Lack of free space, new machine.

"Sharon F" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 22:46:02 +0100, Phil wrote:
Check with Ulead about this program. Someone else posted this week about a
problem with it... I think they were uninstalling and having some trouble
getting back disk space but can't recall exactly. Sorry my memory's hazy
on
the details and sorry if it's a false lead.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?E2F514FE7
Not as much space as i 'seem' to be missing?


Question: Do you know if you have a hidden partition on that drive with
the
OEM recovery files?

Not that i know of?
BTW i am stuck with what command prompt to use in the filelist application
you suggested?

On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 23:54:49 +0100, Phil wrote:

BTW i am stuck with what command prompt to use in the filelist application
you suggested?

Place filelist and its DLL into the Windows folder. Open a command prompt
window (CMD.EXE) and try:

FILELIST C: list.csv

The resulting file will show up in Documents and Settings\your account

It can be imported to Excel or a similar program. Most database and
spreadsheet programs allow you to sort a column by numerical value.

--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows XP Shell/User

"Sharon F" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 23:54:49 +0100, Phil wrote:

BTW i am stuck with what command prompt to use in the filelist
application
you suggested?

Place filelist and its DLL into the Windows folder. Open a command prompt
window (CMD.EXE) and try:

FILELIST C: list.csv

The resulting file will show up in Documents and Settings\your account

It can be imported to Excel or a similar program. Most database and
spreadsheet programs allow you to sort a column by numerical value.

--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows XP Shell/User

Thanks but i had worked ot out eventually :-)
It shows a total of 2056321415.00 bytes.
Did you see the result i got with the EasyCleaner | Space Usage
http://ptm2.cc.utu.fi/ftp/windows/tools/EClea1_7.exe

That tells me that I have 84% free space?
I removed autoroute, that gave me an extra 1% disk space :-(

On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 06:36:42 -0700, Phil wrote:

Sharon thank you for your input!
I have done all you suggested, the file hiberfil.sys.
does not show any where? BTW it is not a Laptop.
Reduced cache sizes, and removed all temp file contents-
rebooted, but defraganalyse still show the same disk
usage? the biggest in add/remove is AutoRoute V11.0 @
about 933,000MB but i need that, and all others in there,
i have the same things installed on my W98 machine.
Where to next?
Why are you not in Seattle? :-)

If it's not a laptop that needs battery life protected, you can easily do
without hibernation and the accompanying hiberfil.sys file. Hibernation may
already be disabled (or is not available) and that would explain why
there's no sign of the file after showing hidden and system protected files
and folder.

Hang onto AutoRoute, it's only a GB of space and you use it.

Other space grabbers: Do you have Norton's Protected Recycle Bin installed?
If yes, check that it's not stashing up deleted files. On an oddball chance
that there may be a few chkdsk files hanging around, search for *.chk
files.

Seattle travel plans canceled when I couldn't find a replacement dog sitter
for my elderly black lab. Thanks for asking :^)

--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows XP Shell/User

-----Original Message-----
Phil,
Try this.
Go to Start, search, choose "all files and folders".
In the box labeled "all or part of the file name" type *
Click on "What size it it?"
Select "Specify size (in KB)"
In the first drop down, select" at least"
In the second drop down type 100000
Scroll down and select "more advanced options"
Check the box labeled "search hidden files and folders"
Now click the Search button.
After the search completes, go to view on the top
toolbar and select
"details", then arrange icons by size.
Look for the largest files and let us know what you find.


Select "more advanced options"

ABOVE SEARCH CRITERIA:
With protected sys files showing:
pagefile 786,432kb
EURART 125,000KB
EUR CD 626,896KB
Looks like a ghost :-))
BTW no Norton on here

On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 01:17:12 +0100, Phil wrote:

Thanks but i had worked ot out eventually :-)
It shows a total of 2056321415.00 bytes.
Did you see the result i got with the EasyCleaner | Space Usage
http://ptm2.cc.utu.fi/ftp/windows/tools/EClea1_7.exe

That tells me that I have 84% free space?
I removed autoroute, that gave me an extra 1% disk space :-(

If we try hard enough, I bet we could get the rest of that drive filled up
with more free programs for you to try

I hesitate to suggest running chkdsk. If there is a disk problem - physical
or just a sick file system - running this tool could make things worse. On
the other hand, it might straighten out the weird report of free space. If
you have your important data backed up, you may want to give that a try.

Also, might want to try hard drive diagnostic tools. These are available
from the hard drive manufacturers. They go on a floppy. Boot the machine
with the floppy disk and run the tests according to the directions.

--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows XP Shell/User

working in this KB article-
http://support.microsoft.com/default...&Product=winxp

where?? do i find the following. Options in which program please?
1.. Start Ntbackup.exe, click Options on the Tools menu, click the Backup
Log tab, and then click Detailed.
2.. Click the Backup tab, back up the entire volume that is affected (in
this example, drive D), and then start the backup procedure.

using KB article:
http://support.microsoft.com/default...&Product=winxp

C:\Documents and Settings\Philchkdsk c:
The type of the file system is NTFS.

WARNING! F parameter not specified.
Running CHKDSK in read-only mode.

CHKDSK is verifying files (stage 1 of 3)...
File verification completed.
CHKDSK is verifying indexes (stage 2 of 3)...
Index verification completed.
CHKDSK is verifying security descriptors (stage 3 of 3)...
Security descriptor verification completed.
Correcting errors in the Volume Bitmap.
Windows found problems with the file system.
Run CHKDSK with the /F (fix) option to correct these.

80027765 KB total disk space.
56576232 KB in 297148 files.
71336 KB in 1994 indexes.
0 KB in bad sectors.
373285 KB in use by the system.
65536 KB occupied by the log file.
23006912 KB available on disk.

4096 bytes in each allocation unit.
20006941 total allocation units on disk.
5751728 allocation units available on disk.

------------
C:\Documents and Settings\Philchkdsk /F
The type of the file system is NTFS.
Cannot lock current drive.

Chkdsk cannot run because the volume is in use by another
process. Would you like to schedule this volume to be
checked the next time the system restarts? (Y/N)

------------------------------
Selected Y - rebooting.
Result after chkdsk /f
---

80027765 KB total disk space.
56574760 KB in 297030 files.
71336 KB in 1994 indexes.
0 KB in bad sectors.
373285 KB in use by the system.
65536 KB occupied by the log file.
23008384 KB available on disk.

4096 bytes in each allocation unit.
20006941 total allocation units on disk.
5752096 allocation units available on disk.
------------------
I see only three changes:

56576232 KB in 297148 files. (1st run)
56574760 KB in 297030 files. (2nd run)
---
23006912 KB available on disk. (1st run)
23008384 KB available on disk. (2nd run)
---
5751728 allocation units available on disk. (1st run)
5752096 allocation units available on disk. (2nd run)
----------
Drive C: ERDNT Properties
Size 4.21 GB (4,523,535,926 bytes)
Size on disk 4.08 GB (4,389,797,639 bytes)
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Phil wrote:

I note that on a 80GB drive I only have 28% free space,
after a month of use?
Where to look to determine the "hog"

EasyCleaner | Space Usage
http://ptm2.cc.utu.fi/ftp/windows/tools/EClea1_7.exe


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http://www.bootdisk.com/

Result
From a command prompt, send the output of a dir /a /s to a text file.

anyone see anything here please?

0 File(s) 0 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\My Documents\My Music

02/03/2004 13:02 DIR .
02/03/2004 13:02 DIR ..
02/03/2004 13:02 181 Desktop.ini
01/03/2004 19:42 638 Sample Music.lnk
2 File(s) 819 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\My Documents\My Pictures

25/03/2004 15:45 DIR .
25/03/2004 15:45 DIR ..
29/02/2004 18:14 5,928 beer.jpg
16/03/2004 12:52 183 Desktop.ini
18/03/2004 01:27 1,334 Grrr.bmp
16/03/2004 12:52 668 Sample Pictures.lnk
25/03/2004 15:45 6,144 Thumbs.db
5 File(s) 14,257 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\My Documents\My Received Files

16/03/2004 19:05 DIR .
16/03/2004 19:05 DIR ..
0 File(s) 0 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\My Documents\My Videos

22/03/2004 13:37 DIR .
22/03/2004 13:37 DIR ..
01/03/2004 19:52 182 Desktop.ini
19/11/2002 11:41 643,170 Windows Movie Maker 2 Sample File.WMV
23/08/2001 13:00 369,565 Windows Movie Maker Sample File.wmv
3 File(s) 1,012,917 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\My Documents\Ulead VideoStudio

02/03/2004 19:49 DIR .
02/03/2004 19:49 DIR ..
0 File(s) 0 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\NetHood

09/03/2004 19:36 DIR .
09/03/2004 19:36 DIR ..
09/03/2004 19:36 DIR SharedDocs on XP (********)
0 File(s) 0 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\NetHood\SharedDocs on XP
(Jakenpad
dy)

09/03/2004 19:36 DIR .
09/03/2004 19:36 DIR ..
09/03/2004 19:36 75 Desktop.ini
23/03/2004 23:45 448 target.lnk
2 File(s) 523 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\PrintHood

01/03/2004 19:11 DIR .
01/03/2004 19:11 DIR ..
0 File(s) 0 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\Recent

04/04/2004 20:03 DIR .
04/04/2004 20:03 DIR ..
03/04/2004 21:31 150 Desktop.ini
04/04/2004 14:13 425 DMF2_WKLog.lnk
04/04/2004 20:03 569 Files named @.lnk
04/04/2004 14:13 293 Local Disk (C).lnk
04/04/2004 09:07 537 VolumeC.lnk
04/04/2004 14:13 544 VolumeC2.lnk
6 File(s) 2,518 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\SendTo

18/03/2004 15:45 DIR .
18/03/2004 15:45 DIR ..
01/03/2004 19:30 0 Compressed (zipped)
Folder.ZFSendToTarget
01/03/2004 19:30 0 Desktop (create shortcut).DeskLink
01/03/2004 19:30 181 desktop.ini
17/03/2004 08:56 176 FinePrint.lnk
01/03/2004 19:30 0 Mail Recipient.MAPIMail
01/03/2004 19:42 0 My Documents.mydocs
6 File(s) 357 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\Start Menu

01/03/2004 19:11 DIR .
01/03/2004 19:11 DIR ..
01/03/2004 19:11 62 desktop.ini
04/04/2004 07:32 DIR Programs
1 File(s) 62 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\Start Menu\Programs

04/04/2004 07:32 DIR .
04/04/2004 07:32 DIR ..
18/03/2004 19:27 DIR Accessories
04/04/2004 07:32 DIR Administrative Tools
18/03/2004 19:27 DIR Cookie Pal
02/03/2004 13:02 292 desktop.ini
18/03/2004 19:33 DIR FinePrint
02/03/2004 13:02 767 Internet Explorer.lnk
18/03/2004 19:32 DIR Karen's Power Tools
18/03/2004 19:27 DIR Lavasoft Ad-aware 6
18/03/2004 19:33 DIR OE-QuoteFix
02/03/2004 13:02 738 Outlook Express.lnk
18/03/2004 19:27 DIR PC Magazine Utilities
06/03/2004 18:35 1,599 Remote Assistance.lnk
03/04/2004 20:51 DIR Startup
04/04/2004 11:21 1,481 Windows Explorer.lnk
13/03/2004 17:23 792 Windows Media Player.lnk
6 File(s) 5,669 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\Start Menu\Programs\Accessories

18/03/2004 19:27 DIR .
18/03/2004 19:27 DIR ..
01/03/2004 19:31 DIR Accessibility
02/03/2004 13:02 774 Address Book.lnk
01/03/2004 19:31 1,555 Command Prompt.lnk
02/03/2004 13:02 542 desktop.ini
18/03/2004 19:31 DIR Entertainment
01/03/2004 19:31 1,519 Notepad.lnk
01/03/2004 19:31 386 Program Compatibility Wizard.lnk
01/03/2004 19:31 1,519 Synchronize.lnk
02/03/2004 20:16 1,527 Tour Windows XP.lnk
7 File(s) 7,822 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\Start
Menu\Programs\Accessories\Ac
cessibility

01/03/2004 19:31 DIR .
01/03/2004 19:31 DIR ..
01/03/2004 19:31 348 desktop.ini
01/03/2004 19:31 1,525 Magnifier.lnk
01/03/2004 19:31 1,532 Narrator.lnk
01/03/2004 19:31 1,501 On-Screen Keyboard.lnk
01/03/2004 19:31 1,539 Utility Manager.lnk
5 File(s) 6,445 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\Start
Menu\Programs\Accessories\En
tertainment

18/03/2004 19:31 DIR .
18/03/2004 19:31 DIR ..
01/03/2004 19:31 84 desktop.ini
13/03/2004 17:23 804 Windows Media Player.lnk
2 File(s) 888 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\Start
Menu\Programs\Administrative
Tools

04/04/2004 07:32 DIR .
04/04/2004 07:32 DIR ..
0 File(s) 0 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\Start Menu\Programs\Cookie Pal

18/03/2004 19:27 DIR .
18/03/2004 19:27 DIR ..
02/03/2004 20:45 1,520 Cookie Pal Help.lnk
02/03/2004 20:45 1,510 Cookie Pal.lnk
02/03/2004 20:45 1,553 Uninstall Cookie Pal.lnk
3 File(s) 4,583 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\Start Menu\Programs\FinePrint

18/03/2004 19:33 DIR .
18/03/2004 19:33 DIR ..
16/03/2004 18:42 1,799 Explore FinePrint files.lnk
16/03/2004 18:42 1,871 FinePrint Dispatcher.lnk
16/03/2004 18:42 892 FinePrint Help.lnk
16/03/2004 18:42 920 FinePrint Readme.lnk
16/03/2004 18:42 1,848 Uninstall FinePrint.lnk
5 File(s) 7,330 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\Start Menu\Programs\Karen's
Power
Tools

18/03/2004 19:32 DIR .
18/03/2004 19:32 DIR ..
14/03/2004 13:45 757 Cookie Viewer.LNK
1 File(s) 757 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\Start Menu\Programs\Lavasoft
Ad-aw
are 6

18/03/2004 19:27 DIR .
18/03/2004 19:27 DIR ..
02/03/2004 21:01 731 Ad-aware 6 user manual.lnk
02/03/2004 21:01 743 Ad-aware 6.lnk
02/03/2004 21:01 731 Uninstall Ad-aware 6.lnk
3 File(s) 2,205 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\Start Menu\Programs\OE-QuoteFix

18/03/2004 19:33 DIR .
18/03/2004 19:33 DIR ..
16/03/2004 21:28 808 Documentation.lnk
16/03/2004 21:28 745 Donations.lnk
16/03/2004 21:28 777 OE-QuoteFix - stand-alone.lnk
16/03/2004 21:28 781 Outlook Express with OE-QuoteFix.lnk
16/03/2004 21:28 788 Stylesheet Preview.lnk
16/03/2004 21:28 740 Uninstall.lnk
6 File(s) 4,639 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\Start Menu\Programs\PC Magazine
Ut
ilities

18/03/2004 19:27 DIR .
18/03/2004 19:27 DIR ..
03/03/2004 15:56 774 FavOrg.lnk
1 File(s) 774 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\Start Menu\Programs\Startup

03/04/2004 20:51 DIR .
03/04/2004 20:51 DIR ..
01/03/2004 19:31 84 desktop.ini
1 File(s) 84 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\Templates

01/03/2004 19:28 DIR .
01/03/2004 19:28 DIR ..
23/08/2001 13:00 4,570 amipro.sam
23/08/2001 13:00 5,632 excel.xls
23/08/2001 13:00 1,518 excel4.xls
23/08/2001 13:00 2,448 lotus.wk4
23/08/2001 13:00 12,288 powerpnt.ppt
23/08/2001 13:00 461 presenta.shw
23/08/2001 13:00 4,017 quattro.wb2
23/08/2001 13:00 58 sndrec.wav
23/08/2001 13:00 4,608 winword.doc
23/08/2001 13:00 1,769 winword2.doc
23/08/2001 13:00 30 wordpfct.wpd
23/08/2001 13:00 57 wordpfct.wpg
12 File(s) 37,456 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\UserData

18/03/2004 19:26 DIR .
18/03/2004 19:26 DIR ..
03/04/2004 22:16 DIR CZ0JKZMN
03/04/2004 22:16 32,768 index.dat
25/03/2004 11:31 DIR QNAT8RWX
10/03/2004 11:39 DIR WFKZ0N2L
18/03/2004 19:26 DIR ZQU7NHVX
1 File(s) 32,768 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\UserData\CZ0JKZMN

03/04/2004 22:16 DIR .
03/04/2004 22:16 DIR ..
03/04/2004 22:16 388 oXMLStore[1].xml
1 File(s) 388 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\UserData\QNAT8RWX

25/03/2004 11:31 DIR .
25/03/2004 11:31 DIR ..
02/04/2004 23:49 442 oWindowsUpdate[1].xml
1 File(s) 442 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\UserData\WFKZ0N2L

10/03/2004 11:39 DIR .
10/03/2004 11:39 DIR ..
10/03/2004 11:39 730 oXMLStore[1].xml
1 File(s) 730 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\UserData\ZQU7NHVX

18/03/2004 19:26 DIR .
18/03/2004 19:26 DIR ..
0 File(s) 0 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\WINDOWS

18/03/2004 19:23 DIR .
18/03/2004 19:23 DIR ..
18/03/2004 19:23 DIR system
0 File(s) 0 bytes

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\WINDOWS\system

18/03/2004 19:23 DIR .
18/03/2004 19:23 DIR ..
0 File(s) 0 bytes

Total Files Listed:
1162 File(s) 219,868,304 bytes
566 Dir(s) 23,558,119,424 bytes free

On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 22:38:42 +0100, Phil wrote:

working in this KB article-
http://support.microsoft.com/default...&Product=winxp

where?? do i find the following. Options in which program please?
1.. Start Ntbackup.exe, click Options on the Tools menu, click the Backup
Log tab, and then click Detailed.
2.. Click the Backup tab, back up the entire volume that is affected (in
this example, drive D), and then start the backup procedure.

Using XP Pro? Should find Backup (NTBackup) under System Tools in the Start
menu. When you start NTBackup, you should see a menu bar along the top. One
of the available menus is Tools and Options is underneath that. If you get
this far, the rest falls into place.

Question: The procedure from this article says to create a full backup. You
can delete the backup later as the object is to get a complete file list
from the backup log file. Where are you going to store that backup set?
There is no compression with NTBackup (except, I think, maybe with tape
backup).

If you have XP Home, it is a separate installation - not included as a
Windows component. It is in the ValueAdd folder on the XP Home CD:

HOW TO: Install Backup from the CD-ROM in Windows XP Home Edition
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=302894

Suggestion:
May want to take a look at these two very small (and free) programs
TreeSize and FileList from:
http://www.jam-software.com/freeware/index.shtml

I think FileList will accomplish the same thing that the MS Knowledge Base
article is trying to do : create a filelist. Don't know if it can reach
beyond permissions as NTBackup though.

Treesize can help to show what files/folders are carrying the bulk of the
missing space.

--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows XP Shell/User

"Plato" |@|.| wrote in message
...

EasyCleaner | Space Usage
http://ptm2.cc.utu.fi/ftp/windows/tools/EClea1_7.exe

That tells me that I have 84% free space?
Good grief!!!! :-)

On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 22:46:02 +0100, Phil wrote:

Result
From a command prompt, send the output of a dir /a /s to a text file.

anyone see anything here please?

Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\Phil\My Documents\Ulead VideoStudio

Check with Ulead about this program. Someone else posted this week about a
problem with it... I think they were uninstalling and having some trouble
getting back disk space but can't recall exactly. Sorry my memory's hazy on
the details and sorry if it's a false lead.

Question: Do you know if you have a hidden partition on that drive with the
OEM recovery files?

--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows XP Shell/User

"Sharon F" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 22:46:02 +0100, Phil wrote:
Check with Ulead about this program. Someone else posted this week about a
problem with it... I think they were uninstalling and having some trouble
getting back disk space but can't recall exactly. Sorry my memory's hazy
on
the details and sorry if it's a false lead.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?E2F514FE7
Not as much space as i 'seem' to be missing?


Question: Do you know if you have a hidden partition on that drive with
the
OEM recovery files?

Not that i know of?
BTW i am stuck with what command prompt to use in the filelist application
you suggested?

On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 23:54:49 +0100, Phil wrote:

BTW i am stuck with what command prompt to use in the filelist application
you suggested?

Place filelist and its DLL into the Windows folder. Open a command prompt
window (CMD.EXE) and try:

FILELIST C: list.csv

The resulting file will show up in Documents and Settings\your account

It can be imported to Excel or a similar program. Most database and
spreadsheet programs allow you to sort a column by numerical value.

--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows XP Shell/User