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  #1  
Old March 8th 07, 10:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
D. Spencer Hines
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Default XP Pro SP2, Vista & Vienna -- A Useful Progression?

Microsoft Vienna may well be worth the wait, if it is indeed as radical a
redesign as this indicates:
--------------------------------------------------

Windows Vienna - opening a new generation of operating systems

September 7, 2006

In the past 20 years, the Microsoft Windows operating system has accumulated
old code libraries that brought it to the size it has today, 2.5 GB and
about 50 million lines of code (Windows Vista).

These old code libraries consume resources and are often the targets of
security exploits.

The best way to avoid such problems, is to start from scratch, which is
close to what Microsoft plans to do with Windows Vienna.

Windows Vienna will represent the start of a different generation of
operating systems, bringing in new concepts and support for new types of
hardware, along with a better security and a modular approach, which will
allow future versions of Windows to be built more easily on Windows Vienna's
engine.

It is also likely that the future success of Microsoft's products will be
strongly decided by the success of the new generation operating system.

http://www.windowsvienna.com/
------------------------------------------------------

STARTING FROM SCRATCH...

Sounds Quite Sensible...

Waiting for Vienna, if one can, sounds increasingly attractive.

XP Pro SP2 is a sweet OS.

Vista may turn out to be as transient and inconsequential as Millennium --
IF we can have Vienna in 2009.

--------------------------------------------------

New, But Associated Subject:

I agree with Jerry, "HEMI-Powered" [what's your moniker mean, Jerry?], that
I will NEVER leave any of my machines alone at night -- or any other time --
to do a DEFRAG or a DISK IMAGE or a WINDOWS or AV UPDATE -- all by ITSELF.

So, this silly-buggers business of "scheduling a weekly backup/download at
3AM" is absurd.

I also will never allow the cursed AUTOMATIC UPDATES on any of my
machines -- even for my Anti-Virus/Anti-Spyware programs and Windows
Update -- which would love to put IE7 on all my machines if I let it --
because MS insists IE7 is a "CRITICAL UPDATE".

Baloney et Twaddle!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas


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  #2  
Old March 8th 07, 11:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
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Default XP Pro SP2, Vista & Vienna -- A Useful Progression?

Most companies that start again from scratch go broke.

Perhaps Microsoft will build new technologies into Vienna like they built
virtualisation and search into Vista - hold on, they were in 2000 and XP
too.

So look at features you already have then get ready to upgrade so you will
use them. Because the evidence is if MS doesn't say it's a feature noone
will use it.

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Microsoft Vienna may well be worth the wait, if it is indeed as radical a
redesign as this indicates:
--------------------------------------------------

Windows Vienna - opening a new generation of operating systems

September 7, 2006

In the past 20 years, the Microsoft Windows operating system has
accumulated
old code libraries that brought it to the size it has today, 2.5 GB and
about 50 million lines of code (Windows Vista).

These old code libraries consume resources and are often the targets of
security exploits.

The best way to avoid such problems, is to start from scratch, which is
close to what Microsoft plans to do with Windows Vienna.

Windows Vienna will represent the start of a different generation of
operating systems, bringing in new concepts and support for new types of
hardware, along with a better security and a modular approach, which will
allow future versions of Windows to be built more easily on Windows
Vienna's
engine.

It is also likely that the future success of Microsoft's products will be
strongly decided by the success of the new generation operating system.

http://www.windowsvienna.com/
------------------------------------------------------

STARTING FROM SCRATCH...

Sounds Quite Sensible...

Waiting for Vienna, if one can, sounds increasingly attractive.

XP Pro SP2 is a sweet OS.

Vista may turn out to be as transient and inconsequential as Millennium --
IF we can have Vienna in 2009.

--------------------------------------------------

New, But Associated Subject:

I agree with Jerry, "HEMI-Powered" [what's your moniker mean, Jerry?],
that
I will NEVER leave any of my machines alone at night -- or any other
time --
to do a DEFRAG or a DISK IMAGE or a WINDOWS or AV UPDATE -- all by ITSELF.

So, this silly-buggers business of "scheduling a weekly backup/download at
3AM" is absurd.

I also will never allow the cursed AUTOMATIC UPDATES on any of my
machines -- even for my Anti-Virus/Anti-Spyware programs and Windows
Update -- which would love to put IE7 on all my machines if I let it --
because MS insists IE7 is a "CRITICAL UPDATE".

Baloney et Twaddle!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas


  #3  
Old March 8th 07, 11:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
Richard
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Default XP Pro SP2, Vista & Vienna -- A Useful Progression?


You have a valid point. Why on earth would you want to schedule a defrag &
backup overnight when you can sit there & watch it in real-time.
I'm so glad I read your post, I'll cancel all my maintenace schedules so I
can watch it myself.
Won't need to renew my cable subscription now i'll be too busy watching
defrag to bother with 24.


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
New, But Associated Subject:

I agree with Jerry, "HEMI-Powered" [what's your moniker mean, Jerry?],
that
I will NEVER leave any of my machines alone at night -- or any other
time --
to do a DEFRAG or a DISK IMAGE or a WINDOWS or AV UPDATE -- all by ITSELF.

So, this silly-buggers business of "scheduling a weekly backup/download at
3AM" is absurd.

I also will never allow the cursed AUTOMATIC UPDATES on any of my
machines -- even for my Anti-Virus/Anti-Spyware programs and Windows
Update -- which would love to put IE7 on all my machines if I let it --
because MS insists IE7 is a "CRITICAL UPDATE".

Baloney et Twaddle!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas


  #4  
Old March 9th 07, 12:02 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
Zim Babwe
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Posts: 5
Default XP Pro SP2, Vista & Vienna -- A Useful Progression?

Who gives a Rats ass about the next Microsoft disaster when the current
disaster is still new.

Maybe we should call FEMA in to help with the victims


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Microsoft Vienna may well be worth the wait, if it is indeed as radical a
redesign as this indicates:
--------------------------------------------------

Windows Vienna - opening a new generation of operating systems

September 7, 2006

In the past 20 years, the Microsoft Windows operating system has
accumulated
old code libraries that brought it to the size it has today, 2.5 GB and
about 50 million lines of code (Windows Vista).

These old code libraries consume resources and are often the targets of
security exploits.

The best way to avoid such problems, is to start from scratch, which is
close to what Microsoft plans to do with Windows Vienna.

Windows Vienna will represent the start of a different generation of
operating systems, bringing in new concepts and support for new types of
hardware, along with a better security and a modular approach, which will
allow future versions of Windows to be built more easily on Windows
Vienna's
engine.

It is also likely that the future success of Microsoft's products will be
strongly decided by the success of the new generation operating system.

http://www.windowsvienna.com/
------------------------------------------------------

STARTING FROM SCRATCH...

Sounds Quite Sensible...

Waiting for Vienna, if one can, sounds increasingly attractive.

XP Pro SP2 is a sweet OS.

Vista may turn out to be as transient and inconsequential as Millennium --
IF we can have Vienna in 2009.

--------------------------------------------------

New, But Associated Subject:

I agree with Jerry, "HEMI-Powered" [what's your moniker mean, Jerry?],
that
I will NEVER leave any of my machines alone at night -- or any other
time --
to do a DEFRAG or a DISK IMAGE or a WINDOWS or AV UPDATE -- all by ITSELF.

So, this silly-buggers business of "scheduling a weekly backup/download at
3AM" is absurd.

I also will never allow the cursed AUTOMATIC UPDATES on any of my
machines -- even for my Anti-Virus/Anti-Spyware programs and Windows
Update -- which would love to put IE7 on all my machines if I let it --
because MS insists IE7 is a "CRITICAL UPDATE".

Baloney et Twaddle!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas



  #5  
Old March 9th 07, 12:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
HEMI-Powered
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Default XP Pro SP2, Vista & Vienna -- A Useful Progression?

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

Spence, I do have to politely ask you to soften a bit, this IS an
XP NG, not a speculative blog for MS future products. If I had
waited for simple 4-function calculators to be what I wanted, I
would still be waiting, the same as I would still be waiting for
my first car to be all that I want it to be and none of the
things I want it not to be.

Microsoft Vienna may well be worth the wait, if it is indeed
as radical a redesign as this indicates:
--------------------------------------------------

Windows Vienna - opening a new generation of operating systems

September 7, 2006

In the past 20 years, the Microsoft Windows operating system
has accumulated old code libraries that brought it to the size
it has today, 2.5 GB and about 50 million lines of code
(Windows Vista).

These old code libraries consume resources and are often the
targets of security exploits.

The best way to avoid such problems, is to start from scratch,
which is close to what Microsoft plans to do with Windows
Vienna.

Windows Vienna will represent the start of a different
generation of operating systems, bringing in new concepts and
support for new types of hardware, along with a better
security and a modular approach, which will allow future
versions of Windows to be built more easily on Windows
Vienna's engine.

It is also likely that the future success of Microsoft's
products will be strongly decided by the success of the new
generation operating system.

http://www.windowsvienna.com/
------------------------------------------------------

STARTING FROM SCRATCH...

Sounds Quite Sensible...

Waiting for Vienna, if one can, sounds increasingly
attractive.

XP Pro SP2 is a sweet OS.

Vista may turn out to be as transient and inconsequential as
Millennium -- IF we can have Vienna in 2009.

--------------------------------------------------

New, But Associated Subject:

I agree with Jerry, "HEMI-Powered" [what's your moniker mean,
Jerry?], that I will NEVER leave any of my machines alone at
night -- or any other time -- to do a DEFRAG or a DISK IMAGE
or a WINDOWS or AV UPDATE -- all by ITSELF.


I used to be All Things Mopar but changed last summer. It simply
means I have a 2006 Dodge Charger R/T with the 5.7L HEMI in it,
and have always loved the Chrysler hemispherical engines all the
way back to the 1951 FirePower. No sinnister stuff, I promise!

So, this silly-buggers business of "scheduling a weekly
backup/download at 3AM" is absurd.

I also will never allow the cursed AUTOMATIC UPDATES on any of
my machines -- even for my Anti-Virus/Anti-Spyware programs
and Windows Update -- which would love to put IE7 on all my
machines if I let it -- because MS insists IE7 is a "CRITICAL
UPDATE".

Baloney et Twaddle!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas






--
HP, aka Jerry
  #6  
Old March 9th 07, 12:52 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
Justin
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Posts: 233
Default XP Pro SP2, Vista & Vienna -- A Useful Progression?

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...
I used to be All Things Mopar but changed last summer. It simply
means I have a 2006 Dodge Charger R/T with the 5.7L HEMI in it,
and have always loved the Chrysler hemispherical engines all the
way back to the 1951 FirePower. No sinnister stuff, I promise!


What!?!?! You didn't buy Charger Ultimate? I mean...the Charger SRT8?

  #7  
Old March 9th 07, 12:53 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
Justin
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Posts: 233
Default XP Pro SP2, Vista & Vienna -- A Useful Progression?

Hum...it took MS 5+ years to chisel out a new wheel. What's going to happen
when they try to make a whole new wheel?


. wrote in message ...
Most companies that start again from scratch go broke.

Perhaps Microsoft will build new technologies into Vienna like they built
virtualisation and search into Vista - hold on, they were in 2000 and XP
too.

So look at features you already have then get ready to upgrade so you will
use them. Because the evidence is if MS doesn't say it's a feature noone
will use it.

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Microsoft Vienna may well be worth the wait, if it is indeed as radical a
redesign as this indicates:
--------------------------------------------------

Windows Vienna - opening a new generation of operating systems

September 7, 2006

In the past 20 years, the Microsoft Windows operating system has
accumulated
old code libraries that brought it to the size it has today, 2.5 GB and
about 50 million lines of code (Windows Vista).

These old code libraries consume resources and are often the targets of
security exploits.

The best way to avoid such problems, is to start from scratch, which is
close to what Microsoft plans to do with Windows Vienna.

Windows Vienna will represent the start of a different generation of
operating systems, bringing in new concepts and support for new types of
hardware, along with a better security and a modular approach, which will
allow future versions of Windows to be built more easily on Windows
Vienna's
engine.

It is also likely that the future success of Microsoft's products will be
strongly decided by the success of the new generation operating system.

http://www.windowsvienna.com/
------------------------------------------------------

STARTING FROM SCRATCH...

Sounds Quite Sensible...

Waiting for Vienna, if one can, sounds increasingly attractive.

XP Pro SP2 is a sweet OS.

Vista may turn out to be as transient and inconsequential as
Millennium -- IF we can have Vienna in 2009.

--------------------------------------------------

New, But Associated Subject:

I agree with Jerry, "HEMI-Powered" [what's your moniker mean, Jerry?],
that
I will NEVER leave any of my machines alone at night -- or any other
time --
to do a DEFRAG or a DISK IMAGE or a WINDOWS or AV UPDATE -- all by
ITSELF.

So, this silly-buggers business of "scheduling a weekly backup/download
at
3AM" is absurd.

I also will never allow the cursed AUTOMATIC UPDATES on any of my
machines -- even for my Anti-Virus/Anti-Spyware programs and Windows
Update -- which would love to put IE7 on all my machines if I let it --
because MS insists IE7 is a "CRITICAL UPDATE".

Baloney et Twaddle!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas


  #8  
Old March 9th 07, 02:54 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
D. Spencer Hines
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Posts: 540
Default XP Pro SP2, Vista & Vienna -- A Useful Progression?

Defrag and Backup on the machine I'm currently using take all of 30 minutes.

I initiate, control and monitor those processes.

I certainly don't sit there and watch the screen all the time.

DSH


  #9  
Old March 9th 07, 07:13 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
Lang Murphy
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Posts: 50
Default XP Pro SP2, Vista & Vienna -- A Useful Progression?

Why would he not want to schedule a defrag and backup overnight? Easy... Can
you say "paranoid malcontent?"

Lang

"Richard" wrote in message
...

You have a valid point. Why on earth would you want to schedule a defrag
& backup overnight when you can sit there & watch it in real-time.
I'm so glad I read your post, I'll cancel all my maintenace schedules so I
can watch it myself.
Won't need to renew my cable subscription now i'll be too busy watching
defrag to bother with 24.


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
New, But Associated Subject:

I agree with Jerry, "HEMI-Powered" [what's your moniker mean, Jerry?],
that
I will NEVER leave any of my machines alone at night -- or any other
time --
to do a DEFRAG or a DISK IMAGE or a WINDOWS or AV UPDATE -- all by
ITSELF.

So, this silly-buggers business of "scheduling a weekly backup/download
at
3AM" is absurd.

I also will never allow the cursed AUTOMATIC UPDATES on any of my
machines -- even for my Anti-Virus/Anti-Spyware programs and Windows
Update -- which would love to put IE7 on all my machines if I let it --
because MS insists IE7 is a "CRITICAL UPDATE".

Baloney et Twaddle!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas



  #10  
Old March 9th 07, 10:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
Richard
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Posts: 3
Default XP Pro SP2, Vista & Vienna -- A Useful Progression?

How do you monitor it if you don't watch the screen :-)
Being paranoid enough to not schedule unattended maintenance is ridiculous.
BTW it helps if you quote text you are replying to.

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Defrag and Backup on the machine I'm currently using take all of 30
minutes.

I initiate, control and monitor those processes.

I certainly don't sit there and watch the screen all the time.


You have a valid point. Why on earth would you want to schedule a defrag
& backup overnight when you can sit there & watch it in real-time.
I'm so glad I read your post, I'll cancel all my maintenace schedules so
I can watch it myself.
Won't need to renew my cable subscription now i'll be too busy watching
defrag to bother with 24


  #11  
Old March 9th 07, 10:58 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
Richard
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Posts: 3
Default XP Pro SP2, Vista & Vienna -- A Useful Progression?

Definately!


"Lang Murphy" wrote in message
...
Why would he not want to schedule a defrag and backup overnight? Easy...
Can you say "paranoid malcontent?"

Lang

"Richard" wrote in message
...

You have a valid point. Why on earth would you want to schedule a defrag
& backup overnight when you can sit there & watch it in real-time.
I'm so glad I read your post, I'll cancel all my maintenace schedules so
I can watch it myself.
Won't need to renew my cable subscription now i'll be too busy watching
defrag to bother with 24.


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
New, But Associated Subject:

I agree with Jerry, "HEMI-Powered" [what's your moniker mean, Jerry?],
that
I will NEVER leave any of my machines alone at night -- or any other
time --
to do a DEFRAG or a DISK IMAGE or a WINDOWS or AV UPDATE -- all by
ITSELF.

So, this silly-buggers business of "scheduling a weekly backup/download
at
3AM" is absurd.

I also will never allow the cursed AUTOMATIC UPDATES on any of my
machines -- even for my Anti-Virus/Anti-Spyware programs and Windows
Update -- which would love to put IE7 on all my machines if I let it --
because MS insists IE7 is a "CRITICAL UPDATE".

Baloney et Twaddle!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas




  #12  
Old March 9th 07, 12:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
HEMI-Powered
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Default XP Pro SP2, Vista & Vienna -- A Useful Progression?

Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...
I used to be All Things Mopar but changed last summer. It
simply means I have a 2006 Dodge Charger R/T with the 5.7L
HEMI in it, and have always loved the Chrysler hemispherical
engines all the way back to the 1951 FirePower. No sinnister
stuff, I promise!


What!?!?! You didn't buy Charger Ultimate? I mean...the
Charger SRT8?


I leased my car in August, 2005, the SRT8 hadn't come out yet. At
the time, as most of the time, Chrysler won't give employee
discounts on any SRT vehicle, which makes the premium over $14K
from my car. First, SRT8's just plain cost more, then, they are
all pre-configured - read: loaded - then, there's the lack of a
discount. Right this minute, all the SRT cars except Viper can be
bought or leased with my discount. Chrysler Financial is bugging
me to turn my car in early and is offering 3 payment waivers, but
that only gets me to June, which'd be a $1300 ding, so I'm still
thinking about it.

Now, as to the car with an engine tested to the same SAE spec as
the 1966 Street Hemi and dyno'd at 467 bph, I am still mulling it
over for a replacement car. I may go back on the Chrysler company
car program, but they keep dinking around with what I can order,
which is why I left and went to a dealer 2 years ago. I would
LOVE a second mid-life crisis car - my first was a 1993 Dodge
Stealth R/T AWD 30.0 Twin-Turbo - but I have to wonder if $160/hp
is worth it.

Then, too, I need to "time" my next lease to allow for the 2009
Challenger, due to launch in the summer of 2008. Chrysler NEVER
lets its lessees get first-year cars, so that is hopeless. If I
stay at the dealer, though, I wouldn't be able to pop for a
Challenger R/T or SRT8 or the rumored 500hp version, so ...

decisions, decisions, decisions!

--
HP, aka Jerry
  #13  
Old March 9th 07, 12:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
HEMI-Powered
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Posts: 291
Default XP Pro SP2, Vista & Vienna -- A Useful Progression?

Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...

Hum...it took MS 5+ years to chisel out a new wheel. What's
going to happen when they try to make a whole new wheel?


I've done software and I know the car biz pretty well. Both are
similar in this way: future "models" are ALWAYS under development
in a staggered schedule depending on the make and model being
updated or completely redone, meaning MS has many products, not
just Windows, and it must keep its own product offerings in synch
with anything that might partially or completely obsolete them. I
would expect that the business decisions can get pretty dicey. But,
back to the car biz, the trend is to stop completely redoing an
entire vehicle line with all-new everything including drrive-train
every 4-5 years because it is so expensive and quality suffers on
every all-new launch - that's true for ALL car makers, BTW. So,
most of the world's car makers are angling for what are being
called decade platforms, meaning the basic stuff that is so
expensive will be somewhat static and the cosmetics will change,
along with feature and drivetrain upgrades as needed. I would
speculate that MS is thinking along similar lines for its software.
But, eventually, anyone making anything soft, firm, or hard HAS to
start from a clean sheet of paper ...

[snip]
--
HP, aka Jerry
  #14  
Old March 9th 07, 12:34 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
HEMI-Powered
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Posts: 291
Default XP Pro SP2, Vista & Vienna -- A Useful Progression?

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

Defrag and Backup on the machine I'm currently using take all
of 30 minutes.

I initiate, control and monitor those processes.

I certainly don't sit there and watch the screen all the time.

I only defrag C:\, about every 4-6 weeks. It takes hours, I don't
watch the grass grow, I do other things or watch TV. It ain't a
biggie, I never see a performance bump, so I think it is both
pointless and dangerous to schedule them often, especially
unattended, but that's me, YMMV.

--
HP, aka Jerry
  #15  
Old March 9th 07, 12:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize
HEMI-Powered
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Default XP Pro SP2, Vista & Vienna -- A Useful Progression?

Today, Lang Murphy made these interesting comments ...

Why would he not want to schedule a defrag and backup
overnight? Easy... Can you say "paranoid malcontent?"

I'll reply just for myself: I do not schedule ANYTHING at night,
even though I have an APC UPS for battery backup. The battery is
only good for about 20 mintutes, then it will attempt to shut the
PC down gently. In my city, we have several, sometimes many, very
short hits during the day or at night. Some are very short duration
brownouts and the others are very short duration blackouts. Usually
the power is off only 100-200 ms, just enough to blink the lights
and make the APC boxes on my 2 PC beep a warning. But,
occasionally, we will get 5, 10, 20, minute total blackouts and
very occasionally 1,2 6 hour jobs. I partially lost a partition
doing a defrag during one of the longer ones before I had UPS and
lost my entire C:\ partition from a mutli-hour blackout that it was
very difficult to even get the XP install CD to FDISK and format
the drive.

The catastrophic failure was actually due to Partition Magic 8.0
being about 30-40 minutes into what should have been a 2-3 hour
change when the power went out. You can imagine what happened. I
learned two valuable lessons from that: never run PM on a drive
without an image backup and don't run the PC anymore without UPS.

Now as to monitoring or not. One builds judgement not only from
doing things right, but from learning from things done wrong. In
fact, GOOD judgement cannot be formed without making some mistakes,
but learning from them. So, those of us who are paranoid to a
lessor or greater degree have had their fingers burned in the past
and didn't like it. To them who've been successful, I congratulate
you, and to each his/her own! grin

--
HP, aka Jerry
 




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