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  #16  
Old January 12th 18, 06:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Pinnerite
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wrote:

Well, my post was obviously only my perceptions and should have been
recognized as such. No big deal.

I think it's very vallid to take postings in this group into account,
as an assessment of 10. All things considerred, take it or leave it, I
decided to leave it.

Starting with the introduction of 10, I posted ( repeatedly ) for
anyone to give me one good reason to "upgrade" from 7 to 10. So far
nobody has been able to do that.


Sadly I have to keep Windows XP alongside 10 because:

1) I cannot get drivers for my sheet-fed scanner;
2) Software for the same
3) To be able to continue to deploy specialist 16 bit programs.

That said, the professional software that I have to use no longer supports
XP.

Apart from the dreadful slowness of 10 compared with XP, the only real
issues that I have is that the windows' heading bars (not the title bars)
are plain, making the contents difficult to identify without squinting. I
haven't found a way to fix that.

I never got to use 7 so I have no comparison.

It took me over a day to secure the LAN addresses.I had to use the style:
\\192.168.x.x rather than names of each share. Tedious.

I cannot get the desktop icons to align on the right as I can in Linux but
that is trivial.

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  #18  
Old January 12th 18, 07:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 1/12/2018 12:27 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 01/12/2018 10:53 AM, Neil wrote:

[snip]

There is no reason to upgrade to another OS if you are able to do your
work with the one you have. I still have machines running Win2k Pro,
which I prefer to several of its successors.


I still prefer W2K (the last version without the anti-user
"activation"), although there are a few new features of later Windows.
Mostly, these aren't very important but software does seem to require them.

Structural changes that beginning with XP made it necessary for
applications to move on. Vista introduced some very fundamental changes
such as relative memory addressing that required more significant
application changes. Some apps did, others didn't, and many users didn't
know why they had problems all of a sudden with those that didn't. And
so on, and so on.

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  #19  
Old January 12th 18, 07:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 05:58:51 -0500, wrote:


Anyone with half a brain, would have stayed with 7, which was and is
optimal.





I completely disagree, but each to his own. I won't try to convince
you to change.
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Old January 12th 18, 07:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:33:14 -0500, Neil
wrote:


On 1/12/2018 11:03 AM, Mayayana wrote:

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| Starting with the introduction of 10, I posted ( repeatedly ) for
| anyone to give me one good reason to "upgrade" from 7 to 10. So far
| nobody has been able to do that.

I've noticed the same thing. I join in here because
I write Windows software and because I like to keep
track of developments. In other words, as a
programmer and as a tweaker. I also need to know
these things because I help friends and family.

What I've noticed is that there are mostly just a few
regulars. Most of them are just experimenting and
not using Win10 as their primary system. And many
of the questions are things like:

"That latest update just screwed me. What do I
do?"


And, since you don't have any direct experience with Win10, you don't
realize that many of these comments come from the relatively few
"regulars" who do really stupid things with their Win10 systems thinking
that they should be functionally like XP. The rest of us who have
multiple Win10 systems with no such issues just shake our heads at those
comments and keep working.



Moreover, this is a place where people come with their problems, not a
place where people come to tell us how much they love Windows 10. As
I've said before, "hang out around a transmission shop and you'll
think all cars have transmission problems."
  #22  
Old January 12th 18, 07:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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I've got 28 importane apps written in Quick Basic 4.5 and 14 in Visual
Basic v3, that won't run in 7, and probably won't in 10. I use a
virtual box running XP for these 42. Works OK.
  #24  
Old January 12th 18, 08:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Try compatibility mode in Win7. It gives you XP Service Pack 2 and 3 as
choices.


I believe I tried that, unsuccessively, but maybe doing something
wrong.

Win10 claims to support compatibility. Have you tried it?

Haven't got 10 on anything so can't try it. Just for the 42, I've got
vitual box which works seamlessly and well.
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Old January 12th 18, 08:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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| I've got 28 importane apps written in Quick Basic 4.5 and 14 in Visual
| Basic v3, that won't run in 7, and probably won't in 10. I use a
| virtual box running XP for these 42. Works OK.

That's not due to the OS, it's because
those are 16-bit. 16-bit can run on 32-bit
but not on 64-bit. The same is true for
32/64. I can write VB6 software that runs
on all systems from Win95 to Win10 because it's
32-bit running on 32 or 64. The same should
be true for VB5 except that it would need a
library installed on Win10.

Microsoft has been very good with backward
compatibility because corporations often
write in-house software and expect it to run
on new Windows versions. But 16-bit is just
too far back. Though you should be able to
run that software on Win7-32. You might just
need to install the runtime DLL.


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Old January 12th 18, 09:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:45:52 -0500, Neil
wrote:

On 1/12/2018 11:03 AM, Mayayana wrote:


[snip]

"That latest update just screwed me. What do I
do?"

And, since you don't have any direct experience with Win10, you don't
realize that many of these comments come from the relatively few
"regulars" who do really stupid things with their Win10 systems thinking
that they should be functionally like XP. The rest of us who have
multiple Win10 systems with no such issues just shake our heads at those
comments and keep working.


OTOH, going to Windows 7 broke my app development system. Since
I had an iteration that was due shortly, I had to scramble to deal
with what, to me, were real deficiencies in Windows 7. I was not able
to mitigate all of them. There is also a race condition bug in
Windows 7's rd that has bitten me many times.

I am not eager to switch operating systems yet again to get my
computing disrupted again who-know-how.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
  #28  
Old January 12th 18, 09:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Gene Wirchenko[_2_]
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:32:09 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

[snip]

I won't do that, because if I did, your reply would be "that's not a
good reason."


Maybe, but your idea of a good reason might not be a good reason
for someone else. The latest is not always the greatest.

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
  #29  
Old January 12th 18, 09:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Gene Wirchenko[_2_]
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:36:46 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

wrote

| I've got 28 importane apps written in Quick Basic 4.5 and 14 in Visual
| Basic v3, that won't run in 7, and probably won't in 10. I use a
| virtual box running XP for these 42. Works OK.

That's not due to the OS, it's because
those are 16-bit. 16-bit can run on 32-bit


No, it is because the OS refuses to run such apps. The app did
not change, the OS did, and now, there is a difference. Therefore, it
is due to the OS.

but not on 64-bit. The same is true for
32/64. I can write VB6 software that runs
on all systems from Win95 to Win10 because it's
32-bit running on 32 or 64. The same should
be true for VB5 except that it would need a
library installed on Win10.

Microsoft has been very good with backward
compatibility because corporations often
write in-house software and expect it to run
on new Windows versions. But 16-bit is just
too far back. Though you should be able to
run that software on Win7-32. You might just
need to install the runtime DLL.


Microsoft dropped support for 16-bit applications. I do not call
that being very good with backward compatibility.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
  #30  
Old January 12th 18, 09:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 12:06:46 -0800, Gene Wirchenko
wrote:


On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:32:09 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

[snip]


I won't do that, because if I did, your reply would be "that's not a
good reason."


Maybe, but your idea of a good reason might not be a good reason
for someone else. The latest is not always the greatest.



I agree with both those statements, especially the first one; we are
all different and have different likes and dislikes.

But I still won't do it, simply because anyone who pasts a message
entitled "Avoid 10 !" saying "Starting with the introduction of 10, I
posted ( repeatedly ) for anyone to give me one good reason to
"upgrade" from 7 to 10. So far nobody has been able to do that" is
highly unlikely to accept as a good reason anything anyone says.
Clearly, his mind is already made up.
 




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