Epson tech support and wawrranty

Char Jackson wrote:

That's inconsistent with your previous rants where you've talked about
'yanking' (your word) a conversation away from one or more groups.
Removing a group, even if you add a note to the remaining groups,
doesn't inform the folks in the group that you've removed. I consider
that to be rude.

FollowUp-To pulls replies to the specified newsgroup whether it be one
of those in the original list or a completely different newsgroup. I am
NOT removing the original newsgroups. In fact, despite the use of the
FollowUp-To header, I am *ignoring*. I'm not the rude one attempting to
yank away a discussion from the original newsgroups. That would be the
poster that uses the FollowUp-To header. In the case the poster submits
to a newsgroup that isn't on my server, I cannot reply to a newsgroup
that doesn't exist there.

What you describe might work, might not. Peering is not a front-end
process. A peer accepting a submission must add it to their articles
database with pointers in the newsgroups that it does carry. Later that
peer connects to another peer to forward that article to the next peer.
Hopefully the article is not altered for its Newsgroups header; however,
I do know that some servers will strip out some newsgroups, especially
those considered flame or volatile newsgroups. You happen to experience
in your config the propagation of the article to the specified
newsgroups when the article hits one that does carry the epson
newsgroup. I've seen server modify the Newsgroups header. That it
works for you doesn't mean it works for everyone. I'm not casting grass
seed onto concrete hoping someone might later use a blower to move it
into fertile areas.

On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 17:07:40 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

That's inconsistent with your previous rants where you've talked about
'yanking' (your word) a conversation away from one or more groups.
Removing a group, even if you add a note to the remaining groups,
doesn't inform the folks in the group that you've removed. I consider
that to be rude.

FollowUp-To pulls replies to the specified newsgroup whether it be one
of those in the original list or a completely different newsgroup. I am
NOT removing the original newsgroups.

You're removing one of them, are you not?

In fact, despite the use of the
FollowUp-To header, I am *ignoring*. I'm not the rude one attempting to
yank away a discussion from the original newsgroups. That would be the
poster that uses the FollowUp-To header. In the case the poster submits
to a newsgroup that isn't on my server, I cannot reply to a newsgroup
that doesn't exist there.

Why not? We've already discussed that you can.

What you describe might work, might not.

Proactively removing a group ensures that it won't make it to that
group.

I'm not casting grass
seed onto concrete hoping someone might later use a blower to move it
into fertile areas.

I consider it rude to remove groups that the OP intentionally included,
but YMMV.

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Char Jackson

Char Jackson wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

The OP used EasyNews (a 2nd tier provider using Giganews)

Easynews and Giganews are competitors. Easynews is part of the Highwinds
Group. Both EN and GN are considered 1st tier providers.

Yep, you're right. EasyNews is one of those holding companies spawned
by Highwinds to acquire or generate a Usenet service, and not by
Giganews reselling their service.

UNS Holdings (UsenetServer) is not themself a backbone provider but they
manage the servers operated by some tier 1 providers. EasyNews and
Newshosting are managed by UNS because those are sister companies. UNS
is a holding company of Highwinds. So are EasyNews and Newshosting.

UsenetServer is a tier 1 Usenet provider. EasyNews and Newshosting are
sister companies of UsenetServer. Whether they can be considered also
tier 1 provider is debatable because their resources come from UNS who
gets their resources from a Usenet backup provider, like Highwinds. How
can they be tier 1 providers if they get their resources from elsewhere?
Well, they're holding companies so they still have some degree of
independence but are under control of another.

Giganews has their own infrastructure hence is both a backbone and
[re]seller. They are a tier 1 Usenet provider plus they resell their
resources to 2nd tier, and lower, Usenet providers and to sister
companies. EasyNews was acquired by Highwinds which created holding
companies, like UNS, to manage their other holding companies, like
EasyNews and Newshosting. So you have Highwinds with holding companies
for services that are managed by UNS. Highwinds spawned several holding
companies for acquiring Usenet providers but has another do the
management.

With all the confusion as to who owns whom and who manages whom, it's
tough to keep track of it all. My last check was the following are the
Usenet backbones:

Altopia
Astraweb (US + NL)
Giganews (US + NL)
Highwinds (Base IP, Eweka, HWNG, Newshosting)
Newscene
Newsoo
United NewsServer
UsenetFarm
XS News

EasyNews has never been specified as a Usenet backbone provider despite
they are a sister company of UsenetServer which is a holding company of
Highwinds who is a backbone provider. Yet Newshosting is listed as a
backbone provider which it is also a sister company of UsenetServer
which is a holding company of Highwinds. Highwinds - UNS -
Newshosting: backbone and tier1. Yet Highwinds - UNS - EasyNews: not
a backbone and maybe a tier 1.

I can see why Giganews with their infrastructure for a backbone and is a
tier 1 Usenet provider. I'm not so sure about EasyNews being a tier 1
Usenet provider since they are a holding company managed by UNS owned by
Highwinds. The problem with knowing who does what is that a holding
company is used to buy sufficient shares of another company to provide
control over the other company. The buyer has control but doesn't
supplant or acquire the held company.

On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 18:05:21 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

The OP used EasyNews (a 2nd tier provider using Giganews)

Easynews and Giganews are competitors. Easynews is part of the Highwinds
Group. Both EN and GN are considered 1st tier providers.

Yep, you're right. EasyNews is one of those holding companies spawned
by Highwinds to acquire or generate a Usenet service, and not by
Giganews reselling their service.

Not quite. Easynews (and Usenetserver and Newshosting) all existed long
before Highwinds took notice and bought them up. Last I checked, which
was maybe 4 years ago, the companies still maintained their own NNTP
servers but they shared a single customer service function. They also
synchronized their article numbers so that some customers could buy an
account at NH, for example, and seamlessly use EN if they like.

EasyNews was acquired by Highwinds which created holding
companies, like UNS, to manage their other holding companies, like
EasyNews and Newshosting.

EN and UNS and NH were all acquired by the Highwinds Group.

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Char Jackson

On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 09:35:58 -0400, slate_leeper
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 14:06:07 -0400, slate_leeper
wrote:

About four days ago my Epson WF-2750 stopped communicating with the
computer.

First, re. warranty: the printer is less than six months old.

A while after I posted here about this problem, I received a phone
call from Epson. They have decided to send me a replacement printer.
No idea if my post here helped, but it sure didn't hurt. I do have to
pay return shipping on the old one.

Sorry about the typo in the word "warranty." The brain outruns the
fingers occasionally , and Agent 1.93 doesn't spell check the subject
line.

-dan z-

Agent 1.93! The 2002 version of Agent!!

Are you still using the release version of Windows XP?
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 12:37:18 +1200, Eric Stevens
wrote:


Agent 1.93! The 2002 version of Agent!!


Hey, it does everything I need.


Are you still using the release version of Windows XP?

No, although my wife's old computer has SP1. Of course it hasn't been
used since 2008.

My pickup is a 2008. It has almost 4000 miles on it.


-dan z-




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Char Jackson wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 18:05:21 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

The OP used EasyNews (a 2nd tier provider using Giganews)

Easynews and Giganews are competitors. Easynews is part of the Highwinds
Group. Both EN and GN are considered 1st tier providers.

Yep, you're right. EasyNews is one of those holding companies spawned
by Highwinds to acquire or generate a Usenet service, and not by
Giganews reselling their service.

Not quite. Easynews (and Usenetserver and Newshosting) all existed long
before Highwinds took notice and bought them up. Last I checked, which
was maybe 4 years ago, the companies still maintained their own NNTP
servers but they shared a single customer service function. They also
synchronized their article numbers so that some customers could buy an
account at NH, for example, and seamlessly use EN if they like.

EasyNews was acquired by Highwinds which created holding
companies, like UNS, to manage their other holding companies, like
EasyNews and Newshosting.

EN and UNS and NH were all acquired by the Highwinds Group.

Highwinds created holding companies by the same name of the company in
which they wanted to acquire control. For example, Highwinds created
EasyNews Holdings when they bought controlling stock in EasyNews.

Eric Stevens wrote:

slate_leeper wrote:

Sorry about the typo in the word "warranty." The brain outruns the
fingers occasionally , and Agent 1.93 doesn't spell check the
subject line.

Agent 1.93! The 2002 version of Agent!!

3.3 was the last free version of Agent Forte. As I recall, it starts
out as a trial version and then cripples itself to the free version.
Agent still offers the 3.3 download at:

http://www.forteinc.com/agent/download-all.php

Thanks VanguardLH (And Char) for an excellent few posts about usenet.

In message , VanguardLH
writes:
[]
EasyNews has never been specified as a Usenet backbone provider despite
they are a sister company of UsenetServer which is a holding company of
Highwinds who is a backbone provider. Yet Newshosting is listed as a
backbone provider which it is also a sister company of UsenetServer
which is a holding company of Highwinds. Highwinds - UNS -
Newshosting: backbone and tier1. Yet Highwinds - UNS - EasyNews: not
a backbone and maybe a tier 1.

"... never been specified ...", "... is listed ..." - by whom and where?
(I'm not disagreeing - I'm sure you're right! - but was just curious
about who was/is making these decisions/classifications.)
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I hope you dream a pig.

In message , Eric Stevens
writes:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 09:35:58 -0400, slate_leeper
wrote:
[]
Sorry about the typo in the word "warranty." The brain outruns the
fingers occasionally , and Agent 1.93 doesn't spell check the subject
line.

How odd; my Turnpike (2007-11-30, though it is version 6.07 M) does. Is
there not a setting somewhere?

-dan z-

Agent 1.93! The 2002 version of Agent!!

It does what he wants, and later versions may do something he doesn't!
Unless you know that later versions do spelling check the subject line..

Are you still using the release version of Windows XP?

Since he posted in (and only in, as far as OS 'groups go) the 7 'group,
I think we can assume he isn't.
--
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I hope you dream a pig.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

Thanks VanguardLH (And Char) for an excellent few posts about usenet.

In message , VanguardLH
writes:
[]
EasyNews has never been specified as a Usenet backbone provider despite
they are a sister company of UsenetServer which is a holding company of
Highwinds who is a backbone provider. Yet Newshosting is listed as a
backbone provider which it is also a sister company of UsenetServer
which is a holding company of Highwinds. Highwinds - UNS -
Newshosting: backbone and tier1. Yet Highwinds - UNS - EasyNews: not
a backbone and maybe a tier 1.

https://www.usenetjunction.com/affiliates/partners.php

HTH

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

Eric Stevens WROTE:

slate_leeper wrote:

Sorry about the typo in the word "warranty." The brain outruns the
fingers occasionally , and Agent 1.93 doesn't spell check the
subject line.

Agent 1.93! The 2002 version of Agent!!

It does what he wants, and later versions may do something he
doesn't! Unless you know that later versions do spelling check the
subject line..

Which version actually supported concurrent connections to multiple NNTP
servers? I remember long ago trialing a free version of Agent and found
it only supported one server. To get around this, I had to copy a
config file that specified the server. Each copy would specify the
server that I wanted to use during an Agent session. I used a batch
file to select which config file to overwrite the default config file
and then load Agent. I had to exit Agent and rerun the batch file to
select a different NNTP server. What a pain. Later Agent added support
for multiple concurrent server access during an Agent session but I
don't remember which version added that.

I also remember asking in the Forte newsgroup on how to define rules.
Turned out for the old version that I was trialing that rules could not
be saved. The closest I could do was to define searches that would
effectively perform the filtering; however, I had to run the searches to
manually instigate the "filtering". What a pain. That made me
immediately look for something more robust. Even OE was better --
except for its incorrect sigblock and top-posting which were fixed with
OE-QuoteFix but a later security update in SP-3 for Win XP added
registry edits to effect proper placement of the sigblock and selection
of where to position the cursor for top- versus bottom-posting. With
the registry hacks, there was no point in sticking with Agent that only
handled one server and had no rules.

From online image searches, this is the GUI for Forte Agent 1.93:
http://images.six.betanews.com/scree...12115881-1.gif

This is the GUI for Forte Agent 3.3:
https://pxhst.co/avaxhome/2006-06-30/screenshot.jpg

They look identical so there wouldn't be much of a learning curve to
move to the latest free version.

On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 11:01:54 +0000, Harold Perkins
wrote:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

Thanks VanguardLH (And Char) for an excellent few posts about usenet.

In message , VanguardLH
writes:
[]
EasyNews has never been specified as a Usenet backbone provider despite
they are a sister company of UsenetServer which is a holding company of
Highwinds who is a backbone provider. Yet Newshosting is listed as a
backbone provider which it is also a sister company of UsenetServer
which is a holding company of Highwinds. Highwinds - UNS -
Newshosting: backbone and tier1. Yet Highwinds - UNS - EasyNews: not
a backbone and maybe a tier 1.

https://www.usenetjunction.com/affiliates/partners.php

HTH

Some additional info he
https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/wiki/providers


--

Char Jackson

On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 08:05:39 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

Eric Stevens WROTE:

slate_leeper wrote:

Sorry about the typo in the word "warranty." The brain outruns the
fingers occasionally , and Agent 1.93 doesn't spell check the
subject line.

Agent 1.93! The 2002 version of Agent!!

It does what he wants, and later versions may do something he
doesn't! Unless you know that later versions do spelling check the
subject line..

Which version actually supported concurrent connections to multiple NNTP
servers? I remember long ago trialing a free version of Agent and found
it only supported one server. To get around this, I had to copy a
config file that specified the server. Each copy would specify the
server that I wanted to use during an Agent session. I used a batch
file to select which config file to overwrite the default config file
and then load Agent. I had to exit Agent and rerun the batch file to
select a different NNTP server. What a pain.

It's water under the bridge now, but you didn't have to do all of that.
You simply create your various config (.ini) files, each pointing to its
own server, then create a series of desktop shortcuts that tell Agent to
use the proper .ini file. No batch files, no overwriting, no pain. It's
still a hack, but it's completely painless.

Later Agent added support
for multiple concurrent server access during an Agent session but I
don't remember which version added that.

Same here. I use v2.0, so it was after that. Possibly 4.0?

I also remember asking in the Forte newsgroup on how to define rules.
Turned out for the old version that I was trialing that rules could not
be saved. The closest I could do was to define searches that would
effectively perform the filtering; however, I had to run the searches to
manually instigate the "filtering". What a pain.

I believe that was a limitation of the free version, along with no MIME
support, or was it no support for multipart messages. Hey, they had to
hold a few things back or no one would have bought it.

That made me
immediately look for something more robust.

That made me immediately buy it, since I wanted those features.

Even OE was better --

UGH! We disagree there.

except for its incorrect sigblock and top-posting which were fixed with
OE-QuoteFix but a later security update in SP-3 for Win XP added
registry edits to effect proper placement of the sigblock and selection
of where to position the cursor for top- versus bottom-posting. With
the registry hacks, there was no point in sticking with Agent that only
handled one server and had no rules.

From online image searches, this is the GUI for Forte Agent 1.93:
http://images.six.betanews.com/scree...12115881-1.gif

This is the GUI for Forte Agent 3.3:
https://pxhst.co/avaxhome/2006-06-30/screenshot.jpg

They look identical so there wouldn't be much of a learning curve to
move to the latest free version.

I agree, they look identical, and neither looks like my 2.0, which makes
me think that the picture of 1.93 is actually another picture of 3.3.
Versions 1.93 and 2.0 don't have "Desks". That was added later.

--

Char Jackson

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 08:05:39 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
[]
Which version actually supported concurrent connections to multiple NNTP
servers? I remember long ago trialing a free version of Agent and found
it only supported one server. To get around this, I had to copy a
config file that specified the server. Each copy would specify the
server that I wanted to use during an Agent session. I used a batch
file to select which config file to overwrite the default config file
and then load Agent. I had to exit Agent and rerun the batch file to
select a different NNTP server. What a pain.

It's water under the bridge now, but you didn't have to do all of that.
You simply create your various config (.ini) files, each pointing to its
own server, then create a series of desktop shortcuts that tell Agent to
use the proper .ini file. No batch files, no overwriting, no pain. It's
still a hack, but it's completely painless.
[]
As you say, water under the bridge now, but (once the batch or .ini
files have been created), I can't see much difference between the two
methods - you still have to close Agent in order to open it again with a
different server.
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