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  #46  
Old July 23rd 04, 02:50 PM
Danny Mingledorff
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"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote in message
...
Jone Doe wrote:
gigantic snip of whining

Windows XP operating system is not like an orange, or a banana to use
one of the more ridiculous examples from an earlier post. It is an
operating system, an intellectual property that is not sold per se,
but rented or leased to be used in one system. If you don't like the
terms of use of the system, don't use it. Get with Al Gore, who
invented the internet after all, and come up with a system that uses
binary codes of zeros and ones to do something useful, copyright it,
and sell it.


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Al Gore?! You mean Al Gore as in the ex-vice president?! I don't *THINK*

so!
The internet started life in 1969 as ARPANET (Advanced Research Projects
Agency NETwork) which went live in October of that year (my US history is

a
little hazy, but I believe Richard Nixon was president at the time. Al

Gore
would have been 21 at the time. In '69 he was at Harvard studying

politics).

The WWW, OTOH, was invented by Tim Berners-Lee, a Brit working at CERN

(the
European Particle Physics lab in Geneva) in 1980. He invented HTTP and

HTML
in 1990. For more info, see http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/lee.html.



You forgot to add that Al was also inspiring Erich Segal to write "Love
Story".

....danny


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  #47  
Old July 23rd 04, 03:00 PM
Unknown
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I most certainly would like to read your lawyers answer. Please contact him
and post his answer here.
"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
Like I said semantics. Why don't you ask a lawyer?


You don't want to know what my lawyer has to say about this. It's *not*
semantics. Words have definitions, both in a connotative and dennotative
sense.

Alias
"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
You are doing nothing but arguing semantics. Do you buy one automobile
license
and use it on several cars?

A car is a product. MS says their software is a product. Automobile

licenses
are not products.

Alias
"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Jone Doe" wrote

gigantic snip of whining

Windows XP operating system is not like an orange, or a banana to

use
one
of
the more ridiculous examples from an earlier post. It is an

operating
system, an intellectual property that is not sold per se, but

rented
or
leased to be used in one system. If you don't like the terms of

use
of
the
system, don't use it. Get with Al Gore, who invented the internet
after
all, and come up with a system that uses binary codes of zeros and
ones to
do something useful, copyright it, and sell it.

Then why does Microsoft call it a "product"??? A banana is a

product,
isn't
it? One pays for a product and one can do whatever one wants to

unless
it's
computer software? And don't tell me they don't call their software

a
product rather than a license because I just read on my legitimate

copy
of
XP Pro where there is an email for *product* support, not *rental*
support.

No wonder MS has never taken anyone to court; they'd lose.

Alias









  #48  
Old July 23rd 04, 03:05 PM
DJS0302
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I find this unconscionable. I contest this based on the fact that I
purchased a copy of the software which is mine. M$ owns the code, and I
may not reverse engineer it, but I should dang well be able to use my
copy of the software as I please in the privacy of my own home for
non-commercial purposes. It's called fair use rights.

--
hermes



I like to compare owning a copy of Windows with owning a book. Both are
intellectual properties. It's illegal for me to make copies of either one and
sell them. The only difference is I don't have to buy multiple copies of the
same book for each room in my house.
  #49  
Old July 23rd 04, 03:14 PM
Alias
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"Plato" |@|.| wrote

Alias wrote:

Are you serious? Regardless of the reason, WPA is an inconvenience for
bonafide users and isn't one for users of cracked versions.


It appears that you have not fully comprehended Bruce's post. Get off
your bong for a few days and read it again.


Hm, an ad hominem attack. Can't you do better than that?

Alias


  #50  
Old July 23rd 04, 03:54 PM
Plato
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Alias wrote:

Are you serious? Regardless of the reason, WPA is an inconvenience for
bonafide users and isn't one for users of cracked versions.


It appears that you have not fully comprehended Bruce's post. Get off
your bong for a few days and read it again.


Hm, an ad hominem attack. Can't you do better than that?


[grin] I'm not much of a flamer so sorry, it's the best I can muster


  #51  
Old July 23rd 04, 04:05 PM
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
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As far a software is concerned, Microsoft is not selling software.
Also Microsoft is not renting software.
Although the detractors often attempt to spread this misinformation to
the ignorant.

Microsoft sells a license to use the software under terms agreed to by
both parties.

If you choose to ignore the other options I suppose you will feel
there is no choice.
The people that use Linux for one will disagree with you when you say
there is no choice.
Many of them are quite happy with the operating system.
Many people use Open Office and are quite pleased.
There are no options for those who choose not to see.

You are not forced to buy it at all.
Whether to buy or not is a CHOICE each buyer needs to make.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
OK if you want your ludicrous example.
If Chiquita put a restriction on the use of their banana, you

would
have a choice to agree or buy from another source.


They *can't* put a restriction on bananas. They were really worried

about
that when they thought that banana peels, when smoked, would get you

high,
thanks to Donovan's Mellow Yellow.

Same with Microsoft or most any product.


Again, I ask you, is MS selling a "product"? I don't think so.

The manufacturer sets the terms if any.
If you do not like the terms set, buy another brand.


The "other brands" do not have a monopoly on computer software. In

effect,
the manufacturer is forcing us to buy his rental of a product.

Alias

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote

The manufacturer of a product has a right to control the usage

of
their product.

Are you sure it's a product we're buying?

Seems like we are buying the right to use something, not

ownership
of the
product. Gosh, that's almost as sneaky as stealing windows from

Apple.

If you do not like the terms, buy from someone else.

Unfortunately for MS, there are other choices, be they using a

pirated
version if you can't afford the priveledge of using the

"product" or
go with
an open source OS. One can only hope that the alternative OSs

can
not only
force MS to lower their prices and loosen their restrictions but

motivate
them to put out a better product.

Your comparison with bananas is ludicrous.

Bananas are "products", are they not? Can you imagine Chiquita

Banana suing
someone for not using their bananas correctly?

Alias







  #52  
Old July 23rd 04, 04:08 PM
Jone Doe
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"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote in message
...
Jone Doe wrote:
gigantic snip of whining

Windows XP operating system is not like an orange, or a banana to use
one of the more ridiculous examples from an earlier post. It is an
operating system, an intellectual property that is not sold per se,
but rented or leased to be used in one system. If you don't like the
terms of use of the system, don't use it. Get with Al Gore, who
invented the internet after all, and come up with a system that uses
binary codes of zeros and ones to do something useful, copyright it,
and sell it.


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Al Gore?! You mean Al Gore as in the ex-vice president?! I don't *THINK*

so!
The internet started life in 1969 as ARPANET (Advanced Research Projects
Agency NETwork) which went live in October of that year (my US history is

a
little hazy, but I believe Richard Nixon was president at the time. Al

Gore
would have been 21 at the time. In '69 he was at Harvard studying

politics).

The WWW, OTOH, was invented by Tim Berners-Lee, a Brit working at CERN

(the
European Particle Physics lab in Geneva) in 1980. He invented HTTP and

HTML
in 1990. For more info, see http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/lee.html.




http://www.governmentexecutive.com/d...9/031299t1.htm

March 12, 1999
Did Al Gore invent the Internet?

By Rebecca S. Weiner, National Journal's
Technology Daily




House Majority Leader Richard Armey, R-Texas, lampooned Vice President Al
Gore Thursday for telling an interviewer that he "took the initiative in
creating the Internet."

"If the Vice President created the Internet then I created the Interstate
highway system," Armey said in a statement released by his office Thursday.
"Both were begun during the Eisenhower Administration and I think Ike
actually deserves a little credit here."

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in
creating the Internet," Gore said during an interview with CNN's Wolf
Blitzer, according to a CNN transcript.

Gore, who leads for the Democratic presidential nomination, has made
technology his trademark issue.

"Vice President Gore first popularized the term 'Information Superhighway'
more than 20 years ago and stands on the shoulders of great thinkers who
created the foundation for what is now the Internet," a Gore spokeswoman
said.

In fact, both men have rewritten a bit of history.

The precursor to the Internet, a Defense Department project called ARPANet,
was begun in 1969 under Richard Nixon's administration. That was seven years
before Gore was first elected to the House of Representatives.

The Interstate Highway system was indeed begun when Eisenhower was
president - and one of its prime architects was Gore's father, Sen. Albert
Gore, Sr. D-Tenn.


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  #53  
Old July 23rd 04, 04:15 PM
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
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Yes, it would be interesrting to see what your lawyer (the one
successfully specializing in software licensing) has to say.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Alias" wrote in message
...
Trust me, you don't want to hear it.

Alias



  #54  
Old July 23rd 04, 04:15 PM
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
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Your example is not really not all that bad.
Do you remove the book from one room before you take it to another
room?
Or do you copy the book so multiple users in various locations can
read it at the same time?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"DJS0302" wrote in message
news:20040721153928.03786.00001294@mb- I like to compare owning a
copy of Windows with owning a book. Both are
intellectual properties. It's illegal for me to make copies of

either one and
sell them. The only difference is I don't have to buy multiple

copies of the
same book for each room in my house.



  #55  
Old July 23rd 04, 04:27 PM
Alias
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"Plato" |@|.| wrote

Alias wrote:

Are you serious? Regardless of the reason, WPA is an inconvenience for
bonafide users and isn't one for users of cracked versions.


It appears that you have not fully comprehended Bruce's post. Get off
your bong for a few days and read it again.


Hm, an ad hominem attack. Can't you do better than that?

Alias


  #56  
Old July 23rd 04, 05:01 PM
Plato
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Default Why Only On One PC?

Alias wrote:

Are you serious? Regardless of the reason, WPA is an inconvenience for
bonafide users and isn't one for users of cracked versions.


It appears that you have not fully comprehended Bruce's post. Get off
your bong for a few days and read it again.


Hm, an ad hominem attack. Can't you do better than that?


[grin] I'm not much of a flamer so sorry, it's the best I can muster


  #57  
Old July 23rd 04, 05:06 PM
Jone Doe
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Default Why Only On One PC?


"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote in message
...
Jone Doe wrote:
gigantic snip of whining

Windows XP operating system is not like an orange, or a banana to use
one of the more ridiculous examples from an earlier post. It is an
operating system, an intellectual property that is not sold per se,
but rented or leased to be used in one system. If you don't like the
terms of use of the system, don't use it. Get with Al Gore, who
invented the internet after all, and come up with a system that uses
binary codes of zeros and ones to do something useful, copyright it,
and sell it.


---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.725 / Virus Database: 480 - Release Date: 7/19/2004


Al Gore?! You mean Al Gore as in the ex-vice president?! I don't *THINK*

so!
The internet started life in 1969 as ARPANET (Advanced Research Projects
Agency NETwork) which went live in October of that year (my US history is

a
little hazy, but I believe Richard Nixon was president at the time. Al

Gore
would have been 21 at the time. In '69 he was at Harvard studying

politics).

The WWW, OTOH, was invented by Tim Berners-Lee, a Brit working at CERN

(the
European Particle Physics lab in Geneva) in 1980. He invented HTTP and

HTML
in 1990. For more info, see http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/lee.html.




http://www.governmentexecutive.com/d...9/031299t1.htm

March 12, 1999
Did Al Gore invent the Internet?

By Rebecca S. Weiner, National Journal's
Technology Daily




House Majority Leader Richard Armey, R-Texas, lampooned Vice President Al
Gore Thursday for telling an interviewer that he "took the initiative in
creating the Internet."

"If the Vice President created the Internet then I created the Interstate
highway system," Armey said in a statement released by his office Thursday.
"Both were begun during the Eisenhower Administration and I think Ike
actually deserves a little credit here."

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in
creating the Internet," Gore said during an interview with CNN's Wolf
Blitzer, according to a CNN transcript.

Gore, who leads for the Democratic presidential nomination, has made
technology his trademark issue.

"Vice President Gore first popularized the term 'Information Superhighway'
more than 20 years ago and stands on the shoulders of great thinkers who
created the foundation for what is now the Internet," a Gore spokeswoman
said.

In fact, both men have rewritten a bit of history.

The precursor to the Internet, a Defense Department project called ARPANet,
was begun in 1969 under Richard Nixon's administration. That was seven years
before Gore was first elected to the House of Representatives.

The Interstate Highway system was indeed begun when Eisenhower was
president - and one of its prime architects was Gore's father, Sen. Albert
Gore, Sr. D-Tenn.


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  #58  
Old July 23rd 04, 05:07 PM
Danny Mingledorff
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Default Why Only On One PC?


"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote in message
...
Jone Doe wrote:
gigantic snip of whining

Windows XP operating system is not like an orange, or a banana to use
one of the more ridiculous examples from an earlier post. It is an
operating system, an intellectual property that is not sold per se,
but rented or leased to be used in one system. If you don't like the
terms of use of the system, don't use it. Get with Al Gore, who
invented the internet after all, and come up with a system that uses
binary codes of zeros and ones to do something useful, copyright it,
and sell it.


---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.725 / Virus Database: 480 - Release Date: 7/19/2004


Al Gore?! You mean Al Gore as in the ex-vice president?! I don't *THINK*

so!
The internet started life in 1969 as ARPANET (Advanced Research Projects
Agency NETwork) which went live in October of that year (my US history is

a
little hazy, but I believe Richard Nixon was president at the time. Al

Gore
would have been 21 at the time. In '69 he was at Harvard studying

politics).

The WWW, OTOH, was invented by Tim Berners-Lee, a Brit working at CERN

(the
European Particle Physics lab in Geneva) in 1980. He invented HTTP and

HTML
in 1990. For more info, see http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/lee.html.



You forgot to add that Al was also inspiring Erich Segal to write "Love
Story".

....danny


  #59  
Old July 23rd 04, 05:07 PM
Jone Doe
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"DJS0302" wrote in message
...
I find this unconscionable. I contest this based on the fact that I
purchased a copy of the software which is mine. M$ owns the code, and I
may not reverse engineer it, but I should dang well be able to use my
copy of the software as I please in the privacy of my own home for
non-commercial purposes. It's called fair use rights.

--
hermes



I like to compare owning a copy of Windows with owning a book. Both are
intellectual properties. It's illegal for me to make copies of either one

and
sell them. The only difference is I don't have to buy multiple copies of

the
same book for each room in my house.


Doesn't hold up again. If you want to have a separate copy of a book in
each room of your house, how many books must you buy?


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  #60  
Old July 23rd 04, 05:12 PM
RA
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http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm


 




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