[OT] Why you should use windows 8

On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 09:23:45 -0300, Shadow wrote:

Latest M$ ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf-XI-gihN8

Can you see yourself ?
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I use Windows 8.1, and I think it sucks! Unfortunately, when I went to the store that's all they had when my poor old Windows
XP Professional computer finally bit the dust, and went to computer heaven. Taken from an actual Windows 8.1 user; stick with
Windows 7 or XP as long as you can. Why in the world would I want these goofy tablet tiles cluttering up my screen? Touch
screen on a desktop is ridiculous; I like my mouse! Oh, yes, I have an android tablet, and I love the tiles when you have an
8 to 10-inch screen; However, on my desktop, I have two extremely large screens, so I can enjoy my online games, and I don't
use the other screen at all. I only use the desktop, and wish I could get rid of the tile crap altogether. I think Microsoft
screwed-up big time, and they need to get their heads out of their ass to fix it right....

Regards,

Bookworm Cowboy
Lakeland, Florida

On 07/29/2014 12:33 PM, Boolworm Cowboy wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 09:23:45 -0300, Shadow wrote:

Latest M$ ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf-XI-gihN8

Can you see yourself ?
[]'s

I use Windows 8.1, and I think it sucks! Unfortunately, when I went to the store that's all they had when my poor old Windows
XP Professional computer finally bit the dust, and went to computer heaven. Taken from an actual Windows 8.1 user; stick with
Windows 7 or XP as long as you can. Why in the world would I want these goofy tablet tiles cluttering up my screen? Touch
screen on a desktop is ridiculous; I like my mouse! Oh, yes, I have an android tablet, and I love the tiles when you have an
8 to 10-inch screen; However, on my desktop, I have two extremely large screens, so I can enjoy my online games, and I don't
use the other screen at all. I only use the desktop, and wish I could get rid of the tile crap altogether. I think Microsoft
screwed-up big time, and they need to get their heads out of their ass to fix it right....

Regards,

Bookworm Cowboy
Lakeland, Florida



Why not give Class Shell a go, http://classicshell.net. It brings back
the start menu and your desktop resembles Windows 7.

On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:33:39 -0400, Boolworm Cowboy
wrote:


I use Windows 8.1, and I think it sucks! Unfortunately, when I went to the store that's all they had when my poor old Windows
XP Professional computer finally bit the dust, and went to computer heaven. Taken from an actual Windows 8.1 user; stick with
Windows 7 or XP as long as you can. Why in the world would I want these goofy tablet tiles cluttering up my screen?


If you think you have to have "goofy tablet tiles cluttering up my
screen," you don't understand much about Windows 8. And that's not
your fault, it's Microsoft's fault for not making it clear. See below.


Touch screen on a desktop is ridiculous;


I agree, but it also is *not* required.



I like my mouse! Oh, yes, I have an android tablet, and I love the tiles when you have an
8 to 10-inch screen; However, on my desktop, I have two extremely large screens, so I can enjoy my online games, and I don't
use the other screen at all. I only use the desktop, and wish I could get rid of the tile crap altogether. I think Microsoft
screwed-up big time, and they need to get their heads out of their ass to fix it right....



I agree that Microsoft screwed up, but not so much with regard to what
Windows 8 *is*, but in how they advertised and documented it. They
have confused countless people who don't realize the following:

Windows 8 has two interfaces; the Modern/Metro Interface (which may
be all you've looked at) and the traditional Desktop Interface. You
can use either one or both.

That traditional Desktop Interface is almost identical to Windows 7's
interface; the biggest difference is that there is no Start Orb to
click to bring up the Start menu. But note that you can get the Start
Orb back by using one of several third-party programs, either free or
very inexpensive (Classic Shell at
http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/ and Start8 at
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/; my personal preference is
Start8, but they are both very good).

And going from one interface to the other is very easy; there are
several ways, but simply pressing the Windows key is perhaps the
easiest. Simply installing one of those two and using the traditional
desktop interface may be a better choice for you than going to
Windows 7.

I use Windows 8, almost exclusively with the traditional desktop
interface, and with Start 8 installed. If you were to look at and use
my computer, you would have a hard time realizing that it's not
Windows 7.

I also recommend that you read "How to Make Windows 8 or 8.1 Look and
Feel Like Windows 7" at http://www.howtogeek.com/elk/298/45121/4206

On 7/29/2014 1:51 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

I agree that Microsoft screwed up, but not so much with regard to what
Windows 8 *is*, but in how they advertised and documented it. They
have confused countless people who don't realize the following:

No, where MSFT screwed up was making the default interface for W8
consist of "goofy tablet tiles cluttering up my screen".

Sure, you can modify that with *third* *party* *tools*, but Joe User
uses what's put in front of him and /might/ change the wallpaper. The
fact that it can be tamed by third party tools means it's easily enough
done, and should have been done by MSFT. For tablets and touchscreen
laptops/desktops, Modern/Metro might have been a viable option, but it
should have been just that, an *option*.

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On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:51:35 -0400, Mark Warner
wrote:

On 7/29/2014 1:51 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

I agree that Microsoft screwed up, but not so much with regard to what
Windows 8 *is*, but in how they advertised and documented it. They
have confused countless people who don't realize the following:

No, where MSFT screwed up was making the default interface for W8
consist of "goofy tablet tiles cluttering up my screen".

Sure, you can modify that with *third* *party* *tools*, but Joe User
uses what's put in front of him and /might/ change the wallpaper. The
fact that it can be tamed by third party tools means it's easily enough
done, and should have been done by MSFT. For tablets and touchscreen
laptops/desktops, Modern/Metro might have been a viable option, but it
should have been just that, an *option*.

Exactly. This is bull**** about needing 'third party tools' to get your
start menu back.

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On 29/07/2014 18:51, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:33:39 -0400, Boolworm Cowboy
wrote:


I use Windows 8.1, and I think it sucks! Unfortunately, when I went to the store that's all they had when my poor old Windows
XP Professional computer finally bit the dust, and went to computer heaven. Taken from an actual Windows 8.1 user; stick with
Windows 7 or XP as long as you can. Why in the world would I want these goofy tablet tiles cluttering up my screen?


If you think you have to have "goofy tablet tiles cluttering up my
screen," you don't understand much about Windows 8. And that's not
your fault, it's Microsoft's fault for not making it clear. See below.


Touch screen on a desktop is ridiculous;


I agree, but it also is *not* required.



I like my mouse! Oh, yes, I have an android tablet, and I love the tiles when you have an
8 to 10-inch screen; However, on my desktop, I have two extremely large screens, so I can enjoy my online games, and I don't
use the other screen at all. I only use the desktop, and wish I could get rid of the tile crap altogether. I think Microsoft
screwed-up big time, and they need to get their heads out of their ass to fix it right....



I agree that Microsoft screwed up, but not so much with regard to what
Windows 8 *is*, but in how they advertised and documented it. They
have confused countless people who don't realize the following:

Windows 8 has two interfaces; the Modern/Metro Interface (which may
be all you've looked at) and the traditional Desktop Interface. You
can use either one or both.

That traditional Desktop Interface is almost identical to Windows 7's
interface; the biggest difference is that there is no Start Orb to
click to bring up the Start menu. But note that you can get the Start
Orb back by using one of several third-party programs, either free or
very inexpensive (Classic Shell at
http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/ and Start8 at
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/; my personal preference is
Start8, but they are both very good).

And going from one interface to the other is very easy; there are
several ways, but simply pressing the Windows key is perhaps the
easiest. Simply installing one of those two and using the traditional
desktop interface may be a better choice for you than going to
Windows 7.

I use Windows 8, almost exclusively with the traditional desktop
interface, and with Start 8 installed. If you were to look at and use
my computer, you would have a hard time realizing that it's not
Windows 7.

I also recommend that you read "How to Make Windows 8 or 8.1 Look and
Feel Like Windows 7" at http://www.howtogeek.com/elk/298/45121/4206



I also use Start8 in my MS windows 8.1, and again you would not know
straight away if I was using win7 or win8.1, as I use the traditional
desktop.

On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:51:35 -0400, Mark Warner
wrote:

On 7/29/2014 1:51 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

I agree that Microsoft screwed up, but not so much with regard to what
Windows 8 *is*, but in how they advertised and documented it. They
have confused countless people who don't realize the following:

No, where MSFT screwed up was making the default interface for W8
consist of "goofy tablet tiles cluttering up my screen".


That's your view. We disagree.

On 7/29/2014 3:21 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:51:35 -0400, Mark Warner wrote:
On 7/29/2014 1:51 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
I agree that Microsoft screwed up, but not so much with regard to what
Windows 8 *is*, but in how they advertised and documented it. They
have confused countless people who don't realize the following:
No, where MSFT screwed up was making the default interface for W8
consist of "goofy tablet tiles cluttering up my screen".

That's your view. We disagree.

You say:

"I use Windows 8, almost exclusively with the traditional desktop
interface, and with Start 8 installed. If you were to look at and use
my computer, you would have a hard time realizing that it's not
Windows 7."

Yet you think it's okay for the *default* interface to consist of "goofy
tablet tiles cluttering up my screen"??? Foist that on the
unsophisticated users while the MVPs apply hacks to make it behave the
way it should?

--
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:55:44 -0700, Charles Lindbergh
wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:21:47 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:51:35 -0400, Mark Warner
wrote:

On 7/29/2014 1:51 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

I agree that Microsoft screwed up, but not so much with regard to what
Windows 8 *is*, but in how they advertised and documented it. They
have confused countless people who don't realize the following:

No, where MSFT screwed up was making the default interface for W8
consist of "goofy tablet tiles cluttering up my screen".


That's your view. We disagree.

I agree with Mark.


Feel free to have whatever opinion you want.

On 7/29/2014 3:56 PM, Charles Lindbergh wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:30:53 -0400, Mark Warner wrote:
On 7/29/2014 3:21 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:51:35 -0400, Mark Warner wrote:
On 7/29/2014 1:51 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
I agree that Microsoft screwed up, but not so much with regard to what
Windows 8 *is*, but in how they advertised and documented it. They
have confused countless people who don't realize the following:
No, where MSFT screwed up was making the default interface for W8
consist of "goofy tablet tiles cluttering up my screen".
That's your view. We disagree.
You say:

"I use Windows 8, almost exclusively with the traditional desktop
interface, and with Start 8 installed. If you were to look at and use
my computer, you would have a hard time realizing that it's not
Windows 7."

Yet you think it's okay for the *default* interface to consist of "goofy
tablet tiles cluttering up my screen"??? Foist that on the
unsophisticated users while the MVPs apply hacks to make it behave the
way it should?

Mark, your logic is unimpeachable.

Of course. What do expect from a Linux user?

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On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 13:17:53 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:55:44 -0700, Charles Lindbergh
wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:21:47 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:51:35 -0400, Mark Warner
wrote:

On 7/29/2014 1:51 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

I agree that Microsoft screwed up, but not so much with regard to what
Windows 8 *is*, but in how they advertised and documented it. They
have confused countless people who don't realize the following:

No, where MSFT screwed up was making the default interface for W8
consist of "goofy tablet tiles cluttering up my screen".


That's your view. We disagree.

I agree with Mark.


Feel free to have whatever opinion you want.

Microsoft didn't 'confuse countless people' they dumped on their loyal
desktop users. *DUMPED* as in **** bucketloads over them. Their arrogance
is astonishing and so is yours pal. I'm not 'confused' at all. So let's
clear up any confusion. *Desktop users want the option of having a start
menu*. Do you seriously think corporate clients want to rely on a third
party tool? Larf.

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On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:29:35 -0400
Mark Warner wrote:

On 7/29/2014 3:56 PM, Charles Lindbergh wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:30:53 -0400, Mark Warner wrote:
On 7/29/2014 3:21 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:51:35 -0400, Mark Warner wrote:
On 7/29/2014 1:51 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
I agree that Microsoft screwed up, but not so much with regard
to what Windows 8 *is*, but in how they advertised and
documented it. They have confused countless people who don't
realize the following:
No, where MSFT screwed up was making the default interface for
W8 consist of "goofy tablet tiles cluttering up my screen".
That's your view. We disagree.
You say:

"I use Windows 8, almost exclusively with the traditional desktop
interface, and with Start 8 installed. If you were to look at and
use my computer, you would have a hard time realizing that it's not
Windows 7."

Yet you think it's okay for the *default* interface to consist of
"goofy tablet tiles cluttering up my screen"??? Foist that on the
unsophisticated users while the MVPs apply hacks to make it behave
the way it should?

Mark, your logic is unimpeachable.

Of course. What do expect from a Linux user?


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On 7/29/2014 11:50 AM, cully when wrote:
Why not give Class Shell a go, http://classicshell.net. It brings back the start menu and your
desktop resembles Windows 7.

I use Classic Shell and a mouse, and my Windows 7 experience translates nicely to Windows 8.

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On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:51:35 -0400, Mark Warner
wrote:

On 7/29/2014 1:51 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

I agree that Microsoft screwed up, but not so much with regard to what
Windows 8 *is*, but in how they advertised and documented it. They
have confused countless people who don't realize the following:

No, where MSFT screwed up was making the default interface for W8
consist of "goofy tablet tiles cluttering up my screen".

Sure, you can modify that with *third* *party* *tools*, but Joe User
uses what's put in front of him and /might/ change the wallpaper. The
fact that it can be tamed by third party tools means it's easily enough
done, and should have been done by MSFT. For tablets and touchscreen
laptops/desktops, Modern/Metro might have been a viable option, but it
should have been just that, an *option*.

Exactly. This is bull**** about needing 'third party tools' to get your
start menu back.

Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.


FWIW, when I fireup my desktop, I click on the Firefox tile in the middle
of the screen (it's usually the first app that I use)and I'm right back to
the desktop.

To get and old style "Start menu", right click on the taskbar, select
Toolbar|Create Toolbar... and select the folder "C:\ProgramData\Microsoft
\Windows\Start Menu (on my Windows, it's called "Menu Démarrer").

On my system it put the new toolbar on the right side of the taskbar but it
works like a charm.

HTH

On 7/29/2014 2:30 PM, Mark Warner wrote:
Yet you think it's okay for the *default* interface to consist of "goofy tablet tiles cluttering up
my screen"??? Foist that on the unsophisticated users while the MVPs apply hacks to make it behave
the way it should?


Been doing that since I installed DESQview atop MSDOS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DESQview