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  #1  
Old January 29th 20, 08:46 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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I have a Dell XPS 8500, with Windows 7 Professional, SP1,
with Spywareblaster, Malwarebytes, Avast , Windows Defender
and Windows firewall.

(1) TB HD
Intel (R) Core (TM) i7-33-3770 CPU @ 3.40 GHz
Ram 12.0 GB
System type : 64-bit operating system

I also have

I have a Dell Optiplex 780 Tower, with Windows 7 Professional,
SP1, with Spywareblaster, Malwarebytes, Avast , Windows Defender
and Windows firewall.

Seagate Desktop HDD ST2000DM001 2TB 64MB
Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
System type : 64-bit operating system

and (external hard drives)

(8500)
WD BLACK SERIES WD2003FZEX 2TB 7200
RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal
Hard Drive

(780)
Seagate Desktop HDD ST2000DM001 2TB 64MB
Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
Internal Hard Drive

My question is this: recently on Fox news I've noticed
closed caption printing on the screen of what people are
saying even though when I checked my settings it shows that
it's turned off. Is there a way to stop this?

Thanks,
Robert
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Old January 29th 20, 11:17 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Robert in CA wrote:


My question is this: recently on Fox news I've noticed
closed caption printing on the screen of what people are
saying even though when I checked my settings it shows that
it's turned off. Is there a way to stop this?

Thanks,
Robert


I can see what you're referring to.

I use a Chrome-alike browser (SRWare Iron) to play videos,
as the other browsers are less likely to enable the plugin
for them.

First I used the controls in the player wrapper ("Akamai Player")
to enable Closed Captioning.

https://i.postimg.cc/SRz7pWNx/subtitles.gif

However, with the setting returned to the Off position,
depending on whether the "controls" make an appearance or
not on the screen, I can still see closed captions off to the
side of the screen (lower-left corner of video player).

In Chrome, it appears the DOM storage is files like this.

C:\Documents and Settings\User Name\Local Settings\Application Data\
Chromium\User Data\Default\Local Storage

01/29/2020 0 https_www.foxnews.com_0.localstorage-journal
01/29/2020 196,608 https_www.foxnews.com_0.localstorage

01/29/2020 0 https_video.foxnews.com_0.localstorage-journal
01/29/2020 28,672 https_video.foxnews.com_0.localstorage

01/29/2020 0 https_static.foxnews.com_0.localstorage-journal
01/29/2020 13,312 https_static.foxnews.com_0.localstorage

Each localstorage file is in "sqlite3" format. I can dump them to
text with

sqlite3.exe some.localstorage .dump

and get some text. But the UTF8 information in the file is stored
as a binary blob with hex, requiring the writing of a translation
script.

Not that this is important of course :-)

The workaround for my Chrome-alike browser, was to shut down the
browser, make sure it wasn't running in Task Manager, and move
those files out of the "Local Storage" folder, so that the browser
needs to start new files when it visits foxnews.com again.

When I did that, the default of "No Captions" seemed to apply
and everything was fine again.

*******

So now the question is, where is the storage for that in Firefox ?

I had trouble with my Windows 10 virtual machine (too much blinkin
and flashing and fapping about). I suspect the area needing surgery
is similar to this. But, I'm running out of patience with this
crap, so you'll have to play with it yourself. I spent more than
*an hour* on this, even made a lunch for myself, in the hopes
it would settle down, but I eventually had to just kill the VM
and move on.

F:\Users\UserName\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\ Profiles\wxxxyyyz.default-1234512345987\storage\default

https+++www.youtube.com\ directory and all...

On another setup, and older software, I was able to delete
everything with +++ in it, but that's not a good idea
in this case. You'd spot the "+++" items with foxnews
in the name of the directory and delete those to erase
the settings it's keeping.

Paul
  #3  
Old January 29th 20, 11:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 2:17:23 AM UTC-8, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:


My question is this: recently on Fox news I've noticed
closed caption printing on the screen of what people are
saying even though when I checked my settings it shows that
it's turned off. Is there a way to stop this?

Thanks,
Robert


I can see what you're referring to.

I use a Chrome-alike browser (SRWare Iron) to play videos,
as the other browsers are less likely to enable the plugin
for them.

First I used the controls in the player wrapper ("Akamai Player")
to enable Closed Captioning.

https://i.postimg.cc/SRz7pWNx/subtitles.gif

However, with the setting returned to the Off position,
depending on whether the "controls" make an appearance or
not on the screen, I can still see closed captions off to the
side of the screen (lower-left corner of video player).

In Chrome, it appears the DOM storage is files like this.

C:\Documents and Settings\User Name\Local Settings\Application Data\
Chromium\User Data\Default\Local Storage

01/29/2020 0 https_www.foxnews.com_0.localstorage-journal
01/29/2020 196,608 https_www.foxnews.com_0.localstorage

01/29/2020 0 https_video.foxnews.com_0.localstorage-journal
01/29/2020 28,672 https_video.foxnews.com_0.localstorage

01/29/2020 0 https_static.foxnews.com_0.localstorage-journal
01/29/2020 13,312 https_static.foxnews.com_0.localstorage

Each localstorage file is in "sqlite3" format. I can dump them to
text with

sqlite3.exe some.localstorage .dump

and get some text. But the UTF8 information in the file is stored
as a binary blob with hex, requiring the writing of a translation
script.

Not that this is important of course :-)

The workaround for my Chrome-alike browser, was to shut down the
browser, make sure it wasn't running in Task Manager, and move
those files out of the "Local Storage" folder, so that the browser
needs to start new files when it visits foxnews.com again.

When I did that, the default of "No Captions" seemed to apply
and everything was fine again.

*******

So now the question is, where is the storage for that in Firefox ?

I had trouble with my Windows 10 virtual machine (too much blinkin
and flashing and fapping about). I suspect the area needing surgery
is similar to this. But, I'm running out of patience with this
crap, so you'll have to play with it yourself. I spent more than
*an hour* on this, even made a lunch for myself, in the hopes
it would settle down, but I eventually had to just kill the VM
and move on.

F:\Users\UserName\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\ Profiles\wxxxyyyz.default-1234512345987\storage\default

https+++www.youtube.com\ directory and all...

On another setup, and older software, I was able to delete
everything with +++ in it, but that's not a good idea
in this case. You'd spot the "+++" items with foxnews
in the name of the directory and delete those to erase
the settings it's keeping.

Paul




The weird thing is that this just started
yesterday before that everything was fine.

I've already tried to remove it but was
unsecessful which is why I posted the problem
but if you can't resolve it then it's best I
leave well enough alone and live with it.


Thanks,
Robert
  #4  
Old January 30th 20, 12:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 2:17:23 AM UTC-8, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:


My question is this: recently on Fox news I've noticed
closed caption printing on the screen of what people are
saying even though when I checked my settings it shows that
it's turned off. Is there a way to stop this?

Thanks,
Robert


I can see what you're referring to.

I use a Chrome-alike browser (SRWare Iron) to play videos,
as the other browsers are less likely to enable the plugin
for them.

First I used the controls in the player wrapper ("Akamai Player")
to enable Closed Captioning.

https://i.postimg.cc/SRz7pWNx/subtitles.gif

However, with the setting returned to the Off position,
depending on whether the "controls" make an appearance or
not on the screen, I can still see closed captions off to the
side of the screen (lower-left corner of video player).

In Chrome, it appears the DOM storage is files like this.

C:\Documents and Settings\User Name\Local Settings\Application Data\
Chromium\User Data\Default\Local Storage

01/29/2020 0 https_www.foxnews.com_0.localstorage-journal
01/29/2020 196,608 https_www.foxnews.com_0.localstorage

01/29/2020 0 https_video.foxnews.com_0.localstorage-journal
01/29/2020 28,672 https_video.foxnews.com_0.localstorage

01/29/2020 0 https_static.foxnews.com_0.localstorage-journal
01/29/2020 13,312 https_static.foxnews.com_0.localstorage

Each localstorage file is in "sqlite3" format. I can dump them to
text with

sqlite3.exe some.localstorage .dump

and get some text. But the UTF8 information in the file is stored
as a binary blob with hex, requiring the writing of a translation
script.

Not that this is important of course :-)

The workaround for my Chrome-alike browser, was to shut down the
browser, make sure it wasn't running in Task Manager, and move
those files out of the "Local Storage" folder, so that the browser
needs to start new files when it visits foxnews.com again.

When I did that, the default of "No Captions" seemed to apply
and everything was fine again.

*******

So now the question is, where is the storage for that in Firefox ?

I had trouble with my Windows 10 virtual machine (too much blinkin
and flashing and fapping about). I suspect the area needing surgery
is similar to this. But, I'm running out of patience with this
crap, so you'll have to play with it yourself. I spent more than
*an hour* on this, even made a lunch for myself, in the hopes
it would settle down, but I eventually had to just kill the VM
and move on.

F:\Users\UserName\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\ Profiles\wxxxyyyz.default-1234512345987\storage\default

https+++www.youtube.com\ directory and all...

On another setup, and older software, I was able to delete
everything with +++ in it, but that's not a good idea
in this case. You'd spot the "+++" items with foxnews
in the name of the directory and delete those to erase
the settings it's keeping.

Paul




Here's a screenshot of my settings which
shows I have it set to off but it still
visible.

https://postimg.cc/CZq3bGH6

Robert
  #5  
Old January 30th 20, 01:52 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Robert in CA wrote:



On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 2:17:23 AM UTC-8, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

My question is this: recently on Fox news I've noticed
closed caption printing on the screen of what people are
saying even though when I checked my settings it shows that
it's turned off. Is there a way to stop this?

Thanks,
Robert

I can see what you're referring to.

I use a Chrome-alike browser (SRWare Iron) to play videos,
as the other browsers are less likely to enable the plugin
for them.

First I used the controls in the player wrapper ("Akamai Player")
to enable Closed Captioning.

https://i.postimg.cc/SRz7pWNx/subtitles.gif

However, with the setting returned to the Off position,
depending on whether the "controls" make an appearance or
not on the screen, I can still see closed captions off to the
side of the screen (lower-left corner of video player).

In Chrome, it appears the DOM storage is files like this.

C:\Documents and Settings\User Name\Local Settings\Application Data\
Chromium\User Data\Default\Local Storage

01/29/2020 0 https_www.foxnews.com_0.localstorage-journal
01/29/2020 196,608 https_www.foxnews.com_0.localstorage

01/29/2020 0 https_video.foxnews.com_0.localstorage-journal
01/29/2020 28,672 https_video.foxnews.com_0.localstorage

01/29/2020 0 https_static.foxnews.com_0.localstorage-journal
01/29/2020 13,312 https_static.foxnews.com_0.localstorage

Each localstorage file is in "sqlite3" format. I can dump them to
text with

sqlite3.exe some.localstorage .dump

and get some text. But the UTF8 information in the file is stored
as a binary blob with hex, requiring the writing of a translation
script.

Not that this is important of course :-)

The workaround for my Chrome-alike browser, was to shut down the
browser, make sure it wasn't running in Task Manager, and move
those files out of the "Local Storage" folder, so that the browser
needs to start new files when it visits foxnews.com again.

When I did that, the default of "No Captions" seemed to apply
and everything was fine again.

*******

So now the question is, where is the storage for that in Firefox ?

I had trouble with my Windows 10 virtual machine (too much blinkin
and flashing and fapping about). I suspect the area needing surgery
is similar to this. But, I'm running out of patience with this
crap, so you'll have to play with it yourself. I spent more than
*an hour* on this, even made a lunch for myself, in the hopes
it would settle down, but I eventually had to just kill the VM
and move on.

F:\Users\UserName\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\ Profiles\wxxxyyyz.default-1234512345987\storage\default

https+++www.youtube.com\ directory and all...

On another setup, and older software, I was able to delete
everything with +++ in it, but that's not a good idea
in this case. You'd spot the "+++" items with foxnews
in the name of the directory and delete those to erase
the settings it's keeping.

Paul




Here's a screenshot of my settings which
shows I have it set to off but it still
visible.

https://postimg.cc/CZq3bGH6

Robert


If you're using Firefox, see if you can spot some directories
with +++ in the directory name. You would be looking for a
couple with "+++" and "foxnews" as components of the name.
I think the setting is in there. I believe that's DOM storage
on Firefox. It's the "new cookie" as it were, a bucket for
websites to abuse.

Paul


  #6  
Old January 30th 20, 05:29 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 4:52:16 PM UTC-8, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:



On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 2:17:23 AM UTC-8, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

My question is this: recently on Fox news I've noticed
closed caption printing on the screen of what people are
saying even though when I checked my settings it shows that
it's turned off. Is there a way to stop this?

Thanks,
Robert
I can see what you're referring to.

I use a Chrome-alike browser (SRWare Iron) to play videos,
as the other browsers are less likely to enable the plugin
for them.

First I used the controls in the player wrapper ("Akamai Player")
to enable Closed Captioning.

https://i.postimg.cc/SRz7pWNx/subtitles.gif

However, with the setting returned to the Off position,
depending on whether the "controls" make an appearance or
not on the screen, I can still see closed captions off to the
side of the screen (lower-left corner of video player).

In Chrome, it appears the DOM storage is files like this.

C:\Documents and Settings\User Name\Local Settings\Application Data\
Chromium\User Data\Default\Local Storage

01/29/2020 0 https_www.foxnews.com_0.localstorage-journal
01/29/2020 196,608 https_www.foxnews.com_0.localstorage

01/29/2020 0 https_video.foxnews.com_0.localstorage-journal
01/29/2020 28,672 https_video.foxnews.com_0.localstorage

01/29/2020 0 https_static.foxnews.com_0.localstorage-journal
01/29/2020 13,312 https_static.foxnews.com_0.localstorage

Each localstorage file is in "sqlite3" format. I can dump them to
text with

sqlite3.exe some.localstorage .dump

and get some text. But the UTF8 information in the file is stored
as a binary blob with hex, requiring the writing of a translation
script.

Not that this is important of course :-)

The workaround for my Chrome-alike browser, was to shut down the
browser, make sure it wasn't running in Task Manager, and move
those files out of the "Local Storage" folder, so that the browser
needs to start new files when it visits foxnews.com again.

When I did that, the default of "No Captions" seemed to apply
and everything was fine again.

*******

So now the question is, where is the storage for that in Firefox ?

I had trouble with my Windows 10 virtual machine (too much blinkin
and flashing and fapping about). I suspect the area needing surgery
is similar to this. But, I'm running out of patience with this
crap, so you'll have to play with it yourself. I spent more than
*an hour* on this, even made a lunch for myself, in the hopes
it would settle down, but I eventually had to just kill the VM
and move on.

F:\Users\UserName\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\ Profiles\wxxxyyyz.default-1234512345987\storage\default

https+++www.youtube.com\ directory and all...

On another setup, and older software, I was able to delete
everything with +++ in it, but that's not a good idea
in this case. You'd spot the "+++" items with foxnews
in the name of the directory and delete those to erase
the settings it's keeping.

Paul




Here's a screenshot of my settings which
shows I have it set to off but it still
visible.

https://postimg.cc/CZq3bGH6

Robert


If you're using Firefox, see if you can spot some directories
with +++ in the directory name. You would be looking for a
couple with "+++" and "foxnews" as components of the name.
I think the setting is in there. I believe that's DOM storage
on Firefox. It's the "new cookie" as it were, a bucket for
websites to abuse.

Paul


That's a little bit beyond me. I
guess I'll just have to live with
it but why have a setting/feature that
doesn't work when you set it to off?

Robert
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Old January 30th 20, 05:46 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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I tried using Agent Ransack with foxnews as
the file name and +++ as containing text but
it found nothing. Perhaps I'm doing it wrong?

Robert
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Old January 30th 20, 12:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_7_]
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In message ,
Robert in CA writes:


I tried using Agent Ransack with foxnews as
the file name and +++ as containing text but
it found nothing. Perhaps I'm doing it wrong?

Robert


Just try searching (Everything will do it a lot quicker and simpler) for
files/folders with +++ _in their name_. I have 334 of them - about a
third are _files_ in my recycle bin, the rest _folders_ - for example
C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefo x\Profiles\profile.de
fault\storage\persistent\https+++www.ancestry.com (that one from 2018).
The "+++" replaces "://".
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Q. How much is 2 + 2?
A. Thank you so much for asking your question.
Are you still having this problem? I'll be delighted to help you. Please
restate the problem twice and include your Windows version along with
all error logs.
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Old January 30th 20, 06:56 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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I scanned as you suggested and it came back
with page after page after page and it was
only 1/4 completed when I stopped it because
I have no idea what I'm looking for and even if
I did I wouldn't know what to do to resolve the
problem.


https://postimg.cc/hQRMjG5H

Thanks,
Robert
  #10  
Old January 30th 20, 07:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Robert in CA wrote:
I scanned as you suggested and it came back
with page after page after page and it was
only 1/4 completed when I stopped it because
I have no idea what I'm looking for and even if
I did I wouldn't know what to do to resolve the
problem.


https://postimg.cc/hQRMjG5H

Thanks,
Robert


You put the search term in the wrong box.

We're looking for directories with "+++" in the name. Which
goes in the upper box.

The middle box is if you wanted to search every text file
contents for +++ in sentences or something.

Generally, when I do filename/directory name searches for
"+++", only browser DOM storage shows up.

Then, you want to find just the items with "foxnews" in the
name as well.

Deleting the folders with "+++" as well as "foxnews" in
the same directory name, should reset that preference so
it stops doing that.

Paul
  #11  
Old February 1st 20, 05:21 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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I was expecting to find video.foxnews.com as well as
just www.foxnews.com. Whatever wraps the video (the Akamai viewer),
needs DOM storage somewhere.



I went back and checked again looking
for video.foxnews and there was another
entry for Fox or it's the same one that
came back somehow as if it's in a loop
and returns after booting?

https://postimg.cc/dkmfxpy1

I deleted it but with the same results
and I did not find a video.foxnews. I
guess I just have to live with it.

Thanks,
Robert
  #12  
Old February 1st 20, 09:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Robert in CA wrote:
I was expecting to find video.foxnews.com as well as
just www.foxnews.com. Whatever wraps the video (the Akamai viewer),
needs DOM storage somewhere.



I went back and checked again looking
for video.foxnews and there was another
entry for Fox or it's the same one that
came back somehow as if it's in a loop
and returns after booting?

https://postimg.cc/dkmfxpy1

I deleted it but with the same results
and I did not find a video.foxnews. I
guess I just have to live with it.

Thanks,
Robert


There are other methods, but they wouldn't be as much fun.

You could use sysinternals.com ProcMon, start collecting a
trace and see what file is accessed by the browser, when
you turn the Closed Caption in the player ON and OFF.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...nloads/procmon

The problem with that, is ProcMon collects a large amount
of data. You can stop data collection by unticking the tickmark
under the File menu item when you're finished and you think the
"turning ON and OFF" has been captured. But then you have to decide what
event filter makes the "most efficient" result from the trace,
such as WriteFile perhaps. Then, collect up all the resulting
stuff, save as .CSV (comma separated variable for spreadsheets),
then use some other tools to find references to foxnews.

Only occasionally when I go on a mission like that, am I
successful in isolating just the element I want. I found
a registry error once by going through around 100,000
entries :-/ Not something I particularly want to repeat.

Pluses: The answer might be in there

Minuses: Needle in a haystack

And I'm only recommending this, if your browser seems to be
doing something different than mine. Which is possible, as
we could be using different browser versions and they may have
mucked about with stuff.

Also, there's no reason the foxnews webpage served to me,
has to be identical to the one served to you. I know that
once they geolocate me to Canada, they salt the web page
with some "sucker" Canadian articles. Like maybe my
Prime Minister making a fool of himself. The pages aren't
likely to be identical in that sense.

I don't see a reason for them to be using Akamai player
in Canada and BrightCove in the USA, but there is always
the possibility you're seeing different things than I am.

In which case, ProcMon analysis is the "last option" for
narrowing down the troublemaker file.

Paul
  #13  
Old February 1st 20, 04:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 12:09:52 AM UTC-8, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
I was expecting to find video.foxnews.com as well as
just www.foxnews.com. Whatever wraps the video (the Akamai viewer),
needs DOM storage somewhere.



I went back and checked again looking
for video.foxnews and there was another
entry for Fox or it's the same one that
came back somehow as if it's in a loop
and returns after booting?

https://postimg.cc/dkmfxpy1

I deleted it but with the same results
and I did not find a video.foxnews. I
guess I just have to live with it.

Thanks,
Robert


There are other methods, but they wouldn't be as much fun.

You could use sysinternals.com ProcMon, start collecting a
trace and see what file is accessed by the browser, when
you turn the Closed Caption in the player ON and OFF.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...nloads/procmon

The problem with that, is ProcMon collects a large amount
of data. You can stop data collection by unticking the tickmark
under the File menu item when you're finished and you think the
"turning ON and OFF" has been captured. But then you have to decide what
event filter makes the "most efficient" result from the trace,
such as WriteFile perhaps. Then, collect up all the resulting
stuff, save as .CSV (comma separated variable for spreadsheets),
then use some other tools to find references to foxnews.

Only occasionally when I go on a mission like that, am I
successful in isolating just the element I want. I found
a registry error once by going through around 100,000
entries :-/ Not something I particularly want to repeat.

Pluses: The answer might be in there

Minuses: Needle in a haystack

And I'm only recommending this, if your browser seems to be
doing something different than mine. Which is possible, as
we could be using different browser versions and they may have
mucked about with stuff.

Also, there's no reason the foxnews webpage served to me,
has to be identical to the one served to you. I know that
once they geolocate me to Canada, they salt the web page
with some "sucker" Canadian articles. Like maybe my
Prime Minister making a fool of himself. The pages aren't
likely to be identical in that sense.

I don't see a reason for them to be using Akamai player
in Canada and BrightCove in the USA, but there is always
the possibility you're seeing different things than I am.

In which case, ProcMon analysis is the "last option" for
narrowing down the troublemaker file.

Paul




As I said, I'll just have to live with it. I'm not
interested in looking for a needle in a haystack.

Thanks,
Robert
 




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