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Robert in CA writes: no I don't own a voltmeter,.. I have a spare 2025 battery. [] I think the computer cell (originally, a battery was two or more cells, but that distinction seems to have been lost years ago) is likely to be a CR2032, not a 2025. The latter is thinner, but the same voltage (one cell - somewhat over 3V when new), so if you can make it fit (e. g. with a coin), it'll work - just not for as long as it has less capacity. For anyone brought up on the confusing and apparently random names for batteries - PP9, PP3, U2, HP14, baby, mignon, D, C, AA, AAA (yes, there is F - though I've often wondered what happened to B and A!) - the CR series are logically named: the 2032 (by far the commonest) is 20mm diameter, 3.2mm thick; the others in the series are the 2025 and the 2016, and you can guess what their dimensions are. (I'm not sure about the CR part stands for - maybe it means cell, round?) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf At the age of 7, Julia Elizabeth Wells could sing notes only dogs could hear. |
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Robert in CA wrote:
On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 2:30:49 PM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote: I replaced the battery,.. and how to restore defaults on the boot sequence: https://postimg.cc/B8CjbtmD Nothing has worked up to now so I tried to do a system resto https://postimg.cc/Vd6sBDDJ That doesn't even function. It doesn't seem were ever going to get the Win7 OS back. I learned my lesson the hard way, never un-tick Win 7 again. Robert I meant I had to restore the defaults. When you attempt to boot Macrium on the 780, in the Popup Boot screen F12, don't forget to look for the "Press any key" prompt near the bottom of the list-of-options area, so that the Macrium will boot. The OS disk will boot instead, if you don't "Press the any key" within five seconds or so. Paul |
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[] I think the computer cell (originally, a battery was two or more cells, but that distinction seems to have been lost years ago) is likely to be a CR2032, not a 2025. The latter is thinner, but the same voltage (one cell - somewhat over 3V when new), so if you can make it fit (e. g. with a coin), it'll work - just not for as long as it has less capacity. For anyone brought up on the confusing and apparently random names for batteries - PP9, PP3, U2, HP14, baby, mignon, D, C, AA, AAA (yes, there is F - though I've often wondered what happened to B and A!) - the CR series are logically named: the 2032 (by far the commonest) is 20mm diameter, 3.2mm thick; the others in the series are the 2025 and the 2016, and you can guess what their dimensions are. (I'm not sure about the CR part stands for - maybe it means cell, round?) -- I just happened to have a 2025 and I used what I had. Robert |
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I was shocked to see all those unknown devices
and unchecked boxes myself. I did reset the date/time it was set to 4 years ago! Bear in mind this isn't even the original HD that came with the 780. The original HD had a 750GB HD and I replaced it with a 2TB Seagate. https://www.staples.com/DELL-780-Tow...akamai-feo=off I'm not risking the 8500 for the sake of (1) HD for the 780. Especially when I have a good spare HD I can put back in the 780 and end all of this. There is no way I will ever risk the 8500 for the 780 it's suppose to work the other way around. The 8500 is my primary computer and the 780 is the backup. If I can create the Macrium Restore on the 8500 then I should be able to do the same with the good 780 HD correct? Otherwise, I will put back the good HD in the 780 and store the bad Win7 HD. Maybe I can write Win10 over it? The Windows activation message returned. I think that's my best option at this point and certainly have nothing to loose. They offer upgrading to Win7 Installing a custom version and re-installing Windows However it says I need a Windows installation disc and my product key I have the product key but don't have a Win7 installation disk. All I have is a System repair Windows 7 64 bit dated 10-17-13 and a Win 7 Pro master disc. https://postimg.cc/3W38RC6Z https://postimg.cc/K13FV9km https://postimg.cc/5YgMvTGS https://postimg.cc/q6qWKR2p Robert |
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I checked and the installation disc I have
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I checked and the only installation disc I have is for XP. Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
I was shocked to see all those unknown devices and unchecked boxes myself. I did reset the date/time it was set to 4 years ago! Bear in mind this isn't even the original HD that came with the 780. The original HD had a 750GB HD and I replaced it with a 2TB Seagate. https://www.staples.com/DELL-780-Tow...akamai-feo=off I'm not risking the 8500 for the sake of (1) HD for the 780. Especially when I have a good spare HD I can put back in the 780 and end all of this. There is no way I will ever risk the 8500 for the 780 it's suppose to work the other way around. The 8500 is my primary computer and the 780 is the backup. If I can create the Macrium Restore on the 8500 then I should be able to do the same with the good 780 HD correct? Otherwise, I will put back the good HD in the 780 and store the bad Win7 HD. Maybe I can write Win10 over it? The Windows activation message returned. I think that's my best option at this point and certainly have nothing to loose. They offer upgrading to Win7 Installing a custom version and re-installing Windows However it says I need a Windows installation disc and my product key I have the product key but don't have a Win7 installation disk. All I have is a System repair Windows 7 64 bit dated 10-17-13 and a Win 7 Pro master disc. https://postimg.cc/3W38RC6Z https://postimg.cc/K13FV9km https://postimg.cc/5YgMvTGS https://postimg.cc/q6qWKR2p Robert The last picture appears to be an installer disc, and it looks like a UEFI capable disc so can't be for WinXP. The WinXP installer discs (and WinXP itself) are legacy and don't know what GPT is. But I can't tell from the file list like that, what's inside :-) ******* For the Vista+ installer discs, you tell what they are by using the WIM file in the Sources folder. Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. C:\dir n: Volume in drive N is GSP1RMCPRXFREO_EN_DVD Volume Serial Number is F763-DB66 Directory of N:\ 04/12/2011 05:38 AM 122 autorun.inf 04/12/2011 05:38 AM DIR boot 04/12/2011 05:38 AM 383,786 bootmgr 04/12/2011 05:38 AM 669,568 bootmgr.efi 04/12/2011 05:38 AM DIR efi 04/12/2011 05:38 AM 106,768 setup.exe 04/12/2011 05:38 AM DIR sources === 04/12/2011 05:38 AM DIR support 04/12/2011 05:38 AM DIR upgrade N:\sourcesdir *.wim Volume in drive N is GSP1RMCPRXFREO_EN_DVD Volume Serial Number is F763-DB66 Directory of N:\sources 04/12/2011 05:38 AM 168,645,371 boot.wim 04/12/2011 05:38 AM 2,954,401,643 install.wim === Open with modern 7ZIP Within 7ZIP you see something like this, and you extract and open the XML file. 4 3 2 1 [1].XML === descriptions of the four OS flavors WIM IMAGE INDEX="1" DISPLAYDESCRIPTIONWindows 7 Home Basic/DISPLAYDESCRIPTION IMAGE INDEX="2" DISPLAYDESCRIPTIONWindows 7 Home Premium/DISPLAYDESCRIPTION IMAGE INDEX="3" DISPLAYDESCRIPTIONWindows 7 Professional/DISPLAYDESCRIPTION IMAGE INDEX="4" DISPLAYDESCRIPTIONWindows 7 Ultimate/DISPLAYDESCRIPTION /WIM Each section mentions a version. This disc already has SP1 installed. VERSION MAJOR6/MAJOR \ MINOR1/MINOR \___ Win 7 BUILD7601/BUILD / SPBUILD17514/SPBUILD SPLEVEL1/SPLEVEL Windows 7 SP1 /VERSION To make the text readable like that, I copy and paste the text into... https://web.archive.org/web/20150224...eautifier.org/ The code contained inside the .js on the site, reformats text locally on your own computer, and the older version of the code "improves" XML. So that's how you tell what is on a Vista+ ISO or DVD disc. Using the WIM. That's a refurbisher disc above, and the folder contents for folder "3" for Windows 7 SP1 Professional, looks identical (sizes) to this one. GSP1RMCPRXFREO_EN_DVD_X17-58517.ISO It's possible the refurbisher OS install, is the same as some other OS images. ******* If you reinstall the OS, you'll need to do some driver work too. Paul |
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Robert in CA wrote:
I checked and the only installation disc I have is for XP. Robert Actually, come to think of it, you might have an ISO file around already which is close to this size. GSP1RMCPRXFREO_EN_DVD_X17-58517.ISO 3,320,903,680 bytes If you could find a virtual ISO mounter, you could run "setup.exe" off that and do a Repair Install. We had a discussion about this before, of adding ISO mounting to a machine that didn't have it (Win7). https://www.osforensics.com/tools/mo...sk-images.html https://i.postimg.cc/G2gwNm6V/OSFMOUNTer.gif So if you had a Win7 ISO, you wouldn't even need to burn a disc, and could do a Repair Install on the "Not Genuine" hard drive. You would bring a copy of the OSFMount software over to the Win7 problem machine. You use the OSFMount, open the ISO file with it, and a new "virtual optical drive" appears on your desktop. Run setup.exe off it, to do a Repair Install to a running OS. Paul |
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Actually, come to think of it, you might have an ISO file around already which is close to this size. GSP1RMCPRXFREO_EN_DVD_X17-58517.ISO 3,320,903,680 bytes If you could find a virtual ISO mounter, you could run "setup.exe" off that and do a Repair Install. Where do I find an ISO file? I checked my discs looking for an ISO file and it turns out that I don't have a Rescue CD. I had labeled it and you saw it completed but the DVD-R is blank! I haven't done anything with it! All I have is Kapersky. I went through the first 10 DVD-R disc's all the DVD-R's are blank. So I do not have a Rescue CD no wonder it didn't work! https://postimg.cc/sQtYt94b https://postimg.cc/SJKZCVtf This is what's on the USB https://postimg.cc/BXyCD3FJ This is the media Creation Tool: https://postimg.cc/4n2vkGBp https://postimg.cc/RW5H4ZfJ So what do I do now? After all that work I still don't have a Rescue CD or if it will work and i can't find an ISO. Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
Actually, come to think of it, you might have an ISO file around already which is close to this size. GSP1RMCPRXFREO_EN_DVD_X17-58517.ISO 3,320,903,680 bytes If you could find a virtual ISO mounter, you could run "setup.exe" off that and do a Repair Install. Where do I find an ISO file? I checked my discs looking for an ISO file and it turns out that I don't have a Rescue CD. I had labeled it and you saw it completed but the DVD-R is blank! I haven't done anything with it! All I have is Kapersky. I went through the first 10 DVD-R disc's all the DVD-R's are blank. So I do not have a Rescue CD no wonder it didn't work! https://postimg.cc/sQtYt94b https://postimg.cc/SJKZCVtf This is what's on the USB https://postimg.cc/BXyCD3FJ This is the media Creation Tool: https://postimg.cc/4n2vkGBp https://postimg.cc/RW5H4ZfJ So what do I do now? After all that work I still don't have a Rescue CD or if it will work and i can't find an ISO. Robert The Kaspersky disc is for selective registry editing. It's not a complete regedit, as it doesn't have all the registry sections in it. https://postimg.cc/sQtYt94b The Patriot USB flash, did you put your Windows 10 installer in there ? The sources folder would have a pretty large WIM or ESD in the folder. Either 3,346,473,984 or 4,289,073,755 bytes for the big WIM of the latest Windows 10. A Windows 7 installer DVD, doubles as a Windows Rescue CD, as they both boot and offer a Command Prompt. You don't have any Retail Windows 7 keys, so you can't use the official Windows 7 download site directly. Your 8500 has Dell Windows 7, the 780 has Refurbisher Windows 7. Heidoc has Retail Windows 7. https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/techno...-download-tool The Heidoc tool is a URL generator. The tool should be run from at least a Windows 7 computer (as the tool uses ..NET). The tool is a portable executable. Version 8.16. https://www.heidoc.net/php/Windows-ISO-Downloader.exe This picture on their site shows the interface. https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/images...downloader.png Select Windows 7, go through the selection process. Then, use the "Copy link for 64 bit" on the right. Paste the URL into your web browser, and download the file from Microsoft. The URL should be a Microsoft URL. ******* THere's only one problem. Windows 7 is nearing end of download life. Heidoc can barely make URLS any more, and you can see why here. https://www.wincert.net/forum/topic/...-experimental/ When I tested just now, the Heidoc tool had no URLs to offer. If you didn't download Windows 7 before, it's getting close to being too late. Check under the sofa cushions for "Windows.iso" :-) If you got it in the past, you might have it on disk somewhere. The Refurbisher image I have he Name: GSP1RMCPRXFREO_EN_DVD.ISO Size: 3320903680 bytes (3167 MB) SHA256: 8341417C575ADB92CD11A1F77666B6D6CBBCFC568559274072 35983E838CFE83 It seems to be the same checksum as Win7_Pro_SP1_English_COEM_x64.iso which I neglected to download (I only got the x32 one). You might have already downloaded something like that on the 8500 (as the reinstall discs would be the same for the two, using a COA key, and the phone activation method). It appears someone with branded computers, attempting to find Win7 media now, it's a bit late in the day. Paul |
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I can't remember if I put the Win10 installer on the Patriot
I do remember I removed all the files/folders from the Patriot before using it. So I went to the folder where I put it and found this: https://postimg.cc/dD3h0z5J Can we use this? Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
I can't remember if I put the Win10 installer on the Patriot I do remember I removed all the files/folders from the Patriot before using it. So I went to the folder where I put it and found this: https://postimg.cc/dD3h0z5J Can we use this? Robert Sure. You'll likely need to do phone activation. I don't know if the Refurbisher Key makes this any harder or not, but on a Dell COA you could do it. It should definitely work on the 8500. I've not read of any accounts of people redoing a Refurbisher. You could bring over this mounter, to the 780. Bring over a copy of the ISO (in Downloads or the like). Select that ISO from the File menu in the mounter. And a virtual DVD drive will appear in File Explorer. Run Setup.exe off the virtual DVD drive. https://www.osforensics.com/tools/mo...sk-images.html Since your 8500 is in good working order, you can burn a DVD copy of that software, as you see fit. Use Imgburn, use the upper left hand button (of the six buttons). If you needed to do a Clean Install, then I would be getting you to burn a DVD disc right away. The mount will drop on the first reboot, and subsequent install boot cycles, the installation process doesn't need the image after that. In your BIOS, you can turn off the Win10 drive, if it isn't off already. Paul |
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You said all I needed was an ISO but now
your saying your not sure. As I stated I'm not going to risk the 8500 in any of this. It's not worth it. I'm not exactly following you,..... Are you saying you want me to put the ISO file on a DVD-R disc? using Image Burn on the 8500? or are you saying put the file on the Patriot and put in downloads on the 780 and then create the file? Which do you want me to do? Also, how do I turn off the Win 10 drive,... I've been doing so much I don't remember know how to locate it again. Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
You said all I needed was an ISO but now your saying your not sure. As I stated I'm not going to risk the 8500 in any of this. It's not worth it. I'm not exactly following you,..... Are you saying you want me to put the ISO file on a DVD-R disc? using Image Burn on the 8500? or are you saying put the file on the Patriot and put in downloads on the 780 and then create the file? Which do you want me to do? Also, how do I turn off the Win 10 drive,... I've been doing so much I don't remember know how to locate it again. Robert If the ISO file was sitting on your 8500, you transfer it to the 780 hard drive and its "Not Genuine" C: drive. Your Downloads folder over there, isn't going anywhere, so you put the Windows ISO file on the 780. This might require copying the ISO file onto the Patriot USB stick and carrying the USB stick over to the 780 so you can copy it onto the 780. You might not have "File Sharing" set up on your machines (which would make the job easier). Once the Windows 7 ISO file is over on the 780, you grab a copy of the OSFMount program, start it running, go to the File menu and navigate to your Downloads folder. You select the Windows ISO. The OSFMount program will show in its status window, that the file is now mounted. Now, go to File Explorer, open the new virtual DVD drive you see in there, and double click the Setup.exe to start a Repair Install. The Upgrade Advisor should grind for a few minutes, then tell you it will Repair Install, keeping your programs and keeping your user data. And the install will then happen. THis assumes that the Windows 7 with the black screen, continues to run long enough for Setup.exe to do its job. Once the grace period runs out, the "table manners" of the OS will degrade - it can shut the machine down no matter what you're doing, without using a clean shutdown either. I've never tried to Repair Install a "Not Genuine" OS before, so I don't know whether the Setup.exe can override the half-hour timer. (The copy of Windows 7 I run in the Not Genuine state, is an Enterprise version, and it runs for half-an-hour before it shuts down.) ******* Enter the BIOS using F2. Select the Drives entry. Find the window with SATA 1,2,3,4, and ESATA. You want (perhaps) SATA 1 and SATA 2 turned on (HDD and optical drive), while SATA 3 (Win10) remains unticked. That way, while the Repair Install is happening, the Win10 disk will be unaffected. You've probably already set things up that way anyway, and this is just a reminder. I think you told me you were already running RAID ON and SATA 1 and SATA 2 ticked. Paul |
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Win7 support: Hickory dickory Heidockery
In message , Paul
writes: [] Windows 7. Heidoc has Retail Windows 7. https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/techno.../67-microsoft- windows-iso-download-tool [] Select Windows 7, go through the selection process. Then, use the "Copy link for 64 bit" on the right. Paste the URL into your web browser, and download the file from Microsoft. The URL should be a Microsoft URL. ******* THere's only one problem. Windows 7 is nearing end of download life. Heidoc can barely make URLS any more, and you can see why here. https://www.wincert.net/forum/topic/...0-monthly-down load-days-starting-october-1-experimental/ [Maybe _you_ can - it goes a bit over my head (-:!] When I tested just now, the Heidoc tool had no URLs to offer. When I look, and select "Windows 7", it comes up with a drop-down heading "Select edition", which has only one entry in it: "Currently unavailable". Is that what you mean? If, however, I select "Window 7 (August 2018)", it lets me select edition and language. I already have a file I downloaded 2019-1-15, called Win7_HomePrem_SP1_English_COEM_x32.iso, size 2,564,476,928 bytes (2.38 GB, 2,504,372 KB). I have several separate questions: Q1. Is that file I have likely to be the latest (7 Home Premium 32 bit, which is what I have and would want) as of the date I downloaded it, or will it date from when SP1 came out? Q2. If I ever use it, will the system created then do (if I let it) a mammoth download of all the upgrades since 2019-1-15 (or since SP1 came out depending on the answer to Q1)? Q3. I know there will be no new upgrades to W7 after sometime in January. (Possibly except for corporate customers paying through the nose for them.) But, as happened (is still?) with XP, do we believe the update server will still interact with W7 systems that don't have updates _prior_ to the cutoff date, and still supply those updates to those systems? Q4. Is the 7601.24214.180801-1700.win7sp1_ldr_escrow_CLIENT_HOMEPREMIUM_x86FRE_ en-us ..iso file that comes, as of now, from selecting the "Window 7 (August 2018)" button on Heidoc of any relevance to anything? It is 4,095,453,184 bytes (3.81 GB, 3,999,466 KB) - i. e. about 4G, whereas the one I downloaded 2019-1-15 is about 2.5G - the difference seems a lot more than 7 months' worth of updates, so I presume there is some other difference (one is OEM or something?). Q5. Would Heidoc be where I'd download a W10HP-32 .iso to play with to get a "digital entitlement" to W10? If so, which one - there seem to be 23, or if I ignore the China, N version, and Education ones, and the Enterprise one, there seem to be 6 to choose from, differing mainly by date (from September 2017 up to May 2019. Would I just go for the latest, or (I think you've mentioned recently) won't that fit on a single-layer DVD - if so, which one will? (Sorry, Q5 is really rather a lot of questions, isn't it.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf You can't abdicate and eat it - attributed to Wallis Simpson, in Radio Times 14-20 January 2012. |
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