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  #46  
Old February 26th 07, 12:01 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
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Default Does Vista Actually Want 18 Gigabytes Of Disc Space?


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message


It's also a Market driven by Left-Wing Judges who are convinced that Big
Corporations Are Inherently BAD and must be brought to heel -- by said
Judges -- or broken up if they fail to heel. It's often an eat the Golden
Goose solution.


Actually, it was the Bush administration who dropped the anti-trust cases
against Microsoft.

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Old February 26th 07, 02:04 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
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Default Does Vista Actually Want 18 Gigabytes Of Disc Space?

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...


I fear Bill Gates is an absentee landlord these days and
his successors don't have a steady hand on the tiller.

The new head of MS, the guy Gates hired as CEO,...


Yes, what's his name -- Steve something or other? Former MS President --
now CEO?

is a consumate
businessman and has steadily raised their sales, revenues and
profits, which is what a traditional CEO is supposed to do. So, he
well deserves the salary, bonuses, and stock options he is getting.


Good Points & True.

But, he is not, not, NOT the techno visionary that Bill Gates is,
so my view is that Gates will never fully relinquish the throne to
an old-fashioned bean counter, even though that is exactly what MS
needs to do in a market driven by costs and with limited markets to
conquer, if they cannot convince people to upgrade on a whim.


Yep, Bill and Melinda need to stop giving away their money and Warren
Buffet's for a while [although I understand exactly why they are doing it --
all the reasons] and watch the store more.

It's also a Market driven by Left-Wing Judges who are convinced that Big
Corporations Are Inherently BAD and must be brought to heel -- by said
Judges -- or broken up if they fail to heel. It's often an eat the Golden
Goose solution.

[snip]
You're not likely to see it, ever. Please keep in mind that
much of life revolves around perception, and not absolute
truth, but reality trumps any card in the game. So, if you
PERCEIVE you need the next whiz bang, then I guess you do,
but be prepared for some headaches if you're an early adopter
on something this big.
D'accord.

Have a good Sunday, Spence!


Oh, I am indeed -- on O'ahu -- Kailua.

And you too -- where, in general, if you don't mind.

DSH

--
HP, aka Jerry


And the next time you're looking for a job, ask the guy with the
squeegee, down on Main Street for a job...
--
Tom - Vista, CA
  #48  
Old February 26th 07, 02:05 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
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Default Does Vista Actually Want 18 Gigabytes Of Disc Space?

Dale wrote:

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message


It's also a Market driven by Left-Wing Judges who are convinced that
Big Corporations Are Inherently BAD and must be brought to heel -- by
said Judges -- or broken up if they fail to heel. It's often an eat
the Golden Goose solution.


Actually, it was the Bush administration who dropped the anti-trust
cases against Microsoft.


And a good thing someone had enough guts to do it...
--
Tom - Vista, CA
  #49  
Old February 26th 07, 02:17 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
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Default Does Vista Actually Want 18 Gigabytes Of Disc Space? That's Why They Call It PISTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

On Feb 24, 12:36 am, "D. Spencer Hines"
wrote:
Does Vista Actually Want 18 Gigabytes Of Disc Space?

DSH



Yes PISTA requires about 18G of space.
My current Ubuntu Linux install is about 16G and that includes all
the Linux applications!!

You need to be de-Pistified!

Try Linux!

  #50  
Old February 26th 07, 03:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
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Default Does Vista Actually Want 18 Gigabytes Of Disc Space? That's Why They Call It PISTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

You mean Linux installed all those programs you didn't ask for?


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On Feb 24, 12:36 am, "D. Spencer Hines"
wrote:
Does Vista Actually Want 18 Gigabytes Of Disc Space?

DSH



Yes PISTA requires about 18G of space.
My current Ubuntu Linux install is about 16G and that includes all
the Linux applications!!

You need to be de-Pistified!

Try Linux!


  #51  
Old February 26th 07, 05:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
HEMI-Powered
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Default Does Vista Actually Want 18 Gigabytes Of Disc Space?

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...

Right now,
my wife's slower PC with a lot less memory and only 20 gigs
HDD is whining at me that her XP Pro SP1 is no longer
supported, the little nag pop-ups and icons in the systray
coming from MS, of course. Well, it is still getting security
fixes as well, and I think it will continue to do so.


I didn't know that.

I'm running XP Pro SP2...

Can it be far behind?

Two years at most?

Do you think there will be an SP3 -- and if so, when?

It is doubtful to me that there will be an SP3, as Vista replaces
any major maintence releases of XP. But, I would expect MS to
support XP, SP1 and SP2 indefinitely for critical updates and
security patches, but not features or other kinds of bugs.

When my wife gets a pop-up, she just ignores it as the babbling of
someone who is trying to scare her into upgrading, who would be me,
and I am not easily intimidated. As to SP2, I have seen nothing.
Still, what exactly are you afraid of? I know many people leading
perfectly happy lives with Win 95/98, Win ME, and Win XP Home or
Pro native, no SPs.

--
HP, aka Jerry
  #52  
Old February 26th 07, 05:30 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
HEMI-Powered
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Default Does Vista Actually Want 18 Gigabytes Of Disc Space?

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

You are certainly right about that.

But they are pushing it VERY Aggressively.

DSH

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...

Well, I refuse to let MS install IE7 and will continue to do
so while a breath is left in my XP body.


No matter what we have been told or led to believe, no one can
force you to do anything you do not want to do, just as a salesman
no matter how good can sell you on something you do not want to
buy. However, in both examples YOU must take decisive action to
prevent an unwanted conclusion. In my case, I prevent Windows from
auto updating my PC 100%, I have both of them set to "notify only
but do not download or install". And, I have opted out of the IE7
auto install gambit. But, them who allow another to take away their
freedoms deserve exactly what they get, and I am NOT referring at
all specifically to MS, as other software developers do similar
things, as do cell phone providers, PDA sellers, car makers, anyone
who deals in modifiable computer code.

--
HP, aka Jerry
  #53  
Old February 26th 07, 05:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
HEMI-Powered
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Default Does Vista Actually Want 18 Gigabytes Of Disc Space?

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...


I fear Bill Gates is an absentee landlord these days and his
successors don't have a steady hand on the tiller.


The new head of MS, the guy Gates hired as CEO,...


Yes, what's his name -- Steve something or other? Former MS
President -- now CEO?


Yes, you just jogged my memory - it is Steve Ballmer (maybe
spelled wrong).

is a consumate
businessman and has steadily raised their sales, revenues and
profits, which is what a traditional CEO is supposed to do.
So, he well deserves the salary, bonuses, and stock options
he is getting.


Good Points & True.

But, he is not, not, NOT the techno visionary that Bill Gates
is, so my view is that Gates will never fully relinquish the
throne to an old-fashioned bean counter, even though that is
exactly what MS needs to do in a market driven by costs and
with limited markets to conquer, if they cannot convince
people to upgrade on a whim.


Yep, Bill and Melinda need to stop giving away their money and
Warren Buffet's for a while [although I understand exactly why
they are doing it -- all the reasons] and watch the store
more.


Bill and Melinda are free to give away THEIR money, it ain't any
of our business. But, my personal view, shared by some and
disparaged by others, is that besides being a visionary, Bill
Gates is also an extreme egotist in the best vein of a Lee
Iacocca, so I don't think he will ever totally drop the reins.

It's also a Market driven by Left-Wing Judges who are
convinced that Big Corporations Are Inherently BAD and must be
brought to heel -- by said Judges -- or broken up if they fail
to heel. It's often an eat the Golden Goose solution.


Let's try to keep politics out of this, OK? I will make only one
comment about the courts: they are highly divided as to whether
anyone's EULA is or is not enforceable because they ALL violate
one main tenate of a contract, and that is the right of either
party to modify the contract prior to agreeing. There never has
been any law or rulings that force the other party to agree to
the changes, but full agreement on the wording, as well as full
agreement on what contract attorney's call "consideration", which
often means money but doesn't always mean that.

[snip]
You're not likely to see it, ever. Please keep in mind that
much of life revolves around perception, and not absolute
truth, but reality trumps any card in the game. So, if you
PERCEIVE you need the next whiz bang, then I guess you do,
but be prepared for some headaches if you're an early
adopter on something this big.

D'accord.

Have a good Sunday, Spence!


Oh, I am indeed -- on O'ahu -- Kailua.

And you too -- where, in general, if you don't mind.

DSH


--
HP, aka Jerry
  #54  
Old February 26th 07, 05:36 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
HEMI-Powered
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Default Does Vista Actually Want 18 Gigabytes Of Disc Space?

Today, Dale made these interesting comments ...

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

It's also a Market driven by Left-Wing Judges who are
convinced that Big Corporations Are Inherently BAD and must
be brought to heel -- by said Judges -- or broken up if they
fail to heel. It's often an eat the Golden Goose solution.


Actually, it was the Bush administration who dropped the
anti-trust cases against Microsoft.

Again, please keep the politics out of here. This isn't
a.b.p.military, it is a MS peer-to-peer and MVP support group. In
another minute or two, we'll be debating first the American
political system then the international one, and I'd prefer not to
have to wade through war in Iraq crap here. Thank you.

--
HP, aka Jerry
  #55  
Old February 26th 07, 06:00 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
D. Spencer Hines
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Default Does Vista Actually Want 18 Gigabytes Of Disc Space?

Yes, I understand entirely.

I was using 98 for years before XP Pro SP2.

I'm not afraid -- just inquisitive. g

Thanks.

XP Pro SP2 is phat though.

DSH

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...

Right now,
my wife's slower PC with a lot less memory and only 20 gigs
HDD is whining at me that her XP Pro SP1 is no longer
supported, the little nag pop-ups and icons in the systray
coming from MS, of course. Well, it is still getting security
fixes as well, and I think it will continue to do so.


I didn't know that.

I'm running XP Pro SP2...

Can it be far behind?

Two years at most?

Do you think there will be an SP3 -- and if so, when?

It is doubtful to me that there will be an SP3, as Vista replaces
any major maintence releases of XP. But, I would expect MS to
support XP, SP1 and SP2 indefinitely for critical updates and
security patches, but not features or other kinds of bugs.

When my wife gets a pop-up, she just ignores it as the babbling of
someone who is trying to scare her into upgrading, who would be me,
and I am not easily intimidated. As to SP2, I have seen nothing.
Still, what exactly are you afraid of? I know many people leading
perfectly happy lives with Win 95/98, Win ME, and Win XP Home or
Pro native, no SPs.

--
HP, aka Jerry



  #56  
Old February 26th 07, 06:03 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
D. Spencer Hines
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Default Does Vista Actually Want 18 Gigabytes Of Disc Space?

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

You are certainly right about that.

But they are pushing it VERY Aggressively.

DSH

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...

Well, I refuse to let MS install IE7 and will continue to do
so while a breath is left in my XP body.


No matter what we have been told or led to believe, no one can
force you to do anything you do not want to do, just as a salesman
no matter how good can sell you on something you do not want to
buy. However, in both examples YOU must take decisive action to
prevent an unwanted conclusion. In my case, I prevent Windows from
auto updating my PC 100%, I have both of them set to "notify only
but do not download or install".


As have I.

And, I have opted out of the IE7
auto install gambit.


As have I.

But, them who allow another to take away their
freedoms deserve exactly what they get, and I am NOT referring at
all specifically to MS, as other software developers do similar
things, as do cell phone providers, PDA sellers, car makers, anyone
who deals in modifiable computer code.

--
HP, aka Jerry



  #57  
Old February 26th 07, 06:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
D. Spencer Hines
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Posts: 540
Default Does Vista Actually Want 18 Gigabytes Of Disc Space?

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...

Yep, Bill and Melinda need to stop giving away their money and
Warren Buffet's for a while [although I understand exactly why
they are doing it -- all the reasons] and watch the store
more.


Bill and Melinda are free to give away THEIR money, it ain't any
of our business. But, my personal view, shared by some and
disparaged by others, is that besides being a visionary, Bill
Gates is also an extreme egotist in the best vein of a Lee
Iacocca, so I don't think he will ever totally drop the reins.

It's also a Market driven by Left-Wing Judges who are
convinced that Big Corporations Are Inherently BAD and must be
brought to heel -- by said Judges -- or broken up if they fail
to heel. It's often an eat the Golden Goose solution.


Let's try to keep politics out of this, OK?


Politics can NEVER be kept out of such weighty matters. Politics are where
we work these matters out.

I will make only one
comment about the courts: they are highly divided as to whether
anyone's EULA is or is not enforceable because they ALL violate
one main tenate of a contract, and that is the right of either
party to modify the contract prior to agreeing. There never has
been any law or rulings that force the other party to agree to
the changes, but full agreement on the wording, as well as full
agreement on what contract attorney's call "consideration", which
often means money but doesn't always mean that.

Have a good Sunday, Spence!


Oh, I am indeed -- on O'ahu -- Kailua.

And you too -- where, in general, if you don't mind.

DSH


--
HP, aka Jerry



  #58  
Old February 26th 07, 12:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
HEMI-Powered
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Posts: 52
Default Does Vista Actually Want 18 Gigabytes Of Disc Space?

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

Yes, I understand entirely.

I was using 98 for years before XP Pro SP2.

I'm not afraid -- just inquisitive. g


Sorry, bad choice of words on my part. One big problem with the
written word is that intonation and body language is impossible,
we're left with just BS like grin to tell people our feelings.
You came across - to me - like you were getting a panic attack.
I'll try to be more sensitive, DSH.
Thanks.

XP Pro SP2 is phat though.

DSH

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...

Right now,
my wife's slower PC with a lot less memory and only 20 gigs
HDD is whining at me that her XP Pro SP1 is no longer
supported, the little nag pop-ups and icons in the systray
coming from MS, of course. Well, it is still getting
security fixes as well, and I think it will continue to do
so.

I didn't know that.

I'm running XP Pro SP2...

Can it be far behind?

Two years at most?

Do you think there will be an SP3 -- and if so, when?

It is doubtful to me that there will be an SP3, as Vista
replaces any major maintence releases of XP. But, I would
expect MS to support XP, SP1 and SP2 indefinitely for
critical updates and security patches, but not features or
other kinds of bugs.

When my wife gets a pop-up, she just ignores it as the
babbling of someone who is trying to scare her into
upgrading, who would be me, and I am not easily intimidated.
As to SP2, I have seen nothing. Still, what exactly are you
afraid of? I know many people leading perfectly happy lives
with Win 95/98, Win ME, and Win XP Home or Pro native, no
SPs.

--
HP, aka Jerry







--
HP, aka Jerry
  #59  
Old February 26th 07, 12:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
HEMI-Powered
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Posts: 52
Default Does Vista Actually Want 18 Gigabytes Of Disc Space?

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

It's also a Market driven by Left-Wing Judges who are
convinced that Big Corporations Are Inherently BAD and must
be brought to heel -- by said Judges -- or broken up if they
fail to heel. It's often an eat the Golden Goose solution.


Let's try to keep politics out of this, OK?


Politics can NEVER be kept out of such weighty matters.
Politics are where we work these matters out.


I am big believer in dissent being the only true and useful tool
to initiate real change. It was certainly true during the
Declaration of Independence day, the Revolutionary War, the
Constitutional Convention, development of political parties in
this country, and on to this very day. If the dissent, with its
obligatory political side, can be thoughtful and factual, and not
emotional, personal, and purely party politics, then I am not
only all for it, I will join in, as I have here. This thread,
unlike many, has not resulted in any flaming nor smart-ass
comments so far.

What I would NOT want to see is an American government political
debate, for example, whether it was liberal judges appointed
presumeably from some prior Democratic president's administration
that allowed MS off the hook or not, I would rather describe it
as I did, as in "the court hearing the MS monopoly case, brought
my Netscape, and X, Y and Z was decided in favor of MS because it
demonstrated A, B, anc C." and just leave off the left-wing part,
which I can't even verify.

So, let's dissent within the charter of this NG and not go
negative. No, I'm NOT suggesting that you are, just stating my
preferance. Threads can go anyway they like, I guess they have a
First Amendment as well! now, a grin

I will make only one
comment about the courts: they are highly divided as to
whether anyone's EULA is or is not enforceable because they
ALL violate one main tenate of a contract, and that is the
right of either party to modify the contract prior to
agreeing. There never has been any law or rulings that force
the other party to agree to the changes, but full agreement
on the wording, as well as full agreement on what contract
attorney's call "consideration", which often means money but
doesn't always mean that.

--
HP, aka Jerry
  #60  
Old February 26th 07, 02:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
TOM7601
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Default Does Vista Actually Want 18 Gigabytes Of Disc Space?

HEMI-Powered wrote:
Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

Yes, I understand entirely.

I was using 98 for years before XP Pro SP2.

I'm not afraid -- just inquisitive. g


Sorry, bad choice of words on my part. One big problem with the
written word is that intonation and body language is impossible,
we're left with just BS like grin to tell people our feelings.
You came across - to me - like you were getting a panic attack.
I'll try to be more sensitive, DSH.
Thanks.

XP Pro SP2 is phat though.

DSH

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...

Right now,
my wife's slower PC with a lot less memory and only 20 gigs
HDD is whining at me that her XP Pro SP1 is no longer
supported, the little nag pop-ups and icons in the systray
coming from MS, of course. Well, it is still getting
security fixes as well, and I think it will continue to do
so.
I didn't know that.

I'm running XP Pro SP2...

Can it be far behind?

Two years at most?

Do you think there will be an SP3 -- and if so, when?

It is doubtful to me that there will be an SP3, as Vista
replaces any major maintence releases of XP. But, I would
expect MS to support XP, SP1 and SP2 indefinitely for
critical updates and security patches, but not features or
other kinds of bugs.

When my wife gets a pop-up, she just ignores it as the
babbling of someone who is trying to scare her into
upgrading, who would be me, and I am not easily intimidated.
As to SP2, I have seen nothing. Still, what exactly are you
afraid of? I know many people leading perfectly happy lives
with Win 95/98, Win ME, and Win XP Home or Pro native, no
SPs.

--
HP, aka Jerry


I think I'll stick with Windows for Workgroups v 3.11.

Hey, I'm kidding!!! :))
--
Tom - Vista, CA
 




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