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Old January 28th 20, 12:39 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/q...-investigation

About Avast/AVG collecting detailed browsing history through
their products and selling it to... just about everyone! Wild stuff.
Then again, was there ever any reason to trust AV companies
in a time when corporations are coming up with excuses why
spying and selling personal data is "normal"? Even car companies
are now claiming their customers have given them permission
to spy on their driving.


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Old January 28th 20, 12:50 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 18:39:28 -0500
"Mayayana" wrote:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/q...-investigation

About Avast/AVG collecting detailed browsing history through
their products and selling it to... just about everyone! Wild stuff.
Then again, was there ever any reason to trust AV companies
in a time when corporations are coming up with excuses why
spying and selling personal data is "normal"? Even car companies
are now claiming their customers have given them permission
to spy on their driving.



That's why I quit using it when I was using Windows 7. I found out
that every question asked in their support group was going straight to
Google.

You could ask a question, and then immediately search for that question
on Google and find it.

I don't know how much Google was paying Avast, but I remember Mozilla
was getting 300 million a year for have Google as the default search
engine.

I imagine Avast knows about everything on your computer, so Google
does too.

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Old January 28th 20, 02:02 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Mayayana wrote:
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/q...-investigation

About Avast/AVG collecting detailed browsing history through
their products and selling it to... just about everyone! Wild stuff.
Then again, was there ever any reason to trust AV companies
in a time when corporations are coming up with excuses why
spying and selling personal data is "normal"? Even car companies
are now claiming their customers have given them permission
to spy on their driving.


At least now we know what the Dark Web is.

Paul
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Old January 28th 20, 03:39 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 20:02:49 -0500, Paul wrote:

At least now we know what the Dark Web is.


The only "AV" I'm using, that I know of, is whatever Microsoft is doing
with its default program, which I think is called Windows Defender.

Do we know if Microsoft is selling _that_ data like Avast is?
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Old January 28th 20, 05:39 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 01/27/2020 06:39 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 20:02:49 -0500, Paul wrote:

At least now we know what the Dark Web is.


The only "AV" I'm using, that I know of, is whatever Microsoft is doing
with its default program, which I think is called Windows Defender.

Do we know if Microsoft is selling _that_ data like Avast is?


No, Defender isn't sophisticated enough for the job.
So microsoft is buying _that_ data. From AVAST!!

Didn't you look at the article?
"Its clients have included Home Depot, Google, Microsoft, Pepsi, and
McKinsey."

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/q...-investigation
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Old January 28th 20, 12:29 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 18:39:28 -0500, Mayayana wrote:
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/q...-investigation

About Avast/AVG collecting detailed browsing history through
their products and selling it to... just about everyone! Wild stuff.
Then again, was there ever any reason to trust AV companies
in a time when corporations are coming up with excuses why
spying and selling personal data is "normal"? Even car companies
are now claiming their customers have given them permission
to spy on their driving.


This is why I always block programs from phoning home by default and only
allow those which really them.
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Old January 28th 20, 12:48 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 18:39:28 -0500, Mayayana wrote:

Even car companies are now claiming their customers have given
them permission to spy on their driving.


Cite please?
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Old January 28th 20, 02:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"JJ" wrote

| This is why I always block programs from phoning home by default and only
| allow those which really them.

Me, too. But that's the unique thing about AV.
It has total control. It's routinely allowed to call
home for large updates. And it's assumed to be
in the role of protecting you from intrusion.


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Old January 28th 20, 03:12 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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"mechanic" wrote

| On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 18:39:28 -0500, Mayayana wrote:
|
| Even car companies are now claiming their customers have given
| them permission to spy on their driving.
|
| Cite please?

If you're actually interested you could have found out
plenty with just a 5 minute search, rather than just
demanding proof. Two links:

https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...y-to-find-out/

From the article:
--------------------------------------
GM's view, echoed by many other automakers, is that we gave them permission
for all of this. "Nothing happens without customer consent," said GM's
Caldwell.
--------------------------------------

Here's a more general rundown of tracking from
consumer-action.org:

http://www.consumer-action.org/downl...eport_5-19.pdf

I also have a collection of articles about location
tracking and spying through TVs, cellphones, Akamai
corporate webhosting, Amazon selling your shopping
history, close monitoring of your in-store actions via
bluetooth beacons on store shelves, and even dildos
calling home.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03...ivacy_lawsuit/

It's often hard to find these things later, so I save
interesting tech article as plain TXT files with the
URL at the top.


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Old January 28th 20, 03:20 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Charlie+" wrote

| No not surprised at all M! They are all at it in a massive way and have
| been under the counter for years. Articles and books on the subject by
| Professor Shoshana Zuboff. Subject: Surveillance Capitalism.

I saw that somewhere. It must have been a book
review. But it's taking a long time for people to
catch on. Just yesterday my dentist was talking about
buying groceries through Amazon. I said I've never bought
from Amazon and find the whole thing too creepy. They
own too much. He chuckled and said a lot of people say
that to him, but that only 10% of shopping is online.

I don't know where that figure comes from or whether
it's true, but it's the typical logic that we all use when
we don't want to deal with something:

"Hey, you'll get skin cancer if you keep sitting out in the
sun so much!"

"Ach! I could get run over by a car easier. Should I
stop driving?"


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Old January 28th 20, 03:25 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 28/01/2020 13:54, Mayayana wrote:
"JJ" wrote

| This is why I always block programs from phoning home by default and only
| allow those which really them. ---- Missing word?!!!

Me, too. But that's the unique thing about AV.
It has total control. It's routinely allowed to call
home for large updates. And it's assumed to be
in the role of protecting you from intrusion.


That's a VERY interesting and telling comment, Mayayana! ;-)

Would you care to elaborate?

--
David
'acw' added.

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Old January 28th 20, 05:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 14:25:49 +0000, David
wrote:

On 28/01/2020 13:54, Mayayana wrote:
"JJ" wrote

| This is why I always block programs from phoning home by default and only
| allow those which really them. ---- Missing word?!!!

Me, too. But that's the unique thing about AV.
It has total control. It's routinely allowed to call
home for large updates. And it's assumed to be
in the role of protecting you from intrusion.


That's a VERY interesting and telling comment, Mayayana!

Would you care to elaborate?


He did. Read his other posts.
BTW, I agree with everything he said.
'acw' added.


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It's what he does.

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Old January 28th 20, 06:07 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 20:39:45 -0800, * mooo * wrote:

Didn't you look at the article?


Well, we know Microsoft takes in "Cortana" data, so I wasn't sure about the
Defender.

I wonder why I haven't had a virus in so many years, I can't count them (of
course, they could be hidden)?

I don't use anything but the Microsoft default thing, and even then, only
because I didn't try to figure out how to turn it off.
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Old January 29th 20, 01:08 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
Mayayana
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"David" wrote

| It has total control. It's routinely allowed to call
| home for large updates. And it's assumed to be
| in the role of protecting you from intrusion.
|
| That's a VERY interesting and telling comment, Mayayana! ;-)
|
| Would you care to elaborate?

?? It's just fact. AV needs full control in orcer to
protect. It's typical these days to issue several
large updates per day. And the point of AV is to
protect your system, no?


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Old January 29th 20, 11:06 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 29/01/2020 00:08, Mayayana wrote:
"David" wrote

| It has total control. It's routinely allowed to call
| home for large updates. And it's assumed to be
| in the role of protecting you from intrusion.
|
| That's a VERY interesting and telling comment, Mayayana! ;-)
|
| Would you care to elaborate?

?? It's just fact. AV needs full control in order to
protect. It's typical these days to issue several
large updates per day. And the point of AV is to
protect your system, no?


What if the developer has 'gone rogue' and invited you to download
and install a 'free trial' of AV software which is NOT designed to
protect you?

How would a layman ever know that such a programme was actually working
*against* the users best interests?

--
David

 




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