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Over this weekend I have been trying to eliminate spyware / rogue dialler
which despite the efforts of Norton Internet Security and various spyware software will not go away. All the software I have tried have detected a threat(s) only some of which are dealt with only to change and reappear maybe two re-boots later. I'm convinced it is morphing or hiding somehow. This raises the question is there any independent research showing the strengths and weaknesses of the various anti-virus software in detecting and eliminating virus, spyware etc threats. I am particularly interested in protection for stand-alone computers not large systems. Googling for this information is unreliable as the software producers seem to be also good at producing convincing reports in their favour. Thanks Bill Ridgeway |
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Bill Ridgeway wrote:
Over this weekend I have been trying to eliminate spyware / rogue dialler which despite the efforts of Norton Internet Security and various spyware software will not go away. All the software I have tried have detected a threat(s) only some of which are dealt with only to change and reappear maybe two re-boots later. I'm convinced it is morphing or hiding somehow. This raises the question is there any independent research showing the strengths and weaknesses of the various anti-virus software in detecting and eliminating virus, spyware etc threats. I am particularly interested in protection for stand-alone computers not large systems. Googling for this information is unreliable as the software producers seem to be also good at producing convincing reports in their favour. I know of no definitive studies - just experience from dozens of frequent responders here and elsewhere pointing to some of the best software for such things. My list for AntiVirus and AntiSpyware follows: AntiVirus: Symantec (Norton) AntiVirus (~$11 and up) http://www.symantec.com/nav/nav_9xnt/ Kaspersky Anti-Virus (~$49.95 and up) http://www.kaspersky.com/products.html Panda Antivirus Titanium (~$39.95 and up) http://www.pandasoftware.com/ (Free Online Scanner: http://www.pandasoftware.com/activescan/) AVG Anti-Virus System (Free and up) http://www.grisoft.com/ McAfee VirusScan (~$11 and up) http://www.mcafee.com/ AntiVir (Free and up) http://www.free-av.com/ avast! (Free and up) http://www.avast.com/ Trend Micro (~$49.95 and up) http://www.trendmicro.com/en/home/us/personal.htm (Free Online Scanner: http://housecall.trendmicro.com/hous...start_corp.asp) RAV AntiVirus Online Virus Scan (Free!) http://www.ravantivirus.com/scan/ AntiSpywa Lavasoft AdAware (Free and up) http://www.lavasoft.de/support/download/ (How-to: http://snipurl.com/atdn ) Spybot Search and Destroy (Free!) http://www.safer-networking.net/en/download/index.html (How-to: http://snipurl.com/atdk ) Bazooka Adware and Spyware Scanner (Free!) http://www.kephyr.com/spywarescanner/ (How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate3 ) SpywareBlaster (Free!) http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/sbdownload.html (How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate6 ) IE-SPYAD (Free!) https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ehowes/www/resource.htm (How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate7 ) CWShredder (Free!) http://www.softbasket.com/download/s_8114.shtml Hijack This! (Free) http://mjc1.com/mirror/hjt/ ( Tutorial: http://hjt.wizardsofwebsites.com/ ) ToolbarCop (Free!) http://windowsxp.mvps.org/toolbarcop.htm Browser Security Tests http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/BrowserSecurity/ Popup Tester http://www.popuptest.com/ The Cleaner (49.95 and up) http://www.moosoft.com/ Avoid AntiSpyware Applications on this list: Rogue/Suspect Anti-Spyware Products & Web Sites http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm -- - Shenan - -- The information is provided "as is", it is suggested you research for yourself before you take any advice - you are the one ultimately responsible for your actions/problems/solutions. Know what you are getting into before you jump in with both feet. |
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That isn't a virus.
Eliminate any scumware. CAUTION!!!!! Before you try to remove spyware using any of these programs , download a copy of LSPFIX from any of the following sites: http://www.cexx.org/lspfix.htm http://www.spychecker.com/program/winsockxpfix.html (if your OS is Win2k or XP) The process of removing certain malware may kill your internet connection. If this should occur, this program, LSPFIX, will enable you to regain your connection. See Dealing with Unwanted Malware, Parasites, Toolbars and Search Engines http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm Note that AdAware and SpyBot S & D will each catch some things the other won't. Also, each needs to be updated with the program's update function before every use, even when just downloaded. There's also a lot more to do than just those two programs. CWShredder is also available he http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs...cwshredder.zip **Post your HijackThis log to http://forums.spywareinfo.com/ or the Spyware forum at http://forum.aumha.org/ for expert analysis, not here.** Alternative download pages for Ad-Aware, Spybot, HijackThis and CWShredder may be found on this page: http://aumha.org/a/parasite.htm. See this link for information about malwa http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/malware.ars If nothing there helps, please post back to this thread. -- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE Please respond in Newsgroup. Do not send email http://www.fjsmjs.com Protect your PC http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/ "Bill Ridgeway" wrote in message ... Over this weekend I have been trying to eliminate spyware / rogue dialler which despite the efforts of Norton Internet Security and various spyware software will not go away. All the software I have tried have detected a threat(s) only some of which are dealt with only to change and reappear maybe two re-boots later. I'm convinced it is morphing or hiding somehow. This raises the question is there any independent research showing the strengths and weaknesses of the various anti-virus software in detecting and eliminating virus, spyware etc threats. I am particularly interested in protection for stand-alone computers not large systems. Googling for this information is unreliable as the software producers seem to be also good at producing convincing reports in their favour. Thanks Bill Ridgeway |
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Bill Ridgeway wrote:
Over this weekend I have been trying to eliminate spyware / rogue dialler which despite the efforts of Norton Internet Security and various spyware software will not go away. All the software I have tried have detected a threat(s) only some of which are dealt with only to change and reappear maybe two re-boots later. I'm convinced it is morphing or hiding somehow. This raises the question is there any independent research showing the strengths and weaknesses of the various anti-virus software in detecting and eliminating virus, spyware etc threats. I am particularly interested in protection for stand-alone computers not large systems. Googling for this information is unreliable as the software producers seem to be also good at producing convincing reports in their favour. Thanks Bill Ridgeway Beginning of standard canned reply... Update Windows. Use a firewall. Use an Anti-Virus of your choice and keep it updated. Set folder options to "show all files". Clean out all temp, cashe, and ect.files. Download BeClean he http://boozet.xepher.net/beclean/ Download Sysclean from he http://www.trendmicro.com/ftp/products/tsc/sysclean.com Read this: http://www.trendmicro.com/ftp/products/tsc/readme.txt Reboot into safe mode and run Sysclean, write down results, then reboot normally. If offending file is in “restore” read this: http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...rc=sec_doc_nam Download AdAware from he http://www.majorgeeks.com/download506.html Read the help files and then Update and run AdAware. Download Spybot Search+Destroy he http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html Read this: http://www.safer-networking.org/en/tutorial/index.html Update and run Spybot (enable all protection). Download Spyware Blaster he (enable all protection) http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html Run a couple of online scanners (pick a different one than your main AV): BitDefender: http://www.bitdefender.com/scan/licence.php Norton: http://security.symantec.com/sscv6/h...YYTZXPE&bhcp=1 Panda: http://www.pandasoftware.com/actives..._principal.htm eTrust: http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/scan.aspx House Call: http://housecall.trendmicro.com/hous...start_corp.asp If the previous do not solve your problems: Download Bazooka he http://www.kephyr.com/spywarescanner/ Download SwatIt he http://swatit.org/ Download KL-Detector here http://dewasoft.com/privacy/kldetector.htm Download CWShredder here http://www.intermute.com/spysubtract..._download.html Download HijackThis he http://www.majorgeeks.com/download3155.html Install, run and save the log that is created. Don’t let it fix anything yet! You can find forums to post the log to have it analyzed he http://tomcoyote.org/hjt/ Download Stinger he http://vil.nai.com/vil/stinger/ ....end of canned reply. See my site for more info and links. -max -- Keeping Windows Clean: http://www.geocities.com/maxpro4u/madmax.html Virus Cleaning+Fixes: http://www.geocities.com/maxpro4u/TechPros Change nomail.afraid.org to neo.rr.com so you can reply by e-mail (nomail.afraid.org has been set up specifically for use in Usenet. Feel free to use it yourself.) |
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On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 22:21:58 GMT, Bill Ridgeway wrote:
Over this weekend I have been trying to eliminate spyware / rogue dialler which despite the efforts of Norton Internet Security and various spyware software will not go away. All the software I have tried have detected a threat(s) only some of which are dealt with only to change and reappear maybe two re-boots later. I'm convinced it is morphing or hiding somehow. This raises the question is there any independent research showing the strengths and weaknesses of the various anti-virus software in detecting and eliminating virus, spyware etc threats. I am particularly interested in protection for stand-alone computers not large systems. Googling for this information is unreliable as the software producers seem to be also good at producing convincing reports in their favour. Thanks Bill Ridgeway Bill, the problem is that as fast as the fixes come out - in antivirus programs or dedicated anti-spyware programs - new delivery methods for this ....junk (being polite) are invented. Suggestion: When your programs identify a problem, take a few minutes to look the name up at their website. You should find some documentation describing the intrusion. There are often additional steps in these articles that need to be done in Safe Mode or done manually to completely eliminate an intrusion. You may even find a link for a special removal tool for a particular nasty in that documentation. While it's possible the problem is reappearing due to incomplete cleaning or constant reinfection -- what you're describing sounds like it could be a two pronged mechanism that has been documented for several known intrusions. One file (or set of files) to carry out the dirty work, another file (or set of files) to make sure that the "working" mechanisms are not deleted. If deleted, the "monitoring" set of files replaces them. Due to the complexity, you need the documentation on the particular intrusion to clean it up entirely. Also no single application is "best" at removing all known intrusions. Using a combination of "anti-" programs (anti-virus, anti-spam, anti-scumware) that have a solid reputation for being effective is a good strategy. Shenan has posted a list of good programs and defensive practices to adopt so will refer you back to that post for that information. -- Sharon F MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User |
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"Sharon F" wrote in message ... On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 22:21:58 GMT, Bill Ridgeway wrote: Over this weekend I have been trying to eliminate spyware / rogue dialler which despite the efforts of Norton Internet Security and various spyware software will not go away. All the software I have tried have detected a threat(s) only some of which are dealt with only to change and reappear maybe two re-boots later. I'm convinced it is morphing or hiding somehow. This raises the question is there any independent research showing the strengths and weaknesses of the various anti-virus software in detecting and eliminating virus, spyware etc threats. I am particularly interested in protection for stand-alone computers not large systems. Googling for this information is unreliable as the software producers seem to be also good at producing convincing reports in their favour. Thanks Bill Ridgeway Bill, the problem is that as fast as the fixes come out - in antivirus programs or dedicated anti-spyware programs - new delivery methods for this ...junk (being polite) are invented. Suggestion: When your programs identify a problem, take a few minutes to look the name up at their website. You should find some documentation describing the intrusion. There are often additional steps in these articles that need to be done in Safe Mode or done manually to completely eliminate an intrusion. You may even find a link for a special removal tool for a particular nasty in that documentation. While it's possible the problem is reappearing due to incomplete cleaning or constant reinfection -- what you're describing sounds like it could be a two pronged mechanism that has been documented for several known intrusions. One file (or set of files) to carry out the dirty work, another file (or set of files) to make sure that the "working" mechanisms are not deleted. If deleted, the "monitoring" set of files replaces them. Due to the complexity, you need the documentation on the particular intrusion to clean it up entirely. Also no single application is "best" at removing all known intrusions. Using a combination of "anti-" programs (anti-virus, anti-spam, anti-scumware) that have a solid reputation for being effective is a good strategy. Shenan has posted a list of good programs and defensive practices to adopt so will refer you back to that post for that information. -- Sharon F MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User =========================================== I would add that at the end of the day, if whatever malware just can't be cleaned, then a complete format / clean install should be considered. Then proceed with secure computing practices. =========================================== |
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Why is all spyware, malware passive defence software? Isn't it a bout time
you technical chaps got on the offensive? If the annnoying nerds that produce the offensive software can get into systems and install diallers spyware etc I am sure there are ways in which some form of attack on their systems could be mounted. Seems that not all 'anitivirus' software are comprehensive leading to numerous updates required and systems running slower and slower as the av software checks everything out. Regards someone who wishes the web was like it used to be!! "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE" wrote: That isn't a virus. Eliminate any scumware. CAUTION!!!!! Before you try to remove spyware using any of these programs , download a copy of LSPFIX from any of the following sites: http://www.cexx.org/lspfix.htm http://www.spychecker.com/program/winsockxpfix.html (if your OS is Win2k or XP) The process of removing certain malware may kill your internet connection. If this should occur, this program, LSPFIX, will enable you to regain your connection. See Dealing with Unwanted Malware, Parasites, Toolbars and Search Engines http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm Note that AdAware and SpyBot S & D will each catch some things the other won't. Also, each needs to be updated with the program's update function before every use, even when just downloaded. There's also a lot more to do than just those two programs. CWShredder is also available he http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs...cwshredder.zip **Post your HijackThis log to http://forums.spywareinfo.com/ or the Spyware forum at http://forum.aumha.org/ for expert analysis, not here.** Alternative download pages for Ad-Aware, Spybot, HijackThis and CWShredder may be found on this page: http://aumha.org/a/parasite.htm. See this link for information about malwa http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/malware.ars If nothing there helps, please post back to this thread. -- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE Please respond in Newsgroup. Do not send email http://www.fjsmjs.com Protect your PC http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/ "Bill Ridgeway" wrote in message ... Over this weekend I have been trying to eliminate spyware / rogue dialler which despite the efforts of Norton Internet Security and various spyware software will not go away. All the software I have tried have detected a threat(s) only some of which are dealt with only to change and reappear maybe two re-boots later. I'm convinced it is morphing or hiding somehow. This raises the question is there any independent research showing the strengths and weaknesses of the various anti-virus software in detecting and eliminating virus, spyware etc threats. I am particularly interested in protection for stand-alone computers not large systems. Googling for this information is unreliable as the software producers seem to be also good at producing convincing reports in their favour. Thanks Bill Ridgeway |
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markt had this to say: My reply is at the bottom of your sent message: Why is all spyware, malware passive defence software? Isn't it a bout time you technical chaps got on the offensive? If the annnoying nerds that produce the offensive software can get into systems and install diallers spyware etc I am sure there are ways in which some form of attack on their systems could be mounted. Seems that not all 'anitivirus' software are comprehensive leading to numerous updates required and systems running slower and slower as the av software checks everything out. Regards someone who wishes the web was like it used to be!! There's quite a bit of proactive software solutions available and none of them beat awareness and education. Properly configured security settings, utilization of the security zones, not using the default settings for internet explorer, and properly configuring scripts to be at least set to prompt are just a few simple solutions that can be taken. Proper configuration of a firewall is capable of blocking a number of problems and scanning files before opening them with updated definition files (scanning with more than one malware prevention product is recommended by me at least if the source is even moderately suspect) are a bit more agressive but still good solutions none the less. The problem isn't that there's only defensive solutions, the problem is that the typical end user is a) uneducated b) unwilling to take the time and c) not interested until things go wrong. Then, when things do go wrong, they look for the most public source and blame them. That has been my findings at any rate. A search engine for proactive security solutions will reveal a great number of options available from hardware to software. Galen -- Signature changed for a moment of silence. Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side. |
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Galen wrote:
In , markt had this to say: snipped Why is all spyware, malware passive defence software? ... ... the problem is that the typical end user is a) uneducated b) unwilling to take the time and c) not interested until things go wrong. Then, when things do go wrong, they look for the most public source and blame them. But when you consider that the World Wide Web has become a (virtual) shopping centre, why shouldn't there be some onus on virtual shop-owners to maintain adequate safety standards for their customers, as there is in the 'real' world? Of course, shops are not responsible for crimes committed on their premises, but they do have a duty of care to customers to offer a safe and secure environment - I'm thinking of fire protection in particular, fire alarms, fire escapes, etc. I don't expect to have to wear fire-protective clothing when I go to a (real) shopping centre, why should I on the web? (Nevertheless, I do use AV and a firewall, but you get my point...) Gilbert |
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Gilbert had this to say: My reply is at the bottom of your sent message: But when you consider that the World Wide Web has become a (virtual) shopping centre, why shouldn't there be some onus on virtual shop-owners to maintain adequate safety standards for their customers, as there is in the 'real' world? Of course, shops are not responsible for crimes committed on their premises, but they do have a duty of care to customers to offer a safe and secure environment - I'm thinking of fire protection in particular, fire alarms, fire escapes, etc. I don't expect to have to wear fire-protective clothing when I go to a (real) shopping centre, why should I on the web? (Nevertheless, I do use AV and a firewall, but you get my point...) Gilbert I get your point and agree. Oh do I agree... I also think that there should be some sort of licensing agreement between the PC user and their government that makes them accountable for their own computers and that they need to adhere to standards as well as pass various tests to be allowed to do different things with their computer. Sadly, I'm not kidding... We're required a license to hunt, to fish, to drive a car, to operate an ATV, to marry, and many other things but we've the power to install all sorts of malware on our system and propagate it across the globe freely which is potentially harming other people's computers. Okay... So I'm not really sure I agree with that but I'm hoping that you see my point. You mention the "World Wide Web." I agree. It's world wide and as such we need to accept that there's currently no legislation in place (and no treaties to enforce them) that would enforce this onus. I know that I enforce it by not shopping at sites which don't offer 128 bit encryption and don't have a certificate that matches the rest of their information and I don't buy or recommend software that's malware. I think it's up to us to force the issue by simply avoiding things of this nature. I'd never, for instance, buy a product recommended in a SPAM email nor would I host with a site who was also known to be affiliated with SPAMMERS. The shops do have reasonable protection but the internet isn't just shops but rather a collection of shops, museums, homes, lurkers, and all that. I truly like the superhighway analogy of yore. We are citizens on that highway and it's our responsibility to insure that our vehicle is safe to traverse the highway. It's the hardware vendor's responsibility to provide you with hardware that will last. It's the OS's authors responsibility to provide you with an OS that's as secure as they can make it while still allowing reasonable use. It's the OEM's job to put it all together in a package that fits your needs and then support it. It's all about ALL of us accepting responsibility. If people stopped buying products from SPAM they'd stop sending it. They wouldn't send it if it wasn't profitable. If people stopped downloading malware they'd stop writing it. If people stopped clicking OK on everything they see they'd stop ad supported software. If people started to monitor their internet traffic and scanned files before installing them (or even Googled to get other people's opinions) they'd stop coding spyware because it wouldn't get them anywhere... (Don't get me wrong. Two things. This won't happen overnight. They'll find new ways.) In the end it boils down to education before use, to being aware, and to thwart threats before your infected. We... You... Me... The coders... The other end-users... We all have a responsibility to the community and we have to do our part to stop this. Using, as you said, a firewall and an AV product is a good start. I'd toss a trojan and spyware specific application on top of them and use a software firewall with a decent router just to be sure but hey, it's a start and a heck of a lot better than some people do. Time and time again you read "I stopped updating my AV because it was insert anything here, cost too much, taking too long, too much of a hassle. You hear, "What's a firewall?" You hear, "I installed a firewall but I gave suchandsuch.exe access because it kept asking me." What I don't hear is, "I just installed a firewall and now I want to configure it to meet my needs, how do I do that?" I'd love it if I heard, "I just updated my AV software and want to know if it's actually working, does anyone know where there's a test file?" This is, of course, the newusers group... I'm unlikely to hear those in here but I don't hear them in the other groups very often either. I'm usually a very liberal person but there should be some sort of EFFECTIVE world wide consortum to enforce standardization of safety regulations and minimum security guidelines as well as policies for dealing with infractions. What we have online now is nothing short of anarchy in most places or agressive dictatorial oppression and neither is acceptable in my opinion. It has been said by people wiser than I that anarchy leads to true freedom so we'll have to see what happens. Galen -- Signature changed for a moment of silence. Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side. |
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 16:10:01 -0700, "markt"
wrote: Why is all spyware, malware passive defence software? Isn't it a bout time you technical chaps got on the offensive? If the annnoying nerds that produce the offensive software can get into systems and install diallers spyware etc I am sure there are ways in which some form of attack on their systems could be mounted. Seems that not all 'anitivirus' software are comprehensive leading to numerous updates required and systems running slower and slower as the av software checks everything out. Because there has to be two sides. Offensive and defensive. They're offensive, so you Must be defensive. If you change sides, then you're the problem. Regards someone who wishes the web was like it used to be!! You'll have to clue me in on what that means ? This crap was going on when FIDO BBS boards existed. They had kill files, spam killers, and virus software back then. Then there was Commodore you couldn't plant a working virus on them. "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE" wrote: That isn't a virus. Eliminate any scumware. CAUTION!!!!! Before you try to remove spyware using any of these programs , download a copy of LSPFIX from any of the following sites: http://www.cexx.org/lspfix.htm http://www.spychecker.com/program/winsockxpfix.html (if your OS is Win2k or XP) The process of removing certain malware may kill your internet connection. If this should occur, this program, LSPFIX, will enable you to regain your connection. See Dealing with Unwanted Malware, Parasites, Toolbars and Search Engines http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm Note that AdAware and SpyBot S & D will each catch some things the other won't. Also, each needs to be updated with the program's update function before every use, even when just downloaded. There's also a lot more to do than just those two programs. CWShredder is also available he http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs...cwshredder.zip **Post your HijackThis log to http://forums.spywareinfo.com/ or the Spyware forum at http://forum.aumha.org/ for expert analysis, not here.** Alternative download pages for Ad-Aware, Spybot, HijackThis and CWShredder may be found on this page: http://aumha.org/a/parasite.htm. See this link for information about malwa http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/malware.ars If nothing there helps, please post back to this thread. -- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE Please respond in Newsgroup. Do not send email http://www.fjsmjs.com Protect your PC http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/ "Bill Ridgeway" wrote in message ... Over this weekend I have been trying to eliminate spyware / rogue dialler which despite the efforts of Norton Internet Security and various spyware software will not go away. All the software I have tried have detected a threat(s) only some of which are dealt with only to change and reappear maybe two re-boots later. I'm convinced it is morphing or hiding somehow. This raises the question is there any independent research showing the strengths and weaknesses of the various anti-virus software in detecting and eliminating virus, spyware etc threats. I am particularly interested in protection for stand-alone computers not large systems. Googling for this information is unreliable as the software producers seem to be also good at producing convincing reports in their favour. Thanks Bill Ridgeway -- more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html |
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