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Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?



 
 
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  #76  
Old February 16th 17, 08:57 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?

On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 20:02:00 +0100, android wrote:

Oki... So this is a Microsoft project that wants donations...

"It started development as an undergraduate college senior design
project mentored by Microsoft, and is currently being maintained by some
of the alumni that originally worked on it. Originally intended as a
free replacement for the Microsoft Paint software that comes with
Windows..."

http://www.getpaint.net/donate.html


The great thing about Paint.NET is that the designers implemented the
*simplest* and most direct way to add arrows, text, and bounding boxes (far
better than the way most programs do those three tasks).

The terrible thing about Paint.NET is the .NET Framwork requirement (which
sucks) and the lack of portability to Linux (which I use half the time).

The *closest* I can get to Paint.NET's three features of adding text,
curving arrows, and bounding boxes, is KolourPaint - but KolourPaint is a
distant second to Paint.NET (e.g., you have to deal with text boxes and the
arrows aren't nearly as extensible with respect to features).

In the not-too-distant future is supposed to be "Pinta", which I tested
years ago, and was appalled that the developers didn't even *understand*
the crown jewel of Paint.NET was its ease of doing simple operatings.

At the time I tested Pinta and gave my feedback to the developers, I was
very disappointed in their lack of understanding that eliminating just one
or two steps out of an operating is a big deal.

It was like comparing a Panasonic MP3 player to an iPod.
Night and day with respect to simplicity.

Sure, they both played MP3 songs; but Steve Jobs had it right on the
simplicity of the iPod.

These Pinta developers were like the Panasonic MP3 player developers.
It played MP3 songs, and that was all they cared about.

So I gave up on testing Pinta further.

I haven't tested Pinta since.
Have any of you tested Pinta?

Did the developers finally see the light?
Is it ready for prime time yet?
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  #77  
Old February 16th 17, 09:04 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?

In article , Stijn De Jong
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Oh, I've found Apple's Preview; but it has been a long time since I last
used Preview to create arrows (where it failed miserably to do the simplest
of things).


nonsense. it's incredibly easy to create arrows and quite a bit more.
as usual, you failed and are blaming others.

view the annotate menu:
https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p
review.jpg

or directly from the toolbar:
http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png
http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png
http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png

it doesn't get any easier than that.
  #78  
Old February 16th 17, 09:04 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 14:51:16 -0500, nospam wrote:

We already tested Preview in detail for this exact purpose way back in 2014
and it failed to do simple screenshot editing tasks.


*you* failed. the app did not fail.

preview is a very capable tool to make simple edits (and even not so
simple), the types of things you've described. it's one of the more
underrated apps on a mac.


I'm not going to re-hash it out here since it's already well covered in
that thread which anyone can read so they can form their own conclusions
from the vividly outlined and well described results.

Unless you have *new* data, the conclusions are factually stated and well
supported with annotated screenshots and comparisons in that thread.

Here's the link again:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ocbY%5B1-25%5D
Subject: What is a good app for editing screenshots that does the
3 critical things well? (date October 3, 2014)
  #79  
Old February 16th 17, 09:07 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?

In article , Stijn De Jong
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We already tested Preview in detail for this exact purpose way back in 2014
and it failed to do simple screenshot editing tasks.


*you* failed. the app did not fail.

preview is a very capable tool to make simple edits (and even not so
simple), the types of things you've described. it's one of the more
underrated apps on a mac.


I'm not going to re-hash it out here since it's already well covered in
that thread


you won't rehash it because you don't want to be raked over the coals
yet again.

which anyone can read so they can form their own conclusions
from the vividly outlined and well described results.


indeed they can.

it doesn't get any easier than this:

https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p
review.jpg

http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png
http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png
http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png
  #80  
Old February 16th 17, 09:09 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In article ,
Stijn De Jong wrote:

On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:13:27 -0800, Savageduck wrote:

Then you haven't found Apple's "Preview":
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...4%20copyE2A.jp
g


Oh, I've found Apple's Preview; but it has been a long time since I last
used Preview to create arrows (where it failed miserably to do the simplest
of things).

---
Quote:
What is a good app for editing screenshots that does the 3 critical
things well?

1. Crop and size the screenshot
2. Text the screenshot (with and without underlying white space)
3. Easily circle and arrow as needed to highlight sections

All I want to know is what's the most basic screenshot editor that does
those three things.


It does the above:

Shortcut for arrow: Control+Command+A
Shortcut for oval: Control+Command+O
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https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201740
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  #81  
Old February 16th 17, 09:12 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?

On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 15:04:31 -0500, nospam wrote:

nonsense. it's incredibly easy to create arrows and quite a bit more.
as usual, you failed and are blaming others.

view the annotate menu:
https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p
review.jpg

or directly from the toolbar:
http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png
http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png
http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png

it doesn't get any easier than that.


All decent editing apps have a GUI for each of the critical tasks:
0. Cropping area
1. Adding canvas and text
2. Adding bounding boxes
3. Adding curved and straight arrows

It's *how* they accomplish those tasks that differs, and what basic options
they provide for the results which matter.

The many comparison tests in that thread were one to one, outlining the
number of steps it took and evaluating the results, for a variety of
software suggestions on the Mac.

You participated in that thread, so, unless there is *new* information
since then, the well supported well documented conclusions in that thread
are still tenably valid.

Here's the thread URL.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ocbY%5B1-25%5D
  #82  
Old February 16th 17, 09:19 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?

In article , Stijn De Jong
wrote:


nonsense. it's incredibly easy to create arrows and quite a bit more.
as usual, you failed and are blaming others.

view the annotate menu:
https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p
review.jpg

or directly from the toolbar:
http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png
http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png
http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png

it doesn't get any easier than that.


All decent editing apps have a GUI for each of the critical tasks:
0. Cropping area
1. Adding canvas and text
2. Adding bounding boxes
3. Adding curved and straight arrows


preview does all that, with the exception of curved arrows, a very
minor issue.

It's *how* they accomplish those tasks that differs, and what basic options
they provide for the results which matter.


preview is as easy as it gets.
  #83  
Old February 16th 17, 09:19 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?

On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 21:09:33 +0100, android wrote:

It does the above:

Shortcut for arrow: Control+Command+A
Shortcut for oval: Control+Command+O


Just having a menu doesn't mean it works the same, nor does it mean the
results are functionally as capable.

I can hand you a dozen kits, where they all supposedly do the same thing,
but some fly better than others, even though they all have the same basic
parts.

In that light, I have just one simple question specifically for you.

QUESTION FOR "android" only:

Have you ever used the arrowing commands in Paint.NET?
  #84  
Old February 16th 17, 09:21 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?

On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 15:07:52 -0500, nospam wrote:

you won't rehash it because you don't want to be raked over the coals
yet again.

which anyone can read so they can form their own conclusions
from the vividly outlined and well described results.


indeed they can.

it doesn't get any easier than this:

https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p
review.jpg

http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png
http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png
http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png


Just showing a menu is like showing me a kite.
They all have the same basic parts.
But some fly differently than others.
The differences are subtle, and you'll never know them unless/until you fly
the various kites, side by side, performing the same task.

Have you, nospam, ever used the arrowing feature of Paint.NET?
  #85  
Old February 16th 17, 09:21 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?

In article , nospam
wrote:

nonsense. it's incredibly easy to create arrows and quite a bit more.
as usual, you failed and are blaming others.

view the annotate menu:
https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p
review.jpg

or directly from the toolbar:
http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png
http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png
http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png

it doesn't get any easier than that.


All decent editing apps have a GUI for each of the critical tasks:
0. Cropping area
1. Adding canvas and text
2. Adding bounding boxes
3. Adding curved and straight arrows


preview does all that, with the exception of curved arrows, a very
minor issue.


actually, it does do curved arrows.
  #86  
Old February 16th 17, 09:24 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?

On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 15:19:02 -0500, nospam wrote:

All decent editing apps have a GUI for each of the critical tasks:
0. Cropping area
1. Adding canvas and text
2. Adding bounding boxes
3. Adding curved and straight arrows


preview does all that, with the exception of curved arrows, a very
minor issue.


Heh heh ... I love how you say things that are completely unsupported,
where you assume most people don't know the difference, so you get away
with it.

Then, when I show you a thread which proved otherwise, definitively, with
detailed side-by-side comparisons, then (and only then), you concede you
knew the truth all along.

I have no interest in arguing with you on this topic since it was already
hashed out in gory detail, with many side-by-side comparisons, in the
aforementioned thread, which I repeat, the URL is:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ocbY%5B1-25%5D

I will not respond further to you on this sub topic.
  #87  
Old February 16th 17, 09:36 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?

In article , Stijn De Jong
wrote:


you won't rehash it because you don't want to be raked over the coals
yet again.

which anyone can read so they can form their own conclusions
from the vividly outlined and well described results.


indeed they can.

it doesn't get any easier than this:

https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p
review.jpg

http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png
http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png
http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png


Just showing a menu is like showing me a kite.
They all have the same basic parts.
But some fly differently than others.
The differences are subtle, and you'll never know them unless/until you fly
the various kites, side by side, performing the same task.


what it's showing you is just how ridiculously simple how to do the
tasks you describe and that you refuse to learn from others, insisting
that your way is the only way.

it doesn't get any easier than a menu titled 'add arrow' under another
menu titled 'annotate', *and* with the relevant tools also on the
toolbar for those that prefer toolbars over menus. either way works.
  #88  
Old February 16th 17, 09:36 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?

In article , Stijn De Jong
wrote:


All decent editing apps have a GUI for each of the critical tasks:
0. Cropping area
1. Adding canvas and text
2. Adding bounding boxes
3. Adding curved and straight arrows


preview does all that, with the exception of curved arrows, a very
minor issue.


Heh heh ... I love how you say things that are completely unsupported,
where you assume most people don't know the difference, so you get away
with it.


everything i say is supported.

however, i did forget that preview *can* do curved arrows, which i
corrected in a subsequent post.

Then, when I show you a thread which proved otherwise, definitively, with
detailed side-by-side comparisons, then (and only then), you concede you
knew the truth all along.


i do know the truth.

preview does everything you list above and that thread confirms it.

it also confirms that there are easier ways to do what you want to do,
but you refuse to learn.

I have no interest in arguing with you on this topic since it was already
hashed out in gory detail, with many side-by-side comparisons, in the
aforementioned thread, which I repeat, the URL is:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...4ocbY%5B1-25%5
D

I will not respond further to you on this sub topic.


of course not, because once again, you've been shown to be a blithering
idiot and that thread is further evidence.
  #89  
Old February 16th 17, 09:41 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In article ,
Stijn De Jong wrote:

On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 21:09:33 +0100, android wrote:

It does the above:

Shortcut for arrow: Control+Command+A
Shortcut for oval: Control+Command+O


Just having a menu doesn't mean it works the same, nor does it mean the
results are functionally as capable.


I just tried those mentioned above. They work dandy fine! :-/

I can hand you a dozen kits, where they all supposedly do the same thing,
but some fly better than others, even though they all have the same basic
parts.

In that light, I have just one simple question specifically for you.

QUESTION FOR "android" only:

Have you ever used the arrowing commands in Paint.NET?


No. Why would I?
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Old February 16th 17, 09:43 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In article ,
nospam wrote:

In article , Stijn De Jong
wrote:


nonsense. it's incredibly easy to create arrows and quite a bit more.
as usual, you failed and are blaming others.

view the annotate menu:
https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p
review.jpg

or directly from the toolbar:
http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png
http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png
http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png

it doesn't get any easier than that.


All decent editing apps have a GUI for each of the critical tasks:
0. Cropping area
1. Adding canvas and text
2. Adding bounding boxes
3. Adding curved and straight arrows


preview does all that, with the exception of curved arrows, a very
minor issue.

It's *how* they accomplish those tasks that differs, and what basic options
they provide for the results which matter.


preview is as easy as it gets.


for web touchups? yes.
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