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  #1  
Old June 1st 15, 10:01 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
Werner Obermeier
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one
year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1
owners.

Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why?

Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother
to register at all?

It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source
millions on the same day (they must have decent servers).

So, why bother to "pre register" software?

Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value?
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  #2  
Old June 1st 15, 10:11 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
Big_Al[_4_]
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

Wolf K wrote on 6/1/2015 5:08 PM:
On 2015-06-01 5:01 PM, Werner Obermeier wrote:
I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one
year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1
owners.

Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why?

Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother
to register at all?

It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source
millions on the same day (they must have decent servers).

So, why bother to "pre register" software?

Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value?


It's a way of gauging demand and/or willingness to change.

And/or a way for marketing to brag that x million people are 'eager' to get windows 10.


  #3  
Old June 1st 15, 10:24 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
Slimer
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

On 2015-06-01 5:01 PM, Werner Obermeier wrote:
I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one
year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1
owners.

Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why?

Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother
to register at all?

It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source
millions on the same day (they must have decent servers).

So, why bother to "pre register" software?

Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value?


It might be that those who registered will get priority access to the
operating system before those who haven't. For instance, you'd be able
to download it on July 22nd rather than July 26th. Of course, I'm just
assuming.

--
Slimer
Encrypt.

- "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest
FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the
reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4."
- "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?"

(Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately
defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel
4.0.x)
  #4  
Old June 1st 15, 10:40 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
Mayayana
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

In addition to the other reasons people have listed,
Microsoft desperately want to get you used to the
idea that the whole thing is a service that you subscribe
to and that they provide. It's not your PC anymore. It's
their services device. Some people will like the new
approach, but the Microsofties know perfectly well that
for most people it will be a hard sell, just as Metro has
been a hard sell.

People are getting invitation popups.
Why? Because they've already allowed Microsoft to
have unrestricted access to their machine and MS
is pushing new product.

If you sign
up then MS gets your email address and personal info.
You become one of their spied-on services customers.
But they're also trying to set the tone: You sign up
when the popup ad tells you to and you don't have
to think about it anymore. MS will transform you computer
as soon as Win10 is ready, as long as they have your
permission. Once that's done, it's in their hands from
then on. They'll let you know if there's anything you
need to know.... which will probably be mostly "special
offers".
You won't even be able to choose about whether to
have updates installed once you've got onto the Win10
services bandwagon. It's all a very gradual
transition from selling to renting and from software to
services, which Microsoft has actually been trying to
pull off ever since they came out with Active Desktop
in 1998 and "invited" you to subscribe to ads on your
Desktop. Their quest became more urgent when they
saw Apple making over a billion dollars a year through
iTunes alone -- selling crippled music to a captive
audience of suckers. Services is all about a captive
audience of suckers. But for the general scam to succeed
they need to get people used to the idea that while you
might pay for a car, you're actually just going to get taxi
service. Ideally they need to make you into an AppleSeed:
someone who thanks them for exploiting you.


  #5  
Old June 1st 15, 10:43 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
Slimer
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

On 2015-06-01 5:40 PM, Mayayana wrote:
In addition to the other reasons people have listed,
Microsoft desperately want to get you used to the
idea that the whole thing is a service that you subscribe
to and that they provide. It's not your PC anymore. It's
their services device. Some people will like the new
approach, but the Microsofties know perfectly well that
for most people it will be a hard sell, just as Metro has
been a hard sell.


Lie, no evidence cited.

People are getting invitation popups.
Why? Because they've already allowed Microsoft to
have unrestricted access to their machine and MS
is pushing new product.


Another lie, no evidence cited.

If you sign
up then MS gets your email address and personal info.
You become one of their spied-on services customers.
But they're also trying to set the tone: You sign up
when the popup ad tells you to and you don't have
to think about it anymore. MS will transform you computer
as soon as Win10 is ready, as long as they have your
permission. Once that's done, it's in their hands from
then on. They'll let you know if there's anything you
need to know.... which will probably be mostly "special
offers".


Three for three, a Linux user lied about Microsoft and Windows? How
shocking!

You won't even be able to choose about whether to
have updates installed once you've got onto the Win10
services bandwagon. It's all a very gradual
transition from selling to renting and from software to
services, which Microsoft has actually been trying to
pull off ever since they came out with Active Desktop
in 1998 and "invited" you to subscribe to ads on your
Desktop. Their quest became more urgent when they
saw Apple making over a billion dollars a year through
iTunes alone -- selling crippled music to a captive
audience of suckers. Services is all about a captive
audience of suckers. But for the general scam to succeed
they need to get people used to the idea that while you
might pay for a car, you're actually just going to get taxi
service. Ideally they need to make you into an AppleSeed:
someone who thanks them for exploiting you.


So I'm crippled because I play the music I purchased from iTunes five
years after the fact within MediaMonkey with iTunes not even being
installed? Another lie from a free software advocate.

--
Slimer
Encrypt.

- "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest
FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the
reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4."
- "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?"

(Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately
defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel
4.0.x)
  #6  
Old June 1st 15, 11:02 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Good Guy[_2_]
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

On 01/06/2015 22:40, Mayayana wrote:
crap snipped



Have you always been a habitual lier? Just wondered.

  #7  
Old June 1st 15, 11:06 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
Mayayana
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?


| Three for three, a Linux user lied about Microsoft and Windows? How
| shocking!
|

If you're going to call people liars you could at least
have the common sense and the decency to explain
your "reasoning". Otherwise you're no different than
a drunk shouting at his hallucinations. Or are you
perhaps a Microsoft shill?

Actually, if you'd been tuned in to discussions here
you'd know that I don't use Linux in general, and
I delight in criticizing Linux and OSS as much as I
like to criticize Microsoft. The reason is simple:
Between fashion, marketing and emotional bias, there's
not much room left for straight facts. I figure it's the
social duty of anyone who knows something about
what's going on to share that with people who don't.

If you really care about facts you can check out
what I've said for yourself. Steve Ballmer himself
is talking services, and numerous sites have reported
that you won't be able to control updates in Win10.
If you think that's all made up then why do *you*
think they imposed the irrelevant Metro UI in Win8?
Because it's just more fun than booting to the Desktop
directly?


  #8  
Old June 1st 15, 11:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Slimer
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

On 2015-06-01 6:02 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 01/06/2015 22:40, Mayayana wrote:
crap snipped



Have you always been a habitual lier? Just wondered.


That's the only strategy Linux losers know to get people attracted to
their "operating system." They know that the product is inferior and
that their philosophy of making it impossible to make a profit as a
result of making everything free doesn't appeal to many so they lie, lie
and lie some more.

Just look at my signature to get an idea of the kind of lies they come
up with even when we point out, WITH EVIDENCE FROM A NUMBER OF
PUBLICATIONS ON HAND, a gigantic bug in Linux. This one affected the
latest kernel which, if the hard disk was formatted with the default
filesystem of ext4, caused data to get corrupted.

--
Slimer
Encrypt.

- "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest
FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the
reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4."
- "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?"

(Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately
defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel
4.0.x)
  #9  
Old June 1st 15, 11:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
Ken Blake, MVP[_4_]
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

On Mon, 1 Jun 2015 21:01:03 +0000 (UTC), Werner Obermeier
wrote:

I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one
year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1
owners.

Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why?

Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother
to register at all?



"Desperately"? That's your word, not theirs, and as far as I'm
concerned, the word is nonsense.

Microsoft is trying to help us with reservations. Installation can go
faster if you reserve, See
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-faq, which says

"How long does it take to install the upgrade?

"Plan for about an hour for the installation. Newer devices may only
take 20 minutes, and older devices may take more than an hour.

"You'll need to download the installation files before you begin. If
you reserve, we'll take care of downloading those files for you and
let you know when you are ready to get started."

  #10  
Old June 1st 15, 11:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
Slimer
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

On 2015-06-01 6:06 PM, Mayayana wrote:
| Three for three, a Linux user lied about Microsoft and Windows? How
| shocking!
|

If you're going to call people liars you could at least
have the common sense and the decency to explain
your "reasoning". Otherwise you're no different than
a drunk shouting at his hallucinations. Or are you
perhaps a Microsoft shill?


Sure, tell me which one of the lies you uttered you'd like for me to
provide more information on. I have a plethora of links I would love to
provide you if you insist on defending your fabrication.

Actually, if you'd been tuned in to discussions here
you'd know that I don't use Linux in general, and
I delight in criticizing Linux and OSS as much as I
like to criticize Microsoft. The reason is simple:
Between fashion, marketing and emotional bias, there's
not much room left for straight facts. I figure it's the
social duty of anyone who knows something about
what's going on to share that with people who don't.


Your message also demonstrates that you're not in the habit of using
recent hardwa

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X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

Since you're running a very old machine, I can see why you're defending
Linux which has a distribution for your old configuration should you
decide that Windows is no longer doing its job for you.

If you really care about facts you can check out
what I've said for yourself. Steve Ballmer himself
is talking services, and numerous sites have reported
that you won't be able to control updates in Win10.
If you think that's all made up then why do *you*
think they imposed the irrelevant Metro UI in Win8?
Because it's just more fun than booting to the Desktop
directly?


I'm not defending the modern interface, however I would assume that
Microsoft actually wanted to move in the direction of the modern
interface and abandon the older desktop. After all, the modern interface
allows software to run sandboxed and essentially prevents a bad apple
from taking down the entire system. Since this interface is also used on
tablets and phones, it would have become very familiar to users in the
long run had their gamble been successful. However, as the Start button
debacle has shown, people are resistant to change. After all, there's a
reason why the majority of Linux window manager and desktop environments
use the Start button as well.


--
Slimer
Encrypt.

- "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest
FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the
reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4."
- "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?"

(Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately
defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel
4.0.x)
  #11  
Old June 2nd 15, 01:40 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

Werner Obermeier wrote:
I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one
year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1
owners.

Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why?

Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother
to register at all?

It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source
millions on the same day (they must have decent servers).

So, why bother to "pre register" software?

Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value?


Variety of reasons. The most common ones a
- Telemetry on interest for the free upgrade
- Determine server loading and deployment plans via pushing it down
via Windows update
- Registration for Windows 10 with the Get Windows 10 app allows the
user to be placed in a preference queue and if chosen notification in
advance by email.


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps
  #12  
Old June 2nd 15, 01:43 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-01 5:01 PM, Werner Obermeier wrote:
I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one
year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1
owners.

Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why?

Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother
to register at all?

It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source
millions on the same day (they must have decent servers).

So, why bother to "pre register" software?

Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value?


It might be that those who registered will get priority access to the
operating system before those who haven't. For instance, you'd be able
to download it on July 22nd rather than July 26th. Of course, I'm just
assuming.

The date for first availability is July 29, 2015 (not 22nd or 26th).
Reserving via the Get Windows 10 app places the user in a queue for
downloading. (i.e. not everyone will be able to download on July 29th.
In fact the reservation could take preference until the queue is
diminished to a MSFT acceptable quantity.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps
  #13  
Old June 2nd 15, 01:45 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Blake, MVP[_4_]
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 18:04:12 -0500, Zaghadka
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 15:18:59 -0700, in alt.comp.os.windows-8, Ken Blake,
MVP wrote:

On Mon, 1 Jun 2015 21:01:03 +0000 (UTC), Werner Obermeier
wrote:

I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one
year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1
owners.

Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why?

Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother
to register at all?



"Desperately"? That's your word, not theirs, and as far as I'm
concerned, the word is nonsense.

Microsoft is trying to help us with reservations. Installation can go
faster if you reserve, See
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-faq, which says

"How long does it take to install the upgrade?

"Plan for about an hour for the installation. Newer devices may only
take 20 minutes, and older devices may take more than an hour.

"You'll need to download the installation files before you begin. If
you reserve, we'll take care of downloading those files for you and
let you know when you are ready to get started."


I disagree. I think they are actively advertising on every computer with
automatic updates installed, and there is no ease-of-use case, such as
you describe, that justifies it.



Feel free to disagree. It's your right, even when you're wrong. g

  #14  
Old June 2nd 15, 01:52 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

Zaghadka wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 17:43:51 -0400, in alt.comp.os.windows-8, Slimer
wrote:

People are getting invitation popups.
Why? Because they've already allowed Microsoft to
have unrestricted access to their machine and MS
is pushing new product.


Another lie, no evidence cited.


Baloney. They pushed KB3035583 as a "recommended" update, and thus an
automatic update, and they did it for the sole reason of turning the
user's computer into their own personal billboard. There is no technical
reason for that to be an automatic update.

Microsoft has unrestricted access to your machine through automatic
updates if the user has half a brain and takes security updates
seriously. This is a violation of the trust that they will only invoke an
automatic update because it is necessary to the user.

Evidence cited.

KB 3035583 for me tagged as an optional update - requiring the user to
check the box.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps
  #15  
Old June 2nd 15, 02:11 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
Slimer
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

On 2015-06-01 8:43 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-01 5:01 PM, Werner Obermeier wrote:
I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one
year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1
owners.

Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why?

Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother
to register at all?

It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source
millions on the same day (they must have decent servers).

So, why bother to "pre register" software?

Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value?


It might be that those who registered will get priority access to the
operating system before those who haven't. For instance, you'd be able
to download it on July 22nd rather than July 26th. Of course, I'm just
assuming.

The date for first availability is July 29, 2015 (not 22nd or 26th).
Reserving via the Get Windows 10 app places the user in a queue for
downloading. (i.e. not everyone will be able to download on July 29th.
In fact the reservation could take preference until the queue is
diminished to a MSFT acceptable quantity.


Thanks for the information as well as the informative post you made
right before this one.


--
Slimer
Encrypt.

- "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest
FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the
reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4."
- "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?"

(Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately
defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel
4.0.x)
 




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