need help fixing several issues

"Twayne" wrote in message
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You said you didn't want to hear about SPs and so on, but that's very
likely the source of a lot of your problems. At SP1 there were still a
gazillion holes in the OS. Can you even get auto updates for SP1 anymore?

Don't think so - security updates are only for SP2 machines at the moment
AFAIK and from the middle of next year will only be for SP3 machines...

"Gordon" wrote in message
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"SC Tom" wrote in message
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"Gordon" wrote in message
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"SC Tom" wrote in message
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Again, if you were making money hacking PC's, would you go after MS or
the smaller fish? Are they truly "gaping security weaknesses" or is
just that no one bothers with Linux, Unix, etc.?


The architecture of *nix makes it very difficult to
attack.....particularly Linux as there are so many variants.
Again I ask, if *nix owned 90% of the share, where do you think hackers
would be putting all their energy and resources? If MS was the 10%
minority, who would bother trying to get in? Only the amateurs, looking
for a place to start.


No you don't get it. The ARCHITECTURE ie the file structure and that way
*nix is built and used makes it VERY difficult to attack. Period. Doesn't
matter about numbers.
Example. 55% of ALL web servers run some sort of *nix yet there are only a
very few *nix viruses in the wild and of those most are relatively
harmless. Why? Because it's very difficult to attack them with viruses or
malware because of the design. *nix OSs are secure by DESIGN.
Yes Windows has 90% of the desktop, BUT, Windows is unbelievably easy to
write viruses for, not because of it's popularity, but because of the way
it's designed!
Oh, I get it. I concede that the nixes and Apples of the world are more
secure than Windows (what's the easiest way to break into a house? Through
the windows, of course :-) ). I'm just saying that IF Microsoft only had a
small share of the market, there wouldn't be nearly as much effort put into
it as there would be in the more popular OS, no matter what it was. Do you
really think that if *nix was as widespread on the home market as Windows
that there wouldn't be more hits on it than there are? It doesn't matter how
secure a program is; if it's the big dog in the yard, everyone is going to
try and bring it down.

Gordon wrote on Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:13:13 -0000:

No you don't get it. The ARCHITECTURE ie the file structure and that way
*nix is built and used makes it VERY difficult to attack. Period.
Doesn't matter about numbers.

Really Gordon? Ever heard of rootkits? While relatively new in the
Windows world, it has been a thorn in *nix side for the past 18 years.

Example. 55% of ALL web servers run some sort of *nix yet there are only
a very few *nix viruses in the wild and of those most are relatively
harmless. Why? Because it's very difficult to attack them with viruses
or malware because of the design. *nix OSs are secure by DESIGN.

What is difficult is that there are so many distros out there and
applications and viruses has to be tailored for each one. Which makes
*nix pretty useless for the masses. Heck that makes it pretty useless to
me as well. As *nix makes a very poor general purpose OS.

*nix by design, break things. You can't update, add security patches or
anything without breaking applications and drivers. Sure it also breaks
viruses too. But I don't care about viruses! I do *care* about my
drivers and applications working though. ;-)

Yes Windows has 90% of the desktop, BUT, Windows is unbelievably easy to
write viruses for, not because of it's popularity, but because of the
way it's designed!

Easy to write viruses for? Also easier to block viruses for as well. As
I have never been infected yet. And I have been using Windows daily
since '93. And Windows is easy to write applications for. This is what
makes it successful and why *nix will never amount to anything. It is
all of the distros out there which is destroying each other. So what
good is *nix if it just sits there doing nothing Gordon?

--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Xandros Linux (build 2007-10-19 13:03)

"BillW50" wrote in message
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*nix by design, break things. You can't update, add security patches or
anything without breaking applications and drivers. Sure it also breaks
viruses too. But I don't care about viruses! I do *care* about my drivers
and applications working though. ;-)


You do talk absolute crap.

Plonk.

Gordon wrote on Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:57:32 -0000:

"BillW50" wrote in message
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*nix by design, break things. You can't update, add security patches
or anything without breaking applications and drivers. Sure it also
breaks viruses too. But I don't care about viruses! I do *care* about
my drivers and applications working though. ;-)


You do talk absolute crap.

Plonk.

Prove it Gordon! Prove how I can update this piece of crap *nix (which
is a commercial distro and not free) I am running right now! People who
claim it can be done should be able to prove it! Otherwise we have names
for people like you!

--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Xandros Linux (build 2007-10-19 13:03)

In ,
BillW50 typed on Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:24:01 -0600:
Gordon wrote on Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:13:13 -0000:

No you don't get it. The ARCHITECTURE ie the file structure and that
way *nix is built and used makes it VERY difficult to attack. Period.
Doesn't matter about numbers.

Really Gordon? Ever heard of rootkits? While relatively new in the
Windows world, it has been a thorn in *nix side for the past 18 years.

Example. 55% of ALL web servers run some sort of *nix yet there are
only a very few *nix viruses in the wild and of those most are
relatively harmless. Why? Because it's very difficult to attack them
with viruses or malware because of the design. *nix OSs are secure
by DESIGN.

What is difficult is that there are so many distros out there and
applications and viruses has to be tailored for each one. Which makes
*nix pretty useless for the masses. Heck that makes it pretty useless
to me as well. As *nix makes a very poor general purpose OS.

*nix by design, break things. You can't update, add security patches
or anything without breaking applications and drivers. Sure it also
breaks viruses too. But I don't care about viruses! I do *care* about
my drivers and applications working though. ;-)

Yes Windows has 90% of the desktop, BUT, Windows is unbelievably
easy to write viruses for, not because of it's popularity, but
because of the way it's designed!

Easy to write viruses for? Also easier to block viruses for as well.
As I have never been infected yet. And I have been using Windows daily
since '93. And Windows is easy to write applications for. This is what
makes it successful and why *nix will never amount to anything. It is
all of the distros out there which is destroying each other. So what
good is *nix if it just sits there doing nothing Gordon?

I don't know which Gordon is yet, but it appears Gordon is either
clueless or a liar. I can't think of any other possibilities right now.

If Gordon is just ignorant, well I must give him a pass. Although if he
is knowingly spreading BS, he is no better than a con artist and should
be thrown in jail as far as I am concern.

--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2