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"Leythos" wrote in message ... Lets see, you buy an OS, it permits you to do anything legal that you want, you can copy music, you can copy video, all as long as you have a legal right to it - what part are you left without? Your analogy should be more like: You buy a house. You want to make crack in it. The government has rules against it - you have a choice. You start making crack. You get your home taken away by the government. The OS has no capability to determine what is legal and what is not. All it can do is enforce a configured policy, configured by a person who may or may not know what is legal. The whole point of this type of technology is to permit the enforcement of restrictions that are *not* found in the law. DS |
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"Leythos" wrote in message ... There is no "Protected Area" there is just a restriction on what you can copy. Where do you get the idea that there is some magical area reserved on your drive? Your assumption about "protected area" is wrong, as is your reasoning. Suppose a virus or other piece of malware managed to protect itself such that I could not copy it. That would mean that I could not send it to an expert for analysis or copy it onto another uninfected machine myself to figure out how to disentangle it from my system. Right? DS |
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"kurttrail" wrote in message ... Leythos wrote: In article , says... Leythos wrote: In article , says... The libraries, scholars, and legal analysts have been warning for at least five years that fair use rights are being destroyed completely by the MPAA, RIAA, and a subservient federal system, under both Clinton and Bush. And how is that relevant to Vista? If vista does not stop one from doing legal things, then it's not really an issue, is it. If you hardware doesn't meet some arbitrary MS/Hollywood requirement, then you won't be able to view hi-def video content. That is an erosion of my "fair use" rights on the hi-def equipment I already own. I my wide screen TV is not HI-DEF ready, so I suppose that my rights have been eroded too. And who really knows what other things lurk in this. And then consider when it doesn't work right like PA and WGA hasn't for many. Consumers get screwed, but the fat cats in Hollywood & Redmond become even fatter cats. Copy-protection in all its forms is anti-consumer technology. I have yet to see ANY credible proof that casual-copying has EVER hurt one copyright owner. The publishing industry has never been hurt by free public libraries. The music industry was NEVER hurt by cassette tapes and later CD-burning. The TV and Movie industry was NEVER hurt by video tape! And all these copying technologies have been used for casual copying. Even filesharing has yet to be proven to be a scurge to the music and movie industry. Has ANY music publisher, or movie studio even come close to losing money since filesharing? Sure the music industry had a decline in sales, but the same period was also generally considered to be seriously lacking good music releases! There are just as many studies that say that filesharing actually is good for both industries than bad. And since none these corporate content providers has proven it has been hurt by it, it is becoming less and less likely that the industry paid-for studies crying about a filesharing created doomsday is ever likely to happen. So technically casual copying and filesharing are wrong, but in reality they end up actually creating a buzz for what is being CC'd and shared. It is the word of mouth advertising in the digital age. But the music industry cried the sky was falling with cassette tapes! And the movie industry cried wolf with video tapes! And now the RIAA, MPAA, and the BSA are crying like a Greek chorus, yet they are all raking in the big bucks like never before! I've heard enough crocadile tears to know that they are all so full of sh*t. I've heard enough of their FUD, and seen them trash "fair use" like it was casual copying and filesharing. I know full well that no content provider has ever gone broke because of casual copying, and probably actually benefitted from it from word of mouth sales! And it is becoming more and more likely that filesharing does the same but on a more macro scale! The anti-consumer copy-protection campaigns of the RIAA, MPAA, and the BSA are nothing more than FUD, and is intended to sucker people into believing that "fair use" is piracy, when it really is not! Behavior modification by the corporate copyright elites of the world to strip consumers of both their "fair use" rights, and their right to privacy! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" And to this day have you heard of any case of (at least) someone being reprimanded by MS (The Great) for the very statements mentioned above, like copying a CD. So Kurttrail, back on line with the OP subject, will you be buying Vista? Or what ever it's called upon official release. You'll be able to join in good company Carey, Jupiter and Bruce in the new newsgroup, they may even be on your side when the 'Neo-Uber' EULA MS imposes with it. Though Carey's nose seems a bit too brown for that to happen. - Winux P |
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GregRo wrote:
I apologize for the rant. http://snipurl.com/hbl7 I have made my decision Vista I will not be buying. No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it. I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever. If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system. Greg Ro Who cares what you do - stick or don't stick - who cares. -- Rock MS MVP Windows - Shell/User |
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Hello, Thanks for the information.
Certain people do not understand the erosion of basic rights. No matter what they state they "just don't get it". Microsoft may have future problems but not with file sharing or copying in the U.S. or Europe. Their problem will be with China, India and Google. take care. beamish. "GregRo" wrote: I apologize for the rant. http://snipurl.com/hbl7 I have made my decision Vista I will not be buying. No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it. I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever. If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system. Greg Ro |
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"Rock" wrote in message ... GregRo wrote: I apologize for the rant. http://snipurl.com/hbl7 I have made my decision Vista I will not be buying. No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it. I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever. If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system. Greg Ro Who cares what you do - stick or don't stick - who cares. -- Spock MS MVP Windows - Shell/User No one, but then again Who cares what you do - care or don't care - who cares. Quite ironic Spock. - Winux P |
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Winux P wrote:
"kurttrail" wrote in message ... Leythos wrote: In article , says... Leythos wrote: In article , says... The libraries, scholars, and legal analysts have been warning for at least five years that fair use rights are being destroyed completely by the MPAA, RIAA, and a subservient federal system, under both Clinton and Bush. And how is that relevant to Vista? If vista does not stop one from doing legal things, then it's not really an issue, is it. If you hardware doesn't meet some arbitrary MS/Hollywood requirement, then you won't be able to view hi-def video content. That is an erosion of my "fair use" rights on the hi-def equipment I already own. I my wide screen TV is not HI-DEF ready, so I suppose that my rights have been eroded too. And who really knows what other things lurk in this. And then consider when it doesn't work right like PA and WGA hasn't for many. Consumers get screwed, but the fat cats in Hollywood & Redmond become even fatter cats. Copy-protection in all its forms is anti-consumer technology. I have yet to see ANY credible proof that casual-copying has EVER hurt one copyright owner. The publishing industry has never been hurt by free public libraries. The music industry was NEVER hurt by cassette tapes and later CD-burning. The TV and Movie industry was NEVER hurt by video tape! And all these copying technologies have been used for casual copying. Even filesharing has yet to be proven to be a scurge to the music and movie industry. Has ANY music publisher, or movie studio even come close to losing money since filesharing? Sure the music industry had a decline in sales, but the same period was also generally considered to be seriously lacking good music releases! There are just as many studies that say that filesharing actually is good for both industries than bad. And since none these corporate content providers has proven it has been hurt by it, it is becoming less and less likely that the industry paid-for studies crying about a filesharing created doomsday is ever likely to happen. So technically casual copying and filesharing are wrong, but in reality they end up actually creating a buzz for what is being CC'd and shared. It is the word of mouth advertising in the digital age. But the music industry cried the sky was falling with cassette tapes! And the movie industry cried wolf with video tapes! And now the RIAA, MPAA, and the BSA are crying like a Greek chorus, yet they are all raking in the big bucks like never before! I've heard enough crocadile tears to know that they are all so full of sh*t. I've heard enough of their FUD, and seen them trash "fair use" like it was casual copying and filesharing. I know full well that no content provider has ever gone broke because of casual copying, and probably actually benefitted from it from word of mouth sales! And it is becoming more and more likely that filesharing does the same but on a more macro scale! The anti-consumer copy-protection campaigns of the RIAA, MPAA, and the BSA are nothing more than FUD, and is intended to sucker people into believing that "fair use" is piracy, when it really is not! Behavior modification by the corporate copyright elites of the world to strip consumers of both their "fair use" rights, and their right to privacy! And to this day have you heard of any case of (at least) someone being reprimanded by MS (The Great) for the very statements mentioned above, like copying a CD. So Kurttrail, back on line with the OP subject, will you be buying Vista? Or what ever it's called upon official release. You'll be able to join in good company Carey, Jupiter and Bruce in the new newsgroup, they may even be on your side when the 'Neo-Uber' EULA MS imposes with it. Though Carey's nose seems a bit too brown for that to happen. - Winux P I got Windows XP as a present, so I didn't pay for it, and I wouldn't pay for Fistula, though that won't stop me from posting to a Fistula group. ;-) -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Leythos wrote:
In article , says... That's not what he's saying. What he's saying is that he trusts himself more than he trusts his OS vendor. It's a question of who should have the keys to his computer, him or Microsoft. He chooses himself. I would too. But the vendor isn't doing anything that would impact anyone that isn't doing anything unethical - at least nothing anyone has mentioned points to the vendor blocking anything ethical. Taking control away from the individual with technology is unethical in my book, but I'm not a total suckup to corporations, like you! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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"Leythos" wrote in message ... In article , says... That's not what he's saying. What he's saying is that he trusts himself more than he trusts his OS vendor. It's a question of who should have the keys to his computer, him or Microsoft. He chooses himself. I would too. But the vendor isn't doing anything that would impact anyone that isn't doing anything unethical - at least nothing anyone has mentioned points to the vendor blocking anything ethical. .. Irrelevant argument and non sequitor. |
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I read the article and it was quite depressing. Should an OS maker be
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:26:50 -0700, "David Schwartz"
wrote: That's not what he's saying. What he's saying is that he trusts himself more than he trusts his OS vendor. It's a question of who should have the keys to his computer, him or Microsoft. He chooses himself. I would too. Thank you David. That is exactly my point. |
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"Leythos" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:26:50 -0700, "David Schwartz" wrote: That's not what he's saying. What he's saying is that he trusts himself more than he trusts his OS vendor. It's a question of who should have the keys to his computer, him or Microsoft. He chooses himself. I would too. Thank you David. That is exactly my point. While I agree with your view - and don't believe they should be installing anything that the RIAA wants, since it doesn't impact those that don't violate the laws (at least as I read it), I don't have any significant issues with it. Not the point. The point is MS has NO BUSINESS being a copyright cop. 'Course, this fits right in with the principles behind PA and WGA: assuming paying customers are thieves. So, this will prevent someone from sharing some music but I am sure it won't prevent the real thieves from copying any more than it prevented them from pirating XP. Alias |
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Leythos wrote:
In article , says... On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:26:50 -0700, "David Schwartz" wrote: That's not what he's saying. What he's saying is that he trusts himself more than he trusts his OS vendor. It's a question of who should have the keys to his computer, him or Microsoft. He chooses himself. I would too. Thank you David. That is exactly my point. While I agree with your view - and don't believe they should be installing anything that the RIAA wants, since it doesn't impact those that don't violate the laws (at least as I read it), I don't have any significant issues with it. LOL! When it screws up, as all usage-limiting technology does, it will impact those that haven't violated any law. True pirates will get around it, only law-abiding people will get screwed. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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"Leythos" wrote in message ... In article , aka@[notme] maskedandanonymous.org says... So, this will prevent someone from sharing some music but I am sure it won't prevent the real thieves from copying any more than it prevented them from pirating XP. I guess I look at it like this - you said "will prevent someone from "sharing"... won't prevent the real thieves..... I don't see the difference between someone "sharing" a file against licensing rules and and pirates that copy entire CD's and sell them to kids. You don't know the difference between sharing and selling? Why am I not surprised? The cassette tape did not mean the end to the music companies. The video cassette did not mean the end to Hollywood. MS made BILLIONS with Win 9x and W2K even though they could be casually copied. You are wrong, Leythos, your patronizing and phony morality notwithstanding. The only people who will be inconvenienced are paying customers. The real pirates that steal for a living will not, as usual, be affected. Alias |
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