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Old March 14th 19, 05:04 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
bilsch
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Default Can I install Win 10 like this?

I currently have no Windows system on any PC. I have Ubuntu. I want to
purchase and download a Win10 bootable install iso for use on another PC
(an old Dell Inspiron N4110 laptop). I can make a bootable USB stick
using linux command line something like:

dd if=windowsinstall.iso of=/dev/sdb

I know how to do that.

What i need to know is where to purchase and download the iso file that
will boot the laptop into the Windows 10 installation routine. I assume
I will get a long registration code when I purchase the file that I will
need to enter during installation. I prefer to get the file from
Microsoft if possible. TIA. Bill S.
  #2  
Old March 14th 19, 05:32 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
😉 Good Guy 😉
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Default Can I install Win 10 like this?

On 14/03/2019 04:04, bilsch wrote:
I currently have no Windows system on any PC. I have Ubuntu. I want
to purchase and download a Win10 bootable install iso for use on
another PC (an old Dell Inspiron N4110 laptop). I can make a bootable
USB stick using linux command line something like:

dd if=windowsinstall.iso of=/dev/sdb

I know how to do that.

What i need to know is where to purchase and download the iso file
that will boot the laptop into the Windows 10 installation routine. I
assume I will get a long registration code when I purchase the file
that I will need to enter during installation. I prefer to get the
file from Microsoft if possible. TIA. Bill S.

You can download Windows ISO from this link:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10

Use your Linux machine to download the full ISO and then you can burn it
to a DVD drive. Not sure if Linux Junk has any tools to create DVD
disks but that is your task to find out. Microsoft has a Media Creation
tool but it won't run on your Junk machine. Linux Junk and Microsoft
are not generally compatible.

After creating the media, you can install it without the product key and
use it for 30 days for free. During that time you can test whether you
have the intelligence to use it permanently. If this is the case then
you need to buy a product serial number from Amazon as they have some
cheap ones. Amazon UK has got one for £7.00
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07HY9YK9N/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_4?smid=A1MAKNUKQKPX5R&psc=1 .
this price might go up after 29th March when we are completely
independent showing two fingers to German Nazis and French frogs.





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  #3  
Old March 14th 19, 03:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
dave61430[_2_]
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Default Can I install Win 10 like this?

On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 04:32:42 +0000, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:

On 14/03/2019 04:04, bilsch wrote:
I currently have no Windows system on any PC. I have Ubuntu. I want to
purchase and download a Win10 bootable install iso for use on another
PC (an old Dell Inspiron N4110 laptop). I can make a bootable USB
stick using linux command line something like:

dd if=windowsinstall.iso of=/dev/sdb

I know how to do that.

What i need to know is where to purchase and download the iso file that
will boot the laptop into the Windows 10 installation routine. I assume
I will get a long registration code when I purchase the file that I
will need to enter during installation. I prefer to get the file from
Microsoft if possible. TIA. Bill S.

You can download Windows ISO from this link:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10

Use your Linux machine to download the full ISO and then you can burn it
to a DVD drive. Not sure if Linux Junk has any tools to create DVD
disks but that is your task to find out. Microsoft has a Media Creation
tool but it won't run on your Junk machine. Linux Junk and Microsoft
are not generally compatible.

After creating the media, you can install it without the product key and
use it for 30 days for free. During that time you can test whether you
have the intelligence to use it permanently. If this is the case then
you need to buy a product serial number from Amazon as they have some
cheap ones. Amazon UK has got one for £7.00
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...saved_title_4?

smid=A1MAKNUKQKPX5R&psc=1.
this price might go up after 29th March when we are completely
independent showing two fingers to German Nazis and French frogs.


Of course Linux junk doesn't have any software to burn a DVD, people who
use Linux are too stupid to know how to use it. I use Linux all the time
on my desktop, and simply replying to you obnoxious post proves I must be
stupid.
  #4  
Old March 14th 19, 10:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Can I install Win 10 like this?

bilsch wrote:
I currently have no Windows system on any PC. I have Ubuntu. I want to
purchase and download a Win10 bootable install iso for use on another PC
(an old Dell Inspiron N4110 laptop). I can make a bootable USB stick
using linux command line something like:

dd if=windowsinstall.iso of=/dev/sdb

I know how to do that.

What i need to know is where to purchase and download the iso file that
will boot the laptop into the Windows 10 installation routine. I assume
I will get a long registration code when I purchase the file that I will
need to enter during installation. I prefer to get the file from
Microsoft if possible. TIA. Bill S.


Windows 10 Home (do not buy - a bad deal) $140

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16832397825

Windows 10 Pro $200 (has GPEDIT, and some small amount of control)

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16832397826

Those are USB key products.

Paul




  #5  
Old March 14th 19, 03:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Can I install Win 10 like this?

On 3/14/19 12:04 AM, bilsch wrote:
I currently have no Windows system on any PC.Â* I have Ubuntu. I want to
purchase and download a Win10 bootable install iso for use on another PC
(an old Dell Inspiron N4110 laptop).Â* I can make a bootable USB stick
using linux command line something like:

dd if=windowsinstall.iso of=/dev/sdb

I know how to do that.

What i need to know is where to purchase and download the iso file that
will boot the laptop into the Windows 10 installation routine. I assume
I will get a long registration code when I purchase the file that I will
need to enter during installation.Â* I prefer to get the file from
Microsoft if possible.Â* TIA.Â*Â* Bill S.

Not sure about Ubuntu, but Linux Mint has 'usb image writer' and it does
just that. No special software needed. You can download from
Windows for free at
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft.../windows10ISO/
but this only gives you the ISO no key. But you can try writing a usb
if you get the software and try booting it off any pc, even yours to
test the creation of the usb drive.

Once you know you can put all those parts together, you can now try to
invest money into a key, and you have the option now for 1) key only
since you can download Pro or Home from MS, 2) key and USB, or 3) key
and ISO download (which is kinda redundant). I guess a 4th option is
having the dvd and key mailed to you as Paul pointed out from a place
like Newegg, Tiger Direct, Microcenter (a local brick and mortar but
they do ship).

Good luck.

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Old March 14th 19, 03:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jonathan N. Little[_2_]
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Default Can I install Win 10 like this?

Big Al wrote:
On 3/14/19 12:04 AM, bilsch wrote:
I currently have no Windows system on any PC.Â* I have Ubuntu. I want
to purchase and download a Win10 bootable install iso for use on
another PC (an old Dell Inspiron N4110 laptop).Â* I can make a bootable
USB stick using linux command line something like:

dd if=windowsinstall.iso of=/dev/sdb

I know how to do that.

What i need to know is where to purchase and download the iso file
that will boot the laptop into the Windows 10 installation routine. I
assume I will get a long registration code when I purchase the file
that I will need to enter during installation.Â* I prefer to get the
file from Microsoft if possible.Â* TIA.Â*Â* Bill S.

Not sure about Ubuntu, but Linux Mint has 'usb image writer' and it does
just that.Â*Â* No special software needed.Â*Â*Â* You can download from
Windows for free at
Â*Â*Â*Â*https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft.../windows10ISO/
but this only gives you the ISO no key.Â* But you can try writing a usb
if you get the software and try booting it off any pc, even yours to
test the creation of the usb drive.

Once you know you can put all those parts together, you can now try to
invest money into a key, and you have the option now for 1) key only
since you can download Pro or Home from MS, 2) key and USB, or 3) key
and ISO download (which is kinda redundant).Â* I guess a 4th option is
having the dvd and key mailed to you as Paul pointed out from a place
like Newegg, Tiger Direct, Microcenter (a local brick and mortar but
they do ship).



It's call Startup Disk Creator in Ubuntu.


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Jonathan
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  #7  
Old March 14th 19, 04:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Big Al[_5_]
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Default Can I install Win 10 like this?

On 3/14/19 10:54 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Big Al wrote:
On 3/14/19 12:04 AM, bilsch wrote:
I currently have no Windows system on any PC.Â* I have Ubuntu. I want
to purchase and download a Win10 bootable install iso for use on
another PC (an old Dell Inspiron N4110 laptop).Â* I can make a bootable
USB stick using linux command line something like:

dd if=windowsinstall.iso of=/dev/sdb

I know how to do that.

What i need to know is where to purchase and download the iso file
that will boot the laptop into the Windows 10 installation routine. I
assume I will get a long registration code when I purchase the file
that I will need to enter during installation.Â* I prefer to get the
file from Microsoft if possible.Â* TIA.Â*Â* Bill S.

Not sure about Ubuntu, but Linux Mint has 'usb image writer' and it does
just that.Â*Â* No special software needed.Â*Â*Â* You can download from
Windows for free at
Â*Â*Â*Â*https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft.../windows10ISO/
but this only gives you the ISO no key.Â* But you can try writing a usb
if you get the software and try booting it off any pc, even yours to
test the creation of the usb drive.

Once you know you can put all those parts together, you can now try to
invest money into a key, and you have the option now for 1) key only
since you can download Pro or Home from MS, 2) key and USB, or 3) key
and ISO download (which is kinda redundant).Â* I guess a 4th option is
having the dvd and key mailed to you as Paul pointed out from a place
like Newegg, Tiger Direct, Microcenter (a local brick and mortar but
they do ship).



It's call Startup Disk Creator in Ubuntu.


Well that puts GoodGuy in his place.

  #8  
Old March 14th 19, 08:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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Default Can I install Win 10 like this?

On 3/14/19 7:54 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
It's call Startup Disk Creator in Ubuntu


Hi Jonathan,

What is its executable program file name? I
want to see if there is an RPM for it. It would
save a lot of hassle.

-T
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Old March 14th 19, 08:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jonathan N. Little[_2_]
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Default Can I install Win 10 like this?

T wrote:
On 3/14/19 7:54 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
It's call Startup Disk Creator in Ubuntu


Hi Jonathan,

Â* What is its executable program file name?Â* I
want to see if there is an RPM for it.Â* It would
save a lot of hassle.



usb-creator-gtk


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Jonathan
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http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
  #10  
Old March 14th 19, 08:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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Default Can I install Win 10 like this?

On 3/14/19 12:36 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
T wrote:
On 3/14/19 7:54 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
It's call Startup Disk Creator in Ubuntu


Hi Jonathan,

Â* What is its executable program file name?Â* I
want to see if there is an RPM for it.Â* It would
save a lot of hassle.



usb-creator-gtk



Thank you!

Fedora does not. Rats!

  #11  
Old March 14th 19, 08:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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Default Can I install Win 10 like this?

On 3/13/19 9:04 PM, bilsch wrote:
I currently have no Windows system on any PC.Â* I have Ubuntu. I want to
purchase and download a Win10 bootable install iso for use on another PC
(an old Dell Inspiron N4110 laptop).Â* I can make a bootable USB stick
using linux command line something like:

dd if=windowsinstall.iso of=/dev/sdb

I know how to do that.

What i need to know is where to purchase and download the iso file that
will boot the laptop into the Windows 10 installation routine. I assume
I will get a long registration code when I purchase the file that I will
need to enter during installation.Â* I prefer to get the file from
Microsoft if possible.Â* TIA.Â*Â* Bill S.



Hi Bilsch,

"dd" only works if you set the iso up correctly for it.
M$ does not.

You can burn the iso with K3b in Linux to a DVD.

The only way I have found to make it using Rufus from
a Window virtual machine.

I have not tried Jonathan's Startup Disk Creator suggestion,
but I'd go that route first.

-T

  #12  
Old March 14th 19, 10:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Can I install Win 10 like this?

T wrote:
On 3/13/19 9:04 PM, bilsch wrote:
I currently have no Windows system on any PC. I have Ubuntu. I want
to purchase and download a Win10 bootable install iso for use on
another PC (an old Dell Inspiron N4110 laptop). I can make a bootable
USB stick using linux command line something like:

dd if=windowsinstall.iso of=/dev/sdb

I know how to do that.

What i need to know is where to purchase and download the iso file
that will boot the laptop into the Windows 10 installation routine. I
assume I will get a long registration code when I purchase the file
that I will need to enter during installation. I prefer to get the
file from Microsoft if possible. TIA. Bill S.



Hi Bilsch,

"dd" only works if you set the iso up correctly for it.
M$ does not.

You can burn the iso with K3b in Linux to a DVD.

The only way I have found to make it using Rufus from
a Window virtual machine.

I have not tried Jonathan's Startup Disk Creator suggestion,
but I'd go that route first.

-T


There are two "eras" of usb-creator-gtk.

The first era was "intelligent". It took apart the ISO,
and put the pieces on the USB stick for you, as well as
offering to add a 4GB "persistence" file so that your
/home could be stored on the stick too.

When the hybrid ISOs came out (supporting MSDOS and UEFI
boot, as well as having the ability to be used on a
USB key), the usb-creator-gtk was "converted" into
a call to "dd". It just dumps the ISO onto the USB stick,
sector by sector. No longer is usb-creator-gtk "magical"
in any sense. Consequently, a person who can read the
manual page for "dd" can manage to do this on their
very own, without hunting for the dressed-up-GUI-thingy.

And the thing is, you can spend all day evaluating stuff like this.

http://www.webupd8.org/2017/06/tool-...ndows-usb.html

Without really knowing for sure that it will work.

Paul
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Old March 15th 19, 09:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Paul wrote:
snip all

Okay, with the Ubuntu version 16.04 the 'Startup Disk Creator' will not
do the Windows ISO. However the following DOES WORK. I just tested it.

To OP follow these steps

1) Go to MS website and download Windows ISO

2) Get a usb key 6 GB or greater. I used a 32GB Sandisk. Insert it.

3) Open a terminal window CTRL+ALT+T and enter one-liner to install WoeUSB:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8 && sudo apt update &&
sudo apt install woeusb

4) You have to discover the device for the USB KEY and you must unmount
it because it auto-mounted via fuse when you stuck it into your USB slot.

cat /etc/mtab

On mine the line started:
/dev/sdb1 /media/jonathan/VOLUME_IDENTIFIER ...

Two things to note the device path without the partition number, in this
case '/dev/sdb' and the mountpoint '/media/jonathan/VOLUME_IDENTIFIER'

5) Unmount the key but leave it in the slot. No sudo needed it's mounted
in userspace.

umount /media/jonathan/VOLUME_IDENTIFIER

6) Now run the woeusb command specifying ISO and filesytem parameters. I
am should full paths in my example for clarity:

sudo woeusb --target-filesystem NTFS --device
/home/jonathan/Downloads/Win10_1809Oct_English_x64.iso /dev/sdb

Booted into Windows setup just fine. Does create two partitions on key
with the probematic UEFI partition that frustrates other methods. Here
is my mtab for the formatted key:

/dev/sdb2 /media/jonathan/UEFI_NTFS vfat
rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0 022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,showexec,utf8,flush,errors=remou nt-ro
0 0

/dev/sdb1 /media/jonathan/Windows\040USB fuseblk
rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,defa ult_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096
0 0


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Jonathan
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  #14  
Old March 15th 19, 10:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Can I install Win 10 like this?

Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Paul wrote:
snip all

Okay, with the Ubuntu version 16.04 the 'Startup Disk Creator' will not
do the Windows ISO. However the following DOES WORK. I just tested it.

To OP follow these steps

1) Go to MS website and download Windows ISO

2) Get a usb key 6 GB or greater. I used a 32GB Sandisk. Insert it.

3) Open a terminal window CTRL+ALT+T and enter one-liner to install WoeUSB:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8 && sudo apt update &&
sudo apt install woeusb

4) You have to discover the device for the USB KEY and you must unmount
it because it auto-mounted via fuse when you stuck it into your USB slot.

cat /etc/mtab

On mine the line started:
/dev/sdb1 /media/jonathan/VOLUME_IDENTIFIER ...

Two things to note the device path without the partition number, in this
case '/dev/sdb' and the mountpoint '/media/jonathan/VOLUME_IDENTIFIER'

5) Unmount the key but leave it in the slot. No sudo needed it's mounted
in userspace.

umount /media/jonathan/VOLUME_IDENTIFIER

6) Now run the woeusb command specifying ISO and filesytem parameters. I
am should full paths in my example for clarity:

sudo woeusb --target-filesystem NTFS --device
/home/jonathan/Downloads/Win10_1809Oct_English_x64.iso /dev/sdb

Booted into Windows setup just fine. Does create two partitions on key
with the probematic UEFI partition that frustrates other methods. Here
is my mtab for the formatted key:

/dev/sdb2 /media/jonathan/UEFI_NTFS vfat
rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0 022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,showexec,utf8,flush,errors=remou nt-ro
0 0

/dev/sdb1 /media/jonathan/Windows\040USB fuseblk
rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,defa ult_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096
0 0


We're trusting a .ppa though. I don't
even know the person porting this and what
reputation they have. As some sort of metric.

It is, after all, a fork of another tool. Which
means a miscreant *could* be a malware expert and
not a boot expert, just reusing the boot-making code
and be up to monkey-business.

I don't automatically trust everyone on the Internet.
My methods aren't all that rigorous, or even worth
documenting. Lots of my trust metric is based
on "appearances", "things that defy gravity", and
so on. For example, if someone uses a "packer",
then it could be to save bandwidth. But if they're
on Sourceforge, now their bandwidth is "free", so
that's a danger sign. And if I find a project
which is packed with *2* packers, that's automatically
off limits. The garbage smell from that is... horrible.

For me to test the above, I have to have a reason
to trust them. And a setup where it can't cause
immediate damage.

Paul
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Old March 15th 19, 11:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jonathan N. Little[_2_]
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Default Can I install Win 10 like this?

Paul wrote:
It is, after all, a fork of another tool. Which
means a miscreant *could* be a malware expert and
not a boot expert, just reusing the boot-making code
and be up to monkey-business.


1) The PPA is on launchpad and is copen for all to review
2) The code is on github https://github.com/slacka/WoeUSB and the
source is also reviewable and open for comments by others.

Big difference in transparency with OpenSource where the code is open
for review, whereas Win-folks have to trust the binaries they install
without hesitation. You only install things from the Microsoft Store?

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Jonathan
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