Pirated XP

Thanks Alias and I see our parting from this thread as two people who now
understand a little better where the other person is coming from. I
appreciate you giving me the opportunity to share and I appreciate that you
were so willing to share with me. If it is God's will perhaps we shall meet
in the real world someday and I hope that I am not offending you by being
too religious but I would not have been able to survive my ordeal with
cancer without my faith or at the very least I would be a lot worse off than
I am now.

"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Dan" wrote

: Well I have compassion for you Alias and will pray for you. I have had
: cancer twice before and gone through radiation and chemotherapy so I
have
my
: share of suffering as well even though in a physical and mental sense
rather
: than economic. Have a great day and Godspeed!

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: "Dan" wrote
: :
: : snipped for space
: :
: : Don't get me wrong, I don't use anything but software that is
legit
: and
: : that
: : I purchased. This doesn't mean that I don't understand and
empathize
: with
: : those who don't.
: : --
: : Alias
: :
: : I see what you are saying Alias and I fortunately have never been so
: poor
: : that I could not afford Microsoft products.
:
: I have and it wasn't until I got a second hand computer with a pirated
: version of Win 95 and Office 97 on it that I was able to change my
: economic
: situation. I would call that surviving and nowadays is as essential as
: food,
: clothing and shelter. YMMV but being as you've never been poor, you
: obviously don't know what it's like and it ain't pleasant, especially
if
: you, like me, have children to feed, clothe and shelter.
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: However, I still think taking
: : is wrong in this sense and think that the thief should have to repay
: : seven-fold when caught. It is not like we are talking about food,
: clothing,
: : and shelter which are the neccessities of survival. We are talking
: about
: : computers which I still see as a luxury and a really nice tool. The
: same
: is
: : true of cell-phones. They are great but we can live without them.
If
: : someone carefully tracks all their spending and budgets their money
then
: I
: : believe the American Dream that they can prosper and have Life,
Liberty
: and
: : Happiness. I think this can be true in Spain as well. Remember, to
be
: : faithful in much one must be faithful in a little and it is helpful
to
: be
: : faithful in what is anothers. Have a great day and thanks for
sharing
: and
: : helping me understand where you are coming from. I appreciate
hearing
: the
: : other side of debates.
: :
: :
:
:
:
:

Thanks for sharing Leythos and Congratulations on overcoming poverty and may
God continue to guide your actions.

"Leythos" wrote in message
...
: In article ,
: says...
: I have and it wasn't until I got a second hand computer with a pirated
: version of Win 95 and Office 97 on it that I was able to change my
economic
: situation. I would call that surviving and nowadays is as essential as
food,
: clothing and shelter. YMMV but being as you've never been poor, you
: obviously don't know what it's like and it ain't pleasant, especially if
: you, like me, have children to feed, clothe and shelter.
:
: I got news for you, and this is going to sound heartless, but I've been
: poor, was out of work for almost a year in 82, had to live with friends,
: designed programs in about 8 languages back then.
:
: In those days I scrounged computer time from friends and the library,
: used legal installs of software on computers that belonged to my friends
: and others, and when I needed Borlands C compiler I bought it - it was
: an investment in my future and worth the money. Later, when things
: started going well, I bought more, licensed everything, and now I run a
: systems engineering company, built on 100% legit apps and servers. It's
: all about ethics, and being poor does not give you ANY EXCUSE TO STEAL.
: So, suck it up and start being a man (or woman) and look around for
: help, today there are all sorts of programs for the working poor. Hell,
: if you were to go into the regional MS office in your area and give them
: your story I bet they would GIVE you a legit copy of Office 2003 for
: free (since they give them away for free to clients and guests anyway).
:
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That makes sense. Thanks again for sharing your story.

"Leythos" wrote in message
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: In article ,
: says...
: Alias, I actually know of cases with people in the past with people using
a
: pirated copy of XP and not being able to update to Service Pack II
because
: the Windows Update tells them they must contact Microsoft because their
: license does not appear to be genuine.
:
: We had that happen on our MSDN Copies of XP, we went to the Subscribers
: site and if had new keys for us, but it forced us to reinstall, we could
: not reactivate to use the new keys.
:
: I was told my MS that a number of keys had gotten loose and that's why
: they changed them (not just us).
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Vanguard wrote:
"Grenkor Den" wrote in message
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How Microsoft scan for pirated XP ?




They tap into Santa's database of good and bad boys/girls.

And Bypassing My Firewalls

Thanks for the information but I think God played a part in your life but you
are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to my opinion.

"Leythos" wrote in message
...
: In article ,
: says...
: Thanks for sharing Leythos and Congratulations on overcoming poverty and
may
: God continue to guide your actions.
:
: God had nothing to do with it, not that I don't believe in a God, but
: hard work, and learning where to find help/assistance was what it was
: all about. If you need software, try calling MS.
:
: Did you know that for $200 you can become a Microsoft Partner and get
: PRODUCTION Usable copies of SBS 2003, SQL Server, 10 licenses for XP
: Prof, etc....
:
: Did you know that for $402 you can join the ISV program and get 5 MSDN
: Universal Licenses (you have to be developing a product of some type).
:
: If you look on the MS site you can find all of these programs, and even
: get priority support for free!
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Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

What you heard is incorrect.
Thieves will always find a way to steal because that is what thieves do.

In my local they wanted to rob a bank. There was a barbershop in the
same minimall.

They cut a hole in the roof of the barbershop, climbed down, then
chipped a hole to the bank and got all the money from the autotellers.
Sort of like that old Clint Eastwood movie where they blasted the wall

45% of the local schoolworkers union get below poverty wages and have been
working without a contract for 6 months. They appear ready to go on strike.

How about means-testing software prices on a sliding scale? If you make less
than poverty, you get a 75% discount on the software. Just take the County EBT
card up to Staples and get the Microsoft discount. Wal-Mart workers might buy
more computers too, if they could get a means-tested discount on new computer
machines and parts. Seems as soon as they get hired, its off to the county to
get food stamps and such because Wal-Mart won't pay them a living wage. Just
means-test everybody so everything will be priced according to your income
(you'll need an in-store calculator or thingamawidge so you can swipe your
"income verification card" & then swipe the UPC code on the product you're
buying to get an adjusted price figured out before you go up to the cashier and
repeat the process.

A lot of us people on the bottom have severely outdated stuff and can't upgrade.
We have to buy "new" all over again.

Wal mart is smart. US taxpayers pay their wage bill so the can put other =
companies out of business.

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"Cymbal Man Freq." Don't g wrote in =
message ...
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45% of the local schoolworkers union get below poverty wages and have =
been
working without a contract for 6 months. They appear ready to go on =
strike.
=20
How about means-testing software prices on a sliding scale? If you =
make less
than poverty, you get a 75% discount on the software. Just take the =
County EBT
card up to Staples and get the Microsoft discount. Wal-Mart workers =
might buy
more computers too, if they could get a means-tested discount on new =
computer
machines and parts. Seems as soon as they get hired, its off to the =
county to
get food stamps and such because Wal-Mart won't pay them a living =
wage. Just
means-test everybody so everything will be priced according to your =
income
(you'll need an in-store calculator or thingamawidge so you can swipe =
your
"income verification card" & then swipe the UPC code on the product =
you're
buying to get an adjusted price figured out before you go up to the =
cashier and
repeat the process.
=20
A lot of us people on the bottom have severely outdated stuff and =
can't upgrade.
We have to buy "new" all over again.
=20

Mr. Marx would be happy with that. Gee, I thought that the
NEA was the biggest union and considering the money spent on
school systems, the wages paid are well above poverty.

It has been my experience that people who have no money for
computers or food for their children have plenty of beer and
cigarettes.


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"Cymbal Man Freq." Don't g
wrote in message
...
|
| 45% of the local schoolworkers union get below poverty
wages and have been
| working without a contract for 6 months. They appear ready
to go on strike.
|
| How about means-testing software prices on a sliding
scale? If you make less
| than poverty, you get a 75% discount on the software. Just
take the County EBT
| card up to Staples and get the Microsoft discount.
Wal-Mart workers might buy
| more computers too, if they could get a means-tested
discount on new computer
| machines and parts. Seems as soon as they get hired, its
off to the county to
| get food stamps and such because Wal-Mart won't pay them a
living wage. Just
| means-test everybody so everything will be priced
according to your income
| (you'll need an in-store calculator or thingamawidge so
you can swipe your
| "income verification card" & then swipe the UPC code on
the product you're
| buying to get an adjusted price figured out before you go
up to the cashier and
| repeat the process.
|
| A lot of us people on the bottom have severely outdated
stuff and can't upgrade.
| We have to buy "new" all over again.
|
|

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
...
: Mr. Marx would be happy with that. Gee, I thought that the
: NEA was the biggest union and considering the money spent on
: school systems, the wages paid are well above poverty.
:
: It has been my experience that people who have no money for
: computers or food for their children have plenty of beer and
: cigarettes.

I don't drink. I currently have three computers -- all with legit
software -- and two successful businesses. Soooooooo, you were generalising?
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: The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
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:
:
: "Cymbal Man Freq." Don't g
: wrote in message
: ...
: |
: | 45% of the local schoolworkers union get below poverty
: wages and have been
: | working without a contract for 6 months. They appear ready
: to go on strike.
: |
: | How about means-testing software prices on a sliding
: scale? If you make less
: | than poverty, you get a 75% discount on the software. Just
: take the County EBT
: | card up to Staples and get the Microsoft discount.
: Wal-Mart workers might buy
: | more computers too, if they could get a means-tested
: discount on new computer
: | machines and parts. Seems as soon as they get hired, its
: off to the county to
: | get food stamps and such because Wal-Mart won't pay them a
: living wage. Just
: | means-test everybody so everything will be priced
: according to your income
: | (you'll need an in-store calculator or thingamawidge so
: you can swipe your
: | "income verification card" & then swipe the UPC code on
: the product you're
: | buying to get an adjusted price figured out before you go
: up to the cashier and
: | repeat the process.
: |
: | A lot of us people on the bottom have severely outdated
: stuff and can't upgrade.
: | We have to buy "new" all over again.
: |
: |
:
:

Are you? Since you only said you "don't drink" you must
smoke? At $4 a pack a day, you are spending $1400 a year
plus the extra healthcare and laundry/clothes.

This is a newsgroup, everybody makes general statements
since we don't know you personally.


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"Alias" wrote in message
...
|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| ...
| : Mr. Marx would be happy with that. Gee, I thought that
the
| : NEA was the biggest union and considering the money
spent on
| : school systems, the wages paid are well above poverty.
| :
| : It has been my experience that people who have no money
for
| : computers or food for their children have plenty of beer
and
| : cigarettes.
|
| I don't drink. I currently have three computers -- all
with legit
| software -- and two successful businesses. Soooooooo, you
were generalising?
| --
| Alias
|
| Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader
program to email me.
|
| Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.
| :
| :
| : --
| : The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
| : But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
| :
| :
| : "Cymbal Man Freq." Don't
g
| : wrote in message
| : ...
| : |
| : | 45% of the local schoolworkers union get below poverty
| : wages and have been
| : | working without a contract for 6 months. They appear
ready
| : to go on strike.
| : |
| : | How about means-testing software prices on a sliding
| : scale? If you make less
| : | than poverty, you get a 75% discount on the software.
Just
| : take the County EBT
| : | card up to Staples and get the Microsoft discount.
| : Wal-Mart workers might buy
| : | more computers too, if they could get a means-tested
| : discount on new computer
| : | machines and parts. Seems as soon as they get hired,
its
| : off to the county to
| : | get food stamps and such because Wal-Mart won't pay
them a
| : living wage. Just
| : | means-test everybody so everything will be priced
| : according to your income
| : | (you'll need an in-store calculator or thingamawidge
so
| : you can swipe your
| : | "income verification card" & then swipe the UPC code
on
| : the product you're
| : | buying to get an adjusted price figured out before you
go
| : up to the cashier and
| : | repeat the process.
| : |
| : | A lot of us people on the bottom have severely
outdated
| : stuff and can't upgrade.
| : | We have to buy "new" all over again.
| : |
| : |
| :
| :
|
|

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
...
: Are you? Since you only said you "don't drink" you must
: smoke? At $4 a pack a day, you are spending $1400 a year
: plus the extra healthcare and laundry/clothes.
:
: This is a newsgroup, everybody makes general statements
: since we don't know you personally.

You missed my point and I was pretty personal in my post.
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: The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
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:
:
: "Alias" wrote in message
: ...
: |
: | "Jim Macklin" wrote
: in message
: | ...
: | : Mr. Marx would be happy with that. Gee, I thought that
: the
: | : NEA was the biggest union and considering the money
: spent on
: | : school systems, the wages paid are well above poverty.
: | :
: | : It has been my experience that people who have no money
: for
: | : computers or food for their children have plenty of beer
: and
: | : cigarettes.
: |
: | I don't drink. I currently have three computers -- all
: with legit
: | software -- and two successful businesses. Soooooooo, you
: were generalising?
: | --
: | Alias
: |
: | Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader
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: | Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.
: | :
: | :
: | : --
: | : The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
: | : But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
: | :
: | :
: | : "Cymbal Man Freq." Don't
: g
: | : wrote in message
: | : ...
: | : |
: | : | 45% of the local schoolworkers union get below poverty
: | : wages and have been
: | : | working without a contract for 6 months. They appear
: ready
: | : to go on strike.
: | : |
: | : | How about means-testing software prices on a sliding
: | : scale? If you make less
: | : | than poverty, you get a 75% discount on the software.
: Just
: | : take the County EBT
: | : | card up to Staples and get the Microsoft discount.
: | : Wal-Mart workers might buy
: | : | more computers too, if they could get a means-tested
: | : discount on new computer
: | : | machines and parts. Seems as soon as they get hired,
: its
: | : off to the county to
: | : | get food stamps and such because Wal-Mart won't pay
: them a
: | : living wage. Just
: | : | means-test everybody so everything will be priced
: | : according to your income
: | : | (you'll need an in-store calculator or thingamawidge
: so
: | : you can swipe your
: | : | "income verification card" & then swipe the UPC code
: on
: | : the product you're
: | : | buying to get an adjusted price figured out before you
: go
: | : up to the cashier and
: | : | repeat the process.
: | : |
: | : | A lot of us people on the bottom have severely
: outdated
: | : stuff and can't upgrade.
: | : | We have to buy "new" all over again.
: | : |
: | : |
: | :
: | :
: |
: |
:
:

I didn't miss the point, I think you don't understand the
system. The people who are too stupid to get a good high
paying job are too stupid to handle the discount card
options you propose. Most people who work at or near
minimum wage are in those jobs by choice. Students who
don't want a job that requires a 24/7 commitment, retired
folks who don't want more than to supplement their
retirement income and just plain stupid people who can't
work at a skilled job.

As others have said, there are many steep discounts on
software and hardware at schools.

Mr. Marx and you seem to want a legal requirement for such
discounts being enforced by government.

Mr. Marx is dead and so are his ideas.


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"Alias" wrote in message
...
|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| ...
| : Are you? Since you only said you "don't drink" you must
| : smoke? At $4 a pack a day, you are spending $1400 a
year
| : plus the extra healthcare and laundry/clothes.
| :
| : This is a newsgroup, everybody makes general statements
| : since we don't know you personally.
|
| You missed my point and I was pretty personal in my post.
| --
| Alias
|
| Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader
program to email me.
|
| Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.
| :
| :
| : --
| : The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
| : But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
| :
| :
| : "Alias" wrote in message
| : ...
| : |
| : | "Jim Macklin"
wrote
| : in message
| : | ...
| : | : Mr. Marx would be happy with that. Gee, I thought
that
| : the
| : | : NEA was the biggest union and considering the money
| : spent on
| : | : school systems, the wages paid are well above
poverty.
| : | :
| : | : It has been my experience that people who have no
money
| : for
| : | : computers or food for their children have plenty of
beer
| : and
| : | : cigarettes.
| : |
| : | I don't drink. I currently have three computers -- all
| : with legit
| : | software -- and two successful businesses. Soooooooo,
you
| : were generalising?
| : | --
| : | Alias
| : |
| : | Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader
| : program to email me.
| : |
| : | Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.
| : | :
| : | :
| : | : --
| : | : The people think the Constitution protects their
rights;
| : | : But government sees it as an obstacle to be
overcome.
| : | :
| : | :
| : | : "Cymbal Man Freq." Don't
| : g
| : | : wrote in message
| : | : ...
| : | : |
| : | : | 45% of the local schoolworkers union get below
poverty
| : | : wages and have been
| : | : | working without a contract for 6 months. They
appear
| : ready
| : | : to go on strike.
| : | : |
| : | : | How about means-testing software prices on a
sliding
| : | : scale? If you make less
| : | : | than poverty, you get a 75% discount on the
software.
| : Just
| : | : take the County EBT
| : | : | card up to Staples and get the Microsoft discount.
| : | : Wal-Mart workers might buy
| : | : | more computers too, if they could get a
means-tested
| : | : discount on new computer
| : | : | machines and parts. Seems as soon as they get
hired,
| : its
| : | : off to the county to
| : | : | get food stamps and such because Wal-Mart won't
pay
| : them a
| : | : living wage. Just
| : | : | means-test everybody so everything will be priced
| : | : according to your income
| : | : | (you'll need an in-store calculator or
thingamawidge
| : so
| : | : you can swipe your
| : | : | "income verification card" & then swipe the UPC
code
| : on
| : | : the product you're
| : | : | buying to get an adjusted price figured out before
you
| : go
| : | : up to the cashier and
| : | : | repeat the process.
| : | : |
| : | : | A lot of us people on the bottom have severely
| : outdated
| : | : stuff and can't upgrade.
| : | : | We have to buy "new" all over again.
| : | : |
| : | : |
| : | :
| : | :
| : |
| : |
| :
| :
|
|

"Leythos" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

None of those options were available in Spain then except maybe Linux and
I
wasn't savvy tech wise enough to handle that. Libraries in Spain did not
have Internet access nor were there any cyber cafés. My only choice was a
pirated OS and Office. I had a typewriter but for some reason I couldn't
use
it to get online.

And how did Office 97 help you get online?

Did I say it did?

Are you suggesting that being as poor as you claim, that you could not
have done business without being online?

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Where there is a Will, there is a Way. (Nothing against you Alias and
remember do not carry this burden alone)

"Alias" wrote in message
...
:
: "Leythos" wrote in message
: ...
: In article ,
: says...
:
: None of those options were available in Spain then except maybe Linux and
: I
: wasn't savvy tech wise enough to handle that. Libraries in Spain did not
: have Internet access nor were there any cyber cafés. My only choice was a
: pirated OS and Office. I had a typewriter but for some reason I couldn't
: use
: it to get online.
:
: And how did Office 97 help you get online?
:
: Did I say it did?
:
: Are you suggesting that being as poor as you claim, that you could not
: have done business without being online?
:
: --
: --
:
: (Remove 999 to reply to me)
:
: Exactly.
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:
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