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm


##
[[Q. Should I use both Internet Connection Firewall and a software
firewall
from a different company on my Windows XP computer?
A. No. Running multiple software firewalls is unnecessary for typical
home computers, home networking, and small business networking
scenarios.
Using two firewalls on the same connection could cause issues with
connectivity to the Internet or other unexpected behavior. One firewall,
whether it is the Windows XP Internet Connection Firewall or different
software firewall, can provide substantial protection for your
computer.]]

Frequently Asked Questions About Internet Firewalls
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/firewall.asp

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Will Denny hunted and pecked:
Wes, please don't depend on BlackViper!! Various Services have to be
set back to their defaults, otherwise other Services depending those
will not work.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
With cable you do not need Remote Access Connection Manager service,
unless
you are using Internet Connection Sharing or Windows Firewall.
Disable
it.
However, see the Note: below.

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection. This service is required if you use
Windows
Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing *. If things cease to function
after
disabling this service, put it to automatic. Note: you may require
this
service for some direct cable or DSL providers and connections,
depending
on
how they implement their logon process. If your dial-up, cable or DSL
internet access no longer functions properly with this service
disabled, place this service into automatic. If you use a hardware
gateway or router,
this service is not required.]]


http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...service411.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) *
[[This service was named Internet Connection Firewall/Internet
Connection
Sharing * with Service Pack 1a. Used to allow multiple computers on
your network to access the internet via only one account. This service
installs on the "modem" computer. It also provides a software firewall
for the system. If you are using a third party firewall, hardware
gateway/router or
Internet Connection Sharing software package, this service is not
required.]]


http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...tio n_Sharing

I have cable, Comcast, and I do not use Windows firewall. I have
these
two
plus telephony disabled.


--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
When I run the Event Viewer (eventvwr.msc) and go to Event Viewer
(Local)
System I noticed I have a long list of errors with a Source of
Service
Control Manager, Event 7001, and Property Description of: The
Remote Access Connection Manager service depends on the Telephony
service which
failed to start because of the following error: The service cannot be
started, either because it is disabled or because it has no enabled
devices associated with it.

As I have no telephone modem installed (I use cable) how do I stop
this error from appearing in Event Viewer - to me it makes no since
to have time wasted checking on this service/event.

In Services (services.msc) I do have Telephony disabled.

Jerry

Wesley,

Read the answers and suggestions.

Went and checked Services, found Remote Access Connection Manager to be in
Manual - changed to Disabled.

Also, opened Event Viewer to see listing for today 01 Aug - found nothing;
last Error was for yesterday. Since I had not yet changed anyhting I haven't
a clue as to why, today, there were no errors (as mentioned in my original
message).

Rebooted with the one change in Services and everything is working OK -
browser, e-mail, etc.

To me, if the Telephony Service is disabled there should be a link somewhere
to tell the user to disable all the other Remote ... stuff you mentioned;
assuming also the other stuff you listed is also not required.

Last time I checked the Black Viper site was down but I do have a copy of
his listings for review and I used the book "Hacking Windows XP" by Steve
Sinchak to review unneeded services but it only lists the Remote Procedure
Call - the others you mentioned were not in Steve's book.

Again - thanks. I'll just have to periodically review things to see what
else may happen.

Jerry

"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Hi Will,

I brought ICS up. It seems to be one of the five reasons for having the
Remote Access Connection Manager service running in the first place.

1. Using a telephone modem.
2. Using Virtual Private Networking (VPN).
3. Using Internet Connection Sharing (ICS).
4. Some ISP's logon processes may need it.
5. Using Windows Firewall.

If none of those five things are needed, then the Remote Access Connection
Manager service doesn't need to run.

Fax service, Remote Access Auto Connection Manager service and Remote
Access
Connection Manager service all depend on the Telephony service.

If none of those services are needed for anything, they should be
disabled.

If any of them do not have something that can be exploited now, they
probably will in the future.

How many critical updates have we had since XP SP2 came out?

Microsoft Security Bulletin Summaries and Webcasts
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec...n/summary.mspx

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Will Denny hunted and pecked:
Hi Wes

I didn't mention ICS - where did you get that from? It's not only the
Dependencies, but also the Services that are Dependent on the Telephony
Service.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Will,

I understand service dependencies.

The OP has no dial-up modem. Apparently his cable connection is fine
without the Remote Access Connection Manager service running. He has
the
Telphony service disabled. He wants to get rid of the Remote Access
Connection Manager service error in the Event Viewer. He made no
mention
of
needing Internet Connection Sharing.

He's getting the error because he has Remote Access Connection Manager
service set to Automatic or Manual and the Telephony service is
disabled.

Why does he need the Remote Access Connection Manager service running???

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Definitely required if you are using Internet Connection Sharing.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/remote_a...on_manager.htm

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Disabled, if not using Modem, Virtual Private Networking(VPN) or
Internet
Connection Sharing. Manual, if wanting the ability to create such
connections when required.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...qr.html#RASMAN

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection.
*Internet Connection Sharing requires this service and as above, your
Internet connection may need this service running due to some ISP's
logon
processes. Test it out with Disabled. If your connection fails, set it
to
Automatic.]]
http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm

I disagree with this one##...
Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Leave this on Automatic even if you're running a third-party
firewall -
and if you aren't running one, stop what you're doing right now, turn
off
the machine and don't start it up again until you have one installed and
running. Yes, it's that important.]]

http://www.theeldergeek.com/windows_...cs_service.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Set to Disabled, if not sharing your internet connection AND not using
the
builtin firewall. Set to Automatic, if using the builtin firewall or
connection sharing.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...l#SHAREDACCESS

Telephony
[[Basically controls all dialup activity and in some cases DSL/Cable
activity.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/telephony.htm

Telephony
[[It provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that control
telephony devices. The telephony service enables applications to act as
clients to telephony equipment such as PBXs, telephones, and modems.

It can also be used to IP based voice connections on the local computer
and,
through the LAN. Though it requires that the other computers also is
running
this service.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...v.html#TAPISRV

Telephony
[[Provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that control
telephony
devices and IP based voice connections on the local computer and,
through
the LAN, on servers that are also running the service.
*Dialup Networking depends on this service to be running. If you are on
Cable or DSL, test Disabled. If your connection fails, set to
Automatic.]] http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm


##
[[Q. Should I use both Internet Connection Firewall and a software
firewall
from a different company on my Windows XP computer?
A. No. Running multiple software firewalls is unnecessary for typical
home computers, home networking, and small business networking
scenarios.
Using two firewalls on the same connection could cause issues with
connectivity to the Internet or other unexpected behavior. One firewall,
whether it is the Windows XP Internet Connection Firewall or different
software firewall, can provide substantial protection for your
computer.]]

Frequently Asked Questions About Internet Firewalls
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/firewall.asp

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Will Denny hunted and pecked:
Wes, please don't depend on BlackViper!! Various Services have to be
set back to their defaults, otherwise other Services depending those
will not work.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
With cable you do not need Remote Access Connection Manager service,
unless
you are using Internet Connection Sharing or Windows Firewall.
Disable
it.
However, see the Note: below.

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection. This service is required if you use
Windows
Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing *. If things cease to function
after
disabling this service, put it to automatic. Note: you may require
this
service for some direct cable or DSL providers and connections,
depending
on
how they implement their logon process. If your dial-up, cable or DSL
internet access no longer functions properly with this service
disabled, place this service into automatic. If you use a hardware
gateway or router,
this service is not required.]]


http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...service411.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) *
[[This service was named Internet Connection Firewall/Internet
Connection
Sharing * with Service Pack 1a. Used to allow multiple computers on
your network to access the internet via only one account. This service
installs on the "modem" computer. It also provides a software firewall
for the system. If you are using a third party firewall, hardware
gateway/router or
Internet Connection Sharing software package, this service is not
required.]]


http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...tio n_Sharing

I have cable, Comcast, and I do not use Windows firewall. I have
these
two
plus telephony disabled.


--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
When I run the Event Viewer (eventvwr.msc) and go to Event Viewer
(Local)
System I noticed I have a long list of errors with a Source of
Service
Control Manager, Event 7001, and Property Description of: The
Remote Access Connection Manager service depends on the Telephony
service which
failed to start because of the following error: The service cannot be
started, either because it is disabled or because it has no enabled
devices associated with it.

As I have no telephone modem installed (I use cable) how do I stop
this error from appearing in Event Viewer - to me it makes no since
to have time wasted checking on this service/event.

In Services (services.msc) I do have Telephony disabled.

Jerry

Hi Jerry,

As to which services need to run or not, this can inspire some heated
debates. My opinion is, if you do not need it, do not run it.

As you well know Services can be complicated.

There was probably no error today for Remote Access Connection Manager
because it was in Manual and nothing had tried to start it before you
changed the setting.
----

All services have a Dependencies tab.

This service depends on the following system components.
[[Displays the services that are required by this service to run properly.]]

The following system components depend on this service.
[[Displays the services that need this service to run properly.]]

Open Services, double click on Telephony and click the Dependencies tab.
----

Remote Procedure Call is a *very* important service.

Procedure Call (RPC) Service
[[Supports RPC functionality that is used throughout Windows. If this
service is turned off, Windows will not start.]]
----

There are two locations that have Black Viper's Web Site. Here's one...
http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...lackviper.com/

Nobody has heard anything from Black Viper for quite some time. Or at least
I haven't seen anything posted.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
Wesley,

Read the answers and suggestions.

Went and checked Services, found Remote Access Connection Manager to be in
Manual - changed to Disabled.

Also, opened Event Viewer to see listing for today 01 Aug - found nothing;
last Error was for yesterday. Since I had not yet changed anyhting I
haven't a clue as to why, today, there were no errors (as mentioned in my
original message).

Rebooted with the one change in Services and everything is working OK -
browser, e-mail, etc.

To me, if the Telephony Service is disabled there should be a link
somewhere to tell the user to disable all the other Remote ... stuff you
mentioned; assuming also the other stuff you listed is also not required.

Last time I checked the Black Viper site was down but I do have a copy of
his listings for review and I used the book "Hacking Windows XP" by Steve
Sinchak to review unneeded services but it only lists the Remote Procedure
Call - the others you mentioned were not in Steve's book.

Again - thanks. I'll just have to periodically review things to see what
else may happen.

Jerry

"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Hi Will,

I brought ICS up. It seems to be one of the five reasons for having the
Remote Access Connection Manager service running in the first place.

1. Using a telephone modem.
2. Using Virtual Private Networking (VPN).
3. Using Internet Connection Sharing (ICS).
4. Some ISP's logon processes may need it.
5. Using Windows Firewall.

If none of those five things are needed, then the Remote Access
Connection Manager service doesn't need to run.

Fax service, Remote Access Auto Connection Manager service and Remote
Access
Connection Manager service all depend on the Telephony service.

If none of those services are needed for anything, they should be
disabled.

If any of them do not have something that can be exploited now, they
probably will in the future.

How many critical updates have we had since XP SP2 came out?

Microsoft Security Bulletin Summaries and Webcasts
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec...n/summary.mspx

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Will Denny hunted and pecked:
Hi Wes

I didn't mention ICS - where did you get that from? It's not only the
Dependencies, but also the Services that are Dependent on the Telephony
Service.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Will,

I understand service dependencies.

The OP has no dial-up modem. Apparently his cable connection is fine
without the Remote Access Connection Manager service running. He has
the
Telphony service disabled. He wants to get rid of the Remote Access
Connection Manager service error in the Event Viewer. He made no
mention
of
needing Internet Connection Sharing.

He's getting the error because he has Remote Access Connection Manager
service set to Automatic or Manual and the Telephony service is
disabled.

Why does he need the Remote Access Connection Manager service
running???

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Definitely required if you are using Internet Connection Sharing.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/remote_a...on_manager.htm

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Disabled, if not using Modem, Virtual Private Networking(VPN) or
Internet
Connection Sharing. Manual, if wanting the ability to create such
connections when required.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...qr.html#RASMAN

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection.
*Internet Connection Sharing requires this service and as above, your
Internet connection may need this service running due to some ISP's
logon
processes. Test it out with Disabled. If your connection fails, set it
to
Automatic.]]
http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm

I disagree with this one##...
Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Leave this on Automatic even if you're running a third-party
firewall -
and if you aren't running one, stop what you're doing right now, turn
off
the machine and don't start it up again until you have one installed
and running. Yes, it's that important.]]


http://www.theeldergeek.com/windows_...cs_service.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Set to Disabled, if not sharing your internet connection AND not
using the
builtin firewall. Set to Automatic, if using the builtin firewall or
connection sharing.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...l#SHAREDACCESS

Telephony
[[Basically controls all dialup activity and in some cases DSL/Cable
activity.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/telephony.htm

Telephony
[[It provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that control
telephony devices. The telephony service enables applications to act as
clients to telephony equipment such as PBXs, telephones, and modems.

It can also be used to IP based voice connections on the local computer
and,
through the LAN. Though it requires that the other computers also is
running
this service.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...v.html#TAPISRV

Telephony
[[Provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that control
telephony
devices and IP based voice connections on the local computer and,
through
the LAN, on servers that are also running the service.
*Dialup Networking depends on this service to be running. If you are on
Cable or DSL, test Disabled. If your connection fails, set to
Automatic.]] http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm


##
[[Q. Should I use both Internet Connection Firewall and a software
firewall
from a different company on my Windows XP computer?
A. No. Running multiple software firewalls is unnecessary for typical
home computers, home networking, and small business networking
scenarios.
Using two firewalls on the same connection could cause issues with
connectivity to the Internet or other unexpected behavior. One
firewall, whether it is the Windows XP Internet Connection Firewall or
different software firewall, can provide substantial protection for
your computer.]]

Frequently Asked Questions About Internet Firewalls
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/firewall.asp

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Will Denny hunted and pecked:
Wes, please don't depend on BlackViper!! Various Services have to be
set back to their defaults, otherwise other Services depending those
will not work.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
With cable you do not need Remote Access Connection Manager service,
unless
you are using Internet Connection Sharing or Windows Firewall.
Disable
it.
However, see the Note: below.

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection. This service is required if you use
Windows
Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing *. If things cease to function
after
disabling this service, put it to automatic. Note: you may require
this
service for some direct cable or DSL providers and connections,
depending
on
how they implement their logon process. If your dial-up, cable or DSL
internet access no longer functions properly with this service
disabled, place this service into automatic. If you use a hardware
gateway or router,
this service is not required.]]



http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...service411.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) *
[[This service was named Internet Connection Firewall/Internet
Connection
Sharing * with Service Pack 1a. Used to allow multiple computers on
your network to access the internet via only one account. This
service installs on the "modem" computer. It also provides a
software firewall for the system. If you are using a third party
firewall, hardware gateway/router or
Internet Connection Sharing software package, this service is not
required.]]



http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...tio n_Sharing

I have cable, Comcast, and I do not use Windows firewall. I have
these
two
plus telephony disabled.


--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
When I run the Event Viewer (eventvwr.msc) and go to Event Viewer
(Local)
System I noticed I have a long list of errors with a Source of
Service
Control Manager, Event 7001, and Property Description of: The
Remote Access Connection Manager service depends on the Telephony
service which
failed to start because of the following error: The service cannot
be started, either because it is disabled or because it has no
enabled devices associated with it.

As I have no telephone modem installed (I use cable) how do I stop
this error from appearing in Event Viewer - to me it makes no since
to have time wasted checking on this service/event.

In Services (services.msc) I do have Telephony disabled.

Jerry

Wesley,

After I fired up tonight I checked Event Viewer and there were items listed
but the long list of errors was not there. My guess is it was because I had
disabled the Remote Accesss Connection Manager as I mentioned earlier today.

Why I got a list with todays date tonight rather than earlier this afternoon
is unknown.

OK - I cheked the Dependecies tab to see what you were talking about. But, I
think it still would have made more sense for there to be some kind of
automatic notification of the dependencies. Oh well, can't have everything
byt at least I solved a minor glitch

Jerry

"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Hi Jerry,

As to which services need to run or not, this can inspire some heated
debates. My opinion is, if you do not need it, do not run it.

As you well know Services can be complicated.

There was probably no error today for Remote Access Connection Manager
because it was in Manual and nothing had tried to start it before you
changed the setting.
----

All services have a Dependencies tab.

This service depends on the following system components.
[[Displays the services that are required by this service to run
properly.]]

The following system components depend on this service.
[[Displays the services that need this service to run properly.]]

Open Services, double click on Telephony and click the Dependencies tab.
----

Remote Procedure Call is a *very* important service.

Procedure Call (RPC) Service
[[Supports RPC functionality that is used throughout Windows. If this
service is turned off, Windows will not start.]]
----

There are two locations that have Black Viper's Web Site. Here's one...
http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...lackviper.com/

Nobody has heard anything from Black Viper for quite some time. Or at
least
I haven't seen anything posted.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
Wesley,

Read the answers and suggestions.

Went and checked Services, found Remote Access Connection Manager to be
in
Manual - changed to Disabled.

Also, opened Event Viewer to see listing for today 01 Aug - found
nothing;
last Error was for yesterday. Since I had not yet changed anyhting I
haven't a clue as to why, today, there were no errors (as mentioned in my
original message).

Rebooted with the one change in Services and everything is working OK -
browser, e-mail, etc.

To me, if the Telephony Service is disabled there should be a link
somewhere to tell the user to disable all the other Remote ... stuff you
mentioned; assuming also the other stuff you listed is also not required.

Last time I checked the Black Viper site was down but I do have a copy of
his listings for review and I used the book "Hacking Windows XP" by Steve
Sinchak to review unneeded services but it only lists the Remote
Procedure
Call - the others you mentioned were not in Steve's book.

Again - thanks. I'll just have to periodically review things to see what
else may happen.

Jerry

"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Hi Will,

I brought ICS up. It seems to be one of the five reasons for having the
Remote Access Connection Manager service running in the first place.

1. Using a telephone modem.
2. Using Virtual Private Networking (VPN).
3. Using Internet Connection Sharing (ICS).
4. Some ISP's logon processes may need it.
5. Using Windows Firewall.

If none of those five things are needed, then the Remote Access
Connection Manager service doesn't need to run.

Fax service, Remote Access Auto Connection Manager service and Remote
Access
Connection Manager service all depend on the Telephony service.

If none of those services are needed for anything, they should be
disabled.

If any of them do not have something that can be exploited now, they
probably will in the future.

How many critical updates have we had since XP SP2 came out?

Microsoft Security Bulletin Summaries and Webcasts
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec...n/summary.mspx

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Will Denny hunted and pecked:
Hi Wes

I didn't mention ICS - where did you get that from? It's not only the
Dependencies, but also the Services that are Dependent on the Telephony
Service.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Will,

I understand service dependencies.

The OP has no dial-up modem. Apparently his cable connection is fine
without the Remote Access Connection Manager service running. He has
the
Telphony service disabled. He wants to get rid of the Remote Access
Connection Manager service error in the Event Viewer. He made no
mention
of
needing Internet Connection Sharing.

He's getting the error because he has Remote Access Connection Manager
service set to Automatic or Manual and the Telephony service is
disabled.

Why does he need the Remote Access Connection Manager service
running???

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Definitely required if you are using Internet Connection Sharing.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/remote_a...on_manager.htm

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Disabled, if not using Modem, Virtual Private Networking(VPN) or
Internet
Connection Sharing. Manual, if wanting the ability to create such
connections when required.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...qr.html#RASMAN

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection.
*Internet Connection Sharing requires this service and as above, your
Internet connection may need this service running due to some ISP's
logon
processes. Test it out with Disabled. If your connection fails, set it
to
Automatic.]]
http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm

I disagree with this one##...
Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Leave this on Automatic even if you're running a third-party
firewall -
and if you aren't running one, stop what you're doing right now, turn
off
the machine and don't start it up again until you have one installed
and running. Yes, it's that important.]]


http://www.theeldergeek.com/windows_...cs_service.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Set to Disabled, if not sharing your internet connection AND not
using the
builtin firewall. Set to Automatic, if using the builtin firewall or
connection sharing.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...l#SHAREDACCESS

Telephony
[[Basically controls all dialup activity and in some cases DSL/Cable
activity.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/telephony.htm

Telephony
[[It provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that control
telephony devices. The telephony service enables applications to act
as
clients to telephony equipment such as PBXs, telephones, and modems.

It can also be used to IP based voice connections on the local
computer
and,
through the LAN. Though it requires that the other computers also is
running
this service.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...v.html#TAPISRV

Telephony
[[Provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that control
telephony
devices and IP based voice connections on the local computer and,
through
the LAN, on servers that are also running the service.
*Dialup Networking depends on this service to be running. If you are
on
Cable or DSL, test Disabled. If your connection fails, set to
Automatic.]] http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm


##
[[Q. Should I use both Internet Connection Firewall and a software
firewall
from a different company on my Windows XP computer?
A. No. Running multiple software firewalls is unnecessary for typical
home computers, home networking, and small business networking
scenarios.
Using two firewalls on the same connection could cause issues with
connectivity to the Internet or other unexpected behavior. One
firewall, whether it is the Windows XP Internet Connection Firewall or
different software firewall, can provide substantial protection for
your computer.]]

Frequently Asked Questions About Internet Firewalls
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/firewall.asp

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Will Denny hunted and pecked:
Wes, please don't depend on BlackViper!! Various Services have to be
set back to their defaults, otherwise other Services depending those
will not work.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
With cable you do not need Remote Access Connection Manager service,
unless
you are using Internet Connection Sharing or Windows Firewall.
Disable
it.
However, see the Note: below.

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection. This service is required if you use
Windows
Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing *. If things cease to function
after
disabling this service, put it to automatic. Note: you may require
this
service for some direct cable or DSL providers and connections,
depending
on
how they implement their logon process. If your dial-up, cable or
DSL
internet access no longer functions properly with this service
disabled, place this service into automatic. If you use a hardware
gateway or router,
this service is not required.]]



http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...service411.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) *
[[This service was named Internet Connection Firewall/Internet
Connection
Sharing * with Service Pack 1a. Used to allow multiple computers on
your network to access the internet via only one account. This
service installs on the "modem" computer. It also provides a
software firewall for the system. If you are using a third party
firewall, hardware gateway/router or
Internet Connection Sharing software package, this service is not
required.]]



http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...tio n_Sharing

I have cable, Comcast, and I do not use Windows firewall. I have
these
two
plus telephony disabled.


--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
When I run the Event Viewer (eventvwr.msc) and go to Event Viewer
(Local)
System I noticed I have a long list of errors with a Source of
Service
Control Manager, Event 7001, and Property Description of: The
Remote Access Connection Manager service depends on the Telephony
service which
failed to start because of the following error: The service cannot
be started, either because it is disabled or because it has no
enabled devices associated with it.

As I have no telephone modem installed (I use cable) how do I stop
this error from appearing in Event Viewer - to me it makes no since
to have time wasted checking on this service/event.

In Services (services.msc) I do have Telephony disabled.

Jerry

Jerry,

Keep having fun. :-)

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
Wesley,

After I fired up tonight I checked Event Viewer and there were items
listed but the long list of errors was not there. My guess is it was
because I had disabled the Remote Accesss Connection Manager as I
mentioned earlier today.

Why I got a list with todays date tonight rather than earlier this
afternoon is unknown.

OK - I cheked the Dependecies tab to see what you were talking about.
But, I think it still would have made more sense for there to be some
kind of automatic notification of the dependencies. Oh well, can't have
everything byt at least I solved a minor glitch

Jerry

"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Hi Jerry,

As to which services need to run or not, this can inspire some heated
debates. My opinion is, if you do not need it, do not run it.

As you well know Services can be complicated.

There was probably no error today for Remote Access Connection Manager
because it was in Manual and nothing had tried to start it before you
changed the setting.
----

All services have a Dependencies tab.

This service depends on the following system components.
[[Displays the services that are required by this service to run
properly.]]

The following system components depend on this service.
[[Displays the services that need this service to run properly.]]

Open Services, double click on Telephony and click the Dependencies tab.
----

Remote Procedure Call is a *very* important service.

Procedure Call (RPC) Service
[[Supports RPC functionality that is used throughout Windows. If this
service is turned off, Windows will not start.]]
----

There are two locations that have Black Viper's Web Site. Here's one...
http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...lackviper.com/

Nobody has heard anything from Black Viper for quite some time. Or at
least
I haven't seen anything posted.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
Wesley,

Read the answers and suggestions.

Went and checked Services, found Remote Access Connection Manager to be
in
Manual - changed to Disabled.

Also, opened Event Viewer to see listing for today 01 Aug - found
nothing;
last Error was for yesterday. Since I had not yet changed anyhting I
haven't a clue as to why, today, there were no errors (as mentioned in
my original message).

Rebooted with the one change in Services and everything is working OK -
browser, e-mail, etc.

To me, if the Telephony Service is disabled there should be a link
somewhere to tell the user to disable all the other Remote ... stuff you
mentioned; assuming also the other stuff you listed is also not
required.

Last time I checked the Black Viper site was down but I do have a copy
of his listings for review and I used the book "Hacking Windows XP" by
Steve Sinchak to review unneeded services but it only lists the Remote
Procedure
Call - the others you mentioned were not in Steve's book.

Again - thanks. I'll just have to periodically review things to see what
else may happen.

Jerry

"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Hi Will,

I brought ICS up. It seems to be one of the five reasons for having
the Remote Access Connection Manager service running in the first
place.

1. Using a telephone modem.
2. Using Virtual Private Networking (VPN).
3. Using Internet Connection Sharing (ICS).
4. Some ISP's logon processes may need it.
5. Using Windows Firewall.

If none of those five things are needed, then the Remote Access
Connection Manager service doesn't need to run.

Fax service, Remote Access Auto Connection Manager service and Remote
Access
Connection Manager service all depend on the Telephony service.

If none of those services are needed for anything, they should be
disabled.

If any of them do not have something that can be exploited now, they
probably will in the future.

How many critical updates have we had since XP SP2 came out?

Microsoft Security Bulletin Summaries and Webcasts
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec...n/summary.mspx

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Will Denny hunted and pecked:
Hi Wes

I didn't mention ICS - where did you get that from? It's not only the
Dependencies, but also the Services that are Dependent on the
Telephony Service.

--

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MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Will,

I understand service dependencies.

The OP has no dial-up modem. Apparently his cable connection is fine
without the Remote Access Connection Manager service running. He has
the
Telphony service disabled. He wants to get rid of the Remote Access
Connection Manager service error in the Event Viewer. He made no
mention
of
needing Internet Connection Sharing.

He's getting the error because he has Remote Access Connection
Manager service set to Automatic or Manual and the Telephony service
is disabled.

Why does he need the Remote Access Connection Manager service
running???

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Definitely required if you are using Internet Connection Sharing.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/remote_a...on_manager.htm

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Disabled, if not using Modem, Virtual Private Networking(VPN) or
Internet
Connection Sharing. Manual, if wanting the ability to create such
connections when required.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...qr.html#RASMAN

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection.
*Internet Connection Sharing requires this service and as above, your
Internet connection may need this service running due to some ISP's
logon
processes. Test it out with Disabled. If your connection fails, set
it to
Automatic.]]
http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm

I disagree with this one##...
Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Leave this on Automatic even if you're running a third-party
firewall -
and if you aren't running one, stop what you're doing right now, turn
off
the machine and don't start it up again until you have one installed
and running. Yes, it's that important.]]



http://www.theeldergeek.com/windows_...cs_service.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Set to Disabled, if not sharing your internet connection AND not
using the
builtin firewall. Set to Automatic, if using the builtin firewall or
connection sharing.]]

http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...l#SHAREDACCESS

Telephony
[[Basically controls all dialup activity and in some cases DSL/Cable
activity.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/telephony.htm

Telephony
[[It provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that control
telephony devices. The telephony service enables applications to act
as
clients to telephony equipment such as PBXs, telephones, and modems.

It can also be used to IP based voice connections on the local
computer
and,
through the LAN. Though it requires that the other computers also is
running
this service.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...v.html#TAPISRV

Telephony
[[Provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that control
telephony
devices and IP based voice connections on the local computer and,
through
the LAN, on servers that are also running the service.
*Dialup Networking depends on this service to be running. If you are
on
Cable or DSL, test Disabled. If your connection fails, set to
Automatic.]] http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm


##
[[Q. Should I use both Internet Connection Firewall and a software
firewall
from a different company on my Windows XP computer?
A. No. Running multiple software firewalls is unnecessary for typical
home computers, home networking, and small business networking
scenarios.
Using two firewalls on the same connection could cause issues with
connectivity to the Internet or other unexpected behavior. One
firewall, whether it is the Windows XP Internet Connection Firewall
or different software firewall, can provide substantial protection
for your computer.]]

Frequently Asked Questions About Internet Firewalls
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/firewall.asp

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Will Denny hunted and pecked:
Wes, please don't depend on BlackViper!! Various Services have to
be set back to their defaults, otherwise other Services depending
those will not work.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
With cable you do not need Remote Access Connection Manager
service, unless
you are using Internet Connection Sharing or Windows Firewall.
Disable
it.
However, see the Note: below.

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection. This service is required if you use
Windows
Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing *. If things cease to function
after
disabling this service, put it to automatic. Note: you may require
this
service for some direct cable or DSL providers and connections,
depending
on
how they implement their logon process. If your dial-up, cable or
DSL
internet access no longer functions properly with this service
disabled, place this service into automatic. If you use a hardware
gateway or router,
this service is not required.]]




http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...service411.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) *
[[This service was named Internet Connection Firewall/Internet
Connection
Sharing * with Service Pack 1a. Used to allow multiple computers on
your network to access the internet via only one account. This
service installs on the "modem" computer. It also provides a
software firewall for the system. If you are using a third party
firewall, hardware gateway/router or
Internet Connection Sharing software package, this service is not
required.]]




http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...tio n_Sharing

I have cable, Comcast, and I do not use Windows firewall. I have
these
two
plus telephony disabled.


--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
When I run the Event Viewer (eventvwr.msc) and go to Event Viewer
(Local)
System I noticed I have a long list of errors with a Source of
Service
Control Manager, Event 7001, and Property Description of: The
Remote Access Connection Manager service depends on the Telephony
service which
failed to start because of the following error: The service cannot
be started, either because it is disabled or because it has no
enabled devices associated with it.

As I have no telephone modem installed (I use cable) how do I stop
this error from appearing in Event Viewer - to me it makes no
since to have time wasted checking on this service/event.

In Services (services.msc) I do have Telephony disabled.

Jerry

Wesley,

Another glitch popped up in my home network.

If I have Remote Access Connection Manager (RACM) disabled then I cannot see
my second system, with XP Home, from my XP Pro system. Opening Services and
changing RACM back to Manual then allows me to see the Pro system from the
Home system but not vice versa. Rebooting then allows me to see Home from
Pro

So, to reduce the Event Viewer error messages I will have to leave RACM
disabled until I want to use my home network then I can set it to Manual but
a reboot is required.

Why are things so confusing and not documented?

Jerry
"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Jerry,

Keep having fun. :-)

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
Wesley,

After I fired up tonight I checked Event Viewer and there were items
listed but the long list of errors was not there. My guess is it was
because I had disabled the Remote Accesss Connection Manager as I
mentioned earlier today.

Why I got a list with todays date tonight rather than earlier this
afternoon is unknown.

OK - I cheked the Dependecies tab to see what you were talking about.
But, I think it still would have made more sense for there to be some
kind of automatic notification of the dependencies. Oh well, can't have
everything byt at least I solved a minor glitch

Jerry

"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Hi Jerry,

As to which services need to run or not, this can inspire some heated
debates. My opinion is, if you do not need it, do not run it.

As you well know Services can be complicated.

There was probably no error today for Remote Access Connection Manager
because it was in Manual and nothing had tried to start it before you
changed the setting.
----

All services have a Dependencies tab.

This service depends on the following system components.
[[Displays the services that are required by this service to run
properly.]]

The following system components depend on this service.
[[Displays the services that need this service to run properly.]]

Open Services, double click on Telephony and click the Dependencies tab.
----

Remote Procedure Call is a *very* important service.

Procedure Call (RPC) Service
[[Supports RPC functionality that is used throughout Windows. If this
service is turned off, Windows will not start.]]
----

There are two locations that have Black Viper's Web Site. Here's one...
http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...lackviper.com/

Nobody has heard anything from Black Viper for quite some time. Or at
least
I haven't seen anything posted.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
Wesley,

Read the answers and suggestions.

Went and checked Services, found Remote Access Connection Manager to be
in
Manual - changed to Disabled.

Also, opened Event Viewer to see listing for today 01 Aug - found
nothing;
last Error was for yesterday. Since I had not yet changed anyhting I
haven't a clue as to why, today, there were no errors (as mentioned in
my original message).

Rebooted with the one change in Services and everything is working OK -
browser, e-mail, etc.

To me, if the Telephony Service is disabled there should be a link
somewhere to tell the user to disable all the other Remote ... stuff
you
mentioned; assuming also the other stuff you listed is also not
required.

Last time I checked the Black Viper site was down but I do have a copy
of his listings for review and I used the book "Hacking Windows XP" by
Steve Sinchak to review unneeded services but it only lists the Remote
Procedure
Call - the others you mentioned were not in Steve's book.

Again - thanks. I'll just have to periodically review things to see
what
else may happen.

Jerry

"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Hi Will,

I brought ICS up. It seems to be one of the five reasons for having
the Remote Access Connection Manager service running in the first
place.

1. Using a telephone modem.
2. Using Virtual Private Networking (VPN).
3. Using Internet Connection Sharing (ICS).
4. Some ISP's logon processes may need it.
5. Using Windows Firewall.

If none of those five things are needed, then the Remote Access
Connection Manager service doesn't need to run.

Fax service, Remote Access Auto Connection Manager service and Remote
Access
Connection Manager service all depend on the Telephony service.

If none of those services are needed for anything, they should be
disabled.

If any of them do not have something that can be exploited now, they
probably will in the future.

How many critical updates have we had since XP SP2 came out?

Microsoft Security Bulletin Summaries and Webcasts
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec...n/summary.mspx

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Will Denny hunted and pecked:
Hi Wes

I didn't mention ICS - where did you get that from? It's not only
the
Dependencies, but also the Services that are Dependent on the
Telephony Service.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Will,

I understand service dependencies.

The OP has no dial-up modem. Apparently his cable connection is
fine
without the Remote Access Connection Manager service running. He
has
the
Telphony service disabled. He wants to get rid of the Remote Access
Connection Manager service error in the Event Viewer. He made no
mention
of
needing Internet Connection Sharing.

He's getting the error because he has Remote Access Connection
Manager service set to Automatic or Manual and the Telephony service
is disabled.

Why does he need the Remote Access Connection Manager service
running???

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Definitely required if you are using Internet Connection
Sharing.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/remote_a...on_manager.htm

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Disabled, if not using Modem, Virtual Private Networking(VPN) or
Internet
Connection Sharing. Manual, if wanting the ability to create such
connections when required.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...qr.html#RASMAN

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection.
*Internet Connection Sharing requires this service and as above,
your
Internet connection may need this service running due to some ISP's
logon
processes. Test it out with Disabled. If your connection fails, set
it to
Automatic.]]
http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm

I disagree with this one##...
Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Leave this on Automatic even if you're running a third-party
firewall -
and if you aren't running one, stop what you're doing right now,
turn
off
the machine and don't start it up again until you have one installed
and running. Yes, it's that important.]]



http://www.theeldergeek.com/windows_...cs_service.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Set to Disabled, if not sharing your internet connection AND not
using the
builtin firewall. Set to Automatic, if using the builtin firewall or
connection sharing.]]

http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...l#SHAREDACCESS

Telephony
[[Basically controls all dialup activity and in some cases DSL/Cable
activity.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/telephony.htm

Telephony
[[It provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that control
telephony devices. The telephony service enables applications to act
as
clients to telephony equipment such as PBXs, telephones, and modems.

It can also be used to IP based voice connections on the local
computer
and,
through the LAN. Though it requires that the other computers also is
running
this service.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...v.html#TAPISRV

Telephony
[[Provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that control
telephony
devices and IP based voice connections on the local computer and,
through
the LAN, on servers that are also running the service.
*Dialup Networking depends on this service to be running. If you are
on
Cable or DSL, test Disabled. If your connection fails, set to
Automatic.]] http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm


##
[[Q. Should I use both Internet Connection Firewall and a software
firewall
from a different company on my Windows XP computer?
A. No. Running multiple software firewalls is unnecessary for
typical
home computers, home networking, and small business networking
scenarios.
Using two firewalls on the same connection could cause issues with
connectivity to the Internet or other unexpected behavior. One
firewall, whether it is the Windows XP Internet Connection Firewall
or different software firewall, can provide substantial protection
for your computer.]]

Frequently Asked Questions About Internet Firewalls
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/firewall.asp

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Will Denny hunted and pecked:
Wes, please don't depend on BlackViper!! Various Services have to
be set back to their defaults, otherwise other Services depending
those will not work.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
With cable you do not need Remote Access Connection Manager
service, unless
you are using Internet Connection Sharing or Windows Firewall.
Disable
it.
However, see the Note: below.

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection. This service is required if you
use
Windows
Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing *. If things cease to
function
after
disabling this service, put it to automatic. Note: you may require
this
service for some direct cable or DSL providers and connections,
depending
on
how they implement their logon process. If your dial-up, cable or
DSL
internet access no longer functions properly with this service
disabled, place this service into automatic. If you use a hardware
gateway or router,
this service is not required.]]




http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...service411.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) *
[[This service was named Internet Connection Firewall/Internet
Connection
Sharing * with Service Pack 1a. Used to allow multiple computers
on
your network to access the internet via only one account. This
service installs on the "modem" computer. It also provides a
software firewall for the system. If you are using a third party
firewall, hardware gateway/router or
Internet Connection Sharing software package, this service is not
required.]]




http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...tio n_Sharing

I have cable, Comcast, and I do not use Windows firewall. I have
these
two
plus telephony disabled.


--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
When I run the Event Viewer (eventvwr.msc) and go to Event Viewer
(Local)
System I noticed I have a long list of errors with a Source of
Service
Control Manager, Event 7001, and Property Description of: The
Remote Access Connection Manager service depends on the Telephony
service which
failed to start because of the following error: The service
cannot
be started, either because it is disabled or because it has no
enabled devices associated with it.

As I have no telephone modem installed (I use cable) how do I
stop
this error from appearing in Event Viewer - to me it makes no
since to have time wasted checking on this service/event.

In Services (services.msc) I do have Telephony disabled.

Jerry

Jerry,

It sounds to me like you need the Remote Access Connection Manager running.

Set RACM to Automatic. That way you should avoid seeing the errors and see
your other machine when you need to.

That's the deal with services. Sometimes you have to experiment.

You're correct, the documentation on services is slim.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
Wesley,

Another glitch popped up in my home network.

If I have Remote Access Connection Manager (RACM) disabled then I cannot
see my second system, with XP Home, from my XP Pro system. Opening
Services and changing RACM back to Manual then allows me to see the Pro
system from the Home system but not vice versa. Rebooting then allows me
to see Home from Pro

So, to reduce the Event Viewer error messages I will have to leave RACM
disabled until I want to use my home network then I can set it to Manual
but a reboot is required.

Why are things so confusing and not documented?

Jerry
"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Jerry,

Keep having fun. :-)

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
Wesley,

After I fired up tonight I checked Event Viewer and there were items
listed but the long list of errors was not there. My guess is it was
because I had disabled the Remote Accesss Connection Manager as I
mentioned earlier today.

Why I got a list with todays date tonight rather than earlier this
afternoon is unknown.

OK - I cheked the Dependecies tab to see what you were talking about.
But, I think it still would have made more sense for there to be some
kind of automatic notification of the dependencies. Oh well, can't have
everything byt at least I solved a minor glitch

Jerry

"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Hi Jerry,

As to which services need to run or not, this can inspire some heated
debates. My opinion is, if you do not need it, do not run it.

As you well know Services can be complicated.

There was probably no error today for Remote Access Connection Manager
because it was in Manual and nothing had tried to start it before you
changed the setting.
----

All services have a Dependencies tab.

This service depends on the following system components.
[[Displays the services that are required by this service to run
properly.]]

The following system components depend on this service.
[[Displays the services that need this service to run properly.]]

Open Services, double click on Telephony and click the Dependencies
tab. ----

Remote Procedure Call is a *very* important service.

Procedure Call (RPC) Service
[[Supports RPC functionality that is used throughout Windows. If this
service is turned off, Windows will not start.]]
----

There are two locations that have Black Viper's Web Site. Here's
one...
http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...lackviper.com/

Nobody has heard anything from Black Viper for quite some time. Or at
least
I haven't seen anything posted.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
Wesley,

Read the answers and suggestions.

Went and checked Services, found Remote Access Connection Manager to
be in
Manual - changed to Disabled.

Also, opened Event Viewer to see listing for today 01 Aug - found
nothing;
last Error was for yesterday. Since I had not yet changed anyhting I
haven't a clue as to why, today, there were no errors (as mentioned in
my original message).

Rebooted with the one change in Services and everything is working OK
- browser, e-mail, etc.

To me, if the Telephony Service is disabled there should be a link
somewhere to tell the user to disable all the other Remote ... stuff
you
mentioned; assuming also the other stuff you listed is also not
required.

Last time I checked the Black Viper site was down but I do have a copy
of his listings for review and I used the book "Hacking Windows XP" by
Steve Sinchak to review unneeded services but it only lists the Remote
Procedure
Call - the others you mentioned were not in Steve's book.

Again - thanks. I'll just have to periodically review things to see
what
else may happen.

Jerry

"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Hi Will,

I brought ICS up. It seems to be one of the five reasons for having
the Remote Access Connection Manager service running in the first
place.

1. Using a telephone modem.
2. Using Virtual Private Networking (VPN).
3. Using Internet Connection Sharing (ICS).
4. Some ISP's logon processes may need it.
5. Using Windows Firewall.

If none of those five things are needed, then the Remote Access
Connection Manager service doesn't need to run.

Fax service, Remote Access Auto Connection Manager service and Remote
Access
Connection Manager service all depend on the Telephony service.

If none of those services are needed for anything, they should be
disabled.

If any of them do not have something that can be exploited now, they
probably will in the future.

How many critical updates have we had since XP SP2 came out?

Microsoft Security Bulletin Summaries and Webcasts
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec...n/summary.mspx

--
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Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Will Denny hunted and pecked:
Hi Wes

I didn't mention ICS - where did you get that from? It's not only
the
Dependencies, but also the Services that are Dependent on the
Telephony Service.

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"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Will,

I understand service dependencies.

The OP has no dial-up modem. Apparently his cable connection is
fine
without the Remote Access Connection Manager service running. He
has
the
Telphony service disabled. He wants to get rid of the Remote
Access Connection Manager service error in the Event Viewer. He
made no mention
of
needing Internet Connection Sharing.

He's getting the error because he has Remote Access Connection
Manager service set to Automatic or Manual and the Telephony
service is disabled.

Why does he need the Remote Access Connection Manager service
running???

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Definitely required if you are using Internet Connection
Sharing.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/remote_a...on_manager.htm

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Disabled, if not using Modem, Virtual Private Networking(VPN) or
Internet
Connection Sharing. Manual, if wanting the ability to create such
connections when required.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...qr.html#RASMAN

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection.
*Internet Connection Sharing requires this service and as above,
your
Internet connection may need this service running due to some ISP's
logon
processes. Test it out with Disabled. If your connection fails, set
it to
Automatic.]]
http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm

I disagree with this one##...
Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Leave this on Automatic even if you're running a third-party
firewall -
and if you aren't running one, stop what you're doing right now,
turn
off
the machine and don't start it up again until you have one
installed and running. Yes, it's that important.]]




http://www.theeldergeek.com/windows_...cs_service.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Set to Disabled, if not sharing your internet connection AND not
using the
builtin firewall. Set to Automatic, if using the builtin firewall
or connection sharing.]]

http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...l#SHAREDACCESS

Telephony
[[Basically controls all dialup activity and in some cases
DSL/Cable activity.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/telephony.htm

Telephony
[[It provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that
control telephony devices. The telephony service enables
applications to act as
clients to telephony equipment such as PBXs, telephones, and
modems.

It can also be used to IP based voice connections on the local
computer
and,
through the LAN. Though it requires that the other computers also
is running
this service.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...v.html#TAPISRV

Telephony
[[Provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that control
telephony
devices and IP based voice connections on the local computer and,
through
the LAN, on servers that are also running the service.
*Dialup Networking depends on this service to be running. If you
are on
Cable or DSL, test Disabled. If your connection fails, set to
Automatic.]] http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm


##
[[Q. Should I use both Internet Connection Firewall and a software
firewall
from a different company on my Windows XP computer?
A. No. Running multiple software firewalls is unnecessary for
typical
home computers, home networking, and small business networking
scenarios.
Using two firewalls on the same connection could cause issues with
connectivity to the Internet or other unexpected behavior. One
firewall, whether it is the Windows XP Internet Connection Firewall
or different software firewall, can provide substantial protection
for your computer.]]

Frequently Asked Questions About Internet Firewalls
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/firewall.asp

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Will Denny hunted and pecked:
Wes, please don't depend on BlackViper!! Various Services have to
be set back to their defaults, otherwise other Services depending
those will not work.

--

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Please reply to the News Groups


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
With cable you do not need Remote Access Connection Manager
service, unless
you are using Internet Connection Sharing or Windows Firewall.
Disable
it.
However, see the Note: below.

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection. This service is required if you
use
Windows
Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing *. If things cease to
function
after
disabling this service, put it to automatic. Note: you may
require this
service for some direct cable or DSL providers and connections,
depending
on
how they implement their logon process. If your dial-up, cable or
DSL
internet access no longer functions properly with this service
disabled, place this service into automatic. If you use a
hardware gateway or router,
this service is not required.]]





http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...service411.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) *
[[This service was named Internet Connection Firewall/Internet
Connection
Sharing * with Service Pack 1a. Used to allow multiple computers
on
your network to access the internet via only one account. This
service installs on the "modem" computer. It also provides a
software firewall for the system. If you are using a third party
firewall, hardware gateway/router or
Internet Connection Sharing software package, this service is not
required.]]





http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...tio n_Sharing

I have cable, Comcast, and I do not use Windows firewall. I have
these
two
plus telephony disabled.


--
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Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
When I run the Event Viewer (eventvwr.msc) and go to Event
Viewer (Local)
System I noticed I have a long list of errors with a Source of
Service
Control Manager, Event 7001, and Property Description of: The
Remote Access Connection Manager service depends on the
Telephony service which
failed to start because of the following error: The service
cannot
be started, either because it is disabled or because it has no
enabled devices associated with it.

As I have no telephone modem installed (I use cable) how do I
stop
this error from appearing in Event Viewer - to me it makes no
since to have time wasted checking on this service/event.

In Services (services.msc) I do have Telephony disabled.

Jerry

Wesley,

Changing the RACM to Automatic did no good, got error 1068 when trying to
start it. Still got many Errors when I checked after a reboot; went back to
Manual

Jerry
"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Jerry,

It sounds to me like you need the Remote Access Connection Manager
running.

Set RACM to Automatic. That way you should avoid seeing the errors and
see
your other machine when you need to.

That's the deal with services. Sometimes you have to experiment.

You're correct, the documentation on services is slim.

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In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
Wesley,

Another glitch popped up in my home network.

If I have Remote Access Connection Manager (RACM) disabled then I cannot
see my second system, with XP Home, from my XP Pro system. Opening
Services and changing RACM back to Manual then allows me to see the Pro
system from the Home system but not vice versa. Rebooting then allows me
to see Home from Pro

So, to reduce the Event Viewer error messages I will have to leave RACM
disabled until I want to use my home network then I can set it to Manual
but a reboot is required.

Why are things so confusing and not documented?

Jerry
"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Jerry,

Keep having fun. :-)

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MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
Wesley,

After I fired up tonight I checked Event Viewer and there were items
listed but the long list of errors was not there. My guess is it was
because I had disabled the Remote Accesss Connection Manager as I
mentioned earlier today.

Why I got a list with todays date tonight rather than earlier this
afternoon is unknown.

OK - I cheked the Dependecies tab to see what you were talking about.
But, I think it still would have made more sense for there to be some
kind of automatic notification of the dependencies. Oh well, can't have
everything byt at least I solved a minor glitch

Jerry

"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Hi Jerry,

As to which services need to run or not, this can inspire some heated
debates. My opinion is, if you do not need it, do not run it.

As you well know Services can be complicated.

There was probably no error today for Remote Access Connection Manager
because it was in Manual and nothing had tried to start it before you
changed the setting.
----

All services have a Dependencies tab.

This service depends on the following system components.
[[Displays the services that are required by this service to run
properly.]]

The following system components depend on this service.
[[Displays the services that need this service to run properly.]]

Open Services, double click on Telephony and click the Dependencies
tab. ----

Remote Procedure Call is a *very* important service.

Procedure Call (RPC) Service
[[Supports RPC functionality that is used throughout Windows. If this
service is turned off, Windows will not start.]]
----

There are two locations that have Black Viper's Web Site. Here's
one...
http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...lackviper.com/

Nobody has heard anything from Black Viper for quite some time. Or at
least
I haven't seen anything posted.

--
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Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
Wesley,

Read the answers and suggestions.

Went and checked Services, found Remote Access Connection Manager to
be in
Manual - changed to Disabled.

Also, opened Event Viewer to see listing for today 01 Aug - found
nothing;
last Error was for yesterday. Since I had not yet changed anyhting I
haven't a clue as to why, today, there were no errors (as mentioned
in
my original message).

Rebooted with the one change in Services and everything is working OK
- browser, e-mail, etc.

To me, if the Telephony Service is disabled there should be a link
somewhere to tell the user to disable all the other Remote ... stuff
you
mentioned; assuming also the other stuff you listed is also not
required.

Last time I checked the Black Viper site was down but I do have a
copy
of his listings for review and I used the book "Hacking Windows XP"
by
Steve Sinchak to review unneeded services but it only lists the
Remote
Procedure
Call - the others you mentioned were not in Steve's book.

Again - thanks. I'll just have to periodically review things to see
what
else may happen.

Jerry

"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Hi Will,

I brought ICS up. It seems to be one of the five reasons for having
the Remote Access Connection Manager service running in the first
place.

1. Using a telephone modem.
2. Using Virtual Private Networking (VPN).
3. Using Internet Connection Sharing (ICS).
4. Some ISP's logon processes may need it.
5. Using Windows Firewall.

If none of those five things are needed, then the Remote Access
Connection Manager service doesn't need to run.

Fax service, Remote Access Auto Connection Manager service and
Remote
Access
Connection Manager service all depend on the Telephony service.

If none of those services are needed for anything, they should be
disabled.

If any of them do not have something that can be exploited now, they
probably will in the future.

How many critical updates have we had since XP SP2 came out?

Microsoft Security Bulletin Summaries and Webcasts
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec...n/summary.mspx

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Will Denny hunted and pecked:
Hi Wes

I didn't mention ICS - where did you get that from? It's not only
the
Dependencies, but also the Services that are Dependent on the
Telephony Service.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
Will,

I understand service dependencies.

The OP has no dial-up modem. Apparently his cable connection is
fine
without the Remote Access Connection Manager service running. He
has
the
Telphony service disabled. He wants to get rid of the Remote
Access Connection Manager service error in the Event Viewer. He
made no mention
of
needing Internet Connection Sharing.

He's getting the error because he has Remote Access Connection
Manager service set to Automatic or Manual and the Telephony
service is disabled.

Why does he need the Remote Access Connection Manager service
running???

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Definitely required if you are using Internet Connection
Sharing.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/remote_a...on_manager.htm

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Disabled, if not using Modem, Virtual Private Networking(VPN) or
Internet
Connection Sharing. Manual, if wanting the ability to create such
connections when required.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...qr.html#RASMAN

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection.
*Internet Connection Sharing requires this service and as above,
your
Internet connection may need this service running due to some
ISP's
logon
processes. Test it out with Disabled. If your connection fails,
set
it to
Automatic.]]
http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm

I disagree with this one##...
Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Leave this on Automatic even if you're running a third-party
firewall -
and if you aren't running one, stop what you're doing right now,
turn
off
the machine and don't start it up again until you have one
installed and running. Yes, it's that important.]]




http://www.theeldergeek.com/windows_...cs_service.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
[[Set to Disabled, if not sharing your internet connection AND not
using the
builtin firewall. Set to Automatic, if using the builtin firewall
or connection sharing.]]

http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...l#SHAREDACCESS

Telephony
[[Basically controls all dialup activity and in some cases
DSL/Cable activity.]]
http://www.theeldergeek.com/telephony.htm

Telephony
[[It provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that
control telephony devices. The telephony service enables
applications to act as
clients to telephony equipment such as PBXs, telephones, and
modems.

It can also be used to IP based voice connections on the local
computer
and,
through the LAN. Though it requires that the other computers also
is running
this service.]]
http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/...v.html#TAPISRV

Telephony
[[Provides Telephony API (TAPI) support for programs that control
telephony
devices and IP based voice connections on the local computer and,
through
the LAN, on servers that are also running the service.
*Dialup Networking depends on this service to be running. If you
are on
Cable or DSL, test Disabled. If your connection fails, set to
Automatic.]] http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm


##
[[Q. Should I use both Internet Connection Firewall and a software
firewall
from a different company on my Windows XP computer?
A. No. Running multiple software firewalls is unnecessary for
typical
home computers, home networking, and small business networking
scenarios.
Using two firewalls on the same connection could cause issues with
connectivity to the Internet or other unexpected behavior. One
firewall, whether it is the Windows XP Internet Connection
Firewall
or different software firewall, can provide substantial protection
for your computer.]]

Frequently Asked Questions About Internet Firewalls
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/firewall.asp

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Will Denny hunted and pecked:
Wes, please don't depend on BlackViper!! Various Services have
to
be set back to their defaults, otherwise other Services depending
those will not work.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
With cable you do not need Remote Access Connection Manager
service, unless
you are using Internet Connection Sharing or Windows Firewall.
Disable
it.
However, see the Note: below.

Remote Access Connection Manager
[[Creates a network connection. This service is required if you
use
Windows
Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing *. If things cease to
function
after
disabling this service, put it to automatic. Note: you may
require this
service for some direct cable or DSL providers and connections,
depending
on
how they implement their logon process. If your dial-up, cable
or
DSL
internet access no longer functions properly with this service
disabled, place this service into automatic. If you use a
hardware gateway or router,
this service is not required.]]





http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...service411.htm

Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) *
[[This service was named Internet Connection Firewall/Internet
Connection
Sharing * with Service Pack 1a. Used to allow multiple computers
on
your network to access the internet via only one account. This
service installs on the "modem" computer. It also provides a
software firewall for the system. If you are using a third party
firewall, hardware gateway/router or
Internet Connection Sharing software package, this service is
not
required.]]





http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...tio n_Sharing

I have cable, Comcast, and I do not use Windows firewall. I
have
these
two
plus telephony disabled.


--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Jerry hunted and pecked:
When I run the Event Viewer (eventvwr.msc) and go to Event
Viewer (Local)
System I noticed I have a long list of errors with a Source of
Service
Control Manager, Event 7001, and Property Description of:
The
Remote Access Connection Manager service depends on the
Telephony service which
failed to start because of the following error: The service
cannot
be started, either because it is disabled or because it has no
enabled devices associated with it.

As I have no telephone modem installed (I use cable) how do I
stop
this error from appearing in Event Viewer - to me it makes no
since to have time wasted checking on this service/event.

In Services (services.msc) I do have Telephony disabled.

Jerry