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Having two virtual keyboards and the problems it can cause.
Two stories.
1) Yesterday, in win7 fwiw, in Firefox, in the searchbox to the right or the url box, I'm typing a search word and I notice it's coming out in a different alphabet (from my other virtual keyboard). I change the keyboard and it still does not come out in English. I cnange back again, no change. I go to another window of FF, no change (I didn't think that would work.) Finally I typed very carefully and ignored what it showed in the search box and the list of suggestions was in English and included what I had tried to type!!! Clicking on that worked fine. 2) Trying to log into Amazon. Amazon has you put the userid first, and you know if you got it right because it comes back with your email address. That's good. So many pages won't tell you if your userid is wrong or your password. I hate that. I put in my password and it complains. I type it in more slowly and it still doesn't like it I look it up to see if I'm right, and I am. I type it even more slowly and now it wants to write me. I just happen to notice that in the little box between the task bar and the systray, it's not showing English. This little area is optional and if I'd chosen not to have it, I'd have no indication why my password was not accepted. Amazon only shows asterisks. I change the keyboard and it works fine. Why doesn't Amazon, and everyone else, let you see what you've typed for the password? Until a couple years ago, their answer could have been, Didn't think of it. But now 10 or 20% of pages let you display it if you choose. What's wrong with the other 80%? Is this some power trip by web designers? Are they sadists? Abused as children? |
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Having two virtual keyboards and the problems it can cause.
On 8/31/2020 10:36 AM, micky wrote [in part]:
Two stories. 1) [snipped] 2) Trying to log into Amazon. Amazon has you put the userid first, and you know if you got it right because it comes back with your email address. That's good. So many pages won't tell you if your userid is wrong or your password. I hate that. I put in my password and it complains. I type it in more slowly and it still doesn't like it I look it up to see if I'm right, and I am. I type it even more slowly and now it wants to write me. I just happen to notice that in the little box between the task bar and the systray, it's not showing English. This little area is optional and if I'd chosen not to have it, I'd have no indication why my password was not accepted. Amazon only shows asterisks. I change the keyboard and it works fine. Why doesn't Amazon, and everyone else, let you see what you've typed for the password? Until a couple years ago, their answer could have been, Didn't think of it. But now 10 or 20% of pages let you display it if you choose. What's wrong with the other 80%? Is this some power trip by web designers? Are they sadists? Abused as children? For older versions of Firefox (and SeaMonkey, too), there is an extension Show my Password from http://netcat.ath.cx/extensions.html, which is now defunct. Because so many extensions have no equivalent in newer versions of SeaMonkey, I am still using version 2.49.5 and thus still am using Show my Password. To see an input password, I select the string of dots or asterisks and right-click. If I do not see it, I repeat the process since the extension shows the password on only alternating tries. The password remains visible for several seconds, long enough to copy its actual value. I have archived installer files of all the extensions I use. If you too are using an older version of Firefox that is still compatible with .xpi extensions and if you want Show my Password, reply in this newsgroup thread. I will then make it available to you. -- David E. Ross That Flag: http://www.rossde.com/editorials/edtl_conf_flag.html A TV ad in support of re-electing President Trump and featuring Vice-President Pence is sponsored by America First Policy. In the 1930s, "America First" was the name of a movement in the United States that supported Hitler and the Nazis. |
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Having two virtual keyboards and the problems it can cause.
On 31 Aug 2020 at 18:36:17 BST, "micky" wrote:
Two stories. 1) Yesterday, in win7 fwiw, in Firefox, in the searchbox to the right or the url box, I'm typing a search word and I notice it's coming out in a different alphabet (from my other virtual keyboard). I change the keyboard and it still does not come out in English. I cnange back again, no change. I go to another window of FF, no change (I didn't think that would work.) Finally I typed very carefully and ignored what it showed in the search box and the list of suggestions was in English and included what I had tried to type!!! Clicking on that worked fine. 2) Trying to log into Amazon. Amazon has you put the userid first, and you know if you got it right because it comes back with your email address. That's good. So many pages won't tell you if your userid is wrong or your password. I hate that. That's a security feature so that potential hackers can't use the system to verify valid usernames/emails. Which is why most forms don't tell you which of your username or password is wrong if you fail to login correctly. Good 'forgot my password' systems also don't confirm whether your recovery email is valid. They normally say something like, "If your email is recognised you will receive a password recovery email shortly." I put in my password and it complains. I type it in more slowly and it still doesn't like it I look it up to see if I'm right, and I am. I type it even more slowly and now it wants to write me. I just happen to notice that in the little box between the task bar and the systray, it's not showing English. This little area is optional and if I'd chosen not to have it, I'd have no indication why my password was not accepted. Amazon only shows asterisks. I change the keyboard and it works fine. Why doesn't Amazon, and everyone else, let you see what you've typed for the password? Until a couple years ago, their answer could have been, Didn't think of it. But now 10 or 20% of pages let you display it if you choose. What's wrong with the other 80%? Is this some power trip by web designers? Are they sadists? Abused as children? Use a password manager. No messing with keyboard layouts, languages, CAPS LOCK or even checking you've selected the correct input box. Just double-click your password entry and you're in! They are genuine life changers. I've been using them for about 5-6 years and could never go back. |
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Having two virtual keyboards and the problems it can cause.
On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 10:24:22 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
Use a password manager. No messing with keyboard layouts, languages, CAPS LOCK or even checking you've selected the correct input box. Just double-click your password entry and you're in! Or with some, you don't even have to do that. Set up a hotkey in the password manager's settings, and then run the password manager in the background. On whatever site's login screen, hit the hotkey combination and it fills in username and password. They are genuine life changers. I've been using them for about 5-6 years and could never go back. Me too. I've even put in things like credit card numbers, so that when buying on line I don't have to go and fetch my wallet to look at the physical card, or the combination to the lock on the shed, so I don't have to worry about forgetting it. -- Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/ https://OakRoadSystems.com/ Shikata ga nai... |
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Having two virtual keyboards and the problems it can cause.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 1 Sep 2020 14:42:03 -0700, Stan Brown
wrote: On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 10:24:22 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: Use a password manager. No messing with keyboard layouts, languages, CAPS LOCK or even checking you've selected the correct input box. Just double-click your password entry and you're in! Or with some, you don't even have to do that. Set up a hotkey in the password manager's settings, and then run the password manager in the background. On whatever site's login screen, hit the hotkey combination and it fills in username and password. Well these are the most ringing endorsements I've seen for password managers. Which ones do you guys use? They are genuine life changers. I've been using them for about 5-6 years and could never go back. Me too. I've even put in things like credit card numbers, so that Well, my wallet is usually downstairs and the computer upstairs so that I have, disguised, in a file on my computer. when buying on line I don't have to go and fetch my wallet to look at the physical card, or the combination to the lock on the shed, so I don't have to worry about forgetting it. And I have lots of other things in the same file, library account number, drivers license number, every cell phone number I've had, COA number for my laptop and desktop, what ports email servers use, etc. etc. |
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Having two virtual keyboards and the problems it can cause.
On 9/1/2020 5:24 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 1 Sep 2020 14:42:03 -0700, Stan Brown wrote: On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 10:24:22 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: Use a password manager. No messing with keyboard layouts, languages, CAPS LOCK or even checking you've selected the correct input box. Just double-click your password entry and you're in! Or with some, you don't even have to do that. Set up a hotkey in the password manager's settings, and then run the password manager in the background. On whatever site's login screen, hit the hotkey combination and it fills in username and password. Well these are the most ringing endorsements I've seen for password managers. Which ones do you guys use? They are genuine life changers. I've been using them for about 5-6 years and could never go back. Me too. I've even put in things like credit card numbers, so that Well, my wallet is usually downstairs and the computer upstairs so that I have, disguised, in a file on my computer. when buying on line I don't have to go and fetch my wallet to look at the physical card, or the combination to the lock on the shed, so I don't have to worry about forgetting it. And I have lots of other things in the same file, library account number, drivers license number, every cell phone number I've had, COA number for my laptop and desktop, what ports email servers use, etc. etc. I use the password managers that are built-in for SeaMonkey (which I use only as a browser) and Thunderbird. One thing I like about them is that the password databases are local to my PC and not on some server at an outside service, which is a prime target for hackers. I catagorize my credentials (user IDs plus passwords) into three groups. * The least sensitive are those used merely to obtain my desired configuration at a Web site. An example is the TV listing site operated by gracenote.com. Since there are several differing channel lineups even within Spectrum let alone among other cable and satellite providers, I need to login to see what shows are on what channels. These also include those use to login to discussion forums. I keep these on my PC in a plain-text file. * Truly sensitive are those used to login to sites where I make a purchases. I keep these on my PC in an encrypted file. * Exceptionally sensitive are those used to login to sites for banking, investing, taxes, and utilities and also for my modem, router, E-mail hosting, and personal Web site hosting. I keep these on my PC in an encrypted file separately from the truly sensitive. I also periodically change the passwords on all of these. The master pass phrases (not a mere password) for decrypting the encrypted files of the truly and exceptionally sensitive credentials exist only in my head and sealed in an envelope in a bank vault. I use a high-powered file-erase application to erase the decrypted files as soon as I am done with using them. -- David E. Ross That Flag: http://www.rossde.com/editorials/edtl_conf_flag.html A TV ad in support of re-electing President Trump and featuring Vice-President Pence is sponsored by America First Policy. In the 1930s, "America First" was the name of a movement in the United States that supported Hitler and the Nazis. |
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Having two virtual keyboards and the problems it can cause.
On Tue, 01 Sep 2020 20:24:14 -0400, micky wrote:
Well these are the most ringing endorsements I've seen for password managers. Which ones do you guys use? I use KeePass: https://keepass.info/ KeePass works only locally, but of course you can use the cloud to sync your password file with different devices. (I don't, because "There is no cloud: it's just someone else's computer." I use a USB stick.) Here's a general rundown from a site I generally trust: https://www.howtogeek.com/240255/pas...ared-lastpass- vs-keepass-vs-dashlane-vs-1password/ And this Google search will give you lots more articles from How-To Geek: password managers site:howtogeek.com -- Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/ https://OakRoadSystems.com/ Shikata ga nai... |
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Having two virtual keyboards and the problems it can cause.
micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 1 Sep 2020 14:42:03 -0700, Stan Brown wrote: On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 10:24:22 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: Use a password manager. No messing with keyboard layouts, languages, CAPS LOCK or even checking you've selected the correct input box. Just double-click your password entry and you're in! Or with some, you don't even have to do that. Set up a hotkey in the password manager's settings, and then run the password manager in the background. On whatever site's login screen, hit the hotkey combination and it fills in username and password. Well these are the most ringing endorsements I've seen for password managers. Which ones do you guys use? I used to use KeepassX , but got fed up with the lack of browser integration so I now use Enpass. https://www.enpass.io/ I like it because it isn't cloud-based so your manager file is always local and you can choose to sync it across devices with your choice of one of the many dropbox-like services available. It's free on the desktop, but costs on mobile if you have more than 25 entries. Makes it really easy to dip your toes in. They are genuine life changers. I've been using them for about 5-6 years and could never go back. Me too. I've even put in things like credit card numbers, so that Well, my wallet is usually downstairs and the computer upstairs so that I have, disguised, in a file on my computer. when buying on line I don't have to go and fetch my wallet to look at the physical card, or the combination to the lock on the shed, so I don't have to worry about forgetting it. And I have lots of other things in the same file, library account number, drivers license number, every cell phone number I've had, COA number for my laptop and desktop, what ports email servers use, etc. etc. Well you're already doing everything a password manager does, but in an insecure, non-portable and complicated way. |
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Having two virtual keyboards and the problems it can cause.
On 9/1/2020 5:24 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 1 Sep 2020 14:42:03 -0700, Stan Brown wrote: On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 10:24:22 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: Use a password manager. No messing with keyboard layouts, languages, CAPS LOCK or even checking you've selected the correct input box. Just double-click your password entry and you're in! Or with some, you don't even have to do that. Set up a hotkey in the password manager's settings, and then run the password manager in the background. On whatever site's login screen, hit the hotkey combination and it fills in username and password. Well these are the most ringing endorsements I've seen for password managers. Which ones do you guys use? You'll likely get different answers from different people. LastPass seems to be the most popular, but I personally prefer EnPass. Since I'm a belt and suspenders kind of guy, I also keep all my passwords (and also some other info) in KeyPass, so I've got something if EnPass suddenly dies. -- Ken |
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Having two virtual keyboards and the problems it can cause.
On 9/2/2020 12:20 AM, Chris wrote:
micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 1 Sep 2020 14:42:03 -0700, Stan Brown wrote: On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 10:24:22 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: Use a password manager. No messing with keyboard layouts, languages, CAPS LOCK or even checking you've selected the correct input box. Just double-click your password entry and you're in! Or with some, you don't even have to do that. Set up a hotkey in the password manager's settings, and then run the password manager in the background. On whatever site's login screen, hit the hotkey combination and it fills in username and password. Well these are the most ringing endorsements I've seen for password managers. Which ones do you guys use? I used to use KeepassX , but got fed up with the lack of browser integration so I now use Enpass. https://www.enpass.io/ I like it because it isn't cloud-based so your manager file is always local and you can choose to sync it across devices with your choice of one of the many dropbox-like services available. It's free on the desktop, but costs on mobile if you have more than 25 entries. Makes it really easy to dip your toes in. Ditto. I also use and like Enpass, but I still keep and also use Key, because I'm a belt and suspenders kind of guy.I also keep Keypass for two other reasons. 1. Sometimes I need to enter a password into a program, rather than onto a web site, and I find it easier to use Keypass for that. 2. I keep other things besides passwords there, such as family social Security numbers, safe combination. |
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