Windows XP Issue (Activation) II

Leythos wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:13:46 -0500, daygo140 wrote:

Finally, someone trying to actually help rather than get brownie
points from MS and prove there unproven point. Thanks for your help
Bill but I tried that. When I placed the call to MS to activate it,
we tried not entering an activation code then proceeded to the next
step and inputted the Product Key from the tower. It came up
invalid! MS support suggested I call eMachines. EMachines basically
said there was nothing I can do/didn't have a solution.

You did get a response that would get you out of this pickle (twice) -
restore the e-machines BIOS that you flashed over. You DID make a
backup in case you needed to go back to it - right?

You are a total moron. Your answer is to render the PC unusable again.

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Michael Stevens wrote:
In ,
daygo140 Acted: like an Ostrich and stuck his
head in the sand
OK, your mothers computer needed help, you decided it had to have
the bios
flashed with a non-eMachines supported bios update that rendered the
computer dead in the water.

The BIOS flash fixed the problem. I didn't come here to have you
question my PC knowledge, refer to the original post. I asked a few
questions to be answered. I didn't come here to be questioned about
anything or critized. I wanted ANSWERS to the questions.

LOL What did the bios flash fix? You have not told us why it had to
have the bios flash. Face it.! It did break the eMachines restore
media's ability to restore your mom's computer to a working computer.
Yes you did ask a few questions that you wanted answered. You DIDN'T
like the answers to the questions. How do you expect questions to be
answered? Truthfully, or to bolster your concept of the answer?
I am not questioning your knowledge, I am answering your questions.

"1.) Will my or my Mom's PC render useless? (MS finding out and
disabling it
via Windows Update or some other technique?)"

"2.) Will I go to jail or get a fine?"

"3.) My best friend bought a Dell and ran over his restoration disk with
the
wheel of his chair, schmuck . Almost same scenario, he has the
right/license
to run it but can't. Can I install my copy onto his PC without getting
my PC
or my Mom's deactivated or rendered useless?"

"4.) Will I go to jail or get a fine if I also install it on my best
friend's
PC?"

I haven't seen you answer these questions from his original post Mikey.
All I've seen you do is play little games to avoid directly answering
these questions. The OP isn't asking any questions about the BIOS he
reflashed, so stop trying to use it to divert from answering the OP's
questions, or aren't you man enough to answer them directly, and
honestly?

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STFU already. I'm going to say it for the last time (i think i said it over
20x but who's counting) the product key DOES NOT WORK, it came up invalid
when MS tried to activate it in turn they lead me to eMachines support to
fix the Product Key issue and they couldn't help/didn't know what to do and
MS nor eMachines for that matter never said I violated anything by flashing
the BIOS since I flashed it with the MOBO manufacturer's one that was the
correct one, YES I DID TELL THEM.

Bottom line is if anyone EVER need to flash a BIOS on an eMachines FOR
WHATEVER THE REASON, you need to go buy another copy of Windows XP. YOU
SUPPORT THIS!! You schmuck, I'd never choose you to fight for consumer
rights.

The reason why I flashed is none of your business, TRUST ME, it's legit, I
know what I'm doing. You have no CLUE what happened to this computer. I
don't have enough time to explain it, it's too long and complicated what
happened to this PC and furthermore I'd rather not have as*holes like you
pick why i did it apart, if you could even legitimately do so.

BTW don't ever by an eMachines, because of problems like this, their tech
support, and their monitors (Eview 17F) blow like a porn star. I know of 3
of these monitors manufactored in 2003 that fried. One of these monitors of
which blew when a friend had purchased it from BB and brought it home. BB
was awesome and immediately replaced it but that's beside the point, now a
little more than a year later the immediate replacement fried.

Leythos wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:12:50 -0500, kurttrail wrote:

Leythos wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:13:46 -0500, daygo140 wrote:

Finally, someone trying to actually help rather than get brownie
points from MS and prove there unproven point. Thanks for your
help Bill but I tried that. When I placed the call to MS to
activate it, we tried not entering an activation code then
proceeded to the next step and inputted the Product Key from the
tower. It came up invalid! MS support suggested I call
eMachines. EMachines basically said there was nothing I can
do/didn't have a solution.

You did get a response that would get you out of this pickle
(twice) - restore the e-machines BIOS that you flashed over. You
DID make a backup in case you needed to go back to it - right?

You are a total moron. Your answer is to render the PC unusable
again.

Lets see - the PC worked when she got it, and you're saying that
flashing the BIOS back will render it unusable again? You're not
making sense, you're actually contradicting yourself.

MORON! I am not the same person as Daygo140. But he didn't contradict
himself. He said the computer didn't stopped working and needed to
flash to a new BIOS to get it working again. Emachines wouldn't supply
the BIOS fix, but the MOBO manufacturer does.

AND telling the OP to go back DOES NOT ANSWER HIS ORIGINAL QUESTIONS.


What version of E-Machine?
What did (specifically) the BIOS flash provide?

As with many versions of XP, using the OEM CD and the product key on
the case (our e-machines PC's have them) worked many times.

So, what did the non-E-Machine BIOS fix?

What does any of that have to do with answering Daygo140's questions?

"1.) Will my or my Mom's PC render useless? (MS finding out and
disabling it
via Windows Update or some other technique?)"

"2.) Will I go to jail or get a fine?"

"3.) My best friend bought a Dell and ran over his restoration disk with
the
wheel of his chair, schmuck . Almost same scenario, he has the
right/license
to run it but can't. Can I install my copy onto his PC without getting
my PC
or my Mom's deactivated or rendered useless?"

"4.) Will I go to jail or get a fine if I also install it on my best
friend's
PC?"

These are his questions. Answer them directly, and stop getting hung up
on the BIOS!

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daygo140 wrote:

Face it.! It did break the eMachines restore media's ability to

restore your mom's computer to a working computer.

I did a long time ago. FOCUS and read the original post you'll see were I
"faced it".


In THIS thread, your original post contained the following detail-less
information:

Well, my Mom had a problem with her eMachines which needed it's BIOS to be
flashed, I did so.

If you reference a different thread then that is useless, nobody is
going to take the time and effort to search through the thousands of
messages in this newsgroup because you're too lazy or uninformed to keep
it the original thread, and/or post the deatails requested in THIS thread.

Steve




I am not questioning your knowledge, I am answering your questions.


All I got was questions about everything leading up to my questions. If I
had missed it sorry. Now I can sleep better at night, YOUR AWESOME!!

Apparently, _daygo140_, on 29/01/05 19:33,typed:

Well, my Mom had a problem with her eMachines which needed it's BIOS to be
flashed, I did so. The Windows XP that comes installed in an eMachine and is


This thread has really made me curious; what was the exact problem that
you were facing. IIRC, I have had to reflash my ASUS mobo only once
because suddenly my computer stopped booting from any drive. Had no clue
what was going on and just got a newer flash from ASUS's website and
reflashed and it worked. What happenend in your case?

Sam.
PS: I know I haven't answered in your aid, but I have no clue about
e-machines and their EULA.



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Leythos wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:34:33 -0500, kurttrail wrote:

"1.) Will my or my Mom's PC render useless? (MS finding out and
disabling it
via Windows Update or some other technique?)"

If you used the same product Key on both machines, at some point, one
or both may be disabled - you just never know.

How? I have never heard of MS disabling a computer AFTER it has been
activation. Please document your answer.

It could also be that
one or both will not be able to gain access to updates.

LOL! Mandatory Validation hasn't started yet, and MS has already stated
that they won't validate computers with Automatic Updates turned on.


"2.) Will I go to jail or get a fine?"

Unknown.

Not for jail time. Violating the EULA is not a criminal offense, so
there is absolutely no chance of jail time. And being fined would
require MS to sue the OP, and MS has NEVER sued anyone for casual
copying for non-commercial use.

Since you paid for XP on both machines, it's a semantics
game, sort of. You are technically in violation of the licensing
agreement, but you are not using more than you paid for.

"3.) My best friend bought a Dell and ran over his restoration disk
with the wheel of his chair, schmuck . Almost same scenario, he has
the right/license to run it but can't. Can I install my copy onto
his PC without getting my PC or my Mom's deactivated or rendered
useless?"

Your friend can get a replacement CD from Dell. Your installation on
his computer presents the same issue that your install on your mom's
computer did. If you use HIS activation key then there is nothing to
worry about, but, if you use your key then you have two installs of
the same key - see #1 above.

The direct answer is, nothing will happen to the OP's or his mother's
computers by installing and activating XP on his friend's computer.


"4.) Will I go to jail or get a fine if I also install it on my best
friend's PC?"

See answer to #2, he's running one install and he paid for one install
through a valid vendor - so, technically he's not running something
unpaid for, it's just the wrong version of what he paid for - as long
as you don't install your key you have little to worry about. If he
calls Dell they will send replacement media, but not a new key.

I haven't seen you answer these questions from his original post
Mikey. All I've seen you do is play little games to avoid directly
answering these questions. The OP isn't asking any questions about
the BIOS he reflashed, so stop trying to use it to divert from
answering the OP's questions, or aren't you man enough to answer
them directly, and honestly?

The OP was asking about something that he's been told is wrong

No, he was asking if there are any consequences for installing his copy
of XP on family and friends computers.

and has
been told many times why it's wrong

And he knows that technically it is, but he has already done it, and
want to know the consequences of actions he has already done.

and what the consequences are of
changing an OEM system and why.

And you answered with FUD, not reality. Once activated, MS does not
disable OS installs on purpose.

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moron1 wrote:

Face it.! It did break the eMachines restore media's ability to restore
your mom's computer to a working computer.

I wrote:

I did a long time ago. FOCUS and read the original post you'll see were I
"faced it".

______________________________________________


Steve N's punk as* wrote the following regarding to the comments above from
another post (yes another hopeless ding-a-ling picking crap apart):

In THIS thread, your original post contained the following detail-less
information:

Well, my Mom had a problem with her eMachines which needed it's BIOS to
be flashed, I did so.

______________________________________________

I JUST WROTE: You STFU too! Here will this make your pansy as* feel
better:
______________________________________________

For you lazy people and people who can't comprehend and retain it when they
read it for the first time:

ORIGINAL THREAD

Well, my Mom had a problem with her eMachines which needed it's BIOS
to be flashed, I did so. The Windows XP that comes installed in an
eMachine and is contained in the system restore disks uses "System
Locked Pre-installation" (SLP) which at boot, Windows XP compares the
PC's BIOS to the SLP information. If it matches, no activation is
required.

Well since I have flashed her BIOS the information does not add up and
eMachines can't do anything for my Mom.

_______________________________________________

again so I don't get chastised:

I'm going to say it for the last time (i think i said it over
20x but who's counting) the product key DOES NOT WORK, it came up invalid
when MS tried to activate it in turn they lead me to eMachines support to
fix the Product Key issue and they couldn't help/didn't know what to do and
MS nor eMachines for that matter never said I violated anything by flashing
the BIOS since I flashed it with the MOBO manufacturer's one that was the
correct one, YES I DID TELL THEM.




"Steve N." wrote in message
nk.net...
daygo140 wrote:



In THIS thread, your original post contained the following detail-less
information:

Well, my Mom had a problem with her eMachines which needed it's BIOS to
be flashed, I did so.

If you reference a different thread then that is useless, nobody is going
to take the time and effort to search through the thousands of messages in
this newsgroup because you're too lazy or uninformed to keep it the
original thread, and/or post the deatails requested in THIS thread.

Steve




I am not questioning your knowledge, I am answering your questions.


All I got was questions about everything leading up to my questions. If
I had missed it sorry. Now I can sleep better at night, YOUR AWESOME!!

Leythos wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:45:34 -0500, daygo140 wrote:

STFU already. I'm going to say it for the last time (i think i said
it over 20x but who's counting) the product key DOES NOT WORK, it
came up invalid when MS tried to activate it in turn they lead me to
eMachines support to

And they key was tied to a BRANDED BIOS THAT YOU CHANGED ON YOUR OWN,
without questioning what else might have been impacted.

fix the Product Key issue and they couldn't help/didn't know what to
do
and MS nor eMachines for that matter never said I violated anything
by flashing the BIOS since I flashed it with the MOBO manufacturer's
one
that was the correct one, YES I DID TELL THEM.

And nothing you did was illegal, invalidating your license is not an
illegal action. BIOS updates from the systems vendor don't cause the
problem you specified with Activation, only unbranded BIOS updates
cause the problem.

Bottom line is if anyone EVER need to flash a BIOS on an eMachines
FOR WHATEVER THE REASON, you need to go buy another copy of Windows
XP. YOU SUPPORT THIS!! You schmuck, I'd never choose you to fight
for consumer rights.

Actually, you did a run-around update and didn't get an approved
update, and now you've seen the consequences of that action.

The reason why I flashed is none of your business, TRUST ME, it's
legit, I know what I'm doing. You have no CLUE what happened to
this computer. I don't have enough time to explain it, it's too
long and complicated what happened to this PC and furthermore I'd
rather not have as*holes like you pick why i did it apart, if you
could even legitimately do so.

No one suggested that your reason for flashing was anything less than
legit - no one said anything questioning your ethics for it, people
were only asking what problem caused the need for it.

As for the last part, it's a$$holes like the support people in this
group that might have been able to fix the issue or help without
running into all the crap you have - but your attitude really sux and
Usenet is one of those places where you reap what you sow.

What crap did he run into? He fixed his mother's problems on his own.
The only crap he has run into is morons like you, who are such
MicroBots, that they get hung up on Bullsh*t and FUD when it comes to
answering legitimate questions regarding Product Activation.

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"daygo140" wrote in message
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| | 1.) Will my or my Mom's PC render useless? (MS finding out and
disabling
| it
| | via Windows Update or some other technique?)
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| Not if you installed and activated XP 120 days after you did yours,
which
| you obviously did or it wouldn't activate.
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| | 2.) Will I go to jail or get a fine?
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| Not a chance.
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| | 3.) My best friend bought a Dell and ran over his restoration disk
with
| the
| | wheel of his chair, schmuck . Almost same scenario, he has the
| right/license
| | to run it but can't. Can I install my copy onto his PC without getting
| my
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| 120 days ...
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daygo140 wrote:


First of all, your mother had a license to use the eMachines-provided
OEM WinXP license and *no* other. She got what she paid for, as
unfeeling as that may sound.



My questions that need to be answered so I can get sleep at night:

1.) Will my or my Mom's PC render useless? (MS finding out and disabling it
via Windows Update or some other technique?)



Not at this time, but Microsoft would be well within its legal
prerogatives to institute such a measure, if they so desired, at some
time in the future. Personally, I doubt this will happen. It would be
a PR nightmare, as well as technically difficult to implement without
adversely affecting legitimate Windows users.


2.) Will I go to jail or get a fine?



Jail? No. Copyright infringement, as long as there are less than 10
copies involved, and reneging on a contract (the EULA is a legally
binding contract in most jurisdictions) are violations of civil code,
not penal code. A fine? It's possible, but pretty unlikely. Large
corporations often hesitate to prosecute their legal rights against
individuals, because of the potential public relations backlash.
However, with the RIAA now successfully suing individuals for illegally
downloading music, it could be that the BSA (Business Software
Alliance), of which Microsoft is a member, could decide to follow suit.
Currently, fines paid by companies that do this can range up to
$150,000.00 per copy.


3.) My best friend bought a Dell and ran over his restoration disk with the
wheel of his chair, schmuck . Almost same scenario, he has the right/license
to run it but can't. Can I install my copy onto his PC without getting my PC
or my Mom's deactivated or rendered useless?


No, you can't. It's illegal, regardless of the technical issues. Your
friend has a license to use only the Dell OEM version provided with his
computer, and no other. Why doesn't you friend just call Dell to get a
replacement CD?


4.) Will I go to jail or get a fine if I also install it on my best friend's
PC?


Same as #2 above.


For a more valid assessment of your legal situation, consult an
attorney well-versed in copyright and contract law for your specific locale.


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daygo140 wrote:


The BIOS flash fixed the problem.



How can you possibly call rendering the computer unusable -which is
what you really did -- "fixing the problem?"

I didn't come here to have you question
my PC knowledge, refer to the original post.


Of which you obviously have very little, or you'd not be in this
situation, in the first place.






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daygo140 wrote:


I just wanted what my Mom
paid for.



You already had that - an OEM license that *you* deliberately rendered
invalid.


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Actually, you did a run-around update and didn't get an approved update,
and now you've seen the consequences of that action.

If I waited for an approved update, I might as well go buy a new computer
let alone ANOTHER copy of XP.

people were only asking what problem caused the need for it. (BIOS
flash)

You can't let it go, can you?

____________________________
No one suggested that your reason for flashing was anything less than
legit - no one said anything questioning your ethics for it, people were
only asking what problem caused the need for it.


YOU SAID YOURSELF:

OK, your mothers computer needed help, you decided it had to have the
bios flashed with a non-eMachines supported bios update that rendered the
computer dead in the water.

I THEN SAID:

The BIOS flash fixed the problem. I didn't come here to have you question
my PC knowledge, refer to the original post. I asked a few questions to
be
answered. I didn't come here to be questioned about anything or critized. I
wanted ANSWERS to the questions.

JUST LET IT GO!! Damn!

but your attitude really sux...

I wonder why I have an attitude "Computer RANGERS" like yourself
questioning irrelevant information and knit picking this thread apart. ARE
YOU TRYING TO PROVE SOMETHING? I just wanted answers to my questions, I GOT
THEM, now STFU!!

THANKS TO ALL who DIDN'T try to analize everything and actually helped me by
answering my questions.



"Leythos" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:45:34 -0500, daygo140 wrote:

STFU already. I'm going to say it for the last time (i think i said it
over
20x but who's counting) the product key DOES NOT WORK, it came up invalid
when MS tried to activate it in turn they lead me to eMachines support to

And they key was tied to a BRANDED BIOS THAT YOU CHANGED ON YOUR OWN,
without questioning what else might have been impacted.

fix the Product Key issue and they couldn't help/didn't know what to do
and MS nor eMachines for that matter never said I violated anything by
flashing the BIOS since I flashed it with the MOBO manufacturer's one
that was the correct one, YES I DID TELL THEM.

And nothing you did was illegal, invalidating your license is not an
illegal action. BIOS updates from the systems vendor don't cause the
problem you specified with Activation, only unbranded BIOS updates cause
the problem.

Bottom line is if anyone EVER need to flash a BIOS on an eMachines FOR
WHATEVER THE REASON, you need to go buy another copy of Windows XP. YOU
SUPPORT THIS!! You schmuck, I'd never choose you to fight for consumer
rights.

Actually, you did a run-around update and didn't get an approved update,
and now you've seen the consequences of that action.

The reason why I flashed is none of your business, TRUST ME, it's legit,
I
know what I'm doing. You have no CLUE what happened to this computer. I
don't have enough time to explain it, it's too long and complicated what
happened to this PC and furthermore I'd rather not have as*holes like you
pick why i did it apart, if you could even legitimately do so.

No one suggested that your reason for flashing was anything less than
legit - no one said anything questioning your ethics for it, people
were only asking what problem caused the need for it.

As for the last part, it's a$$holes like the support people in this group
that might have been able to fix the issue or help without running into
all the crap you have - but your attitude really sux and Usenet is one of
those places where you reap what you sow.

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daygo140 wrote:


Ok so you suppose my Mom should have to pay for ANOTHER copy of Windows XP?
That's BS!!!!



No, your mother shouldn't have to buy a new license; she's not the one
who deliberately rendered her OEM restoration CD useless. This
situation is entirely *your* fault, so *you* should be the one to
reimburse your mother, by buying her a new license. Oh, and then it
might be a good idea for you to offer her a sincere apology and a
promise to never, ever "fix" her computer again.



I also think eMachines, HP, IBM, Sony, etc. should be blamed also with these
stupid as* "restoration disks". Save money, save money, save money, like you
don't have enough? "Restoration disks" suck as* bad, no setup console, no
repair installation, etc.


As long as people keep buying computers from such companies, and
thereby rewarding their business practices, these companies will
continue to offer sub-standard support options. You get what you pay for.


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