video editor?

Hi,

What is a good video editor?

Prefer native Windows or native HP.


--
Minister Dale Kelly, Ph.D.
https://www.dalekelly.org/
Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner
Board Certified Alternative Medical Practitioner

On 24/04/2020 23:31, dale wrote:
Hi,

What is a good video editor?

The good ones are from Adobe and Corel depending on your budget, of course.

The consumer versions costs less than 70 bucks but professional versions
are subscription only.

I suggest search for

Adobe Premiere Elements

Corel Video Studio

Corel comes with screem capture software as well while Adobe DOESN'T.

TechSmith Camtasia is mainly for screen capture but there is nothing to
stop a user from editing personal videos in it.



Prefer native Windows or native HP.

What is native HP?Â* Remind me please.



--
With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

On 4/24/2020 7:01 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 24/04/2020 23:31, dale wrote:
Hi,

What is a good video editor?

The good ones are from Adobe and Corel depending on your budget, of course.

The consumer versions costs less than 70 bucks but professional versions
are subscription only.

I suggest search for

Adobe Premiere Elements

Corel Video Studio

Corel comes with screem capture software as well while Adobe DOESN'T.

TechSmith Camtasia is mainly for screen capture but there is nothing to
stop a user from editing personal videos in it.



I took a quick look at the above. Costly for what may be more than I need.



Prefer native Windows or native HP.

What is native HP?Â* Remind me please.




HP is Hewlett Packard. I have an HP laptop.

--
Minister Dale Kelly, Ph.D.
https://www.dalekelly.org/
Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner
Board Certified Alternative Medical Practitioner

On 25/04/2020 00:22, dale wrote:
On 4/24/2020 7:01 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 24/04/2020 23:31, dale wrote:
Hi,

What is a good video editor?

The good ones are from Adobe and Corel depending on your budget, of
course.

The consumer versions costs less than 70 bucks but professional
versions are subscription only.

I suggest search for

Adobe Premiere Elements

Corel Video Studio

Corel comes with screem capture software as well while Adobe DOESN'T.

TechSmith Camtasia is mainly for screen capture but there is nothing
to stop a user from editing personal videos in it.



I took a quick look at the above. Costly for what may be more than I
need.



Prefer native Windows or native HP.

What is native HP?Â* Remind me please.




HP is Hewlett Packard. I have an HP laptop.

Ah!!, I now remember a company called HP but didn't know it had native
software.Â* At one time they only used Windows and even something called
Linux but now they seem to be using something else it seems.

So these native HP software, can they be installed on Microsoft
Operating System on my DELL machine or even on that thing called Linux -
which I know nothing about?Â* Just wondered.


--
With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

What is a good video editor?

Prefer native Windows or native HP.

Avidemux is good for cutting or merging clips. Cuts on I-frames only,
but no reencoding required.
Softpedia: https://bit.ly/3eOQVpy

VSDC Free has a higher learning curve but has a separate edit interface
that's simpler than the other tasks. Frame-by-frame or second-by-second
cutting. Lots of special effects and transitions.
Softpedia: https://bit.ly/3aDdWbo

On 24/04/2020 23:31:31, dale wrote:
Hi,

What is a good video editor?

Prefer native Windows or native HP.

Videopad, easy to use: https://www.nchsoftware.com/videopad/index.html

Steeper learning curve but Davinci Resolve is also good.
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/pro...avinciresolve/

--
mick

"dale" wrote

| What is a good video editor?
|
| Prefer native Windows or native HP.

Avidemux. No contest. It's like Photoshop
for video, and free. (And for audio files,
Audacity.)

On 4/24/2020 7:33 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 25/04/2020 00:22, dale wrote:
On 4/24/2020 7:01 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 24/04/2020 23:31, dale wrote:
Hi,

What is a good video editor?

The good ones are from Adobe and Corel depending on your budget, of
course.

The consumer versions costs less than 70 bucks but professional
versions are subscription only.

I suggest search for

Adobe Premiere Elements

Corel Video Studio

Corel comes with screem capture software as well while Adobe DOESN'T.

TechSmith Camtasia is mainly for screen capture but there is nothing
to stop a user from editing personal videos in it.



I took a quick look at the above. Costly for what may be more than I
need.



Prefer native Windows or native HP.

What is native HP?Â* Remind me please.




HP is Hewlett Packard. I have an HP laptop.

Ah!!, I now remember a company called HP but didn't know it had native
software.Â* At one time they only used Windows and even something called
Linux but now they seem to be using something else it seems.

So these native HP software, can they be installed on Microsoft
Operating System on my DELL machine or even on that thing called Linux -
which I know nothing about?Â* Just wondered.



I think HP mainly has software for their own computers. Just me thinking


--
Minister Dale Kelly, Ph.D.
https://www.dalekelly.org/
Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner
Board Certified Alternative Medical Practitioner

On 4/24/2020 6:31 PM, dale wrote:
Hi,

What is a good video editor?

Prefer native Windows or native HP.



I don't see myself doing any frame-by-frame editing.

Crop, resize, color adjustment, etc.


--
Minister Dale Kelly, Ph.D.
https://www.dalekelly.org/
Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner
Board Certified Alternative Medical Practitioner

On 4/24/2020 8:53 PM, dale wrote:
On 4/24/2020 6:31 PM, dale wrote:
Hi,

What is a good video editor?

Prefer native Windows or native HP.



I don't see myself doing any frame-by-frame editing.

Crop, resize, color adjustment, etc.



file conversion

need mp4 and ogg input/output

--
Minister Dale Kelly, Ph.D.
https://www.dalekelly.org/
Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner
Board Certified Alternative Medical Practitioner

In response to what dale wrote :

Crop, resize, color adjustment, etc.



file conversion

need mp4 and ogg input/output

Hi Dale,

You've helped me and I want to pay you back with a bit of help.

I don't do much (if any) video editing, but I have _converted_ videos, and
I've spliced and cut off ends, and little things like that.

All using Shotcut Windows freeware.
o https://www.shotcutapp.com/download/

As far as I know, it's actively developed, and there were tons and tons of
videos on how to do things with it (since no fully functional video editor
is easy to use, IMHO).

If I look in my c:\software\editor\video\ archives, I see others such as:
o Adobe Premiere free (check the details)
https://www.techspot.com/downloads/5...iere-free.html
http://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/..._Ret-NH_UE.zip

o AviSynth
http://avisynth.nl/index.php/Main_Page

o KDEnlive
https://files.kde.org/kdenlive/release/

For _conversion_, as I said, I don't think you can beat Shotcut, but the
canonical video conversion utility "used" to be Super (before it went over
to the dark side).

In my c:\software\editor\video\convert folder, I have:
o avidemux
o avisynth
o handbrake
o oxelon
o super
o totallyfreeconverter
o virtualdub

Where this readme in that folder might help you and others:
o ShotCut freeware pretty much handles everything fantastically
https://www.shotcutapp.com/download/
o Handbrake freeware is cross platform compatible
https://handbrake.fr/
o Super freeware used to be the best (but get the older versions!)
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/SUPER/old-versions (no longer there)
o Others are VirtualDub, AviDemux, AviSynth, oxelon, totallyfreeconverter
https://sourceforge.net/projects/virtualdub/files/virtualdub-win/
https://sourceforge.net/projects/avidemux/files/latest/download
https://sourceforge.net/projects/avisynth2/files/latest/download
http://www.oxelon.com/media_converter.html
https://sourceforge.net/projects/oxelonmediaconv/files/oxelonmediaconv/oxelonplugins/oxelonplugins.exe/download
http://www.sabsoft.com/TotallyFreeConverter.htm

o And the US/Euro patents expired on ffmpeg so you no longer need lame
https://www.ffmpeg.org/legal.html
--
The cost of freeware is in the testing to find which is the best to use.

dale wrote:
On 4/24/2020 8:53 PM, dale wrote:
On 4/24/2020 6:31 PM, dale wrote:
Hi,

What is a good video editor?

Prefer native Windows or native HP.



I don't see myself doing any frame-by-frame editing.

Crop, resize, color adjustment, etc.



file conversion

need mp4 and ogg input/output


For conversion, there is FFMPEG.

It's command line.

Various other programs, may have a copy of FFMPEG or libAV
inside, and they call such a program to get their conversion
done.

https://ffmpeg.zeranoe.com/builds/

Version - 20200424 is the nightly version (someone is editing source)
- 4.2.2 below it is the stable version ===
Arch - Windows 64 bit (common for a lot of users) ===
Linking - Static (no DLLs needed, all items boiled into EXE) ===

After you've clicked the selectors, download it.
Use the blue "Download Build" button.

One aspect of the movie business, is the "container".
some.mkv , some.avi , some.mov (Apple) are examples.
The file extension is a "hint" in Windows, to the software,
as to what container is desired.

Inside a container are "streams". There can be more than two.
When you operate Windows Media Center and record live TV, the
container has four or five streams.

In other situations (your webcam), there can be two streams,
a video stream and an audio stream. These are multiplexed,
because in the time domain, the video plays at 30 frames per
second, the audio plays at, say 44.1Khz or whatever. You
might see, in the stream, a number of audio packets, for
each video packet.

A,A,A,V,A,A,A,V

The streams have numbers. I have an audio stream 0 and a video
stream 0. The only purpose of the number, is when there are
a large number of streams, you tell the tool *which* stream
you want. Maybe on TV, there is a French audio and an English
audio and a Spanish audio. You might seek to remove two of the
audio streams, and keep the third stream.

The video stream uses a CODEC. That specifies within the packets,
how the video is coded. There are a lot of different means,
because the compression differs between them. Some of the CODEC
designs, are designed for Hollywood movies. Some of the CODECs
might be good for "talking heads", and have particularly
low bitrates for that purpose.

*******

FFMPEG from Zeranoe is a portable application.

ffmpeg-4.2.2-win32-static.zip 60,404,988 bytes

If you unpack the ZIP, the folders are

bin\
doc\
presets\
README.txt

Create a folder somewhere for the package. Copy
the bin\, doc\, presets\ there.

C:\ffmpeg\bin
C:\ffmpeg\doc
C:\ffmpeg\presets

To use, open a Command Prompt window

Start : Run "cmd"

In the command prompt window, change directory, to the path above.

cd /d C:\ffmpeg\bin

ffmpeg --help

A bunch of "stuff" fills the screen, the help text for the
application.

Alternately, in File Explorer, you can navigate to the "doc"
folder and double-click "ffmpeg-all.html" and view the fine
manual there.

*******

As an example, here I'm converting an AVI I got from a WinTV
capture card, to a DVD format. The conversion is two pass. The
first pass with the "NUL" line, dumps a small file which
keeps track of the datarate in the movie. For example, there's
a big explosion with flames rushing up a hallway, and for the
movie compressor to handle that, it needs a very high datarate.
By doing the first pass and keeping the datarate file, the
second pass can plan a "strategy" for the VBR (variable bitrate)
output. It can make sure the buffer is empty before the explosion
shows up, it can use the maxrate for a short time, to encode the
flames without "macroblock spill" and a mess. The second pass
produces a .vob file, something you might see on a DVD video
disc. The second pass looks for the datarate file and reads
it while doing the encoding process.

ffmpeg -i G:\WORK\Star_Wars_New_Hope_20113.avi -target ntsc-dvd
-aspect 4:3 -g 12 -b:v 3900k -maxrate 8000000 -minrate 0
-bufsize 1835008 -pass 1 -y NUL

ffmpeg -i G:\WORK\Star_Wars_New_Hope_20113.avi -target ntsc-dvd
-aspect 4:3 -g 12 -b:v 3900k -maxrate 8000000 -minrate 0
-bufsize 1835008 -pass 2 F:\output.vob

My input is coming from the G: partition.
My output is going to the F:\ root partition.

In this example, I copied a video track and an audio track
into my C:\FFMPEG\bin folder first. This is an example of
"multiplexing" to make a final video. The copy option in this
case applies to both streams. It's possible as well, to specify
copy-mode for just one stream, and conversion for the second stream,
before making the final movie with the two-streams in it.

ffmpeg -i video.mp4 -i audio.m4a -c copy output.mp4

In this example, I'm recording my screen in Windows, but just
a section of the screen, not the whole screen. There is
a technique for learning the name of your audio device,
which isn't entirely obvious :-) Your sound device will
have a different name than mine.

ffmpeg -offset_x 0 -offset_y 480 -video_size 720x480 -framerate 60
-f gdigrab -i desktop -f dshow -sample_rate 44100 -i audio="SoundMAX HD Audio"
-vcodec mjpeg -acodec pcm_s16le out.avi

In this example, I'm "being careful" to properly code a video
for TV purposes. The rate of 30000/1001 is a "simple integer"
specification for frame rate. The frame rate I want is known
as 29.94FPS, and the specification here makes precisely that
value with no roundoff error.

ffmpeg -r 30000/1001 -i file.avi -c:v ffv1
-af "volume=6.02dB" -ac 2 -c:a pcm_s16le out.mkv

I'm selecting a video CODEC for output of "ffv1".

I'm selecting an audio CODEC for output of "pcm_s16le",
which as far as I know, is similar to a .wav file. It's
not a compressed format, and does not tread on any patented
technologies.

I turned up the volume on the movie, by adding 6.02dB
to the audio signal. I told the encoder that the video
has two channels (stereo) via "-ac 2", because the thing
is too stupid to know that on its own.

And that example, is an example of conversion, where I'm
speccing the output movie to be ffv1cm .

You can do all sorts of stuff with ffmpeg, but of course
crafting each command is painful. Most of the examples
I have in my journal file, were scraped from web forum
conversations, then tested. I look through these
sometimes, to figure out what to do.

You can probably do *every* operation that's in avidemux
in FFMPEG. You can crop or scale. You can do edits.
I think I did a fade once in there. And so on. Each
simplistic operation takes all afternoon to look up
and test.

*******

ffmpeg input output # this program does conversions

ffprobe input # this program prints out info about
# the CODECs in the input movie. I learn
# my source info this way.

ffplay output # I can enjoy my output using the player.
# Might be a good way to notice there
# is no sound, then go back to ffprobe and
# prove there is no audio stream.

*******

A tool like Handbrake, will do conversions too. But you
as the user, have to be aware of some of the above rubbish,
and realize you need to set a few things, to get a desired
result. In a way, you might think of it as a "GUI" for
FFMPEG, but it still does not absolve you from responsibility.
If you upload crap to Youtube, they don't take pity on
you. You still need to be "the master of all things"
to obtain a good result, whether it's typing in very long
lines of commands into command prompt, or using some Lazy-Joe
GUI program to do the work. You can't tell good workmanshop
without ffprobing and checking the output is what you
think it is. This can be especially true of making DVDs
for yourself.

Paul

In response to what Paul wrote :

Various other programs, may have a copy of FFMPEG or libAV
inside, and they call such a program to get their conversion
done.

Hi Paul,
Do you or anyone here have a short summary on the "status" of FFMPEG?

This is all I know... (which I already posted to Dale prior)...
o The US/Euro patents expired on ffmpeg so you no longer need lame
https://www.ffmpeg.org/legal.html

I never deal directly with FFMPEG; I just download it when a program needs
it (e.g., the youtubedl.exe conversion utility, as one example, or Audacity
as another).

And even then, I just download from whatever link that program tells me to.
(That is, I don't think all that much about it. I just get it.)

For decades (it seems), programs have called FFMPEG but we had to often get
the FFMPEG (or LAME) separately due to these patent restrictions (AFAIK).

I don't need anyone to research it as I'm just curious; but if someone
already knows what the current status of FFMPEG is, it would be nice to get
a summary 'cuz it would be nice if these programs that "use" FFMPEG would
just come with it already as part of the code.
--
The high expense of freeware is in the testing required to find the best.

Arlen Holder wrote:
In response to what Paul wrote :

Various other programs, may have a copy of FFMPEG or libAV
inside, and they call such a program to get their conversion
done.

Hi Paul,
Do you or anyone here have a short summary on the "status" of FFMPEG?

This is all I know... (which I already posted to Dale prior)... o The
US/Euro patents expired on ffmpeg so you no longer need lame
https://www.ffmpeg.org/legal.html

I never deal directly with FFMPEG; I just download it when a program needs
it (e.g., the youtubedl.exe conversion utility, as one example, or Audacity
as another).
And even then, I just download from whatever link that program tells me to.
(That is, I don't think all that much about it. I just get it.)

For decades (it seems), programs have called FFMPEG but we had to often get
the FFMPEG (or LAME) separately due to these patent restrictions (AFAIK).

I don't need anyone to research it as I'm just curious; but if someone
already knows what the current status of FFMPEG is, it would be nice to get
a summary 'cuz it would be nice if these programs that "use" FFMPEG would
just come with it already as part of the code.

May 1, 2017 - MP3 is now officially patent free : gamedev - Reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/com...y_patent_free/

That's three years ago.

If you do "ffmpeg -codecs" and libmp3lame is mentioned in
the output, *AND* the program does not use DLLs also in the
folder, then the library must have been compiled into the executable.

This means the copy I have where the version string says "2014",
that copy "illegally" included the LAME encoder. But as of 2017,
such an inclusion would then be free of patents, so they could
include it.

At a guess.

You might find that Audacity no longer has a "separate ceremony"
for the MP3 part.

Paul

In response to what Paul wrote :

You might find that Audacity no longer has a "separate ceremony"
for the MP3 part.

Hi Paul,

That's all I would want, as it usually doesn't matter to me _how_ a program
(such as audacity or the youtubedl.exe) does its conversion to MP3.

If all the programs today _include_ the FFMPEG binaries, I'm happy.

It was strange to always have to download it separately in the past, but, I
admit I haven't _needed_ to download anything in years (since my software
repository is already full of the best freeware I've ever needed).

Let's keep tuned for what others post as to whether we still need to get
FFMPEG separately for the canonical freeware programs that used it.