Poor "Snit"

On 2017-04-20, Sandman wrote:

In article , Marek Novotny
wrote:

vallor:
Poor "Snit".

Through attrition, less and less people are having anything to do
with "Snit".

Now "Snit" is starting new threads (like: "The herd will fail") to
try to elide emotional responses. There's a name for that, and it
is called "trolling".

Meanwhile, Marek has gotten under "Snit"'s skin so much that
hardly a post goes by where "Snit" isn't referencing Marek out of
the blue. The theory of "Snit" suffering a "narcissistic wound"
seems more and more believable by the day.

And as these weeks have worn on, "Snit"'s claims become more and
more "out there". It's gotten to the point where "Snit" has all
but claimed to be _the_ "true Linux advocate", with the actual
advocates being "advocates", in Snit's scare-quotes.

It seems as if "Snit" is having some kind of existential crisis.
Maybe "Snit" should take a break from the USENET and regroup.

p.s. the observant will notice I avoided the use of personal
pronouns in this post. This is to prevent "Snit"'s equivocation
from having a foothold, where "Snit" tries to pull "Snit's"
reversal crap.

Sandman will have some interesting stats I am sure.

Well, your last direct response to Snit was on 2017-04-05, more than two
weeks ago. He has talked about you 53 times since then and responded to 65
of your posts for a total of 118 posts concerning you.

Regular | R | % | M | %
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
owl | 55 | 15% | 32 | 9%
Sandman | 26 | 7% | 118 | 32%
DFS | 34 | 9% | 26 | 7%
Marek Novotny | 65 | 17% | 53 | 14%
vallor | 7 | 2% | 0 | 0%
Steve Caroll | 0 | 0% | 53 | 14%
chrisv | 11 | 3% | 1 | 0%
Peter Kohlmann | 10 | 3% | 14 | 4%
Chris Ahlstrom | 4 | 1% | 0 | 0%
robert | 0 | 0% | 1 | 0%
Desk Rabbit | 9 | 2% | 1 | 0%
RonB | 8 | 2% | 3 | 1%
Silver Slimer | 1 | 0% | 3 | 1%
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Total posts between 2017-04-05 - 2017-04-20: 374
Percentage (R)esponses to regulars: 61%
Percentage (M)entioning regulars: 82%

This last two weeks he's been really accelerating, and now his obsession
covers no less than 82% of all of his posts.

And now he wants to pass himself off as a Linux advocate. Hilarious. What
will Michael Glasser ("Snit") think up next...

Maybe Michael Glasser's how to make 100 directories on on Linux is good
advocating... Except wasn't he just raging on how we did it on Linux and
showed the Mac way of doing it with the GUI: https://youtu.be/r-Web_U_HeU

I downloaded a copy just in case he doesn't want it shown anymore.

what he called a script is actually a one liner in bash:

for x in {001..100} ; do mkdir folder_$x ; done

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Marek Novotny
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Marek Novotny wrote:


And now he wants to pass himself off as a Linux advocate. Hilarious. What
will Michael Glasser ("Snit") think up next...

Maybe Michael Glasser's how to make 100 directories on on Linux is good
advocating... Except wasn't he just raging on how we did it on Linux and
showed the Mac way of doing it with the GUI: https://youtu.be/r-Web_U_HeU

I downloaded a copy just in case he doesn't want it shown anymore.

what he called a script is actually a one liner in bash:

for x in {001..100} ; do mkdir folder_$x ; done


That is how I would do it, but you could do it in a very similar way in
both Windows and Linux

New Folder CTRL+C CTRL+V x 9 CTRL+A CTRL+C CTRL+V x 9

In both Windows and Linux seems to paste those folders faster. Linux
does a better job of giving a more constant naming job on the
duplicates. Windows can do the mass renaming, and I understand the new
Nautilus has that feature without adding an addon script.


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Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On 4/20/17, 12:23 PM, in article
, "Marek Novotny"
wrote:

....
Maybe Michael Glasser's how to make 100 directories on on Linux is good
advocating...

Showing usability issues is important. And being honest about the weaknesses
is as well.

Except wasn't he just raging on how we did it on Linux and showed the Mac way
of doing it with the GUI: https://youtu.be/r-Web_U_HeU

The Mac way? Desktop Linux distros ALSO have GUIs.

Let me guess: you will admit to this error of yours as quickly as others.
Oh. No. You never will.

I downloaded a copy just in case he doesn't want it shown anymore.

what he called a script is actually a one liner in bash:

for x in {001..100} ; do mkdir folder_$x ; done

That script, EXACTLY as written, also works on macOS. He

https://youtu.be/XKc8bgBeWYs

See: a good example of my helping you to learn about computers.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308

On 4/20/17, 12:41 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Marek Novotny wrote:


And now he wants to pass himself off as a Linux advocate. Hilarious. What
will Michael Glasser ("Snit") think up next...

Maybe Michael Glasser's how to make 100 directories on on Linux is good
advocating... Except wasn't he just raging on how we did it on Linux and
showed the Mac way of doing it with the GUI: https://youtu.be/r-Web_U_HeU

I downloaded a copy just in case he doesn't want it shown anymore.

what he called a script is actually a one liner in bash:

for x in {001..100} ; do mkdir folder_$x ; done


That is how I would do it, but you could do it in a very similar way in
both Windows and Linux

New Folder CTRL+C CTRL+V x 9 CTRL+A CTRL+C CTRL+V x 9

In both Windows and Linux seems to paste those folders faster. Linux
does a better job of giving a more constant naming job on the
duplicates. Windows can do the mass renaming, and I understand the new
Nautilus has that feature without adding an addon script.

Some DEs do not have the New Folder hot key work on the desktop and if you
go fast with your pressing of hot keys they can get "confused". Others, such
as most Gnome based ones, handle it better. But here is the issue that was
being discussed:

* Create a bunch of folders as a general user would (GUI and no
scripting) https://youtu.be/r-Web_U_HeU. Nobody else in COLA
provided a solution: both Owl and Marek showed scripts (they could not
find a good method).

* Owl created a similar challenge: script multiple-folder creation and
include some questions. Owl's solution: https://vid.me/BjHo. Snit's
solution: https://youtu.be/ZIm1-X-ZugM.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308

On 4/20/17, 12:57 PM, in article
, "Snit"
wrote:

On 4/20/17, 12:41 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Marek Novotny wrote:


And now he wants to pass himself off as a Linux advocate. Hilarious. What
will Michael Glasser ("Snit") think up next...

Maybe Michael Glasser's how to make 100 directories on on Linux is good
advocating... Except wasn't he just raging on how we did it on Linux and
showed the Mac way of doing it with the GUI: https://youtu.be/r-Web_U_HeU

I downloaded a copy just in case he doesn't want it shown anymore.

what he called a script is actually a one liner in bash:

for x in {001..100} ; do mkdir folder_$x ; done


That is how I would do it, but you could do it in a very similar way in
both Windows and Linux

New Folder CTRL+C CTRL+V x 9 CTRL+A CTRL+C CTRL+V x 9

In both Windows and Linux seems to paste those folders faster. Linux
does a better job of giving a more constant naming job on the
duplicates. Windows can do the mass renaming, and I understand the new
Nautilus has that feature without adding an addon script.

Some DEs do not have the New Folder hot key work on the desktop and if you
go fast with your pressing of hot keys they can get "confused". Others, such
as most Gnome based ones, handle it better. But here is the issue that was
being discussed:

* Create a bunch of folders as a general user would (GUI and no
scripting) https://youtu.be/r-Web_U_HeU. Nobody else in COLA
provided a solution: both Owl and Marek showed scripts (they could not
find a good method).

* Owl created a similar challenge: script multiple-folder creation and
include some questions. Owl's solution: https://vid.me/BjHo. Snit's
solution: https://youtu.be/ZIm1-X-ZugM.

Sorry... left out the videos showing this on various Linux distros:

Mint Cinnamon: https://youtu.be/Zv61hNe9lwU
Maui (KDE): https://youtu.be/ODwxQGNYnk8

Do not talk about it in the video, but with KDE I do go into more detail
elsewhere as to what went wrong... I was simply faster than the UI. Keep in
mind this was on a VM so there may be speed issues from there, but it is
still not designed as well as Cinnamon.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308

Snit wrote:
Some DEs do not have the New Folder hot key work on the desktop and if you
go fast with your pressing of hot keys they can get "confused". Others, such
as most Gnome based ones, handle it better. But here is the issue that was
being discussed:

'tis the beauty of Linux. Don't like that DE, then pick another to suit
you. That is in contrast to MS or Apple where you are stuck with
whatever they tell you to have.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

In article , Jonathan N. Little
wrote:

Some DEs do not have the New Folder hot key work on the desktop and if you
go fast with your pressing of hot keys they can get "confused". Others, such
as most Gnome based ones, handle it better. But here is the issue that was
being discussed:

'tis the beauty of Linux. Don't like that DE, then pick another to suit
you. That is in contrast to MS or Apple where you are stuck with
whatever they tell you to have.

wrong.

On 4/20/17, 1:06 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Snit wrote:
Some DEs do not have the New Folder hot key work on the desktop and if you
go fast with your pressing of hot keys they can get "confused". Others, such
as most Gnome based ones, handle it better. But here is the issue that was
being discussed:

'tis the beauty of Linux. Don't like that DE, then pick another to suit
you.

True, but you have those who attack Linux saying that the "Linux way" is to
not even use the GUI but to jump to the CLI. NOTHING wrong with the CLI, to
be sure, but most users will never touch it (and, of course, macOS has
pretty much the same CLI options).

That is in contrast to MS or Apple where you are stuck with
whatever they tell you to have.

Again this is true, but do you have examples where, say, the Linux option
you use offers benefits the competition does not? There are SOME examples,
but they are hard to think of.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308

nospam wrote:
In article , Jonathan N. Little
wrote:

Some DEs do not have the New Folder hot key work on the desktop and if you
go fast with your pressing of hot keys they can get "confused". Others, such
as most Gnome based ones, handle it better. But here is the issue that was
being discussed:

'tis the beauty of Linux. Don't like that DE, then pick another to suit
you. That is in contrast to MS or Apple where you are stuck with
whatever they tell you to have.

wrong.


How so?

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On 4/20/17, 3:32 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

nospam wrote:
In article , Jonathan N. Little
wrote:

Some DEs do not have the New Folder hot key work on the desktop and if you
go fast with your pressing of hot keys they can get "confused". Others,
such
as most Gnome based ones, handle it better. But here is the issue that was
being discussed:

'tis the beauty of Linux. Don't like that DE, then pick another to suit
you. That is in contrast to MS or Apple where you are stuck with
whatever they tell you to have.

wrong.


How so?

You can get other file managers and the like for Windows and macOS but not
really the whole DE as far as I know.

For me, though, the question comes to which serves me best, not which has
the most parts I can swap out (though the swapping out can serve the goal of
making a tool more useful).

Do you have examples from your desktop where you think the choices you have
made allow you to get tasks done better than you can on the competition? If
so would love to see them or even just have you describe them.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308

In article , Jonathan N. Little
wrote:


Some DEs do not have the New Folder hot key work on the desktop and if you
go fast with your pressing of hot keys they can get "confused". Others,
such
as most Gnome based ones, handle it better. But here is the issue that was
being discussed:

'tis the beauty of Linux. Don't like that DE, then pick another to suit
you. That is in contrast to MS or Apple where you are stuck with
whatever they tell you to have.

wrong.

How so?

neither apple nor microsoft stop anyone from running whatever they want.

macos is unix under the hood and win10 has a bash shell which even
supports linux binaries. xwindows runs under it, as well as plenty
more.

the real question is why anyone would willingly do that because by
doing so, they won't be able to use the vast amount of mac/windows
software that is not available in linux. it's a downgrade.

On 4/20/17, 4:00 PM, in article ,
"nospam" wrote:

In article , Jonathan N. Little
wrote:


Some DEs do not have the New Folder hot key work on the desktop and if you
go fast with your pressing of hot keys they can get "confused". Others,
such
as most Gnome based ones, handle it better. But here is the issue that was
being discussed:

'tis the beauty of Linux. Don't like that DE, then pick another to suit
you. That is in contrast to MS or Apple where you are stuck with
whatever they tell you to have.

wrong.

How so?

neither apple nor microsoft stop anyone from running whatever they want.

macos is unix under the hood and win10 has a bash shell which even
supports linux binaries. xwindows runs under it, as well as plenty
more.

the real question is why anyone would willingly do that because by
doing so, they won't be able to use the vast amount of mac/windows
software that is not available in linux. it's a downgrade.

For the most part agree, but I am very open to hearing about what benefits
people think they have on Linux. So far, for the GUI, the big "benefits" are
mostly these two:

* Window widgets (things such as window shade and keeping the window
on top)

* Copy on select (a mixed blessing)

To be fair it is hard to list many for Windows, but Windows has the
advantage of having a massive amount of support from pretty much every
company and LOTS of software that is designed for it and its UI. Meanwhile
macOS has lots of tools to help boost productivity (and some absurd limits
on what you can as well).

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308

Snit wrote:
On 4/20/17, 3:32 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

nospam wrote:
In article , Jonathan N. Little
wrote:

Some DEs do not have the New Folder hot key work on the desktop and if you
go fast with your pressing of hot keys they can get "confused". Others,
such
as most Gnome based ones, handle it better. But here is the issue that was
being discussed:

'tis the beauty of Linux. Don't like that DE, then pick another to suit
you. That is in contrast to MS or Apple where you are stuck with
whatever they tell you to have.

wrong.


How so?

You can get other file managers and the like for Windows and macOS but not
really the whole DE as far as I know.

You just confirmed what I said. Sure you can install an alternative
application, even in macOS but that is not what we were talking about
was it now.


For me, though, the question comes to which serves me best, not which has
the most parts I can swap out (though the swapping out can serve the goal of
making a tool more useful).

Do you have examples from your desktop where you think the choices you have
made allow you to get tasks done better than you can on the competition? If
so would love to see them or even just have you describe them.


You should know, I have written about it numerous times in another NG
you also haunt, aolu. The Unity desktop.

I have said I find it the best *new* approach to a UI. Windows 10 is
moderately better than Windows 8, but still is clunky and *inconsistent*
compared to Unity. It is the best IMHO of a post-menu approach to an
interface. The Dash is so good and responsive, even on minimal hardware,
that I do not miss the menu at all. You do not have to know the name of
an application to find it, nor have to scroll through a long list. It
showed real promise as a convergent interface with touch and phone...

I don't bother locking apps to the launcher since the dash is so
responsive. The locking is very effective at managing many instances of
applications over multiple desktops with the little tick symbols. And
more, but I have stuff to do now...



--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On 4/20/17, 6:13 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Snit wrote:
On 4/20/17, 3:32 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

nospam wrote:
In article , Jonathan N. Little
wrote:

Some DEs do not have the New Folder hot key work on the desktop and if
you go fast with your pressing of hot keys they can get "confused".
Others, such as most Gnome based ones, handle it better. But here is the
issue that was being discussed:

'tis the beauty of Linux. Don't like that DE, then pick another to suit
you. That is in contrast to MS or Apple where you are stuck with whatever
they tell you to have.

wrong.


How so?

You can get other file managers and the like for Windows and macOS but not
really the whole DE as far as I know.

You just confirmed what I said. Sure you can install an alternative
application, even in macOS but that is not what we were talking about
was it now.

You claimed it was a benefit of Linux. I have asked if you can show some
tasks which are made easier with this benefit. So far we have silence from
you on that.

For me, though, the question comes to which serves me best, not which has
the most parts I can swap out (though the swapping out can serve the goal of
making a tool more useful).

Do you have examples from your desktop where you think the choices you have
made allow you to get tasks done better than you can on the competition? If
so would love to see them or even just have you describe them.

You should know, I have written about it numerous times in another NG
you also haunt, aolu. The Unity desktop.

You mean the shell Canonical is ceasing development on?

I have said I find it the best *new* approach to a UI.

Great. Would love to see some examples of tasks it handles better. Hey, I
might disagree when I see it -- that is fine. I am sincerely curious. And
who knows, maybe I will agree.

From using Linux I got used to windows snapping together. Wow. It is a small
thing but it makes a difference for window management. For years I openly
talked about how I wished Apple would add it to the Mac. They finally have
but that is a place Linux, at least with many shells, was ahead for years.

Windows 10 is moderately better than Windows 8, but still is clunky and
*inconsistent* compared to Unity.

It is a bit of a mess... settings in both a desktop and tablet UI but they
are not the same. I have seen examples of having to use the tablet UI to
change mouse settings which would not change when using the desktop UI. Just
weird.

It is the best IMHO of a post-menu approach to an interface.

I am behind on it, but does it not still have a menu? One of the things I
liked about it was the help system where you can type words and it seemed to
have some "intelligence" to find what you wanted. This is important on Linux
where terms like "Settings" and "Preferences" are not consistent in names or
locations (nor even basic things like "Quit" and "Exit"). So that was cool.

The Dash is so good and responsive, even on minimal hardware, that I do not
miss the menu at all. You do not have to know the name of an application to
find it, nor have to scroll through a long list. It showed real promise as a
convergent interface with touch and phone...

As I said, I am pretty far behind on it... would love to see a video of the
specifics you mean.

I don't bother locking apps to the launcher since the dash is so responsive.
The locking is very effective at managing many instances of applications over
multiple desktops with the little tick symbols. And more, but I have stuff to
do now...

Fair enough. Would love to see more on it from you.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308

nospam wrote:

In article , Jonathan N. Little
wrote:


Some DEs do not have the New Folder hot key work on the desktop and
if you go fast with your pressing of hot keys they can get
"confused". Others, such
as most Gnome based ones, handle it better. But here is the issue
that was being discussed:

'tis the beauty of Linux. Don't like that DE, then pick another to
suit you. That is in contrast to MS or Apple where you are stuck with
whatever they tell you to have.

wrong.

How so?

neither apple nor microsoft stop anyone from running whatever they want.

Wrong

macos is unix under the hood and win10 has a bash shell which even
supports linux binaries. xwindows runs under it, as well as plenty
more.

Wrong again. The "windows bash shell" (as half assed as it is) will *never*
be able to "support" linux binaries. Those will not run under windows, no
matter what.

the real question is why anyone would willingly do that because by
doing so, they won't be able to use the vast amount of mac/windows
software that is not available in linux. it's a downgrade.

Whereas windows or Mac will never run more than a small part of linux
software. The little bit which is ported makes only a small portion of the
available software