Poor "Snit"

On 4/21/17, 2:21 PM, in article , "Paul"
wrote:

Snit wrote:
On 4/21/17, 12:13 PM, in article ,
"Gene Wirchenko" wrote:

On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 08:21:24 -0700, Snit
wrote:

[snip]

What program do you think Apple or MS stops me from running? Be specific.
16-bit software on 64-bit Windows.

https://www.groovypost.com/howto/ena...pport-windows-
10/ OR https://gpo.st/4q5


And if you read the page carefully, it's 16-bit support only
on the 32-bit version of the OS. The subsystem should be missing
on the 64-bit version of Windows 10 (or other Windows for that
matter).

I stand corrected... my apologies.

Tested on 15063.0 (Creator Edition)

After install, the 32-bit OS doesn't have NTVDM enabled.
The 64-bit OS has no NTVDM option at all.

https://s18.postimg.org/g8nj240x5/ntvdm_missing.gif

When a 16-bit test program is executed, the 32-bit OS
presents a dialog asking if you'd like NTVDM turned on.
The 64-bit delivers "Too bad, so sad".

https://s11.postimg.org/qjp6p14kj/nt..._installed.gif

Once NTVDM is enabled on 32-bit (no reboot), the 16-bit
program works under 32-bit.

https://s1.postimg.org/uuwkjs4pr/wor...with_ntvdm.gif

I didn't think any laws of physics had been repealed.
Microsoft on previous occasions has said, fixing the case
on the right (16 on 64) is "too hard" and they won't be doing it.

Paul


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In article , Silver Slimer
wrote:

What program do you think Apple or MS stops me from running? Be specific.

16-bit software on 64-bit Windows.

they can still be run, just with minor additional hoops.

not that anyone actually wants to run 16 bit software anymore.

It's actually fairly insane that anyone would want to run 16-bit
software on modern Windows unless they're gamers and want to play a
specific game from yesterday. In that case though, they're better off
running the game in a virtual session than hope that Microsoft will
allow them to do it natively.

they can run win98, win95 or even win 3.1 in a vm.

In article , Paul
wrote:


What program do you think Apple or MS stops me from running? Be specific.
16-bit software on 64-bit Windows.

https://www.groovypost.com/howto/ena...pport-windows-
10/ OR https://gpo.st/4q5


And if you read the page carefully, it's 16-bit support only
on the 32-bit version of the OS. The subsystem should be missing
on the 64-bit version of Windows 10 (or other Windows for that
matter).

run the 32 bit version of windows a vm, or better yet, run a 16 bit
version of windows in a vm.

what 16 bit apps do you still want to run, which have *no* 32 bit or 64
bit equivalent??

dropping support for 16 bit apps is long overdue.

In article , Snit
wrote:

only because macos advances more rapidly than windows.

To some extent true... but also MS has a LOT of people using older software
and they do put a lot of effort into keeping it running. They also have not
moved CPU architectures to the extent Apple has... though the move to XP
was
a big change from the 9x platform.

microsoft is moving windows to arm, which is a very big change.

Have not heard they are doing this. Even on the desktop?

yes.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/12/7/13...ows-10-arm-des
ktop-apps-support-qualcomm
Windows RT couldn¹t run traditional desktop apps, but it had a
desktop mode and most of the regular Windows utilities that have
existed for more than 25 years. Microsoft is correcting that mistake
today, and taking another stab at supporting ARM processors with
Windows. Starting next year, Windows 10 will be able to emulate
traditional desktop apps, allowing device creators to build laptops,
tablets, and phones that support the millions of existing
applications in the Windows world.

....

...Microsoft isn¹t detailing exactly how its emulation works, but
developers won¹t have to do anything special to get their apps to run
on ARM chips. The regular MSI or EXE packages will work just like
they do on machines with Intel chipsets.

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/win...ed-windows-10-
portable-pcs-hell-yes
This is full Windows 10 for PCs, not some stripped down version. It¹s
Windows 10 Home and Pro, on ARM. And Windows 10 Enterprise, with all
the functionality that businesses expect, including domain join. This
is Windows RT done right.

developers had *years* to update their apps to be native.

True... but there are apps I do not want to have to pay for again. But I am
cheap. My old FM Pro no longer prints without crashing, but I could buy the
new one and use my old files just fine.

that's your choice, not apple or filemaker.

Fair enough... though like all consumers I would prefer a lower price. With
open source that is generally not a concern, so there is that advantage. But
there is also NOTHING in the open source world that is like FM Pro. It
really comes down if I decide the price is worth it.

yep.

as the saying goes, you get what you pay for.

In article , Snit
wrote:

It's actually fairly insane that anyone would want to run 16-bit
software on modern Windows unless they're gamers and want to play a
specific game from yesterday. In that case though, they're better off
running the game in a virtual session than hope that Microsoft will
allow them to do it natively.

Not many people want to run software that old but the fact most of it still
will run is actually pretty amazing.

lode runner, an app that first came out for the mac in 1985 or so, ran
perfectly fine on a powerpc mac running os x tiger 10.4, some 20 years
later, which had a different processor, a different operating system, a
much larger colour display, along with quite a bit more that was
different.