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XP OEM - Interesting conversation with MS employee
Last night I upgraded a customers machine with new motherboard, cpu, memory,
video card, netcard and soundcard. The only thing that was the same was the HDD, dvd drive, tape backup and scsi card. I was having trouble with the internet so I phoned MS to activate XP again. After it activated I asked him what the limit is to hardware change before XP won't activate. He said that XP oem has to always remain on the same PC to be activated. In return I asked "what constitutes the same PC?". He kept going around in circles and not answering my question and just stating that it has to always remain on the same PC. He never gave me a definition of what "same PC" means. In the end I asked if it was more of a policy than a technical limitation and he said "thank you for calling microsoft to activate your software" and hung up! I suspect that means that it can be installed on a completely new machine and will activate ok. Is that true? |
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"Michael C" wrote Last night I upgraded a customers machine with new motherboard, cpu, memory, video card, netcard and soundcard. The only thing that was the same was the HDD, dvd drive, tape backup and scsi card. I was having trouble with the internet so I phoned MS to activate XP again. After it activated I asked him what the limit is to hardware change before XP won't activate. He said that XP oem has to always remain on the same PC to be activated. In return I asked "what constitutes the same PC?". He kept going around in circles and not answering my question and just stating that it has to always remain on the same PC. He never gave me a definition of what "same PC" means. In the end I asked if it was more of a policy than a technical limitation and he said "thank you for calling microsoft to activate your software" and hung up! I suspect that means that it can be installed on a completely new machine and will activate ok. Is that true? Good guess. See http://www.microscum.com/mmpafaq/ for more details. Alias |
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I suspect that means that it can be installed on a completely new machine
and will activate ok. Is that true? from what Mike Brannigan , an MS employee and frequent poster , has been saying of late is that it's up to the oem to determine when the original machine is no longer the original machine . definately a major retreat from earlier interpretations of the ms oem eula . MS seems to be intentionally vague . hey , i build my own computers . purchase oem vers of the operating system in complete compliance therefor i am the one to determine when it is no longer the original computer as far as i'm concerned . |
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Q. "I suspect that means that it can be installed on a completely new machine
and will activate ok. Is that true?" A. Not if its an OEM version....only a "Retail Version". -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User Microsoft Newsgroups Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.mspx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Michael C" wrote: | Last night I upgraded a customers machine with new motherboard, cpu, memory, | video card, netcard and soundcard. The only thing that was the same was the | HDD, dvd drive, tape backup and scsi card. I was having trouble with the | internet so I phoned MS to activate XP again. After it activated I asked him | what the limit is to hardware change before XP won't activate. He said that | XP oem has to always remain on the same PC to be activated. In return I | asked "what constitutes the same PC?". He kept going around in circles and | not answering my question and just stating that it has to always remain on | the same PC. He never gave me a definition of what "same PC" means. In the | end I asked if it was more of a policy than a technical limitation and he | said "thank you for calling microsoft to activate your software" and hung | up! | | I suspect that means that it can be installed on a completely new machine | and will activate ok. Is that true? --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0519-0, 05/09/2005 Tested on: 5/10/2005 6:36:44 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
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Did he tell you that?
-- Regards, Richard Urban aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew! "Michael C" wrote in message ... Last night I upgraded a customers machine with new motherboard, cpu, memory, video card, netcard and soundcard. The only thing that was the same was the HDD, dvd drive, tape backup and scsi card. I was having trouble with the internet so I phoned MS to activate XP again. After it activated I asked him what the limit is to hardware change before XP won't activate. He said that XP oem has to always remain on the same PC to be activated. In return I asked "what constitutes the same PC?". He kept going around in circles and not answering my question and just stating that it has to always remain on the same PC. He never gave me a definition of what "same PC" means. In the end I asked if it was more of a policy than a technical limitation and he said "thank you for calling microsoft to activate your software" and hung up! I suspect that means that it can be installed on a completely new machine and will activate ok. Is that true? |
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"Leythos" wrote in message
... You've asked/speculated two different things: 1) What are the rules 2) What can you get away with One has little to do with the other, the other has a lot to do with the one, you can read it as you want That's exactly what I asked him. I asked "if it was more of a policy than a technical limitation". I don't want to pirate XP but if a customer has bought XP I'd like to know what I can do to their machine before a new copy is required. If XP hadn't worked after their machine was upgraded it would have been a problem and it would have been good for me to know before hand. I probably should have found out earlier but there are so many things I should have found out earlier and MS don't make it easy sometimes. Anyway, it looks like I can do whatever I want to the machine and it will still work, which is a good thing. :-) Michael |
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In article ,
says... "Leythos" wrote in message ... You've asked/speculated two different things: 1) What are the rules 2) What can you get away with One has little to do with the other, the other has a lot to do with the one, you can read it as you want That's exactly what I asked him. I asked "if it was more of a policy than a technical limitation". I don't want to pirate XP but if a customer has bought XP I'd like to know what I can do to their machine before a new copy is required. If XP hadn't worked after their machine was upgraded it would have been a problem and it would have been good for me to know before hand. I probably should have found out earlier but there are so many things I should have found out earlier and MS don't make it easy sometimes. Anyway, it looks like I can do whatever I want to the machine and it will still work, which is a good thing. :-) Actually, you can call MS and ask for Licensing information, not the activation drones, MS proper and ask for a email/document explaining licensing. Now, after I've said this, you are also going to get people telling you that you can do what you want as MS has never taken any personal user/installer to court over multiple installs against a single key/license. In the grand scheme of software licensing, it's up to you to determine what is right/wrong and what you feel you can get away with. Some of us are hard-line and purchase a OEM copy considering that additional MS documents call the Motherboard the defining component, while others look at the EULA and say that the power cord could be the single defining component. It's all in what you are comfortable with until you ASK MS legal what they mean. -- -- remove 999 in order to email me |
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1) What are the rules
2) What can you get away with One has little to do with the other, the other has a lot to do with the one, you can read it as you want they both have a lot to do with each other !!!! how can anyone know wtf is going on if even MS won't just spell it out one way or the other . and why should we even be put in this position in the first place ? people keep asking the question "1) What are the rules ? " yet there never seems to be a definative answer . yes we get sorta answers but they even seem to change from day to day . the latest from mike brannigan is that it's the oem that determines when the original computer is no longer the original computer . so who built the computer , who bought the oem os and who installed the os on that computer determines the rules as far as i read it . |
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He said it by implication - He hung up!
Richard Urban wrote: Did he tell you that? "Michael C" wrote in message ... Last night I upgraded a customers machine with new motherboard, cpu, memory, video card, netcard and soundcard. The only thing that was the same was the HDD, dvd drive, tape backup and scsi card. I was having trouble with the internet so I phoned MS to activate XP again. After it activated I asked him what the limit is to hardware change before XP won't activate. He said that XP oem has to always remain on the same PC to be activated. In return I asked "what constitutes the same PC?". He kept going around in circles and not answering my question and just stating that it has to always remain on the same PC. He never gave me a definition of what "same PC" means. In the end I asked if it was more of a policy than a technical limitation and he said "thank you for calling microsoft to activate your software" and hung up! I suspect that means that it can be installed on a completely new machine and will activate ok. Is that true? |
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Wonder if you mean that activation will be denied under these circumstances?
How do you know this? "Can vs May," or, "one thing I remember from the first grade." Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: Q. "I suspect that means that it can be installed on a completely new machine and will activate ok. Is that true?" A. Not if its an OEM version....only a "Retail Version". Last night I upgraded a customers machine with new motherboard, cpu, memory, video card, netcard and soundcard. The only thing that was the same was the HDD, dvd drive, tape backup and scsi card. I was having trouble with the internet so I phoned MS to activate XP again. After it activated I asked him what the limit is to hardware change before XP won't activate. He said that XP oem has to always remain on the same PC to be activated. In return I asked "what constitutes the same PC?". He kept going around in circles and not answering my question and just stating that it has to always remain on the same PC. He never gave me a definition of what "same PC" means. In the end I asked if it was more of a policy than a technical limitation and he said "thank you for calling microsoft to activate your software" and hung up! I suspect that means that it can be installed on a completely new machine and will activate ok. Is that true? --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0519-0, 05/09/2005 Tested on: 5/10/2005 6:36:44 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
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In article ,
says... the latest from mike brannigan is that it's the oem that determines when the original computer is no longer the original computer . so who built the computer , who bought the oem os and who installed the os on that computer determines the rules as far as i read it . Not that I want to get into this again, but if you go into the OEM site at MS, read around the documents, it seemed very clear to me that the OEM software is tied to the first computer it's installed on, and that the computer, by MS's documents on the OEM site, indicate that the Motherboard is the "computer". When I, as a personal choice, choose OEM, I limit the scope of the license to the motherboard. -- -- remove 999 in order to email me |
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According to what a MS representative told Kerry Brown recently, the
restriction of OEM XP to the first machine it is installed on is for the purpose of limiting an OEM's responsibility for support to the machine that the OEM built. The idea was not to create an ephemeral version of Windows. The idea was not to make more money, even though the results may have deviated from the concept in some cases. If an individual is their own OEM, it kind of begs the question of support, doesn't it? I am one of those who believe that honoring the spirit of a rule is more sensible than blindly honoring the word of a rule. I have been known to cut the label from a pillow! Leythos wrote: In article , says... the latest from mike brannigan is that it's the oem that determines when the original computer is no longer the original computer . so who built the computer , who bought the oem os and who installed the os on that computer determines the rules as far as i read it . Not that I want to get into this again, but if you go into the OEM site at MS, read around the documents, it seemed very clear to me that the OEM software is tied to the first computer it's installed on, and that the computer, by MS's documents on the OEM site, indicate that the Motherboard is the "computer". When I, as a personal choice, choose OEM, I limit the scope of the license to the motherboard. -- |
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In article ,
says... "Leythos" wrote says... the latest from mike brannigan is that it's the oem that determines when the original computer is no longer the original computer . so who built the computer , who bought the oem os and who installed the os on that computer determines the rules as far as i read it . Not that I want to get into this again, but if you go into the OEM site at MS, read around the documents, it seemed very clear to me that the OEM software is tied to the first computer it's installed on, and that the computer, by MS's documents on the OEM site, indicate that the Motherboard is the "computer". When I, as a personal choice, choose OEM, I limit the scope of the license to the motherboard. You are saying one cannot upgrade a computer if you have an OEM licence and that by upgrading it, you lose the licence to use the software you bought for this upgraded computer. Scam, no matter how you slice it. Example. Last year I got a MoBo with an AGP 4x slot and it can only handle 266 RAM. I want an 8x slot and a motherboard that can handle 400 RAM and a faster 400 processor to go with it. With your theory, I would have to buy another copy of an OEM Windows XP to upgrade the same computer the first OEM was installed on and I say that is a scam if true, it is designed to make people buy software they already have and paid for. Now, I will buy the motherboard and new RAM and if I have to call MS, I will only give them the number, as is outlined in their FAQs and not feel like a thief or weasal but as a person who merely upgraded his computer and didn't want to be forced to buy something I already have again! Please explain how all of this relates to piracy, be it for profit or "casual". I am all ears. Alias Alias, I'm not getting into a word game. I've said how I read the details on the OEM site, the documents the provided on their site, and how I choose to interpret what they said in those documents. I also said that it's up to each person to interpret what MS means until the actually call MS and ask for clarification - which I don't expect many to admit to doing. -- -- remove 999 in order to email me |
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