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Activation-How do I stop the insanity?
Alias wrote: Horsepucky. It would be so helpful to us in the UK if you guys can translate non standard american terms for us or provide links where we can learn from. I don't know what Horsepucky means. I don't expect you to be rude for trivial matter such as this so I assume it is just a normal american slang for something. Best regards, |
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Activation-How do I stop the insanity?
Mark Smith wrote:
snipped And you are wrong anyway. You most certainly should have the devices plugged up so XP can go ahead and install them. It is easier and faster. And what the hell do you think happens when you plug in the device? The OS tries to install it anyway. You should not have USB devices plugged in when installing XP. It may cause the install to delay or even hang while it tries to find drivers. If they are mass storage devices and formatted XP may end up on a partition other than C:. It is always best to install with internal devices only and add external devices later. Kerry |
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"Richard Urban" wrote in message
news:eaMB1D6% ......you turned to ranting. BTW, the time you took with only your first post would have been well spent by just reactivating your operating system. You have spent well over ten times that amount of time now! Thanks for the recap. You are right that I am ranting now. I am frustrated, especially because I know I have a new video card coming and a 1gig of ram coming. The MS tech said when I install that I am going to have activate again. You are wrong about the USB not needed in my original post. I have never seen a pop up like that before, so it was relevant. And I did reactivate. I had no choice. The tech said I had no choice, even though there was a tab on the activation screen that said I could continue later. I had asked if I could wait because I knew I had new hardware coming. I hope you noticed from all this that I have not complained about XP at all. It is just the activation, and because I just learned from the tech that I am going to have to get a new number every time I activate from now on. And before when all I had to do was click three times, I had no complaint about the activation process. |
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Activation-Will reformatting start my grace period over again?
"GregRo" wrote in message
... It sounds like your key got messed up somehow. I usually does it during the install of windows xp if it messes up. I know it has happen with me and had to do another reinstall. Thanks, that was my next plan. To try and reformat and reinstall. But I still have to enter the same product number (off the back of my legitimate multi-folder that XP came in). So want MS still know that it is me calling again? The tech said no matter what I would have to get a new activation code each time. Is that right? When my video card gets here Friday, I will know soon enough, because that is when I will be reformatting. |
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I know that it seems to suck, but you just got a bad tech. A popup on your
screen will tell you exactly how many days you have to activate or reactivate. Believe what your computer tells you, not some person from a third world country. I change hardware much more than others also. I have had to reactivate about 4-5 times over the years because of this. My situation is NOT the norm. Many, many people buy a computer and used it until it dies, without even adding one additional program or piece of hardware. They don't know that they can. They replace what may go bad by sending the computer back to the manufacturer. What they usually get is an exact replacement part. Also, their computer may have, in fact, been activated by the manufacturer or need no activation because of the way the manufacturer installs the operating system on their computers. The customer/user does not even know that the process exists. You and I are different. I have learned to live with it and I am certain that you can also. At most, it is a phone call of about 5 minutes. -- Regards, Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew! "Mark Smith" wrote in message ... "Richard Urban" wrote in message news:eaMB1D6% ......you turned to ranting. BTW, the time you took with only your first post would have been well spent by just reactivating your operating system. You have spent well over ten times that amount of time now! Thanks for the recap. You are right that I am ranting now. I am frustrated, especially because I know I have a new video card coming and a 1gig of ram coming. The MS tech said when I install that I am going to have activate again. You are wrong about the USB not needed in my original post. I have never seen a pop up like that before, so it was relevant. And I did reactivate. I had no choice. The tech said I had no choice, even though there was a tab on the activation screen that said I could continue later. I had asked if I could wait because I knew I had new hardware coming. I hope you noticed from all this that I have not complained about XP at all. It is just the activation, and because I just learned from the tech that I am going to have to get a new number every time I activate from now on. And before when all I had to do was click three times, I had no complaint about the activation process. |
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You are right about the mass storage part. I accidentally reformatted a back
up drive because I got it confused with the internal. I learned the hard way to have those unplugged. But the way I recall the post, he listed printers and some other major hardware. I definitely would not unplug my external dial up modem. It has been my experience that devices bought or made pre-XP release cause no problem when reinstalling. The problems I am facing now is that I have bought several things that were made after XP. I can't wait to see what happens when I try to reinstall XP with all my opticals being connected to a PCI card. That is going to be fun. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... Mark Smith wrote: snipped And you are wrong anyway. You most certainly should have the devices plugged up so XP can go ahead and install them. It is easier and faster. And what the hell do you think happens when you plug in the device? The OS tries to install it anyway. You should not have USB devices plugged in when installing XP. It may cause the install to delay or even hang while it tries to find drivers. If they are mass storage devices and formatted XP may end up on a partition other than C:. It is always best to install with internal devices only and add external devices later. Kerry |
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Mark Smith wrote:
You are right about the mass storage part. I accidentally reformatted a back up drive because I got it confused with the internal. I learned the hard way to have those unplugged. But the way I recall the post, he listed printers and some other major hardware. Printers often have card readers built in. I install Windows as often as 50 times a month on various computers. Most of those installs are highly automated but at least 10 - 20 are standard installs booting from the CD. I have learned the hard way to not have any external devices hooked up. It doesn't save any time and often causes problems. Kerry I definitely would not unplug my external dial up modem. It has been my experience that devices bought or made pre-XP release cause no problem when reinstalling. The problems I am facing now is that I have bought several things that were made after XP. I can't wait to see what happens when I try to reinstall XP with all my opticals being connected to a PCI card. That is going to be fun. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... Mark Smith wrote: snipped And you are wrong anyway. You most certainly should have the devices plugged up so XP can go ahead and install them. It is easier and faster. And what the hell do you think happens when you plug in the device? The OS tries to install it anyway. You should not have USB devices plugged in when installing XP. It may cause the install to delay or even hang while it tries to find drivers. If they are mass storage devices and formatted XP may end up on a partition other than C:. It is always best to install with internal devices only and add external devices later. Kerry |
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In message "Kerry Brown"
*a*m wrote: Mark Smith wrote: snipped And you are wrong anyway. You most certainly should have the devices plugged up so XP can go ahead and install them. It is easier and faster. And what the hell do you think happens when you plug in the device? The OS tries to install it anyway. You should not have USB devices plugged in when installing XP. It may cause the install to delay or even hang while it tries to find drivers. If they are mass storage devices and formatted XP may end up on a partition other than C:. It is always best to install with internal devices only and add external devices later. This is one of the reasons I used an Adaptec USB2 PCI card for many moons -- I could have my USB storage devices (a few of which are installed in the PC) connected to that card and the installer wouldn't see them, but they would start working once the OS install finished and the Adaptec drivers were installed. Unfortunately my current system no longer has enough PCI slots (and has a good motherboard-based USB controller, so that reduces my other excuse for using the Adaptec card) -- I wish I could turn off USB ports in the BIOS though, but not all since I use a USB keyboard too. Ahh well, such is life -- With any luck the next version of Windows will have a smarter installer. -- This space intentionally left blank. |
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Activation-Will reformatting start my grace period over again?
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:18:43 -0600, "Mark Smith"
wrote: "GregRo" wrote in message ... It sounds like your key got messed up somehow. I usually does it during the install of windows xp if it messes up. I know it has happen with me and had to do another reinstall. Thanks, that was my next plan. To try and reformat and reinstall. But I still have to enter the same product number (off the back of my legitimate multi-folder that XP came in). So want MS still know that it is me calling again? The tech said no matter what I would have to get a new activation code each time. Is that right? When my video card gets here Friday, I will know soon enough, because that is when I will be reformatting. A reformat and re-install is going to automatically require a reactivation. Anytime you install or do a repair install it requires a reactivation. Simply installing a new vid card should not require a re-activation. |
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
Product Activation Facts http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx Windows XP Product Activation http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.php I was all set to upgrade to XP from ME, just bought the CD from Walmart the day before yesterday. However, given the fact that modern large volume hard drives fail so often and the fact that I too use a USB digital camera, I believe I'm going to install XP on a separate hard drive and only use it for testing purposes. When I got this computer, it was supposed to come with XP. After considering the pros and cons of XP Product Activation, I told the vendor (ABS) to install M.E. on it instead. After reading those two links, I can see that my concerns were well justified. I'm all for Microsoft protecting their product from piracy and think that product activation is a good way of doing that. What I don't like though, is the way that Microsoft has implemented this strategy. Horror stories like Mark Smith's demonstrate that the system is flawed and unfair. Also, honestly... *THREE VOTES* for a stupid NIC? Whatever was MS thinking? -- Regards from John Corliss |
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Alias wrote:
(clipped) Actually, if you clean install XP SP1, followed by SP 2, then updates, then motherboard drivers, video card, audio card drivers, then programs, and *then* devices like printers, cameras, etc., you're much better off. Thanks for mentioning this because I'm going to try to upgrade from ME to XP Home SP2 using this technique. For the last couple of days, I was thinking about how best to deal with the peripherals. However, can you provide more info about why it's better to install all the programs before attaching and detecting peripherals? With M.E., whenever I do a format and total reinstall, I always make sure that all of my hardware (including all peripherals) is functioning before installing any programs (well, that is except for Winzip and Acroread). -- Regards from John Corliss |
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John Corliss wrote:
Alias wrote: (clipped) Actually, if you clean install XP SP1, followed by SP 2, then updates, then motherboard drivers, video card, audio card drivers, then programs, and *then* devices like printers, cameras, etc., you're much better off. Thanks for mentioning this because I'm going to try to upgrade from ME to XP Home SP2 using this technique. For the last couple of days, I was thinking about how best to deal with the peripherals. However, can you provide more info about why it's better to install all the programs before attaching and detecting peripherals? With M.E., whenever I do a format and total reinstall, I always make sure that all of my hardware (including all peripherals) is functioning before installing any programs (well, that is except for Winzip and Acroread). I don't know why it's better. I only know that it has worked for me many times. Alias |
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Richard Urban wrote:
I know that it seems to suck, but you just got a bad tech. A popup on your screen will tell you exactly how many days you have to activate or reactivate. Believe what your computer tells you, not some person from a third world country. I change hardware much more than others also. I have had to reactivate about 4-5 times over the years because of this. My situation is NOT the norm. Many, many people buy a computer and used it until it dies, without even adding one additional program or piece of hardware. They don't know that they can. They replace what may go bad by sending the computer back to the manufacturer. What they usually get is an exact replacement part. Also, their computer may have, in fact, been activated by the manufacturer or need no activation because of the way the manufacturer installs the operating system on their computers. The customer/user does not even know that the process exists. You and I are different. I have learned to live with it and I am certain that you can also. At most, it is a phone call of about 5 minutes. Well that makes three of us that are "different" and I suspect there are millions more. There is no reason why paying customrs should be forced to help MS catch pirates, especially when you consider that WPA and WGA doesn't stop pirates one iota. In fact, it promotes piracy due to the frustration that a paying user experiences leading him or her to want an XP that needs no activation. Alias |
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Activation-How do I stop the insanity?
John Corliss wrote:
Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: Product Activation Facts http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx Windows XP Product Activation http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.php I was all set to upgrade to XP from ME, just bought the CD from Walmart the day before yesterday. However, given the fact that modern large volume hard drives fail so often and the fact that I too use a USB digital camera, I believe I'm going to install XP on a separate hard drive and only use it for testing purposes. When I got this computer, it was supposed to come with XP. After considering the pros and cons of XP Product Activation, I told the vendor (ABS) to install M.E. on it instead. After reading those two links, I can see that my concerns were well justified. I'm all for Microsoft protecting their product from piracy and think that product activation is a good way of doing that. How so? Pirated XP disks don't need to be activated. What I don't like though, is the way that Microsoft has implemented this strategy. Horror stories like Mark Smith's demonstrate that the system is flawed and unfair. Also, honestly... *THREE VOTES* for a stupid NIC? Whatever was MS thinking? What makes you think they were thinking? Alias |
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ANONYMOUS wrote:
Alias wrote: Horsepucky. It would be so helpful to us in the UK if you guys can translate non standard american terms for us or provide links where we can learn from. I don't know what Horsepucky means. I don't expect you to be rude for trivial matter such as this so I assume it is just a normal american slang for something. Best regards, It is synomonous with "bullsh*t". Alias |
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