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  #61  
Old January 19th 06, 04:44 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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The only time I ever got any spyware was when I downloaded a FREE DVD
encoder program. Yea, I read the EULA, but I thought that I was smarter
than they were. It took me an afternoon to get rid of everything. What
really made mad was that the DVD encoder program never even worked. ;-)

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
WTC hunted and pecked:
I have 4 as well, the last time they ever caught any positives was when I
installed the programs. Also, I use IE for everything since I believe I
have secured it properly. Also I am sitting behind a NAT router which
protects me by dropping unrequested packets.

--
William Crawford
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
I happen to have four anti-spyware programs.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
D. Spencer Hines hunted and pecked:
Do you honestly expect folks to install at least FIVE different
Anti-Spyware programs, keep them updated, monitor them and constantly
tweak each one as required?

DSH

"Shenan Stanley" wrote in message
...

[...]

There is no one software that cleans and immunizes you against
everything. Antivirus software - you only needed one. Firewall, you
only needed one. AntiSpyware - you will need several. I have a list
and I recommend you use at least the first five.

First - make sure you have NOT installed "Rogue AntiSpyware". There
are
people out there who created AntiSpyware products that actually
install spyware of their own! You need to avoid these:

Rogue/Suspect Anti-Spyware Products & Web Sites
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm

Also, you can always visit this site..
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
For more updated information.

Install the first five of these: (Install, Run, Update, Scan with..)
(If you already have one or more - uninstall them and download the
LATEST version from the page given!)

Lavasoft AdAware (Free and up)
http://www.lavasoft.de/support/download/
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/atdn )

Spybot Search and Destroy (Free!)
http://www.safer-networking.net/en/download/index.html
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/atdk )

Bazooka Adware and Spyware Scanner (Free!)
http://www.kephyr.com/spywarescanner/
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate3 )

SpywareBlaster (Free!)
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/sbdownload.html
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate6 )

IE-SPYAD2 (Free!)
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ehowes/www/resource.htm
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate7 )

CWShredder Stand-Alone (Free!)
http://www.intermute.com/spysubtract..._download.html

Hijack This! (Free!)
http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/downloads.html
(Log Analyzer: http://hjt.iamnotageek.com/ )

ToolbarCop (Free!)
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/toolbarcop.htm

Ccleaner (Free!)
http://www.ccleaner.com/

Microsoft AntiSpyware BETA (in testing stages - Free!)
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...ware/software/
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/fqur )

Browser Security Tests (Free Tester)
http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/BrowserSecurity/

Popup Tester (Free Tester)
http://www.popuptest.com/

The Cleaner (~$49.95 and up)
http://www.moosoft.com/


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Old January 19th 06, 08:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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As a rank amateur, I find this fascinating. I would have thought you would
have created a System Restore Point beforehand. For my money, System Restore
is one of the greatest achievements of XP. Surely that would have saved you a
great deal of time.

"Wesley Vogel" wrote:

The only time I ever got any spyware was when I downloaded a FREE DVD
encoder program. Yea, I read the EULA, but I thought that I was smarter
than they were. It took me an afternoon to get rid of everything. What
really made mad was that the DVD encoder program never even worked. ;-)

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
WTC hunted and pecked:
I have 4 as well, the last time they ever caught any positives was when I
installed the programs. Also, I use IE for everything since I believe I
have secured it properly. Also I am sitting behind a NAT router which
protects me by dropping unrequested packets.

--
William Crawford
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
I happen to have four anti-spyware programs.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
D. Spencer Hines hunted and pecked:
Do you honestly expect folks to install at least FIVE different
Anti-Spyware programs, keep them updated, monitor them and constantly
tweak each one as required?

DSH

"Shenan Stanley" wrote in message
...

[...]

There is no one software that cleans and immunizes you against
everything. Antivirus software - you only needed one. Firewall, you
only needed one. AntiSpyware - you will need several. I have a list
and I recommend you use at least the first five.

First - make sure you have NOT installed "Rogue AntiSpyware". There
are
people out there who created AntiSpyware products that actually
install spyware of their own! You need to avoid these:

Rogue/Suspect Anti-Spyware Products & Web Sites
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm

Also, you can always visit this site..
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
For more updated information.

Install the first five of these: (Install, Run, Update, Scan with..)
(If you already have one or more - uninstall them and download the
LATEST version from the page given!)

Lavasoft AdAware (Free and up)
http://www.lavasoft.de/support/download/
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/atdn )

Spybot Search and Destroy (Free!)
http://www.safer-networking.net/en/download/index.html
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/atdk )

Bazooka Adware and Spyware Scanner (Free!)
http://www.kephyr.com/spywarescanner/
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate3 )

SpywareBlaster (Free!)
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/sbdownload.html
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate6 )

IE-SPYAD2 (Free!)
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ehowes/www/resource.htm
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate7 )

CWShredder Stand-Alone (Free!)
http://www.intermute.com/spysubtract..._download.html

Hijack This! (Free!)
http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/downloads.html
(Log Analyzer: http://hjt.iamnotageek.com/ )

ToolbarCop (Free!)
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/toolbarcop.htm

Ccleaner (Free!)
http://www.ccleaner.com/

Microsoft AntiSpyware BETA (in testing stages - Free!)
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...ware/software/
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/fqur )

Browser Security Tests (Free Tester)
http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/BrowserSecurity/

Popup Tester (Free Tester)
http://www.popuptest.com/

The Cleaner (~$49.95 and up)
http://www.moosoft.com/



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Old January 19th 06, 08:44 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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This is the second time in this thread that the word "insurance" has been
used. Insurance is where the many pay relatively small amounts to an
organisation, with the intention that any contributor will be recompensed by
that organisation if he/she suffers loss by reason of the injury covered by
the policy.

That is very different from "protection". I have no definition to offer of
the word "protection" but it suggests, in the present debate, that if you use
a certain program, or a group of programs, you *will* be protected. That is
something in the nature of a warranty or guarantee. Here we are in the realm
of the "snake oil" salesmen who say "Drink this and you will get well!" The
comedian W C Fields, in a number of old comedy films, makes mock of such
salesmen. Perhaps we should use the same attitude to the many who offer
untested help to the world's sufferers.

"Fuzzy Logic" wrote:

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in
:

Fuzzy Logic wrote:

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in
:


If you don't practice safe surfing and/or can't be bothered to
properly configure your browser by all means have some insurance.

Insurance is *always* good, regardless of what you do. Especially in
this case when most of the products are free, hardly affect
performance at all, and are very easy to use.

My only problem is that some of these Spyware programs have poorly
tested detection rules that mess with your registry and may
cripple or make your machine unusable.


True. Some are even worse than that, and are dangerous by design. See
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm You can get poor
quality, and even dangerous-to-use products in almost any software
category. I recommend using only the good ones and not the poor ones.
g Eric Howes site, which I reference above, is a good source of
information on which are good and which aren't.


So insurance isn't *always* good unless it's the *right* insurance.
Unfortunately it's not always easy to know that beforehand.

Here is a brief summary of Eric's conclusion on Spyware detection and
removal:

It is better to use two or more anti-spyware scanners in combination, as one
will often detect and remove things that others do not.

Prevention is always preferable to scanning and removal, and users should
securely configure their PCs and install anti-malware protection to prevent
the installation of spyware and adware in the first place.

Moreover, users should learn to practice safe computing habits, which
include avoiding web sites and programs of unknown or dubious provenance and
carefully reading End User License Agreements and Privacy Policies.

Source http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-test-guide.htm

PS I forgot to mention the Spybot Search & Destroy consistently crashes my
Win98SE box if run as a scheduled task with an autoupdate check. It works
fine if run manually (aside from consumming vast amounts of system
resources).

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Old January 19th 06, 08:56 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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I don't say decades in my case but if you want an integrated package and you
aren't a professional, then Norton Internet Security offers a good deal of
support.

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:

Norton has protected me just fine for decades.

Of course I have additional resources as a backup.

But I've never had to call on them

'Nuff Said.

But See Below...

DSH

"Ron Martell" wrote in message
...

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:

Sounds Sensible.

I use Norton.


That (Norton) is not sensible. Probably the worst possible choice in
terms of performance, stability, reliability, and quality of updates.

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca


"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."

Hmmmmmm...

I've always preferred women.

But for those with "size problems" I can understand why you might prefer
mosquitoes.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas



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Old January 19th 06, 09:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Your remarks have been disturbing me for a couple of days since I first read
them. It must take you several hours a week to run all those programs. I
assume you do not have to work for a living!

Seriously, I think the need for so much protection is unnecessary. At the
other end of the scale, there are those who feel that "God will provide". And
He won't, of course.

I hope you will notify us all when your system, with all its protection,
does crash and burn -- using a friend's computer, of course.

"Shelly F" wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:18:17 -0000, "D. Spencer Hines"
wrote:

Do you honestly expect folks to install at least FIVE different Anti-Spyware
programs, keep them updated, monitor them and constantly tweak each one as
required?

DSH

"Shenan Stanley" wrote in message
...


[...]

There is no one software that cleans and immunizes you against
everything. Antivirus software - you only needed one. Firewall, you
only needed one. AntiSpyware - you will need several. I have a list and
I recommend you use at least the first five.

First - make sure you have NOT installed "Rogue AntiSpyware". There are
people out there who created AntiSpyware products that actually install
spyware of their own! You need to avoid these:

Rogue/Suspect Anti-Spyware Products & Web Sites
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm

Also, you can always visit this site..
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
For more updated information.

Install the first five of these: (Install, Run, Update, Scan with..)
(If you already have one or more - uninstall them and download the
LATEST version from the page given!)

Lavasoft AdAware (Free and up)
http://www.lavasoft.de/support/download/
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/atdn )

Spybot Search and Destroy (Free!)
http://www.safer-networking.net/en/download/index.html
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/atdk )

Bazooka Adware and Spyware Scanner (Free!)
http://www.kephyr.com/spywarescanner/
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate3 )

SpywareBlaster (Free!)
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/sbdownload.html
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate6 )

IE-SPYAD2 (Free!)
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ehowes/www/resource.htm
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate7 )

CWShredder Stand-Alone (Free!)
http://www.intermute.com/spysubtract..._download.html

Hijack This! (Free!)
http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/downloads.html
(Log Analyzer: http://hjt.iamnotageek.com/ )

ToolbarCop (Free!)
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/toolbarcop.htm

Ccleaner (Free!)
http://www.ccleaner.com/

Microsoft AntiSpyware BETA (in testing stages - Free!)
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...ware/software/
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/fqur )

Browser Security Tests (Free Tester)
http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/BrowserSecurity/

Popup Tester (Free Tester)
http://www.popuptest.com/

The Cleaner (~$49.95 and up)
http://www.moosoft.com/

For antispyware, I have SpySweeper running continuously, auto update.
Every two weeks after updating I run: Adaware, Spybot, Spyware
Blaster(update), Microsoft antispy, and safety.live.com.
That makes 6, plus running AVG antivirus with auto updates.
I also backup my computer using Casper each week, and I backup Outlook
Express weekly using ABF and XP is updated monthly.
Safe hex here - Have a nice day!


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Old January 19th 06, 09:15 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Calling someone a troll just because they don't agree with you is like
calling someone a witch. Easy to say, hard to prove. Mr Hines started a
debate here that is deserving of serious consideration. "Ya, boo" tactics do
not diminish a genuine argument, but they may diminish the name caller.

"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
'Nuff Said.


^^
How it must feel to be a troll out of water..



  #67  
Old January 19th 06, 09:19 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Tonyo UK wrote:
I don't say decades in my case but if you want an integrated package
and you aren't a professional, then Norton Internet Security offers a
good deal of support.


ROFL


  #68  
Old January 19th 06, 09:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"=?Utf-8?B?VG9ueW8gVUs=?=" wrote in
:

I don't say decades in my case but if you want an integrated package and
you aren't a professional, then Norton Internet Security offers a good
deal of support.


My experience with Norton products (beyond AV) is that they cause more
problems than they prevent/fix. I personally would not recommend them.

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:

Norton has protected me just fine for decades.

Of course I have additional resources as a backup.

But I've never had to call on them

'Nuff Said.

But See Below...

DSH

"Ron Martell" wrote in message
...

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:

Sounds Sensible.

I use Norton.


That (Norton) is not sensible. Probably the worst possible choice
in terms of performance, stability, reliability, and quality of
updates.

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca


"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."

Hmmmmmm...

I've always preferred women.

But for those with "size problems" I can understand why you might
prefer mosquitoes.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas




  #69  
Old January 19th 06, 10:15 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Bingo!

I've used Norton/Symantec for decades and been well-rewarded with
protection.

As I noted previously, I also have backup artillery ready to fire -- if
required -- but have never had to use it in over 20 years.

DSH
----------------------------------

Tonyo UK wrote:


I don't say decades in my case but if you want an integrated package
and you aren't a professional, then Norton Internet Security offers a
good deal of support.



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Old January 19th 06, 10:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Tonyo UK wrote:
As a rank amateur, I find this fascinating. I would have thought you
would have created a System Restore Point beforehand. For my money,
System Restore is one of the greatest achievements of XP. Surely that
would have saved you a great deal of time.


System restore will not get rid of most malware. At best it will temporarily
stop it from loading at the next boot.

Kerry


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Old January 19th 06, 11:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Do you honestly expect folks to install at least FIVE different
Anti-Spyware programs, keep them updated, monitor them and constantly
tweak each one as required?

DSH


Thank you for the thought provoking question. It has been fun and
enlightening reading the responses. Like many here I make a living working
on computers. I work on a wide range of systems: home, business, networks,
Windows, Linux, Xenix, Novell, and more. I hate spyware. It has made my work
boring and repetitive. I used to see the odd virus once a month or so. I now
spend most of my day removing spyware, viruses, malware etc.. I have removed
malware from all versions of Windows, from well protected machines to
completely, hopelessly open machines. I have had irate customers insist that
their machine couldn't possibly be infected as they use xyz and abc
anti-spyware programs daily and nothing could possibly get in. I have seen
well protected machines infected via the wmf exploit by clicking on a link
from a Google search. It was a hijacked site that was fixed within a day but
it can and does happen. Some of my personal machines have been infected
although rarely and I was pretty sure that they would be infected but I knew
I had a good backup and didn't care. I've since switched to using Linux to
visit anywhere I'm not sure of. I regularly use multiple anti-spyware,
anti-virus, rootkit finders, process explorers and more. There isn't one of
them that will find everything. Even with a very large arsenal I still find
about one or two systems a month that can't be cleaned and need a complete
rebuild.

All that said, for my customers I recommend they install a router, SP2, any
anti-virus (they all work well enough), Adaware, Spybot Search & Destroy and
scan their system weekly with all three. I also tell them about MSAS but
that it is technically a beta so it is up to them to install it themselves
as I can't support it. It does work well. I use it on my main personal
machine. If you want to pay for a program both Spysweeper and Ewido seem
worth the money. Either will find more than Adaware and Spybot combined.

Like others have already said, I never click on tinyurl's, any url in an
email, and am very careful about surfing. I mostly use Firefox.

Did I mention I hate spyware?

Kerry


  #72  
Old January 19th 06, 11:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Tonyo UK wrote:
Calling someone a troll just because they don't agree with you is
like calling someone a witch. Easy to say, hard to prove. Mr Hines
started a debate here that is deserving of serious consideration.
"Ya, boo" tactics do not diminish a genuine argument, but they may
diminish the name caller.


I called him a troll because he is not debating - but debasing.

I do not care that he disagrees with me - that is fine.
Everyone has their opinion - and in most places - their right to express it.
However - it is the *way* someone expresses themselves that defines how I
will respond to them.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


  #73  
Old January 20th 06, 01:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Good Post.

Sound Advice.

We don't work on computers for a living -- and have lives beyond the
Cybernetic.

Shenan fails to understand that simple fact of life.

DSH

"Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message
...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:


Do you honestly expect folks to install at least FIVE different
Anti-Spyware programs, keep them updated, monitor them and constantly
tweak each one as required?

DSH


Thank you for the thought provoking question. It has been fun and
enlightening reading the responses. Like many here I make a living working
on computers. I work on a wide range of systems: home, business, networks,
Windows, Linux, Xenix, Novell, and more. I hate spyware. It has made my
work boring and repetitive. I used to see the odd virus once a month or
so. I now spend most of my day removing spyware, viruses, malware etc.. I
have removed malware from all versions of Windows, from well protected
machines to completely, hopelessly open machines. I have had irate
customers insist that their machine couldn't possibly be infected as they
use xyz and abc anti-spyware programs daily and nothing could possibly get
in. I have seen well protected machines infected via the wmf exploit by
clicking on a link from a Google search. It was a hijacked site that was
fixed within a day but it can and does happen. Some of my personal
machines have been infected although rarely and I was pretty sure that
they would be infected but I knew I had a good backup and didn't care.
I've since switched to using Linux to visit anywhere I'm not sure of. I
regularly use multiple anti-spyware, anti-virus, rootkit finders, process
explorers and more. There isn't one of them that will find everything.
Even with a very large arsenal I still find about one or two systems a
month that can't be cleaned and need a complete rebuild.

All that said, for my customers I recommend they install a router, SP2,
any anti-virus (they all work well enough), Adaware, Spybot Search &
Destroy and scan their system weekly with all three. I also tell them
about MSAS but that it is technically a beta so it is up to them to
install it themselves as I can't support it. It does work well. I use it
on my main personal machine. If you want to pay for a program both
Spysweeper and Ewido seem worth the money. Either will find more than
Adaware and Spybot combined.

Like others have already said, I never click on tinyurl's, any url in an
email, and am very careful about surfing. I mostly use Firefox.

Did I mention I hate spyware?

Kerry



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Old January 20th 06, 01:24 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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I have thoroughly enjoyed your patronizing posts over the past few days. If
you have a life beyond the "Cybernetic", you must be taking a hiatus.

TPW
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Good Post.

Sound Advice.

We don't work on computers for a living -- and have lives beyond the
Cybernetic.

Shenan fails to understand that simple fact of life.

DSH

"Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message
...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:


Do you honestly expect folks to install at least FIVE different
Anti-Spyware programs, keep them updated, monitor them and constantly
tweak each one as required?

DSH


Thank you for the thought provoking question. It has been fun and
enlightening reading the responses. Like many here I make a living
working
on computers. I work on a wide range of systems: home, business,
networks,
Windows, Linux, Xenix, Novell, and more. I hate spyware. It has made my
work boring and repetitive. I used to see the odd virus once a month or
so. I now spend most of my day removing spyware, viruses, malware etc.. I
have removed malware from all versions of Windows, from well protected
machines to completely, hopelessly open machines. I have had irate
customers insist that their machine couldn't possibly be infected as they
use xyz and abc anti-spyware programs daily and nothing could possibly
get
in. I have seen well protected machines infected via the wmf exploit by
clicking on a link from a Google search. It was a hijacked site that was
fixed within a day but it can and does happen. Some of my personal
machines have been infected although rarely and I was pretty sure that
they would be infected but I knew I had a good backup and didn't care.
I've since switched to using Linux to visit anywhere I'm not sure of. I
regularly use multiple anti-spyware, anti-virus, rootkit finders, process
explorers and more. There isn't one of them that will find everything.
Even with a very large arsenal I still find about one or two systems a
month that can't be cleaned and need a complete rebuild.

All that said, for my customers I recommend they install a router, SP2,
any anti-virus (they all work well enough), Adaware, Spybot Search &
Destroy and scan their system weekly with all three. I also tell them
about MSAS but that it is technically a beta so it is up to them to
install it themselves as I can't support it. It does work well. I use it
on my main personal machine. If you want to pay for a program both
Spysweeper and Ewido seem worth the money. Either will find more than
Adaware and Spybot combined.

Like others have already said, I never click on tinyurl's, any url in an
email, and am very careful about surfing. I mostly use Firefox.

Did I mention I hate spyware?

Kerry





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Default At Least FIVE Anti-Spyware Programs

I don't use System Restore. I use ERUNT. And I would've spent half the
time that I spent getting rid of the scumware adjusting settings, etc.
anyway.

No kind of a restore or backup is going to return things exactly as they
were unless you set a Restore Point or make a registry backup *right* before
you do something stupid. ;-)

Installing & Using ERUNT
http://www.silentrunners.org/sr_eruntuse.html

To see an illustrated registry restore procedure
http://www.silentrunners.org/sr_erdntuse.html

Take a complete registry backup using ERUNT
http://www.winxptutor.com/regback.htm

NTREGOPT NT Registry Optimizer
ERUNT The Emergency Recovery Utility NT
http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/

Direct download links (the zip files just need unzipping and dropping on the
drive. {Thank you, Jim}
http://aumha.org/downloads/erunt.zip

http://aumha.org/downloads/ntregopt.zip

ERUNT [[Note: The "Export registry" function in Regedit is USELESS (!) to
make a complete backup of the registry. Neither does it export the whole
registry (for example, no information from the "SECURITY" hive is
saved), nor can the exported file be used later to replace the current
registry with the old one. Instead, if you re-import the file, it is
merged with the current registry, leaving you with an absolute mess of
old and new registry keys.]]
http://home.t-online.de/home/lars.he...runt/erunt.txt

NTREGOPT [[Similar to Windows 9x/Me, the registry files in an NT-based
system can become fragmented over time, occupying more space on your hard
disk than necessary and decreasing overall performance. You should
use the NTREGOPT utility regularly, but especially after installing
or uninstalling a program, to minimize the size of the registry files
and optimize registry access.

The program works by recreating each registry hive "from scratch",
thus removing any slack space that may be left from previously
modified or deleted keys.

Note that the program does NOT change the contents of the registry in
any way, nor does it physically defrag the registry files on the drive
(as the PageDefrag program from SysInternals does). The optimization
done by NTREGOPT is simply compacting the registry hives to the
minimum size possible.]]
http://home.t-online.de/home/lars.he...t/ntregopt.txt

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Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Tonyo UK hunted and pecked:
As a rank amateur, I find this fascinating. I would have thought you would
have created a System Restore Point beforehand. For my money, System
Restore is one of the greatest achievements of XP. Surely that would have
saved you a great deal of time.

"Wesley Vogel" wrote:

The only time I ever got any spyware was when I downloaded a FREE DVD
encoder program. Yea, I read the EULA, but I thought that I was smarter
than they were. It took me an afternoon to get rid of everything. What
really made mad was that the DVD encoder program never even worked. ;-)

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MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
WTC hunted and pecked:
I have 4 as well, the last time they ever caught any positives was when
I installed the programs. Also, I use IE for everything since I believe
I have secured it properly. Also I am sitting behind a NAT router which
protects me by dropping unrequested packets.

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MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
I happen to have four anti-spyware programs.

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Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
D. Spencer Hines hunted and pecked:
Do you honestly expect folks to install at least FIVE different
Anti-Spyware programs, keep them updated, monitor them and constantly
tweak each one as required?

DSH

"Shenan Stanley" wrote in message
...

[...]

There is no one software that cleans and immunizes you against
everything. Antivirus software - you only needed one. Firewall,
you only needed one. AntiSpyware - you will need several. I have
a list and I recommend you use at least the first five.

First - make sure you have NOT installed "Rogue AntiSpyware". There
are
people out there who created AntiSpyware products that actually
install spyware of their own! You need to avoid these:

Rogue/Suspect Anti-Spyware Products & Web Sites
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm

Also, you can always visit this site..
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
For more updated information.

Install the first five of these: (Install, Run, Update, Scan with..)
(If you already have one or more - uninstall them and download the
LATEST version from the page given!)

Lavasoft AdAware (Free and up)
http://www.lavasoft.de/support/download/
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/atdn )

Spybot Search and Destroy (Free!)
http://www.safer-networking.net/en/download/index.html
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/atdk )

Bazooka Adware and Spyware Scanner (Free!)
http://www.kephyr.com/spywarescanner/
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate3 )

SpywareBlaster (Free!)
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/sbdownload.html
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate6 )

IE-SPYAD2 (Free!)
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ehowes/www/resource.htm
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate7 )

CWShredder Stand-Alone (Free!)
http://www.intermute.com/spysubtract..._download.html

Hijack This! (Free!)
http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/downloads.html
(Log Analyzer: http://hjt.iamnotageek.com/ )

ToolbarCop (Free!)
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/toolbarcop.htm

Ccleaner (Free!)
http://www.ccleaner.com/

Microsoft AntiSpyware BETA (in testing stages - Free!)
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...ware/software/
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/fqur )

Browser Security Tests (Free Tester)
http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/BrowserSecurity/

Popup Tester (Free Tester)
http://www.popuptest.com/

The Cleaner (~$49.95 and up)
http://www.moosoft.com/


 




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