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(OT) Windows 8 touch screens
The other day I was in Walmart and was playing with the demos on Win8.
While I would not even want a touch screen, which reminds me too much of a cellphone, I got to thinking abotu the screens. To begin, I'm a farmer, and my hands are very calloused and rough, especially in winter. I have literally worn thru the keys, especially the space bar on several keyboards, leaving a hole in the middle of the space bar. If I was using a touch screen, wouldn't the screen actually wear out. leaving a hard to see screen, adn possibly a hole worn in it eventually? And even for people who dont have rough hands, dont the screen get all smudged from the oil in skin and dirt? I just think a touch screen is a really stupid idea. I imagine a special monitor would be needed to use the touch screen features, not just my standard LCD or CRT monitors. I suppose those smart phones get all scuffed too, but people seem to replace the whole phone long before they die, to keep up with the latest gadgets. That's what I seee anyhow. Myself, I only have a simple phone. It dials calls, and sends text. That's all it does, and that is all I want. PS. there was one thing I noticed on one of those demos. In IE, there is something that puts blue dots all over the page. When I touched the screen, it turned to all different colors and patterns. Although useless, it was kind of cool to watch.... |
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The other day I was in Walmart and was playing with the demos on Win8. While I would not even want a touch screen, which reminds me too much of a cellphone, I got to thinking abotu the screens. To begin, I'm a farmer, and my hands are very calloused and rough, especially in winter. I have literally worn thru the keys, especially the space bar on several keyboards, leaving a hole in the middle of the space bar. If I was using a touch screen, wouldn't the screen actually wear out. leaving a hard to see screen, adn possibly a hole worn in it eventually? And even for people who dont have rough hands, dont the screen get all smudged from the oil in skin and dirt? I just think a touch screen is a really stupid idea. I imagine a special monitor would be needed to use the touch screen features, not just my standard LCD or CRT monitors. I suppose those smart phones get all scuffed too, but people seem to replace the whole phone long before they die, to keep up with the latest gadgets. That's what I seee anyhow. Myself, I only have a simple phone. It dials calls, and sends text. That's all it does, and that is all I want. PS. there was one thing I noticed on one of those demos. In IE, there is something that puts blue dots all over the page. When I touched the screen, it turned to all different colors and patterns. Although useless, it was kind of cool to watch.... They talk of the Surface Pro using Gorilla Glass (Corning). http://www.surfaceforums.net/forum/m...ype-cover.html "Gorilla Glass 3 with Native Damage Resistance enables improved damage resistance and toughness. This new glass composition helps prevent the deep scratches that can lead to glass failure. The result is improved scratch resistance, reduced scratch visibility and improved retained strength if a scratch occurs." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla_glass "During its manufacture, Gorilla Glass is toughened by ion exchange. The material is submersed in molten potassium salt at a temperature of approximately 400C, whereby smaller sodium ions leave the glass to be replaced by larger potassium ions from the salt bath. The larger ions occupy more space and are pressed together when the glass cools, causing potassium ions to diffuse far into the surface, thereby creating a 'surface' layer of high compressive stress deep into the glass, a layer more resistant to damage from everyday use." In the first thread, it's obviously not that scratch resistant. http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/05/m...ce-pro-review/ "Thankfully, Microsoft saw fit to fix that particular issue with the inclusion of a stylus, which uses Wacom tech and offers 1,024 degrees of pressure-sensitivity -- just like the Samsung Galaxy Note II." So there are some kinds of alternatives to greasy finger prints. I doubt the stylus can do gestures all that well, but at least a finger is not the only option. Maybe you can swipe with the stylus, but you won't be emulating any "ten point touch" operations with it. Microsoft developers have this goofy idea that complex gestures will be all the rage. It turns out (from previous experience with this), that humans usually latch onto a couple simple gestures (like a gesture that closes a window), and use such a gesture a lot. While more obscure gestures, the user tries them so seldom, they have to look them up to remember what you're supposed to do. It doesn't take too many gestures, before you start to confuse them in your head. Whereas some people can memorize and recall a hundred different hot key combos. Paul |
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 06:08:17 -0400, micky
wrote: Maybe, but I hear the cell phone makers are resisting a law t hat would require them to put a disable function into cell phones, so thieves couldn't use them. They like the current system, where thieves steal cell phones and people have to buy replacements. That can work two ways. About 5 years ago, I found what looked to be a fairly costly smart phone. I was travelling at the time, so finding the cops was not something I wanted to mess with. I just tossed the phone in my car and decided that when I had time, I'd get inside of it, find some contacts, and call one that seemed to be a relative (such as Mom, dad, etc). Well, the phone was password protected, so I could not get into it. Thus, I never found the owner, so I saved the battery and threw the phone in the garbage. I suppose those smart phones get all scuffed too, but people seem to replace the whole phone long before they die, to keep up with the latest gadgets. That's what I seee anyhow. Myself, I only have a simple I think so. Today I think it was, the judge on the People's Court ridiculed someone's phone because it was only an iPhone 3 and had a somewhat smaller screen. Some of these young kids these days MUST have the latest of everything. I'm old, and I actually like older stuff better, it's easier to use. Win98 is much easier to use than XP, for example. phone. It dials calls, and sends text. That's all it does, and that is all I want. I've never sent a text. Don't plan to unless I get in some legal dispute with someone. I never thought I'd use texts, until I found out how they work. I absolutely hate playing phone tag. While sometimes I can leave a voicemail, some phones dont have that option, and have to keep calling the person over and over. Also, I wont call someone at 3am and wake them up. but I can send a text anytime of day or night without disturbing the person. I can say "I'm sick and wont be able to meet you tomorrow", then go to bed and not have to wake up to call them during "normal" hours. Or I can text a friend who lives in a rural area and has poor cell service (which is normal where I live). While I cant maintain a good enough signal to leave a voicemail, or actually speak to them, I can leave a text, which they will see as soon as they get a reasonable signal. On top of that, the cost to send or get a text is 1/4th the cost to call, per minute. And my phone is prepaid, so that saves money. However, it's slow to type one on a phone that dont have a full keyboard. But I just make them small. EX: Im sick - cant meet u tomarrow" |
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BillW50 wrote:
Did you know you can send text from a computer online? Plus my Palm machines (later models) can communicate with Bluetooth enabled phones. And my Palms I could use a keyboard and send it to my phone and then the phone sends it out. Here's how you text from your computer. You put the following into your *to* email address and then the text in the body. Sprint Verizon T-Mobile AT&T Virgin Mobile Cingular Nextel US Cellular Boost Alltel where xxxxxxxxxx = your full 10 digit phone number AT&T: Qwest: T-Mobile: Verizon: Sprint: or Virgin Mobile: Nextel: Alltel: Metro PCS: Powertel: Boost Mobile: Suncom: Tracfone: U.S. Cellular: |
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On 3/11/2014 8:18 AM, Henry wrote:
BillW50 wrote: Did you know you can send text from a computer online? Plus my Palm machines (later models) can communicate with Bluetooth enabled phones. And my Palms I could use a keyboard and send it to my phone and then the phone sends it out. Here's how you text from your computer. You put the following into your *to* email address and then the text in the body. Sprint Verizon T-Mobile AT&T Virgin Mobile Cingular Nextel US Cellular Boost Alltel where xxxxxxxxxx = your full 10 digit phone number AT&T: Qwest: T-Mobile: Verizon: Sprint: or Virgin Mobile: Nextel: Alltel: Metro PCS: Powertel: Boost Mobile: Suncom: Tracfone: U.S. Cellular: Wow! Nice list Henry, you're the man! Also if you use one of those instant messenger programs, most of them can send text messages to a phone too. I think most of them, all you do is add a plus before the phone number to the "to" part and then send. -- Bill Dell Latitude Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0 Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM - Windows 8 Pro |
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 08:18:34 -0500, Henry wrote:
BillW50 wrote: Did you know you can send text from a computer online? Plus my Palm machines (later models) can communicate with Bluetooth enabled phones. And my Palms I could use a keyboard and send it to my phone and then the phone sends it out. Here's how you text from your computer. You put the following into your *to* email address and then the text in the body. Whatever I found when I googled wasn't nearly this simple. Thanks. Sprint Verizon T-Mobile AT&T Virgin Mobile Cingular Nextel US Cellular Boost Alltel where xxxxxxxxxx = your full 10 digit phone number AT&T: Qwest: T-Mobile: Verizon: Sprint: or Virgin Mobile: Nextel: Alltel: Metro PCS: Powertel: Boost Mobile: Suncom: Tracfone: U.S. Cellular: I'm known to be dense. What is the difference between the first and second half of this, except the second half has more companies? Are they just two lists of the same thing, one list better than the other? |
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On 3/11/2014 3:47 AM, Paul wrote:
[...] "Thankfully, Microsoft saw fit to fix that particular issue with the inclusion of a stylus, which uses Wacom tech and offers 1,024 degrees of pressure-sensitivity -- just like the Samsung Galaxy Note II." Actually Wacom has been used in Windows tablets for many years now. Probably 10+ at least. And Wacom always had pressure sensitivity. I also know Wacom was used in the Compaq Concerto (Windows 3.1 '93 era). Although I don't think that one had pressure sensitivity. So there are some kinds of alternatives to greasy finger prints. I doubt the stylus can do gestures all that well, but at least a finger is not the only option. Maybe you can swipe with the stylus, but you won't be emulating any "ten point touch" operations with it. Microsoft developers have this goofy idea that complex gestures will be all the rage. It turns out (from previous experience with this), that humans usually latch onto a couple simple gestures (like a gesture that closes a window), and use such a gesture a lot. While more obscure gestures, the user tries them so seldom, they have to look them up to remember what you're supposed to do. It doesn't take too many gestures, before you start to confuse them in your head. Whereas some people can memorize and recall a hundred different hot key combos. There are many different ways to do touch screens. Just to name two popular methods are resistive and capacitive. And capacitive is the one most often used. Either one will work with your finger or a stylus (you need the right type). Finger-driven capacitive screens do not currently support pressure input. Wacom usually doesn't use either, but uses electromagnetic resonance and uses 531kHz. This method only works with a stylus that works by resonant inductive coupling to the stylus. Since the stylus is charged from the screen EMR, it requires no battery. Wacom did try to have both electromagnetic resonance and touch (resistive I think) at one point like 2005 or so. But they were having manufacturing problems combining the two. But they did have just touch (instead of electromagnetic resonance) and I purchased one with XP on it to play around. Nowadays I guess they have both finally working together. This Dell uses N-trig instead of Wacom. It works with touch and/or a stylus. Although the stylus requires an AAAA battery (no typo) and mine seems to last a year. And the N-trig driver always you to use stylus only, touch only, touch except when it detects a stylus, and both. When I use a tablet, I generally prefer stylus only rather than touch. As touch means you can't even touch the tablet with your hand, thumb or anything without registering. Stylus only you can rest your palm or hand it to somebody else and no worry about touching something and it acts on it. That happens a lot with touch. -- Bill Dell Latitude Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0 Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM - Windows 8 Pro |
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On 3/11/2014 2:10 PM, BillW50 wrote:
There are many different ways to do touch screens. Just to name two popular methods are resistive and capacitive. And capacitive is the one most often used. Either one will work with your finger or a stylus (you need the right type). Finger-driven capacitive screens do not currently support pressure input. Wacom usually doesn't use either, but uses electromagnetic resonance and uses 531kHz. This method only works with a stylus that works by resonant inductive coupling to the stylus. Since the stylus is charged from the screen EMR, it requires no battery. Wacom did try to have both electromagnetic resonance and touch (resistive I think) at one point like 2005 or so. But they were having manufacturing problems combining the two. But they did have just touch (instead of electromagnetic resonance) and I purchased one with XP on it to play around. Nowadays I guess they have both finally working together. This Dell uses N-trig instead of Wacom. It works with touch and/or a stylus. Although the stylus requires an AAAA battery (no typo) and mine seems to last a year. And the N-trig driver always you to use stylus only, touch only, touch except when it detects a stylus, and both. When I use a tablet, I generally prefer stylus only rather than touch. As touch means you can't even touch the tablet with your hand, thumb or anything without registering. Stylus only you can rest your palm or hand it to somebody else and no worry about touching something and it acts on it. That happens a lot with touch. I forget to mention that both Wacom and N-trig stylus also detect stylus' hovering. Meaning what most call the mouse pointer follows the stylus hovering and movement to within an inch or so of the screen. I never had seen either resistive or capacitive stylus do this yet. Although I don't know how the N-trig stylus works, so maybe it might be one or the other. -- Bill Dell Latitude Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0 Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM - Windows 8 Pro |
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