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Boycott Vista in the UK!
C A Upsdell wrote:
Gordon wrote: "Gordon" wrote in message ... According to this BBC page http://www.microsoft.com/uk/press/executives/ users in the Uk are going to be ripped off yet again by being charged DOUBLE the prices charged in USA. Let's boycott Vista in the UK until this rip-off culture stops. Perhaps MS is keeping the excess in reserve to pay future EU fines. Coping with bureaucratic idiocies is part of doing business in Europe. Yeh, what a pain in the ass when a government tries to protect the consumer. The same goes for protecting the environment. The damn governments should keep their noses out of that and leave it to the benevolent corporations to look after things. Cheers. -- "Computer users around the globe recognize that the most serious threats to security exist because of inherent weaknesses in the Microsoft operating system." McAfee |
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Boycott Vista in the UK!
"Gordon" wrote in message ... According to this BBC page http://www.microsoft.com/uk/press/executives/ users in the Uk are going to be ripped off yet again by being charged DOUBLE the prices charged in USA. Let's boycott Vista in the UK until this rip-off culture stops. That will teach the EEC to slap a fine on MS :-) |
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Gordon wrote: "Eric" wrote in message ... I hear the price of a German car is higher in the US than in Germany. What's up with that? So don't buy a German car. there's plenty of other choices. Microsoft's actions over the last 15 years have ensured there IS no other choice for the vast majority of people - it's called "monopoly"..... Interesting concept. A free operating system, against a operating system you have to pay for, equals no choice. |
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Boycott Vista in the UK!
"Bob I" wrote in message
... Gordon wrote: "Eric" wrote in message ... I hear the price of a German car is higher in the US than in Germany. What's up with that? So don't buy a German car. there's plenty of other choices. Microsoft's actions over the last 15 years have ensured there IS no other choice for the vast majority of people - it's called "monopoly"..... Interesting concept. A free operating system, against a operating system you have to pay for, equals no choice. Certainly up until recently, yes. Microsoft's actions ensured that OEMs, which is where the vast majority of machines are sold, would suffer drastic financial penalties if they sold machines with either no OS or a competing one..... |
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Boycott Vista in the UK!
Gordon wrote: "Bob I" wrote in message ... Gordon wrote: "Eric" wrote in message ... I hear the price of a German car is higher in the US than in Germany. What's up with that? So don't buy a German car. there's plenty of other choices. Microsoft's actions over the last 15 years have ensured there IS no other choice for the vast majority of people - it's called "monopoly"..... Interesting concept. A free operating system, against a operating system you have to pay for, equals no choice. Certainly up until recently, yes. Microsoft's actions ensured that OEMs, which is where the vast majority of machines are sold, would suffer drastic financial penalties if they sold machines with either no OS or a competing one..... Actually, the OEM's were eligible for greater discounts based on the various conditions contained in their agreements. "Penalties" is implying that they had to pay additional sums. |
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Eric wrote: "Gordon" wrote in message ... According to this BBC page http://www.microsoft.com/uk/press/executives/ users in the Uk are going to be ripped off yet again by being charged DOUBLE the prices charged in USA. Let's boycott Vista in the UK until this rip-off culture stops. PS - if anyone has an email address for the Sales Director of MS UK I would like to know so that I can ask him to comment on this. I hear the price of a German car is higher in the US than in Germany. What's up with that? I hear those crazy people want us to pay shipping and import expenses too. I hear we pay $70 in the US for a jacket they can get for $5 in S Korea. What's up with that? If you don't like the price they charge in your country, come to our country and buy it and take it back with you. If they charge $99 here and 99 pounds there, be sure to file another complaint if the value of a dollar exceeds the value of the pound. Make sure you factor in the cost to get the product from here to there, as well as the additional regulations costs to Microsoft to operate in Europe. Either all the above or learn about duties and shipping costs. You might also think about what happens to a company if they don't make a profit and pay employees! I.e. THINK! |
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"Bob I" wrote in message
... Gordon wrote: "Bob I" wrote in message ... Gordon wrote: "Eric" wrote in message ... I hear the price of a German car is higher in the US than in Germany. What's up with that? So don't buy a German car. there's plenty of other choices. Microsoft's actions over the last 15 years have ensured there IS no other choice for the vast majority of people - it's called "monopoly"..... Interesting concept. A free operating system, against a operating system you have to pay for, equals no choice. Certainly up until recently, yes. Microsoft's actions ensured that OEMs, which is where the vast majority of machines are sold, would suffer drastic financial penalties if they sold machines with either no OS or a competing one..... Actually, the OEM's were eligible for greater discounts based on the various conditions contained in their agreements. "Penalties" is implying that they had to pay additional sums. Well I suppose you /could/ look at it as a withdrawing of discount - either way it would have had a drastic impact on the bottom line - and that would have happened if they had sold just ONE machine..... |
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"Gordon" wrote in message ... "Eric" wrote in message ... I hear the price of a German car is higher in the US than in Germany. What's up with that? So don't buy a German car. there's plenty of other choices. Microsoft's actions over the last 15 years have ensured there IS no other choice for the vast majority of people - it's called "monopoly"..... There are other choices. You don't have to buy Vista. You can buy a Mac, or a PC with an old OS or none at all. You can still run Windows 95/98/ME/2K/XP. You can run Linux. You can write your own OS. (I bet it will take more than 200 pounds worth of your time) How many more options do you need? Again, did you factor in shipping costs? did you figure in the expense amount of legislation against MS in Europe? would you complain if they simply didn't bother to convert ($99 vs 99 pounds), if the dollar value was equal to or greater than a pound? would it help if you just go convert some of your pounds into dollars before trying to buy it? do your internet purchases have to be in pounds? |
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Gordon wrote:
"Bob I" wrote in message ... Gordon wrote: "Bob I" wrote in message ... Gordon wrote: "Eric" wrote in message .. . I hear the price of a German car is higher in the US than in Germany. What's up with that? So don't buy a German car. there's plenty of other choices. Microsoft's actions over the last 15 years have ensured there IS no other choice for the vast majority of people - it's called "monopoly"..... Interesting concept. A free operating system, against a operating system you have to pay for, equals no choice. Certainly up until recently, yes. Microsoft's actions ensured that OEMs, which is where the vast majority of machines are sold, would suffer drastic financial penalties if they sold machines with either no OS or a competing one..... Actually, the OEM's were eligible for greater discounts based on the various conditions contained in their agreements. "Penalties" is implying that they had to pay additional sums. Well I suppose you /could/ look at it as a withdrawing of discount - either way it would have had a drastic impact on the bottom line - and that would have happened if they had sold just ONE machine..... So, you agree that OEMs did it to gain a financial advantage over their competitors. |
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"Eric" wrote in message
... Again, did you factor in shipping costs? Apparently XP CDs were pressed in Ireland - so I expect the Vista ones will be as well. So shipping costs = negligible.... |
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Eric wrote:
did you figure in the expense amount of legislation against MS in Europe? What does that have to do with the end user? Did the end user fine MS? Can you provide one credible source for this speculation or are you just making it up as you go along? Alias |
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Boycott Vista in the UK!
"Bob I" wrote in message
... Gordon wrote: "Bob I" wrote in message ... Gordon wrote: "Bob I" wrote in message ... Gordon wrote: "Eric" wrote in message . .. I hear the price of a German car is higher in the US than in Germany. What's up with that? So don't buy a German car. there's plenty of other choices. Microsoft's actions over the last 15 years have ensured there IS no other choice for the vast majority of people - it's called "monopoly"..... Interesting concept. A free operating system, against a operating system you have to pay for, equals no choice. Certainly up until recently, yes. Microsoft's actions ensured that OEMs, which is where the vast majority of machines are sold, would suffer drastic financial penalties if they sold machines with either no OS or a competing one..... Actually, the OEM's were eligible for greater discounts based on the various conditions contained in their agreements. "Penalties" is implying that they had to pay additional sums. Well I suppose you /could/ look at it as a withdrawing of discount - either way it would have had a drastic impact on the bottom line - and that would have happened if they had sold just ONE machine..... So, you agree that OEMs did it to gain a financial advantage over their competitors. No, OEMs were shanghied into it by MS..... the way it worked was like this: OEM to MS: We would like to sell Windows OS on our PCs MS to OEM: Fine - we will sell you OEM licences as long as you agree to take far more than you need, but at a ridiculously low price. IF however, you deign to sell just one machine with either no OS or a competing one (ie Linux) then that ridiculously low price suddenly becomes ridiculously LARGE.....and you must still buy all the licences you contracted to buy.... That is why, up until recently, it was impossible to buy a machine from any of the large OEMs with either no OS or one other than Windows... |
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Eric wrote:
"Gordon" wrote in message ... "Eric" wrote in message ... I hear the price of a German car is higher in the US than in Germany. What's up with that? So don't buy a German car. there's plenty of other choices. Microsoft's actions over the last 15 years have ensured there IS no other choice for the vast majority of people - it's called "monopoly"..... There are other choices. You don't have to buy Vista. Don't worry, I won't until it has at least SP2, if then. You can buy a Mac, Cost prohibitive, especially when you already have a decent computer. or a PC with an old OS or none at all. How does one run a PC with "none at all"? You can still run Windows 95/98/ME/2K/XP. I do run XP. You can run Linux. I run that too. You can write your own OS. (I bet it will take more than 200 pounds worth of your time) Now you're being silly. How many more options do you need? Again, did you factor in shipping costs? Negligible as they are pressed in Ireland. did you figure in the expense amount of legislation against MS in Europe? Not applicable. would you complain if they simply didn't bother to convert ($99 vs 99 pounds), if the dollar value was equal to or greater than a pound? With Bush's fiscal and warring policies, that will never happen. would it help if you just go convert some of your pounds into dollars before trying to buy it? What and pay the currency conversion on top of the high price for Vista? do your internet purchases have to be in pounds? Yes, they do. The major companies like MS, Adobe, etc., now configure their web sites to know where you are from and will not let you buy anything in dollars unless, of course, you're in the USA. Alias |
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"Bob I" wrote in message ... So, you agree that OEMs did it to gain a financial advantage over their competitors. The only competitors left that I'm aware of for MS would be Mac or Linux. OEM price discount is a gift from MS to hardware vendors who go through the trouble of installing the MS OS on their hardware for sale as a package deal to have systems that users can take out of a box, plug in, turn on, and start using. Having the OS already installed gives users a reason to buy the MS OS rather than looking for Linux. Having the loyal customer base with IBM machines who grow attached to their machines and want to stick with the same machine type when they upgrade gives MS an edge over Mac, even if Macs can now run IBM software. MS is not the only company to use such methods. Just look at XM satellite radio. It comes pre-installed on certain vehicles, and to switch to a different satellite radio requires different hardware. |
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Boycott Vista in the UK!
"Eric" wrote in message
... OEM price discount is a gift from MS to hardware vendors who go through the trouble of installing the MS OS on their hardware for sale as a package deal to have systems that users can take out of a box, plug in, turn on, and start using. BWAHAHAHAHA! You realy have got MS right up your backside, haven't you! OEM price discount is NOT a "gift" it was a very effective method of ensuring that OEMs did NOT sell any machines with either no OS or a non-windows OS! Why do you think that up until recently it was impossible to buy a machine from an OEM with no OS on it at all? Surely THAT wouldn't hurt MS, now would it? |
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