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Adobe - The writing on the wall comes into view
"Paul" wrote
| My experience is, that modern drives give plenty of | hints, before they die on you. If you were hoping to | scare people, good luck with that. | I replaced one for a friend recently. Win8 laptop. She was laying in bed, uploading photos, and it quit. I don't know why, but my guess is that blankets were blocking the back vents and it overheated. I once had a whole machine go from what I think was a power surge. It happened at about the time (2001?) when the East Coast had a massive blackout. My home state, MA, had a system that triggered it to break off from the grid when it sensed failure. My computer suddenly rebooted and came back blank. Not that I intend to lend credibility to nospam.... but personally I think it's worthwhile to always run a redundant disk. It's not expensive. But of course that also requires using a desktop. A laptop is really just a portable, temporary encampment, but many people no longer use them that way. |
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On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 04:34:04 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote: The so-called "cloud" is really marketing babble for a return to the way we did computing 40-50 years ago, where you had terminals accessing remote servers where data and applications were actually stored. Yes. Well put. |
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Mayayana wrote:
"Paul" wrote | My experience is, that modern drives give plenty of | hints, before they die on you. If you were hoping to | scare people, good luck with that. | I replaced one for a friend recently. Win8 laptop. She was laying in bed, uploading photos, and it quit. I don't know why, but my guess is that blankets were blocking the back vents and it overheated. I once had a whole machine go from what I think was a power surge. It happened at about the time (2001?) when the East Coast had a massive blackout. My home state, MA, had a system that triggered it to break off from the grid when it sensed failure. My computer suddenly rebooted and came back blank. Not that I intend to lend credibility to nospam.... but personally I think it's worthwhile to always run a redundant disk. It's not expensive. But of course that also requires using a desktop. A laptop is really just a portable, temporary encampment, but many people no longer use them that way. I was addressing a specific issue. Drives don't seem to mysteriously drop dead like they once did. They give enough warning signs, you can swap them out before you get close to "the end". I've had five or six drives here, which gave plenty of warning, and now they're in the "scratch disk" pile. They're still alive... but they cannot be trusted as boot drives. Of course a boulder can fall on your house, crushing your hard drive. You should keep your backup drive in the shed :-) Once you've been using computers for a while, suffered some data loss, you'll be able to adjust your practices according to the situation. For example, the very first 10MB hard drive I was given, I immediately started copying all personal files (output) to the departmental server (300MB). Why was I doing that ? Because I was also involved in doing data recovery on some of those drives :-) I already had some idea how reliable they were. I did more backups of my shiny new hard drive, than I would have done for my floppy collection (110 floppies in my desk drawer). I didn't even tell my colleagues what I was doing :-) I wasn't a promoter of backups, like I am today. Paul |
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In article , Roger Blake
wrote: the difference is that a cloud service will have multiple redundant copies in their data centers with multiple redundant data centers. The so-called "cloud" is really marketing babble for a return to the way we did computing 40-50 years ago, where you had terminals accessing remote servers where data and applications were actually stored. no it definitely isn't a return to that. you obviously don't understand what the cloud means or offers. the cloud is a *lot* of different things (not just one) which can provide a variety of different services not otherwise possible, including sharing among multiple devices (or users) as well as offsite backup and much more. When you rely on the "cloud" you lose control of your data. You don't know where it is being kept, how it is being backed up, how many copies there are, where it will be copied to, who will have access to it under what conditions, or even if you will have access to it at any specific point in the future. nonsense. users have full control of their data and can access it at any time, they know exactly where it's being kept (the cloud service) and backups are much better than anything a user could ever hope to do. users can also grant access to others if they so choose and revoke it at any time. although rare, there can be an occasional brief outage (nothing is perfect), but there can also be (and more likely will be) 'outages' for local copies, such as when (not if) a hard drive fails, or a power outage, fire/flood/etc. even something as simple as needing to replace a usb cable can delay accessing your *local* data. I'm just not willing to trust Microsoft, Google, etc. with my stuff. only because you don't understand what it is and how it works. but if you really don't trust anyone, you can always set up your own private cloud to host any of a variety of services. it's a *lot* more work, especially keeping it secure, and it may not interoperate anywhere near as well as a commercial service, but it definitely is an option. |
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In article , Mayayana
wrote: but personally I think it's worthwhile to always run a redundant disk. It's not expensive. But of course that also requires using a desktop. no it doesn't require a desktop. A laptop is really just a portable, temporary encampment, but many people no longer use them that way. nonsense. |
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"Mayayana" on Sat, 1 Sep 2018 22:06:29 -0400
typed in alt.windows7.general the following: "pyotr filipivich" wrote | That's a pain, but most of the work is stuff | I'd have to do anyway, even if I paid someone | to do my taxes. They'd be charging me $100 just | to do the math and look up possible deductions. | | | Ten years ago, it made sense. The last couple years - why am I | doing this? Especially if you've already done it once. Unless you've made big changes you should be able to just check updates and then use last year's forms for guidance. There used to be more things that one could deduct, like charitable, medical, political, etc. These days, and all the more so in the coming year with Donald's excellent millionaire adventure tax plan, most people won't itemize. But I guess if you're collecting rent from tenants in your property in Mexico while also paying child support and investing in solar projects, then you might need some help. "I wish". OTOH, when "Filing jointly" and your combine income is below the deductions "why bother." -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10 123456789 wrote:
On 9/1/2018 9:34 PM, Roger Blake wrote: When you rely on the "cloud" you lose control of your data. You don't know where it is being kept, how it is being backed up, how many copies there are, where it will be copied to, who will have access to it under what conditions, or even if you will have access to it at any specific point in the future. I'm just not willing to trust Microsoft, Google, etc. with my stuff. I use the cloud (Google Drive) as a backup for my local files. That way if I lose them in some calamity (such as a house fire) they can be replaced. And likewise in the unlikely event that the cloud fails I still have my local files. I also encrypt my sensitive files in case some Google employee should decide to pick me out of the other hundreds of millions of customers to spy on... What do you use to encrypt your datas before uploading to the cloud? -- Quote of the Week: "For example, the tiny ant, a creature of great industry, drags with its mouth whatever it can, and adds it to the heap which she is piling up, not unaware nor careless of the future." --Horace, Satires, Book I, I, 33. Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org / http://antfarm.ma.cx / /\ /\ \ Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit- | |o o| | ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and URL/link. \ _ / ( ) |
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"Paul" wrote
| Of course a boulder can fall on your house, crushing | your hard drive. You should keep your backup drive | in the shed :-) | You're not going to believe this... That's the last time I put backup in the attic. |
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On 9/2/2018 6:00 PM, Ant wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10 123456789 wrote: I use the cloud (Google Drive) as a backup for my local files. That way if I lose them in some calamity (such as a house fire) they can be replaced. And likewise in the unlikely event that the cloud fails I still have my local files. I also encrypt my sensitive files in case some Google employee should decide to pick me out of the other hundreds of millions of customers to spy on... What do you use to encrypt your datas before uploading to the cloud? FolderLatch |
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On 2018-09-02, nospam wrote:
no it definitely isn't a return to that. you obviously don't understand what the cloud means or offers. Yes, it is. I was working in the computer industry back when things were done that way. (Were you?) Conceptually it is the same thing. nonsense. users have full control of their data and can access it at any time, they know exactly where it's being kept (the cloud service) Utter and complete bilge. It's amazing to me that anyone can even make such an ignorant statement. only because you don't understand what it is and how it works. I understand it completely. It is obvious that you do not. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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"Roger Blake" wrote
| On 2018-09-02, nospam wrote: | no it definitely isn't a return to that. you obviously don't understand | what the cloud means or offers. | | Yes, it is. I was working in the computer industry back when things | were done that way. (Were you?) Conceptually it is the same thing. | Aren't both things partially true? I don't think the comparison to "the old days" is really very helpful. The current cloud is about converting computing itself into a retail rental service and converting the Internet into interactive cable TV. Mainframes were a structural necessity. Cloud comprises a number of strategies to sell you computing, seizing control of the functionality to sell it back to you. Even online software activation is a form of cloud. As is the case here with Adobe software. It's not running remotely. There's no real "cloud" at all. It's just crippleware that has to be allowed call home, so that you can be forced to pay rent. But that rental *is* cloud. In that sense, cloud is an insidious scam. But cloud is also a lot of online services that people want. Backup storage at dropbox. Image sharing at sites like imgur or postimage.org. Facebook. They all offered to provide a convenient service and people jumped at it. Just as people jumped at AOL rather than figure out the Internet for themselves. And just as graphics workers jumped at Adobe rental because it was the path of least resistance. We can't really separate those two aspects. People are walking into the jaws of the lion because they get something from it that they want. Also because they don't understand what they're giving up. Also because the changes are hidden to a great extent. (The average Win10 user has no idea that the licensing model has radically changed. Passive product activation was a stroke of genius on the part of Microsoft.) It's all of those things. If you focus only on the idea that it's someone else's computer then you're likely to get your land stolen while you argue about where the propety line is. One other note: nospam, in addition to being a compulsive arguer, is an Apple fanatic. Apple is arguably today's AOL. They sell pre-digested computing at steep prices to people who want convenience. If you have an iPhone it's all backed up by Apple. You don't have to think about it. For the average Apple fan like nospam, who doesn't even properly understand the idea of a file system, what's not to like? They pay a thousand bucks for a phone, but they get a shiny, futuristic gizmo that does 100 things and they don't have to understand *anything*. They can even flush it down the toilet. That will cost another $1,000, but aside from that there's no loss or hassle. That adorable picture of Junior trying to comb the cat's hair is still there! All Hail Lord Jobs. Who do I make the check out to? |
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On 9/3/2018 7:02 AM, Mayayana wrote:
Apple is arguably today's AOL. They sell pre-digested computing at steep prices to people who want convenience. There are Android phones in the same price range that offer the same convenience. If you have an iPhone it's all backed up by Apple. Likewise with premium Android manufacturers. You don't have to think about it. For the average Apple fan Likewise for the average Android fan. doesn't even properly understand the idea of a file system, what's not to like? Other than us geeks most don't care about the file system. They pay a thousand bucks for a phone, but they get a shiny, futuristic gizmo that does 100 things and they don't have to understand *anything*. The new (Android) Samsung phone is $1000+. All Hail Lord Jobs. Who do I make the check out to? Do I hear Jealousy?? BTW 1: Being from a mixed family (Android AND iStuff) I don't have an ax to grind either way. BTW 2: To keep this somewhat on topic, while I own a premium $1300 W10 laptop I am posting this on a $150 W10 tablet. Draw your own comparisons... |
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"123456789" wrote
| The new (Android) Samsung phone is $1000+. | Probably a good point about Android. I don't know and wasn't saying otherwise. The point was that nospam was arguing about the role of cloud and I was just pointing out that cloud, for the average Apple fan, is something more integral and seemingly benevolent than it is for Windows users. The iPhone was just an example of how Apple controls everything "from soup to nuts", and how Apple fans mostly like that. I wasn't talking about phones. It's an interesting question, though, whether Google might eventually succeed with a similar infantilization of their user base. I saw an article just today that ChromeOS devices, with it's pre- installed software, is expected by experts to give Windows a run for their money. And it's striking how many people use Chrome browser. The majority have embraced a spyware browser from a sleazeball advertising company. What do Apple and Gooogle have in common: They both exploit the customer shamelessly but they both also have a knack for designing useful and elegantly simple products. | All Hail Lord Jobs. Who do I make the check out to? | | Do I hear Jealousy?? | You seem to have missed my points entirely. |
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On 9/3/2018 8:37 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-09-03 11:02, 123456789 wrote: There are Android phones in the same price range that offer the same convenience. There are _cheaper_ Android phones that offer the same, er, convenience. And better cameras. Yup. Most people do buy those cheaper Android phones. But it's nice to have a choice. |
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On 9/3/2018 8:54 AM, Mayayana wrote:
was just pointing out that cloud, for the average Apple fan, is something more integral and seemingly benevolent than it is for Windows users. Agreed. IMO virtually all smartphones/tablets, (of either persuasion) are easier to use for the average person than most Windows devices. The iPhone was just an example of how Apple controls everything "from soup to nuts", and how Apple fans mostly like that. Of course. Apple is very successful because people like their stuff. It's an interesting question, though, whether Google might eventually succeed with a similar infantilization of their user base. Google's problem is that it doesn't control (most of) the hardware. I saw an article just today that ChromeOS devices, with it's pre- installed software, is expected by experts to give Windows a run for their money. I have a Chromebook. So far I've been disappointed. But it is a work in progress. Perhaps it will improve... And it's striking how many people use Chrome browser. Yup. Google does excel in the software business. What do Apple and Gooogle have in common: They both exploit the customer shamelessly I give Google $2 a month for my cloud storage. Google has a ways to go to catch my iStuff expenditures... 8-O |
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