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AV spying. Surprised?
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/q...-investigation
About Avast/AVG collecting detailed browsing history through their products and selling it to... just about everyone! Wild stuff. Then again, was there ever any reason to trust AV companies in a time when corporations are coming up with excuses why spying and selling personal data is "normal"? Even car companies are now claiming their customers have given them permission to spy on their driving. |
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AV spying. Surprised?
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 18:39:28 -0500
"Mayayana" wrote: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/q...-investigation About Avast/AVG collecting detailed browsing history through their products and selling it to... just about everyone! Wild stuff. Then again, was there ever any reason to trust AV companies in a time when corporations are coming up with excuses why spying and selling personal data is "normal"? Even car companies are now claiming their customers have given them permission to spy on their driving. That's why I quit using it when I was using Windows 7. I found out that every question asked in their support group was going straight to Google. You could ask a question, and then immediately search for that question on Google and find it. I don't know how much Google was paying Avast, but I remember Mozilla was getting 300 million a year for have Google as the default search engine. I imagine Avast knows about everything on your computer, so Google does too. |
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AV spying. Surprised?
Mayayana wrote:
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/q...-investigation About Avast/AVG collecting detailed browsing history through their products and selling it to... just about everyone! Wild stuff. Then again, was there ever any reason to trust AV companies in a time when corporations are coming up with excuses why spying and selling personal data is "normal"? Even car companies are now claiming their customers have given them permission to spy on their driving. At least now we know what the Dark Web is. Paul |
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AV spying. Surprised?
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 20:02:49 -0500, Paul wrote:
At least now we know what the Dark Web is. The only "AV" I'm using, that I know of, is whatever Microsoft is doing with its default program, which I think is called Windows Defender. Do we know if Microsoft is selling _that_ data like Avast is? |
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AV spying. Surprised?
On 01/27/2020 06:39 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 20:02:49 -0500, Paul wrote: At least now we know what the Dark Web is. The only "AV" I'm using, that I know of, is whatever Microsoft is doing with its default program, which I think is called Windows Defender. Do we know if Microsoft is selling _that_ data like Avast is? No, Defender isn't sophisticated enough for the job. So microsoft is buying _that_ data. From AVAST!! Didn't you look at the article? "Its clients have included Home Depot, Google, Microsoft, Pepsi, and McKinsey." https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/q...-investigation |
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AV spying. Surprised?
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 18:39:28 -0500, Mayayana wrote:
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/q...-investigation About Avast/AVG collecting detailed browsing history through their products and selling it to... just about everyone! Wild stuff. Then again, was there ever any reason to trust AV companies in a time when corporations are coming up with excuses why spying and selling personal data is "normal"? Even car companies are now claiming their customers have given them permission to spy on their driving. This is why I always block programs from phoning home by default and only allow those which really them. |
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AV spying. Surprised?
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 18:39:28 -0500, Mayayana wrote:
Even car companies are now claiming their customers have given them permission to spy on their driving. Cite please? |
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AV spying. Surprised?
"JJ" wrote
| This is why I always block programs from phoning home by default and only | allow those which really them. Me, too. But that's the unique thing about AV. It has total control. It's routinely allowed to call home for large updates. And it's assumed to be in the role of protecting you from intrusion. |
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AV spying. Surprised?
"mechanic" wrote
| On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 18:39:28 -0500, Mayayana wrote: | | Even car companies are now claiming their customers have given | them permission to spy on their driving. | | Cite please? If you're actually interested you could have found out plenty with just a 5 minute search, rather than just demanding proof. Two links: https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...y-to-find-out/ From the article: -------------------------------------- GM's view, echoed by many other automakers, is that we gave them permission for all of this. "Nothing happens without customer consent," said GM's Caldwell. -------------------------------------- Here's a more general rundown of tracking from consumer-action.org: http://www.consumer-action.org/downl...eport_5-19.pdf I also have a collection of articles about location tracking and spying through TVs, cellphones, Akamai corporate webhosting, Amazon selling your shopping history, close monitoring of your in-store actions via bluetooth beacons on store shelves, and even dildos calling home. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03...ivacy_lawsuit/ It's often hard to find these things later, so I save interesting tech article as plain TXT files with the URL at the top. |
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AV spying. Surprised?
"Charlie+" wrote | No not surprised at all M! They are all at it in a massive way and have | been under the counter for years. Articles and books on the subject by | Professor Shoshana Zuboff. Subject: Surveillance Capitalism. I saw that somewhere. It must have been a book review. But it's taking a long time for people to catch on. Just yesterday my dentist was talking about buying groceries through Amazon. I said I've never bought from Amazon and find the whole thing too creepy. They own too much. He chuckled and said a lot of people say that to him, but that only 10% of shopping is online. I don't know where that figure comes from or whether it's true, but it's the typical logic that we all use when we don't want to deal with something: "Hey, you'll get skin cancer if you keep sitting out in the sun so much!" "Ach! I could get run over by a car easier. Should I stop driving?" |
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AV spying. Surprised?
On 28/01/2020 13:54, Mayayana wrote:
"JJ" wrote | This is why I always block programs from phoning home by default and only | allow those which really them. ---- Missing word?!!! Me, too. But that's the unique thing about AV. It has total control. It's routinely allowed to call home for large updates. And it's assumed to be in the role of protecting you from intrusion. That's a VERY interesting and telling comment, Mayayana! ;-) Would you care to elaborate? -- David 'acw' added. |
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[OT]AV spying. Surprised?
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 14:25:49 +0000, David
wrote: On 28/01/2020 13:54, Mayayana wrote: "JJ" wrote | This is why I always block programs from phoning home by default and only | allow those which really them. ---- Missing word?!!! Me, too. But that's the unique thing about AV. It has total control. It's routinely allowed to call home for large updates. And it's assumed to be in the role of protecting you from intrusion. That's a VERY interesting and telling comment, Mayayana! Would you care to elaborate? He did. Read his other posts. BTW, I agree with everything he said. 'acw' added. acw removed. Currently under attack by an insane troll and his script-bot. Thousands of senseless posts. Group is dead. BD is attempting to shift the bot to the Windows groups. It's what he does. --------------- BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to hide". I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request, rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!": http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php 64 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes! Google "David Brooks Devon" []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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AV spying. Surprised?
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 20:39:45 -0800, * mooo * wrote:
Didn't you look at the article? Well, we know Microsoft takes in "Cortana" data, so I wasn't sure about the Defender. I wonder why I haven't had a virus in so many years, I can't count them (of course, they could be hidden)? I don't use anything but the Microsoft default thing, and even then, only because I didn't try to figure out how to turn it off. |
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AV spying. Surprised?
"David" wrote
| It has total control. It's routinely allowed to call | home for large updates. And it's assumed to be | in the role of protecting you from intrusion. | | That's a VERY interesting and telling comment, Mayayana! ;-) | | Would you care to elaborate? ?? It's just fact. AV needs full control in orcer to protect. It's typical these days to issue several large updates per day. And the point of AV is to protect your system, no? |
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AV spying. Surprised?
On 29/01/2020 00:08, Mayayana wrote:
"David" wrote | It has total control. It's routinely allowed to call | home for large updates. And it's assumed to be | in the role of protecting you from intrusion. | | That's a VERY interesting and telling comment, Mayayana! ;-) | | Would you care to elaborate? ?? It's just fact. AV needs full control in order to protect. It's typical these days to issue several large updates per day. And the point of AV is to protect your system, no? What if the developer has 'gone rogue' and invited you to download and install a 'free trial' of AV software which is NOT designed to protect you? How would a layman ever know that such a programme was actually working *against* the users best interests? -- David |
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