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  #31  
Old October 9th 18, 01:02 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 16:52:38 -0700, 123456789 wrote:

On 10/8/2018 2:57 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 14:48:08 -0700, 123456789 wrote:


I block all toll free area codes also (home phone). Trouble is it no
longer works that well. Scammers/spammers now munge my local area code
in an attempt to get me to pick up.


You might want to look into the free NoMoRoBo. It works very well for
me.


Thanks much. Just signed up. Keeping fingers crossed...



You're welcome. Let us know what you think of it.
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  #32  
Old October 9th 18, 01:03 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Percival P. Cassidy
wrote:

But what about when numbers are spoofed, especially when the call
appears as a local number?


neighbor spoofing is *really* obnoxious. i've received calls with the
caller id of a companies i've done business with, only to find out it's
spam.

What if a local number is blocked because it
gets used by some robocaller a few times, and is blocked when it is
actually a neighbor calling from that number to tell me that some family
member has ben involved in an accident?


they leave a voicemail and you call them back.
  #33  
Old October 9th 18, 01:05 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 08 Oct 2018, "Percival P. Cassidy" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

But what about when numbers are spoofed, especially when the call
appears as a local number? What if a local number is blocked
because it gets used by some robocaller a few times, and is
blocked when it is actually a neighbor calling from that number to
tell me that some family member has ben involved in an accident?


I spot-check the numbers and I don't find any evidence of that
happening. If it does, the number can be reported as having been
blocked in error.

I'm willing to risk the tiny chance that a valid number will be blocked
for the benefit the service provides. It's not perfect, but it's the
best tool I've found.
  #34  
Old October 9th 18, 02:57 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 8 Oct 2018 13:07:57 -0500, Mathedman
wrote:

On 10/6/2018 6:48 PM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
On 10/6/18 4:08 PM, nospam wrote:

Got a call from 888-332-9444 claiming that our license had expired and
inviting us to renew.

it's not a new scam.

New to me. When I looked up the number, I saw posts from just the past
few days, but perhaps they were just the most recent and there were much
older ones if I'd scrolled down.


Sometimes you have to scroll a long time. You know you can set the
dates whose webpages you want to look at, rihgt?

Perce


Google "telephone area code 888"


And sometimes 888 numbers are spoofed, i think. I can't imagine they'd
give a real number.
  #35  
Old October 9th 18, 03:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10/08/2018 03:04 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Mark Lloyd
wrote:


I have blocked all the "toll free" codes except 800 itself (822, 833,
844, 855, 866, 877, 888, 899). This seems to block all those calls.


along with blocking banks, airlines and many other legitimate callers,
all who have toll-free numbers.


In case of that, I don't block 800 itself. Anyway, these numbers should
be used mainly for incoming calls to these businesses, and my blocking
won't affect that.

Still, I realize that no such measures (blocking calls) are perfect.

--
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day).

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"What excellent fools religion makes of men." -- Ben Jonson (1572-1637),
English poet and playwright
  #36  
Old October 9th 18, 03:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10/08/2018 03:22 PM, nospam wrote:

[snip]

'800 service' is generic and suggests spam, but isn't always.


That sounds like a junk call, like "TOLL FREE CALL". Do you have any
idea why phones won't block calls by "NAME"? It would help a lot with
these junk calls

BTW, wildcards could get a lot of the "City ST" junk. For example "* TX"
would get the Texas ones.

--
77 days until the winter celebration (Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:00:00 AM for 1
day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"What excellent fools religion makes of men." -- Ben Jonson (1572-1637),
English poet and playwright
  #37  
Old October 9th 18, 03:42 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10/08/2018 04:03 PM, Roy Smith wrote:

[snip]

I had a call from a Microsoft tech who said my PC had a virus, so I
asked him which one of my 5 PC's is it? He hung up...


"Which of my computers has a virus? What virus? How do you know? What
can *I* do about it? Why do you think I'd give a scammer access to MY
computer?"

BTW, I liked the video on YouTube where someone asked the scammer
personal questions, that an Indian wouldn't have answers to.

--
77 days until the winter celebration (Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:00:00 AM for 1
day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"What excellent fools religion makes of men." -- Ben Jonson (1572-1637),
English poet and playwright
  #38  
Old October 9th 18, 03:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10/08/2018 04:48 PM, 123456789 wrote:
On 10/8/2018 1:04 PM, nospam wrote:
Mark Lloyd wrote:


I have blocked all the "toll free" codes except 800 itself (822,
833, 844, 855, 866, 877, 888, 899). This seems to block all those
calls.


I block all toll free area codes also (home phone). Trouble is it no
longer works that well.


It still seems to be blocking the "TOLL FREE CALL" junk.

Scammers/spammers now munge my local area code
in an attempt to get me to pick up. My blocker has a 2500 number
capability but it's a losing battle since they all change numbers.


I still wonder why they don't block by caller ID NAME. That'd be more
effective.

Most of those calls are identified by "CITY ST" like "DALLAS TX" or
"BEEVILLE MO", or something else unlikely like "Out Of Area" or
"UNASSIGNED" (and sometimes meaningless "company names" like "SRU INC").
I avoid answering those, even if blocking is unable to work.

I
think I may invoke the final solution this year...cancel the home phone.


That might work, of maybe they'd start calling your mobile phone.

On the cell phone my blocker won't ring the phone unless the caller is
on my contact list.


Almost useless when you get calls from business such as doctors'
offices, with multiple unknown numbers,

Legitimate blocked callers can still leave a message
on voice mail.


And if you block the ring you might not get to pick up when you can
still talk to the caller.

Scammers/spammers seldom do.


True. One that did was the IRS scam, with it's messed up message "This
is Officer. You are being sued by the IRS...". Note it never said the
officer's name or WHO is being sued.

I think most are programmed
to quit after 4 rings or so.


On some the timing seems to be off, disconnecting at the same time my
answering machine picks up (it's likely a robocaller doing that). The
effect is that I get a recording of a dial tone and an error message
from my phone company.

along with blocking banks, airlines and many other legitimate
callers, all who have toll-free numbers.


Perhaps. But in the many years I've used the blocker I've not had one
problem (that I'm aware of). YMMV.


That problem shouldn't occur since toll-free numbers are used for
INCOMING calls. A business could make calls on the same line, but most
have separate lines for outgoing calls.

--
77 days until the winter celebration (Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:00:00 AM for 1
day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"What excellent fools religion makes of men." -- Ben Jonson (1572-1637),
English poet and playwright
  #39  
Old October 9th 18, 04:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10/08/2018 06:58 PM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:


[snip]

But what about when numbers are spoofed, especially when the call
appears as a local number? What if a local number is blocked because it
gets used by some robocaller a few times, and is blocked when it is
actually a neighbor calling from that number to tell me that some family
member has ben involved in an accident?

Perce


EVERY form of crime prevention has this potential to do harm.

However, there might not be much of that here. I've heard the spoofers
always pick numbers that aren't in use.

--
77 days until the winter celebration (Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:00:00 AM for 1
day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"What excellent fools religion makes of men." -- Ben Jonson (1572-1637),
English poet and playwright
  #40  
Old October 9th 18, 04:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Mark Lloyd
wrote:

'800 service' is generic and suggests spam, but isn't always.


That sounds like a junk call, like "TOLL FREE CALL". Do you have any
idea why phones won't block calls by "NAME"? It would help a lot with
these junk calls


caller id only sends the number.

the name is obtained by a cnam lookup by the destination central office
and only for landlines. if there is no name info in the database for
the number, it will show something generic. it can also be wrong.

BTW, wildcards could get a lot of the "City ST" junk. For example "* TX"
would get the Texas ones.


you can wildcard it by blocking entire area codes or exchanges.
  #41  
Old October 9th 18, 04:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10/9/2018 7:59 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 10/08/2018 04:48 PM, 123456789 wrote:


I avoid answering those [junk calls], even if blocking is unable to
work.


FOR ME...just listening to the 4 junk rings before the answering machine
picks up is annoying. Listening to the answering machine talking is
annoying. Zeroing out the answering machine junk calls is annoying. So
killing the calls before they ring was my main goal.

That might work, of maybe they'd start calling your mobile phone.


I doubt that most home and cell junk calls are related. They likely just
serial dial the numbers.

On the cell phone my blocker won't ring the phone unless the caller
is on my contact list.


Almost useless when you get calls from business such as doctors'
offices, with multiple unknown numbers,


Nothings perfect. Fortunately my doctor always calls from the number in
my contact list. And if I'm expecting a call from an unknown number I
can temporarily turn off the blocker app (has an on-off switch).

Legitimate blocked callers can still leave a message on voice
mail.


And if you block the ring you might not get to pick up when you can
still talk to the caller.


Another trade-off I'm willing to make to avoid having to dig out the
cell phone unnecessarily several times a day.

On some the timing seems to be off, disconnecting at the same time my
answering machine picks up (it's likely a robocaller doing that).
The effect is that I get a recording of a dial tone and an error
message from my phone company.


Yup. Me too (sometimes). I seem to have that problem more after I
replaced my cordless phones awhile back, so it may be a local problem.

Anyway, at the suggestion Ken Blake I've signed up my home phone for the
free online blocker NoMoRoBo. I've taken my other physical blocker out
of the line for the test. So we'll see. If it works I'll gladly pay the
$2 a month to add the service to my cell phone.

As requested I'll report back in a week or so on how things go...
  #42  
Old October 9th 18, 05:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Wolf K
wrote:

'800 service' is generic and suggests spam, but isn't always.

That sounds like a junk call, like "TOLL FREE CALL". Do you have any
idea why phones won't block calls by "NAME"? It would help a lot with
these junk calls


caller id only sends the number.

the name is obtained by a cnam lookup by the destination central office
and only for landlines. if there is no name info in the database for
the number, it will show something generic. it can also be wrong.


On both our cell and landline phones, if the cell number is in your
phone's contact list, Caller ID will use that.


then you have an unusual landline phone.
  #43  
Old October 9th 18, 07:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10/9/2018 9:20 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Wolf K


On both our cell and landline phones, if the cell number is in your
phone's contact list, Caller ID will use that.


then you have an unusual landline phone.


My landline phone system does the same. My cells are hooked by
Bluetooth to the home system. The home system uploaded the contact info
from both cell phones. When either the cell or home phone rings, the
home system displays the uploaded cell phone contact info on the
cordless handset. IF the caller is NOT in the uploaded contact lists,
then it displays normally.

  #44  
Old October 9th 18, 07:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Wolf K
wrote:

'800 service' is generic and suggests spam, but isn't always.

That sounds like a junk call, like "TOLL FREE CALL". Do you have any
idea why phones won't block calls by "NAME"? It would help a lot with
these junk calls

caller id only sends the number.

the name is obtained by a cnam lookup by the destination central office
and only for landlines. if there is no name info in the database for
the number, it will show something generic. it can also be wrong.

On both our cell and landline phones, if the cell number is in your
phone's contact list, Caller ID will use that.


then you have an unusual landline phone.


Just a cordless phone (one base, three handsets) with contact list facility.


in other words, not a normal phone.

and if the name isn't in the contacts list, which a spammer would not,
then it shows the cnam dip.
  #45  
Old October 9th 18, 08:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Wolf K
wrote:

'800 service' is generic and suggests spam, but isn't always.

That sounds like a junk call, like "TOLL FREE CALL". Do you have any
idea why phones won't block calls by "NAME"? It would help a lot with
these junk calls

caller id only sends the number.

the name is obtained by a cnam lookup by the destination central office
and only for landlines. if there is no name info in the database for
the number, it will show something generic. it can also be wrong.

On both our cell and landline phones, if the cell number is in your
phone's contact list, Caller ID will use that.

then you have an unusual landline phone.

Just a cordless phone (one base, three handsets) with contact list
facility.


in other words, not a normal phone.


All cordless phones available here have this facility. Can't recall when
they didn't, must be a decade or two by now.


some do, but definitely not all, and many of the cordless phones in use
are older models.

and if the name isn't in the contacts list, which a spammer would not,
then it shows the cnam dip.


Well, of course.


and that's the point.
 




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