OK/Cancel dialog, which way round?

On 31/05/2019 11.23, Peeler wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2019 03:48:52 +0200, Carlos E.R., another mentally
challenged, troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered again:


the number of times I'm typing an email and accidentally said "yes" to a
dialog from another program.

Yep. So I don't enable that automatism.

What has all this demented **** got to do with a group like aue, you
driveling IDIOTS?


You are welcome.

I did not set the groups.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 31/05/2019 11.23, Peeler wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2019 03:48:52 +0200, Carlos E.R., another mentally
challenged, troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered again:


the number of times I'm typing an email and accidentally said "yes" to a
dialog from another program.

Yep. So I don't enable that automatism.

What has all this demented **** got to do with a group like aue, you
driveling IDIOTS?

You can just kill the thread, if it is so disturbing to you. Maybe you
enjoy telling people how idiots we are.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 31/05/2019 11.24, Peeler wrote:
On Thu, 30 May 2019 20:51:20 -0400, Mayayana, another obviously brain dead,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:

| I never want anything to default for me. How does your computer know what
you're going to want?
|
It doesn't.

LOL Another senile idiot who GLADLY takes the dumbest baits from one of the
dumbest trolls that ever infested these groups!


Confirmed: you are enjoying this :-P

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Thu, 30 May 2019 21:27:35 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 30 May 2019 21:00:59 +0100, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

I've never really noticed which way round these things are in Windows,
but from a Google search, it appears Windows has it backwards and MacOS
has it correct. OK on the right, this makes more sense. An
affirmative action is moreso, yes is 1, no is 0, ok should be to the
right. It's been annoying me recently in a game (Civ VI) when I
automatically assume the button on the right is "yes" and click the
wrong one.

Also in a car, the accelerator is on the right. More speed on the
right, less on the left (brake).

But not every car. In my car the pedal to the left when pressed allows
the car to roll freely, yet you can't accelerate either.

On Fri, 31 May 2019 12:29:34 +0100, Roy Smith wrote:

On Thu, 30 May 2019 21:27:35 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 30 May 2019 21:00:59 +0100, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

I've never really noticed which way round these things are in Windows,
but from a Google search, it appears Windows has it backwards and MacOS
has it correct. OK on the right, this makes more sense. An
affirmative action is moreso, yes is 1, no is 0, ok should be to the
right. It's been annoying me recently in a game (Civ VI) when I
automatically assume the button on the right is "yes" and click the
wrong one.

Also in a car, the accelerator is on the right. More speed on the
right, less on the left (brake).

But not every car. In my car the pedal to the left when pressed allows
the car to roll freely, yet you can't accelerate either.

Oh very funny.

On Fri, 31 May 2019 03:05:45 +0100, Lewis wrote:

In message Commander Kinsey wrote:
I've never really noticed which way round these things are in Windows,
but from a Google search, it appears Windows has it backwards and
MacOS has it correct. OK on the right, this makes more sense. An
affirmative action is moreso, yes is 1, no is 0, ok should be to the
right. It's been annoying me recently in a game (Civ VI) when I
automatically assume the button on the right is "yes" and click the
wrong one.

One of the more minor things I dislike about Windows, but a constant
source of low-grade annoyance.

It's more than an annoyance when you end up telling the computer to do the opposite of what you intended.

It has even migrated to some other terrible UI decisions, like POS
terminals that put cancel on the bottom right.

While Googling I found that some cash machines actually say, "Are you sure you don't want a receipt" [Yes/No]. All we need is a "not nohow" to complete the stupidity.

On Fri, 31 May 2019 02:48:52 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 31/05/2019 00.14, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 30 May 2019 22:31:19 +0100, Carlos E.R.
wrote:

On 30/05/2019 23.04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 30 May 2019 21:57:14 +0100, Mayayana
wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| Commander Kinsey wrote:
| I've never really noticed which way round these things are in
Windows,
| but from a Google search, it appears Windows has it backwards and
MacOS
| has it correct. OK on the right, this makes more sense. An
affirmative
| action is moreso, yes is 1, no is 0, ok should be to the
right.It's
| been annoying me recently in a game (Civ VI) when I automatically
assume
| the button on the right is "yes" and click the wrong one.
|
| Except usually "yes" is TRUE which is 0 not 1 in programing...
|
| Since when was TRUE 0?

A great example of 1st world problems.

Yes, 0 is false. True is 1 or -1. (A 32-bit value with all bits
switched on is -1.)

Google "what is the value of true in C".

Answer:

The bottom line is that, whenever a Boolean value is generated by an
expression, it ... ... yields 1 if the specified relation is true and 0
if it is false. The result has type int. So, yes, the result of any
Boolean-generating expression will be one for true, or zero for false.


But:

https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/true-invocation.html


16.2 true: Do nothing, successfully

true does nothing except return an exit status of 0, meaning success.. It
can be used as a place holder in shell scripts where a successful
command is needed, although the shell built-in command : (colon) may do
the same thing faster. In most modern shells, true is a built-in
command, so when you use ‘true’ in a script, you’re probably using the
built-in command, not the one documented here.

But what we're talking about here is the attitude of the user. Most
users have never heard of true being 0. However most are familiar with
a car, you use the right pedal for more speed, the left pedal for less.Hence the right button should be ok or yes, and the left button cancel
or no.

Middle pedal here is less.

Obviously I'm only talking about the two speed pedals.

But we programmers never thought in those terms.

What other sensible way is there?

Try with politics :-p

?

And some mouse drivers (typically touchpads) have an optional function
to jump the pointer automatically to the default button. Switch it on or
off, your choice.

That would be fine if nothing ever stole focus. But I've lost count of
the number of times I'm typing an email and accidentally said "yes" to a
dialog from another program.

Yep. So I don't enable that automatism.

There is no way that I know of to disable it.

On Fri, 31 May 2019 12:40:43 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

What has all this demented **** got to do with a group like aue, you
driveling IDIOTS?

You can just kill the thread, if it is so disturbing to you. Maybe you
enjoy telling people how idiots we are.

Make that "troll-feeding senile idiots", idiot!

On Fri, 31 May 2019 01:56:31 +0100, Mayayana wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote

That would be fine if nothing ever stole focus. But I've lost count of the
number of times I'm typing an email and accidentally said "yes" to a dialog
from another program.

You must have some odd software. Microsoft switched
that behavior years ago, so that a msgbox popped up
by a window without focus goes to a flashing box on the
taskbar, rather than stealing focus. Software developers
can steal focus only by using hacks that are impolite and
bad design. I think Imgburn might do that in some cases.
I can't think of any other software that does.

I can't remember which ones do, but there are many and it happens frequently. Maybe they're older versions?

On Fri, 31 May 2019 12:41:19 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:


LOL Another senile idiot who GLADLY takes the dumbest baits from one of the
dumbest trolls that ever infested these groups!


Confirmed: you are enjoying this :-P

I know, it's because you ARE troll-feeding senile idiots! QED

On Fri, 31 May 2019 11:29:34 GMT, Roy Smith, yet another mentally
challenged, troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered:


But not every car. In my car the pedal to the left when pressed allows
the car to roll freely, yet you can't accelerate either.

....and troll-feeding senile idiot no.5 (or is that 7) couldn't resist taking
the abnormal sociopathic attention whore's latest idiotic bait! BG

On Fri, 31 May 2019 01:51:20 +0100, Mayayana wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| What is a "control box"?

The cluster at the top right of a window (in Windows),
typically with minimize, maximize/normal, and close buttons.
The correlate on a Mac would be those 3 adorable gumdrops
in the upper left.

How is having them all on the left any better or worse than having them all on the right?

| I have a trackball that lets me put the focus on the default,
| so I rarely think about it, except the rare cases where I
| accidentally click the wrong button *because* of that feature.
|
| I never want anything to default for me. How does your computer know what
you're going to want?
|
It doesn't. The trackball software makes the mouse
cursor jump to the focused element. (The button that
has a dotted line around it, which would be clicked if
you pressed Enter.) Something is always default the
focused element. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to
tab around. Likewise with files in a folder. The selected
item shows as selected, but if nothing is selected there's
still a focused item.

Neither button should be focussed until you press tab. But then most people just use the mouse anyway.

Ideally, the programmer who wrote the software has
designed it as well as possible to predict your needs.
But typically that's Yes or OK, because typically it's
asking you to confirm: "Are you sure you want to delete
that file?" You already did delete it, so you probably intend
to answer yes.

But yes is more dangerous. I don't want to tell it to delete something, shortly followed by "yes of course I meant to.... oh ****!"

| Nothing should ever be focused, this means you could select it by pressing
space or enter when you're in the middle of something else.

In most situations focus won't do that. It does with
buttons in a msgbox because there's no selecting them.
But with files in a folder it just sets the position where
tab presses will proceed from.

But it's true that could happen with a selection. You
could have a selection in a folder window, then switch
to Notepad. If you somehow accidentally shift the
active window back to the folder when you're trying
to go to the next line in Notepad then you'll end up
opening the selected file or folder. That's life. Using
a computer is a risky venture. Be sure you're
strapped in and don't forget to take your antispasm
pills before setting hand to mouse or keyboard.

When applications steal focus, anything can happen.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| You must have some odd software. Microsoft switched
| that behavior years ago, so that a msgbox popped up
| by a window without focus goes to a flashing box on the
| taskbar, rather than stealing focus. Software developers
| can steal focus only by using hacks that are impolite and
| bad design. I think Imgburn might do that in some cases.
| I can't think of any other software that does.
|
| I can't remember which ones do, but there are many and it happens
frequently. Maybe they're older versions?

That wouldn't matter. In the old days MS left it to
programmers to be polite. Then (Win98? I'm not sure)
they decided to block the option to put a window
on top. It can still be done using a hack to hijack
the active window, but in general it's passive functionality:
If you show a msgbox when something else is active,
it goes to the taskbar.

.....But I might have to eat my
words. In general it seems to me that it works that way,
even to a fault. Sometimes a message can get hidden
and hold things up. But I just tried a test, running a script
to show a message after a 6 second delay and it ends up
popping in front while I'm writing this!

Maybe the behavior varies for UI software vs something
running in the background? I don't know.

On Fri, 31 May 2019 09:39:30 -0400, Mayayana, another obviously brain dead,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:

That wouldn't matter.

ALL that matters to him is whether you will take his silly baits or not, you
silly senile troll-feeding idiot! tsk

"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| The cluster at the top right of a window (in Windows),
| typically with minimize, maximize/normal, and close buttons.
| The correlate on a Mac would be those 3 adorable gumdrops
| in the upper left.
|
| How is having them all on the left any better or worse than having them
all on the right?
|

I wouldn't say it is. But it would be nice if people
standardized. It's worse on the left *for me* because
I'm used to the right.

Standardization in all things seems to be getting lost.
Mostly it's companies trying to make more money. Apple
does that with connectors and media. They continually
stop support for established standards. They even
made their own irregular screw drive to prevent people
getting into their own devices. But it's not just Apple.
I now have a collection of bits just for screws: slot and
phillips have gradually been joined by several sizes of
square and star drive. Staples for one stapler won't
fit another. Some years ago I bought a shopvac at
Target and couldn't get bags for it 6 months later.
Target switched to a different model of "Dirt Devil" and
the manufacturer made the bags incompatible! The real
kicker was that the Target manager saw no problem with
that. To this day I have to custom-fit a standard
vacuum cleaner bag to my Dirt Devil vacuum. And
they're definitely not getting my business again.

And remotes.... I have several for TV, DVD, blueray,
etc. Every one has buttons in different places. I have
to turn up the lights to find stop, pause, or FF because
I can't remember them all. They all have the same
buttons, but all in different places.

.....Sorry. This stuff turns me into Andy Rooney.