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Old May 2nd 04, 04:05 PM
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Default Replace Mobo in XP??

Also be careful about not having any encrypted files or folders made
private. I remember that once I could not access my data after a new install
because I had password. Or learn how to back up your encryption keys.


"TT" wrote in message
...
one_red_eye wrote:

"jim" wrote in message
...

I'd like to ask some questions about replacing/changing a mobo in an XP


pro

system. I've done some research on this issue and have come to the


following

conclusions.

XP is not quite as Plug & Play as 98[SE] was in this regard. One can not
just take the OS HD and put it in another box and expect it to boot and
re-find everything and install all the appropriate drivers etc. like it
would in 98SE.

The limitations appear to be in two areas. The first is the HAL which is


a

function of the CPU and number thereof and presence/absence of ACPI mobo
BIOS. The second is the HD drivers.

I've found all sorts of site/articles regarding how to do this and fix


these

issues for the mobo ATA controller case. Other HD cases seem to be
tractable using the F6 install drivers(SCSI technique). One that seems
to
be similar to many others regarding the mobo ATA HD issue is:
www.mostlycreativeworkshop.com/article11.html

My conclusion is that one should make the registry and file additions on


any

XP system so that failure recovery on new hardware is more convenient at
a
later time. Am I missing something here or is that about right.

The second issue is that HAL. If the old and new systems are single CPU
ACPI mobos then everything works. It makes no difference is one is a VIA
chipset and Athlon and the other an Intel chipset and an Intel CPU. Do I
have this right so far?

If one is going from a single CPU case to a new P4 supporting HT then one
must force in a new HAL for multiprocessor ACPI. Apparently that can be
done in Recovery console or by putting the HD in another system where


files

may be manipulated before attempting a boot on the new mobo. Right so


far?

Are the above the only two issues? Will all the other gadgets and


chipsets

etc. be redetected and appropriate drivers installed? Will one be able
to
boot and move forward in most all cases if the above two issues are dealt
with?



Why not back up your data and reinstall on the new setup?
If the old MB is bad, install your drive as a slave in another PC then
backup.

I agree-why all the extra headache when you could just either back up
or install it as a slave or partition it first and dual boot?...



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  #362  
Old May 2nd 04, 04:05 PM
jim is an idiot
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jim wrote:
"wojo" wrote in message
...
"Diogenes" wrote in message
s.com...
wojo wrote:
"Diogenes" wrote in message
s.com...
jim wrote:
"-Cryogenic-©" wrote in message
...
Zknb wrote:

Really?

I have swapped quite a few motherboards with XP Pro.

When XP restarted it detected all the new hardware and
installed (or asked for) any new drivers that were needed.

Never had a problem...

And if it doesn't work (it doesn't always work), you resort to
the "repair install" method. That's what we're all trying to
tell the guy!

Not all but just a few wackos unable to deal with the fact that
an alternative does exist.

Yes, I see all of your believers supporting you.

Have you considered holding your breath and stomping your feet
until someone
agrees with you?

What do you think will happen 1st?
He'll pass out. Or his feet will get too sore to continue stomping.

To him, it has become a Holy Grail. Surely his flock of followers
will save
him... before he loses consciousness. Let's hope he does in on the
rim of Kilauea.


Except so far I haven't seen any followers


Except for the folks who report it works here for them and the web is
full of more such folks and the "how to-s" so associated. Just the


Liar. Cites.

local fogger trolls are troubled and that's not surprising as they
been telling folks that it can't be done. Such folks always go
crackers when they are shown to have been blowing frags for sometime.


Liar. They know far more workable methods to do things than do you.

Such trolls always attack the poster rather than cite any real
support for their debunked assertions.


Liar. Only idiots (that would be you) get attacked.

Notice how they form up into little troll packs. If one views their
posting history in Google Groups then what they are becomes apparent.


Liar. If you knew how to use Google Groups, you wouldn't have made such an
absurd post in the first place.

  #363  
Old May 2nd 04, 05:35 PM
news.verizon.net
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Default Replace Mobo in XP??

Also be careful about not having any encrypted files or folders made
private. I remember that once I could not access my data after a new install
because I had password. Or learn how to back up your encryption keys.


"TT" wrote in message
...
one_red_eye wrote:

"jim" wrote in message
...

I'd like to ask some questions about replacing/changing a mobo in an XP


pro

system. I've done some research on this issue and have come to the


following

conclusions.

XP is not quite as Plug & Play as 98[SE] was in this regard. One can not
just take the OS HD and put it in another box and expect it to boot and
re-find everything and install all the appropriate drivers etc. like it
would in 98SE.

The limitations appear to be in two areas. The first is the HAL which is


a

function of the CPU and number thereof and presence/absence of ACPI mobo
BIOS. The second is the HD drivers.

I've found all sorts of site/articles regarding how to do this and fix


these

issues for the mobo ATA controller case. Other HD cases seem to be
tractable using the F6 install drivers(SCSI technique). One that seems
to
be similar to many others regarding the mobo ATA HD issue is:
www.mostlycreativeworkshop.com/article11.html

My conclusion is that one should make the registry and file additions on


any

XP system so that failure recovery on new hardware is more convenient at
a
later time. Am I missing something here or is that about right.

The second issue is that HAL. If the old and new systems are single CPU
ACPI mobos then everything works. It makes no difference is one is a VIA
chipset and Athlon and the other an Intel chipset and an Intel CPU. Do I
have this right so far?

If one is going from a single CPU case to a new P4 supporting HT then one
must force in a new HAL for multiprocessor ACPI. Apparently that can be
done in Recovery console or by putting the HD in another system where


files

may be manipulated before attempting a boot on the new mobo. Right so


far?

Are the above the only two issues? Will all the other gadgets and


chipsets

etc. be redetected and appropriate drivers installed? Will one be able
to
boot and move forward in most all cases if the above two issues are dealt
with?



Why not back up your data and reinstall on the new setup?
If the old MB is bad, install your drive as a slave in another PC then
backup.

I agree-why all the extra headache when you could just either back up
or install it as a slave or partition it first and dual boot?...



  #364  
Old May 2nd 04, 05:35 PM
jim is an idiot
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Default Replace Mobo in XP??

jim wrote:
"wojo" wrote in message
...
"Diogenes" wrote in message
s.com...
wojo wrote:
"Diogenes" wrote in message
s.com...
jim wrote:
"-Cryogenic-©" wrote in message
...
Zknb wrote:

Really?

I have swapped quite a few motherboards with XP Pro.

When XP restarted it detected all the new hardware and
installed (or asked for) any new drivers that were needed.

Never had a problem...

And if it doesn't work (it doesn't always work), you resort to
the "repair install" method. That's what we're all trying to
tell the guy!

Not all but just a few wackos unable to deal with the fact that
an alternative does exist.

Yes, I see all of your believers supporting you.

Have you considered holding your breath and stomping your feet
until someone
agrees with you?

What do you think will happen 1st?
He'll pass out. Or his feet will get too sore to continue stomping.

To him, it has become a Holy Grail. Surely his flock of followers
will save
him... before he loses consciousness. Let's hope he does in on the
rim of Kilauea.


Except so far I haven't seen any followers


Except for the folks who report it works here for them and the web is
full of more such folks and the "how to-s" so associated. Just the


Liar. Cites.

local fogger trolls are troubled and that's not surprising as they
been telling folks that it can't be done. Such folks always go
crackers when they are shown to have been blowing frags for sometime.


Liar. They know far more workable methods to do things than do you.

Such trolls always attack the poster rather than cite any real
support for their debunked assertions.


Liar. Only idiots (that would be you) get attacked.

Notice how they form up into little troll packs. If one views their
posting history in Google Groups then what they are becomes apparent.


Liar. If you knew how to use Google Groups, you wouldn't have made such an
absurd post in the first place.

  #365  
Old May 2nd 04, 06:53 PM
jim is an idiot
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Default Replace Mobo in XP??

jim wrote:
"wojo" wrote in message
...
"Diogenes" wrote in message
s.com...
wojo wrote:
"Diogenes" wrote in message
s.com...
jim wrote:
"-Cryogenic-©" wrote in message
...
Zknb wrote:

Really?

I have swapped quite a few motherboards with XP Pro.

When XP restarted it detected all the new hardware and
installed (or asked for) any new drivers that were needed.

Never had a problem...

And if it doesn't work (it doesn't always work), you resort to
the "repair install" method. That's what we're all trying to
tell the guy!

Not all but just a few wackos unable to deal with the fact that
an alternative does exist.

Yes, I see all of your believers supporting you.

Have you considered holding your breath and stomping your feet
until someone
agrees with you?

What do you think will happen 1st?
He'll pass out. Or his feet will get too sore to continue stomping.

To him, it has become a Holy Grail. Surely his flock of followers
will save
him... before he loses consciousness. Let's hope he does in on the
rim of Kilauea.


Except so far I haven't seen any followers


Except for the folks who report it works here for them and the web is
full of more such folks and the "how to-s" so associated. Just the


Liar. Cites.

local fogger trolls are troubled and that's not surprising as they
been telling folks that it can't be done. Such folks always go
crackers when they are shown to have been blowing frags for sometime.


Liar. They know far more workable methods to do things than do you.

Such trolls always attack the poster rather than cite any real
support for their debunked assertions.


Liar. Only idiots (that would be you) get attacked.

Notice how they form up into little troll packs. If one views their
posting history in Google Groups then what they are becomes apparent.


Liar. If you knew how to use Google Groups, you wouldn't have made such an
absurd post in the first place.

  #366  
Old May 2nd 04, 08:05 PM
jim is an idiot
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Posts: n/a
Default Replace Mobo in XP??

jim wrote:
"wojo" wrote in message
...
"Diogenes" wrote in message
s.com...
wojo wrote:
"Diogenes" wrote in message
s.com...
jim wrote:
"-Cryogenic-©" wrote in message
...
Zknb wrote:

Really?

I have swapped quite a few motherboards with XP Pro.

When XP restarted it detected all the new hardware and
installed (or asked for) any new drivers that were needed.

Never had a problem...

And if it doesn't work (it doesn't always work), you resort to
the "repair install" method. That's what we're all trying to
tell the guy!

Not all but just a few wackos unable to deal with the fact that
an alternative does exist.

Yes, I see all of your believers supporting you.

Have you considered holding your breath and stomping your feet
until someone
agrees with you?

What do you think will happen 1st?
He'll pass out. Or his feet will get too sore to continue stomping.

To him, it has become a Holy Grail. Surely his flock of followers
will save
him... before he loses consciousness. Let's hope he does in on the
rim of Kilauea.


Except so far I haven't seen any followers


Except for the folks who report it works here for them and the web is
full of more such folks and the "how to-s" so associated. Just the


Liar. Cites.

local fogger trolls are troubled and that's not surprising as they
been telling folks that it can't be done. Such folks always go
crackers when they are shown to have been blowing frags for sometime.


Liar. They know far more workable methods to do things than do you.

Such trolls always attack the poster rather than cite any real
support for their debunked assertions.


Liar. Only idiots (that would be you) get attacked.

Notice how they form up into little troll packs. If one views their
posting history in Google Groups then what they are becomes apparent.


Liar. If you knew how to use Google Groups, you wouldn't have made such an
absurd post in the first place.

  #367  
Old May 3rd 04, 04:37 AM
Franksta
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Default Replace Mobo in XP??

Hmmm ... I have been reading this thread trying to figure out what you are
trying to achieve but it seems you are only talking about a hardware swap in
Win XP (home or pro makes no difference).

If I had a whole day to swap hardware parts and tootoo with the OS, then
yea, why not do it your way, would beat the hell out of having to check the
same install screen between other tasks. But I think the guys here are
working on the following premise : expediance and highest possibility for
success.

Change the hardware, reboot and test -working, excellent done! If not
working next step
Try reinstall over the top (aforementioned repair install) then test -
working, great finished! If not working
Slave back-up, clean, reinstall - not working
Other issue, different job - tshoot accordingly

Admin time ... about an hour or so spread over a day. Your way if it works
may shave time off but it looks pretty prone for failure at the moment, so
you spend about an hour or so working through the recovery console and the
F6 driver install page, make it work ... nice job. Don't make it work ...
start on the process above. This effectively doubles the admin time to
complete a simple hardware swap.

Hmmm ... let me see which I would go for ... 1 hour max or 2 plus hours.

I think I would go for the hour at this stage, means I get more time to
search for those elusive "Fix it all, forever" documents that I am sure
someone has on the net.


  #368  
Old May 3rd 04, 11:24 AM
Franksta
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Posts: n/a
Default Replace Mobo in XP??

Hmmm ... I have been reading this thread trying to figure out what you are
trying to achieve but it seems you are only talking about a hardware swap in
Win XP (home or pro makes no difference).

If I had a whole day to swap hardware parts and tootoo with the OS, then
yea, why not do it your way, would beat the hell out of having to check the
same install screen between other tasks. But I think the guys here are
working on the following premise : expediance and highest possibility for
success.

Change the hardware, reboot and test -working, excellent done! If not
working next step
Try reinstall over the top (aforementioned repair install) then test -
working, great finished! If not working
Slave back-up, clean, reinstall - not working
Other issue, different job - tshoot accordingly

Admin time ... about an hour or so spread over a day. Your way if it works
may shave time off but it looks pretty prone for failure at the moment, so
you spend about an hour or so working through the recovery console and the
F6 driver install page, make it work ... nice job. Don't make it work ...
start on the process above. This effectively doubles the admin time to
complete a simple hardware swap.

Hmmm ... let me see which I would go for ... 1 hour max or 2 plus hours.

I think I would go for the hour at this stage, means I get more time to
search for those elusive "Fix it all, forever" documents that I am sure
someone has on the net.


  #369  
Old May 3rd 04, 12:14 PM
Franksta
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Posts: n/a
Default Replace Mobo in XP??

Hmmm ... I have been reading this thread trying to figure out what you are
trying to achieve but it seems you are only talking about a hardware swap in
Win XP (home or pro makes no difference).

If I had a whole day to swap hardware parts and tootoo with the OS, then
yea, why not do it your way, would beat the hell out of having to check the
same install screen between other tasks. But I think the guys here are
working on the following premise : expediance and highest possibility for
success.

Change the hardware, reboot and test -working, excellent done! If not
working next step
Try reinstall over the top (aforementioned repair install) then test -
working, great finished! If not working
Slave back-up, clean, reinstall - not working
Other issue, different job - tshoot accordingly

Admin time ... about an hour or so spread over a day. Your way if it works
may shave time off but it looks pretty prone for failure at the moment, so
you spend about an hour or so working through the recovery console and the
F6 driver install page, make it work ... nice job. Don't make it work ...
start on the process above. This effectively doubles the admin time to
complete a simple hardware swap.

Hmmm ... let me see which I would go for ... 1 hour max or 2 plus hours.

I think I would go for the hour at this stage, means I get more time to
search for those elusive "Fix it all, forever" documents that I am sure
someone has on the net.


  #370  
Old May 5th 04, 09:57 PM
Kadaitcha Man
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Default Replace Mobo in XP??

relic wrote:
Kadaitcha Man wrote:
Diogenes wrote:
jim wrote:
"-Cryogenic-©" wrote in message
...
Zknb wrote:

Really?

I have swapped quite a few motherboards with XP Pro.

When XP restarted it detected all the new hardware and installed
(or asked for) any new drivers that were needed.

Never had a problem...

And if it doesn't work (it doesn't always work), you resort to the
"repair install" method. That's what we're all trying to tell the
guy!

Not all but just a few wackos unable to deal with the fact that an
alternative does exist.

Yes, I see all of your believers supporting you.

Have you considered holding your breath and stomping your feet until
someone agrees with you?


Maybe they're all confusing XP with win98. With all the ****e those
turds spout, it' wouldn't be a surprise.


Well, he did cross-post to the microsoft.public groups. Someone
there will pick up on his thoery and start citing it as if it were
bible.


He also crossposted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk but it won't have any effect
on the group repertoire at all. This is all 24hoursupport.helpdesk is good
for...

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