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Old May 25th 05, 05:29 PM
kony
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 02:19:11 GMT, Leythos
wrote:

In article ,
says...
You still don't get it. The buyer is only ignorant because
of MS' neglecting to disclose terms. MS has hidden the
terms and should be forthcoming. You try to shift blame
when I already stated an obvious solution- a packaging that
discloses the terms.


MS Didn't hide anything, you can get all the information even before you
purchase the OS/System.

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No, you can't.
Be specific, show us this information that is _GUARANTEED_
in writing sufficient to hold up in court, that it applies
to some randomly-selected (as would occur when one comes
across a product) WIndows. The terms are not consistent
across all distributions of WIndows and therefore can not be
"gotten" and assumed to apply to a product which can't be
verified before purchase to have same (terms).
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Old May 25th 05, 07:00 PM
kony
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 16:53:32 GMT, Leythos
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No, you can't.
Be specific, show us this information that is _GUARANTEED_
in writing sufficient to hold up in court, that it applies
to some randomly-selected (as would occur when one comes
across a product) WIndows. The terms are not consistent
across all distributions of WIndows and therefore can not be
"gotten" and assumed to apply to a product which can't be
verified before purchase to have same (terms).


When did I mention anything about court


If it doesn't hold up on court then your idea about EULA or
terms is pretty irrelevant, isn't it? What ARE customers
agreeing to then? NOTHING if it doesn't stand up to legal
definitions.


- your statement was that people
purchased a computer/system with Windows without any means to read the
EULA before the purchase and that it made the return of Windows
impossible or highly unlikely for those that do not agree to the EULA.


Not impossible, BUT any additional effort or expense is not
same thing as being able to reject it without any additional
burden, as is the case with any other agreement where terms
are disclosed at THAT time, not elsewhere, "maybe".


Your statement is 100% false, the information IS available to those that
don't want to purchase blindly.


Oh? Show me. Show us all where we can be GUARANTEED we'd
reading something that applies to any SPECIFIC
possible-to-purchase product.



I don't give a sh!t about legal or not, only that your inflammatory
statement was false - the EULA is available BEFORE purchase to any
customer that chooses to be informed.


No, it's not always and often not available. Even if you
can read "something" you are not guaranteed what you read
applies. When you purchase a license there must be some
fixation of terms at the time and point of entering into
that agreement, not beforehand via a 3rd party nor after the
sale.
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Old May 25th 05, 09:42 PM
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Leythos wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Wed, 25 May 2005 02:19:11 GMT, Leythos
wrote:

In article ,
says...
You still don't get it. The buyer is only ignorant because
of MS' neglecting to disclose terms. MS has hidden the
terms and should be forthcoming. You try to shift blame
when I already stated an obvious solution- a packaging that
discloses the terms.

MS Didn't hide anything, you can get all the information even
before you purchase the OS/System.

--


No, you can't.
Be specific, show us this information that is _GUARANTEED_
in writing sufficient to hold up in court, that it applies
to some randomly-selected (as would occur when one comes
across a product) WIndows. The terms are not consistent
across all distributions of WIndows and therefore can not be
"gotten" and assumed to apply to a product which can't be
verified before purchase to have same (terms).


When did I mention anything about court - your statement was that
people purchased a computer/system with Windows without any means to
read the EULA before the purchase and that it made the return of
Windows impossible or highly unlikely for those that do not agree to
the EULA.

Your statement is 100% false, the information IS available to those
that don't want to purchase blindly.

I don't give a sh!t about legal or not, only that your inflammatory
statement was false - the EULA is available BEFORE purchase to any
customer that chooses to be informed.


Yeah, like the Earth had available that it was going to be destroyed to
make way for a hyperspatial bypass in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the
Galaxy!

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Old May 25th 05, 09:43 PM
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Leythos wrote:
In article ,
says...
No, it's not always and often not available. Even if you
can read "something" you are not guaranteed what you read
applies.


You're hopeless.


Said the Queen of the delusional!

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"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"


  #335  
Old May 25th 05, 10:52 PM
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 18:35:27 GMT, Leythos
wrote:

In article ,
says...
No, it's not always and often not available. Even if you
can read "something" you are not guaranteed what you read
applies.


You're hopeless.



That's ironic.
 




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