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  #46  
Old September 7th 13, 06:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Ron" wrote in message

On 9/7/2013 12:02 PM, dadiOH wrote:

If you want POP3, Windows LIVE Mail affords that
opportunity IIRC but you have to have a "Microsoft
account". I have lived 80+ years without a Microsoft
account and I don't want one now, not even to enable me
to buy "apps" from their store.


You don't have to have any account. It is part of Windows
Essentials.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...ive/essentials


Downloading it and using it are two different things.

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  #47  
Old September 7th 13, 07:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 9/7/2013 1:51 PM, dadiOH wrote:
"Ron" wrote in message

On 9/7/2013 12:02 PM, dadiOH wrote:

If you want POP3, Windows LIVE Mail affords that
opportunity IIRC but you have to have a "Microsoft
account". I have lived 80+ years without a Microsoft
account and I don't want one now, not even to enable me
to buy "apps" from their store.


You don't have to have any account. It is part of Windows
Essentials.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...ive/essentials


Downloading it and using it are two different things.


I've been using WLM since 2009 when W7 came out and I never *had* to
have a MS account, but if you choose to do so it will save your contacts
in case you ever have to reformat your computer. It saved me a LOT of
time a while back. I also installed WLM 2009 on a laptop running Win XP
because it's better than OE.
  #48  
Old September 7th 13, 07:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 19:07:11 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

I did - see
Message-ID:


Saw that message after I posted mine. :-)


Too bad I can't say I've never done that - I'd love to have a chance to
say "Nyah, nyah" to you :-)

I guess I posted the link above just to maintain my reputation -
although maybe that's exactly what I *don't* want to do!

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  #49  
Old September 7th 13, 07:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 03:02:46 -0400, ...winston wrote:

Using the 'news:' prefix in front of the Message ID is the route I
learned long ago (never used it much but when necessary it has always
proved to be the most productive).

What's stumping me is why it works in 4oTude and MesNews (for you), WLM
(for me) but not in SeaMonkey (for me).


This sub thread has gotten too detailed & complicated for me to reply in
a reasonable fashion to all of it, so I'll just remark on one thing :-)

I don't have any actual *knowledge* of these protocols. The "news:"
prefix is analogous obviously to the "http://" and other protocol
prefixes, but it might work better if you highlighted the MID part alone
or pasted it (without the prefix) somewhere. For instance, my reader has
a place to paste a link in its menus, under Edit - Find a Message-ID,
although just clicking on your links in both formats works fine in the
original message display, but not in the follow-up editing pane.

It's a can of worms, and not all that appetizing, I'd say :-)

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  #50  
Old September 7th 13, 08:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"dadiOH" wrote in message ...

Not so. What is included is Windows Mail, a different thing. And a less
than good thing, IMO; You can set it up to retrieve mail from Google,
Hotmail and other such webby things but if you want POP3, forget it. IOW,
it is useless...if I wanted mail from Google, Hotmail and other such webby
things I'd just go there and get it.

If you want POP3, Windows LIVE Mail affords that opportunity IIRC but you
have to have a "Microsoft account". I have lived 80+ years without a
Microsoft account and I don't want one now, not even to enable me to buy
"apps" from their store.


A Microsoft Account in Windows Live Mail and other programs in the Windows
Essentials 2012 suite of programs is optionable (thus you can live a few
more years without a MSFT account if using WLM).


Two modes of operation are available
1. No connection to Microsoft cloud services (everything done locally, all
data stored locally)
2. Connection to MSFT cloud services with (everything done locally with all
data stored both locally and online in the MSFT Account)

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  #51  
Old September 8th 13, 02:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 12:02:03 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

"Ken Springer" wrote in message


I've not looked at Win8 enough yet, but my impression was
that the mail feature supplied with Win8 was WLM. Not so?


Not so. What is included is Windows Mail, a different thing. And a less
than good thing, IMO; You can set it up to retrieve mail from Google,
Hotmail and other such webby things but if you want POP3, forget it. IOW,
it is useless...if I wanted mail from Google, Hotmail and other such webby
things I'd just go there and get it.

If you want POP3, Windows LIVE Mail affords that opportunity IIRC but you
have to have a "Microsoft account". I have lived 80+ years without a
Microsoft account and I don't want one now, not even to enable me to buy
"apps" from their store.



Wow! Another "old guy" here. I thought I was the oldest at nearly
79. Buy I'm apparently having much more trouble than anyone else
trying to learn Win 8. In fact, I'm about to bail -- and install an
older OS.
  #53  
Old September 8th 13, 04:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 08:50:20 -0500, wrote:

Buy I'm apparently having much more trouble than anyone else
trying to learn Win 8. In fact, I'm about to bail -- and install an
older OS.




I may have said this to you before, but just in case I didn't:

Let me point out something that you perhaps don't realize: Windows 8
has two interfaces; the Modern/Metro Interface (which may be all
you've looked at) and the traditional Desktop Interface.

That traditional Desktop Interface is almost identical to Windows 7's
interface; the biggest difference is that there is no Start Orb to
click to bring up the Start menu. But note that you can get the Start
Orb back by using one of several third-party programs, either free or
very inexpensive (Classic Shell at
http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/ and Start8 at
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/; my personal preference is
Start8, but they are both very good).

And going from one interface to the other is very easy; there are
several ways, but simply pressing the Windows key is perhaps the
easiest. Simply installing one of those two and using the traditional
desktop interface may be a better choice for you than going to
Windows 7 or earlier.

I use Windows 8, almost exclusively with the traditional desktop
interface, and with Start 8 installed. If you were to look at and use
my computer, you would have a hard time realizing that it's not
Windows 7.


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Old September 8th 13, 04:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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wrote in message

On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 12:02:03 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

"Ken Springer" wrote in
message

I've not looked at Win8 enough yet, but my impression
was that the mail feature supplied with Win8 was WLM.
Not so?


Not so. What is included is Windows Mail, a different
thing. And a less than good thing, IMO; You can set it
up to retrieve mail from Google, Hotmail and other such
webby things but if you want POP3, forget it. IOW, it
is useless...if I wanted mail from Google, Hotmail and
other such webby things I'd just go there and get it.

If you want POP3, Windows LIVE Mail affords that
opportunity IIRC but you have to have a "Microsoft
account". I have lived 80+ years without a Microsoft
account and I don't want one now, not even to enable me
to buy "apps" from their store.



Wow! Another "old guy" here. I thought I was the oldest
at nearly
79. Buy I'm apparently having much more trouble than
anyone else trying to learn Win 8. In fact, I'm about to
bail -- and install an older OS.


There really isn't anything to learn. With Classic Shell, my Win 8 laptop
looks and functions almost exactly like my desktop which has XP SP3.

Once in a long while, I wander into Metro screen land, mostly for the very
decent map and weather link. Nothing to learn ther either except how to
close the app; there are various ways, none all that obvious but Alt + F4


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  #55  
Old September 8th 13, 05:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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wrote in message

On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 12:02:03 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

"Ken Springer" wrote in
message

I've not looked at Win8 enough yet, but my impression
was that the mail feature supplied with Win8 was WLM.
Not so?


Not so. What is included is Windows Mail, a different
thing. And a less than good thing, IMO; You can set it
up to retrieve mail from Google, Hotmail and other such
webby things but if you want POP3, forget it. IOW, it
is useless...if I wanted mail from Google, Hotmail and
other such webby things I'd just go there and get it.

If you want POP3, Windows LIVE Mail affords that
opportunity IIRC but you have to have a "Microsoft
account". I have lived 80+ years without a Microsoft
account and I don't want one now, not even to enable me
to buy "apps" from their store.



Wow! Another "old guy" here. I thought I was the oldest
at nearly
79. Buy I'm apparently having much more trouble than
anyone else trying to learn Win 8. In fact, I'm about to
bail -- and install an older OS.


There really isn't anything to learn. With Classic Shell, my Win8 laptop
looks and functions almost exactly like my Win XP SP3 desktop.

Once in a long while do I venture into Metro screen land, mainly because it
has links to a very good map and weather. Nothing much to learn there
either except how to close the app; there are various ways but Alt + F4
works just like always.


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  #56  
Old September 8th 13, 05:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 9/8/2013 11:57 AM, dadiOH wrote:
Once in a long while, I wander into Metro screen land, mostly for the very
decent map and weather link. Nothing to learn ther either except how to
close the app; there are various ways, none all that obvious but Alt + F4


I just drag the screen from the very top to close them.

 




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