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July 12th 17, 06:15 PM
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Buying A Re-furb PC ?
I am buying a new PC for the #2 daughter to replace her
ancient-and-honorable Vista box (AMD Athlon LE-1620 @2.4 GHz), so the bar is not all that high. Email via Outlook client and web browsing - nothing else that I can think of. Just searching Amazon for "refurbished desktop pc windows 7" (http://tinyurl.com/ycnbzhfv) gives a number of sub-$300 boxes running Windows 7 with 4-star user ratings (albeit not a *lot* of ratings....): one of them for less than a hundred bucks. - http://tinyurl.com/yaruzzow https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Dual-Cor...p+pc+windows+7 - http://tinyurl.com/y7n53glk https://www.amazon.com/HP-8000-Perfo...p+pc+windows+7 - http://tinyurl.com/ydbhgstd https://www.amazon.com/HP-8200-Windo...p+pc+windows+7 - https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Optiplex...p+pc+windows+7 http://tinyurl.com/y8g8ayg4 I have a bunch of 1-TB drives laying around and will put one of them in the new box as the "Data" drive, so drive size is a non-issue. Not knowing anything else, I would be prone to go for one of the $240+ offerings just on GPs. Can anybody look at those four offerings and tell me if I am about to shoot myself in the foot? -- Pete Cresswell 
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July 12th 17, 06:24 PM
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Buying A Re-furb PC ?
Per (PeteCresswell):
searching Amazon FWIW, based on closer reading of reviews, this is the one that is currently calling out to me: http://tinyurl.com/y8vurdxz https://www.amazon.com/HP-8200-Windo...ews-filter-bar -- Pete Cresswell
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July 12th 17, 06:40 PM
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Buying A Re-furb PC ?
You will never know until you get it in hand !
I just bought a refurb Lenovo Win XP Pro for $125. I wanted Win XP Pro ! I was in perfect condition and like new appearance. I tested everything and it all is working like new. It looks like new too. I bought it thru Amazon from a company just a few miles from my house. They gave a limited warranty. Amazon may or may not help sort out a problem with the seller depending on their relationship with the seller. Get one and fully test it ! Do not mod it until after you fully test and use it for a while.
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July 12th 17, 06:45 PM
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Buying A Re-furb PC ?
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Not knowing anything else, I would be prone to go for one of the $240+ offerings just on GPs. Can anybody look at those four offerings and tell me if I am about to shoot myself in the foot? In my experience: I have bought two Win7 refurbs by Joy. They were both pristine and could not be distinguished from brand new. They were shrinkwrapped and smelled and looked brand new. I bought them sight-unseen via WalMart's ordering process and was very very happy with Joy-managed refurbs. In my other experience non-purchase: I have shopped many many more refurbs at a local Fry's storefront. They were routinely 'dogs' that were beat-up looking and the sales people strongly tried to dissuade me from shopping/buying their refurbs. They said that their rate of returns was extremely high. I like to buy things from storefronts when possible because I can easily return the item if there is a problem. The WalMart policy was that I could return the refurbs locally if I were unhappy with what I got. One of the problems with mail-order is that it is often tedious/difficult to return an item. From what I've learned about Fry's refurbs, I would be hesitant to buy a refurb unless it were very very simple to return the item without having to ship it back somewhere. -- Mike Easter
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July 12th 17, 06:59 PM
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Buying A Re-furb PC ?
On 12/07/2017 18:15, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
I am buying a new PC for the #2 daughter You said "Re-furb PC" in the subject so to me it means second hand (used machine). Please use standard English so that everybody can understand. Now assuming this is a used machine then don't be silly. If you love your daughter then buy her a new machine. She deserves better; She has all her life ahead of her and so Windows 10 is what she needs because that is what she would have to use at work place. DELL has some really good deals for new windows 10 machine so go and get one make your daughter happy. MAKE sure you don't buy a dead donkey again from eBay. -- With over 500 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.
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July 12th 17, 07:12 PM
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Good Guy wrote:
(PeteCresswell) wrote: I am buying a new PC for the #2 daughter You said "Re-furb PC" in the subject so to me it means second hand (used machine). Please use standard English so that everybody can understand. Not possible. The 'meaning' of refurb is all over the map. From the wp article: "The main difference between "refurbished" and "used"[1] products is that refurbished products have been tested and verified to function properly, and are thus free of defects, while "used" products may or may not be defective. Refurbished products may be unused customer returns that are essentially "new" items, or they may be defective products that were returned under warranty, and resold by the manufacturer after repairing the defects and ensuring proper function.[2]" Thus, the reputation of the refurb outfit and the background of the particular item are essential, AND *extremely* variable. -- Mike Easter
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July 12th 17, 08:04 PM
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 13:15:46 -0400
"(PeteCresswell)" wrote: I am buying a new PC for the #2 daughter to replace her ancient-and-honorable Vista box (AMD Athlon LE-1620 @2.4 GHz), so the bar is not all that high. Email via Outlook client and web browsing - nothing else that I can think of. Just searching Amazon for "refurbished desktop pc windows 7" (http://tinyurl.com/ycnbzhfv) gives a number of sub-$300 boxes running Windows 7 with 4-star user ratings (albeit not a *lot* of ratings....): one of them for less than a hundred bucks. I have a bunch of 1-TB drives laying around and will put one of them in the new box as the "Data" drive, so drive size is a non-issue. Not knowing anything else, I would be prone to go for one of the $240+ offerings just on GPs. Can anybody look at those four offerings and tell me if I am about to shoot myself in the foot? I bought one of these from Sears about six months ago, and it has worked perfectly. I don't think you can go wrong with this one. https://www.amazon.com/HP-8200-Windo...p+pc+windows+7
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July 12th 17, 08:58 PM
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On 7/12/2017 1:15 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
I am buying a new PC for the #2 daughter to replace her ancient-and-honorable Vista box (AMD Athlon LE-1620 @2.4 GHz), so the bar is not all that high. Email via Outlook client and web browsing - nothing else that I can think of. Just searching Amazon for "refurbished desktop pc windows 7" (http://tinyurl.com/ycnbzhfv) gives a number of sub-$300 boxes running Windows 7 with 4-star user ratings (albeit not a *lot* of ratings....): one of them for less than a hundred bucks. Get anything with more than 2 cores/threads, so Core i3/i5 is okay, but avoid the older Core2 Duos, or Athlon X2's. Then the next thing you should look for is at least 8GB of RAM, as RAM prices have gone up in recent times, so it's better to have the RAM already installed and paid for ahead of time. Assuming that she doesn't play games, so she won't need a discrete GPU, the embedded GPU should be more than enough. I have a bunch of 1-TB drives laying around and will put one of them in the new box as the "Data" drive, so drive size is a non-issue. A lot of these boxes are small-form-factor (SFF) PC's, which means that they have a proprietary power supply, which not either ATX nor ITX. I don't think you'll have much choice of upgrading them. So most likely not only would you not have any extra space to put a secondary HDD in there, you'll likely not have enough power to run one either. So you're not going to be putting in a data drive in there, you'll be putting a replacement hard drive in there. Yousuf Khan
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July 12th 17, 08:59 PM
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On 7/12/2017 1:24 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per (PeteCresswell): searching Amazon FWIW, based on closer reading of reviews, this is the one that is currently calling out to me: http://tinyurl.com/y8vurdxz https://www.amazon.com/HP-8200-Windo...ews-filter-bar Either that one, or this one too: https://www.amazon.com/HP-Quad-Core-.../dp/B01CV9G1BO
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July 12th 17, 09:14 PM
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Buying A Re-furb PC ?
Wolf K wrote:
On 2017-07-12 14:12, Mike Easter wrote: Good Guy wrote: (PeteCresswell) wrote: I am buying a new PC for the #2 daughter You said "Re-furb PC" in the subject so to me it means second hand (used machine). Please use standard English so that everybody can understand. Not possible. The 'meaning' of refurb is all over the map. From the wp article: "The main difference between "refurbished" and "used"[1] products is that refurbished products have been tested and verified to function properly, and are thus free of defects, while "used" products may or may not be defective. Refurbished products may be unused customer returns that are essentially "new" items, or they may be defective products that were returned under warranty, and resold by the manufacturer after repairing the defects and ensuring proper function.[2]" Thus, the reputation of the refurb outfit and the background of the particular item are essential, AND *extremely* variable. To me "refurbished" means: - cleaned - repaired as necessary - OS reset to factory-fresh condition - original software bundle The refurbisher may add software beyond the manufacturer's bundle, but must tell you what it is. I would expect a minimum 90-day warranty. FWIW, the computer service/maintenance shop nearby does all these things. These aren't exactly that. They're off-lease machines from a big company. The OS is removed and a copy of Microsoft Refurbisher OS is installed. Refurbishers were supposed to stop shipping Win7 Refurbisher a year ago or so. It's just an OS, and won't have a copy of Zynga Games on it. The OS is not the original OEM OS... The mid-tower ones are preferred, as it's easier to put add-in cards into them. The ones that are USFF for example, you might not be able to fit a very good video card, if you were a gamer. The small machines would also have 250W power supplies, and if the power supply blows, finding a replacement would be harder. A mid-tower takes a standard ATX supply, for easy maintenace. These machines usually have Management Engine, because they're corporate, and that may bother some people. The more modern they are, the more likely you'll be able to check whether Management Engine is enabled or not. (That's the hardware feature that allows the machines to be accessed remotely via the Intel NIC.) Don't buy any of the Dells with known leaking cap issues. The stock now might be a lot newer than that, and less risky to buy. Still, running the model number through Google, doesn't hurt. A poster in the WinXP group bought one, and I think he's been pretty happy with it. They used to be mostly LGA775 dual core, which is pretty gutless for Win10. It's possible the quad core ones would be quite nice. At the time, there was only one Lenovo quad core refurb, and it had a pretty goofy looking mid-tower case. The Microsoft Refurbisher OS, the Win7 version was supposed to stop being installed on machines more than a year ago. It's pretty strange that any reputable refurbishers would still be shipping that. Joy Systems switched to shipping Win10 Refurbisher with their machines, which is a damn nuisance as it may mean adding a new video card to the machine, so they can sell it. I don't think a buyer would be very happy, if the machine was stuck in 1024x768 video because the video card was so old that only the Basic Display Adapter driver would work. Paul
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July 12th 17, 09:21 PM
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Wolf K wrote:
On 2017-07-12 13:15, (PeteCresswell) wrote: I am buying a new PC for the #2 daughter to replace her ancient-and-honorable Vista box (AMD Athlon LE-1620 @2.4 GHz), so the bar is not all that high. Email via Outlook client and web browsing - nothing else that I can think of. [...] Best bet IMO is a big box store, or a local computer servicing shop that has refurbished off-lease computers from their clients. Such shops don;t stay in business of they stiff their customers. But unless ou can get for one much (and I mean much) less than about $400CAD ($250US), you may as well get a brand new one at Staples or Best Buy or etc. The price on the refurbs can also be all over the place. The price can vary with time. And back to school is approaching so the price could go back up again. A machine you find for $240 one day, could be $160 the next, or $400 the next. If it's a SFF or USFF, you want to make sure it has a decent video card, or if not, that the power supply is big enough to take whatever half-length half-height video card you choose to install. Small form factor video cards can cost twice as much as regular cards, and if you're not careful, a replacement video card can cost almost as much as your whole refurb box. If the machine is a mid-tower, then a $40 video card will fit. Paul
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July 12th 17, 10:12 PM
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Per Wolf K:
But unless ou can get for one much (and I mean much) less than about $400CAD ($250US), you may as well get a brand new one at Staples or Best Buy or etc. But then I'm in to Windows 10, right? Or am I wrong? -- Pete Cresswell
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July 12th 17, 10:13 PM
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Per Paul:
If the machine is a mid-tower, then a $40 video card will fit. Point taken: it's got to be mid-tower or larger. -- Pete Cresswell
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July 12th 17, 10:20 PM
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 13:15:46 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote in I am buying a new PC for the #2 daughter to replace her ancient-and-honorable Vista box (AMD Athlon LE-1620 @2.4 GHz), so the bar is not all that high. Check out https://www.dellrefurbished.com/ I'm using a dell refurbished desktop right now. I've had it for over a year and I'm very pleased with it. -- Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one. Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those newspapers delivered to your door every morning.
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