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Support for Windows 10 version 1511 ends tomorrow.
Elvira wrote:
https://betanews.com/2017/10/09/supp...+News+Articles http://preview.tinyurl.com/yacmokbc They may say that, but the evidence was a couple weeks ago, that *all* released versions had received some sort of patch in the last month. I was a bit surprised by that. I was hoping to see that only two versions were receiving patches, which was the announced Microsoft policy, but that doesn't seem to be the case. So while people can write enthusiastic little articles like that one, you really need to go looking for the evidence yourself, of doom and gloom. The stated policy at one time was that "Windows Update would stop working if your version was too old". Which also turned out to be bull****. The actual policy is a function of the ecosystem. For example, when they discovered too many people were running older versions (and Windows Update was jammed), Microsoft put an icon on the desktop of the user, "offering to update to the next version". That icon wasn't always there. And is Microsoft "shepherding" the user base. "Well, maybe if they click that icon, we can move them forward." You can find users visiting this group, for which their Windows Update has been broken for more than a year. And it spins in circles and tries to do the same updates over and over and over again... Telemetry was supposed to enable seeing this, and doing something about it. And you can see how successful this approach is. Microsoft set ambitious targets for themselves. The guys at the Geek Squad, aren't out of work yet. Paul |
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"Paul" wrote
| So while people can write enthusiastic little articles like | that one, you really need to go looking for the evidence | yourself, of doom and gloom. | There is some interesting evidence being reported in a related matter. (See BBC News, The Register and others.) MS have made clear that they're giving up on phones. (Bill Gates uses an Android!) Not exactly a surprise, but it's the first time they've actually admitted failure. It's an interesting development and clearly said the platform is kaput in terms of development. The main point of the Metro UI and Metro/RT/universal apps was to provide consistency across desktops and phones, and to sell a kind of "Microsoft lifestyle" gimmick. Now they've got the Metro app thing being pushed on the desktop and they don't even have a mobile product to lend a rationale to it. And tablets? The Surface seems to be successful because it's more like a laptop. So whither Win10? Maybe something like a Java-esque tablet sandbox browser device, with online-connected, subscription software, is the planned destination. But that seems especially odd now, as a desktop-only design. |
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On 10/9/2017 11:23 AM, Paul wrote:
Elvira wrote: https://betanews.com/2017/10/09/supp...+News+Articles http://preview.tinyurl.com/yacmokbc They may say that, but the evidence was a couple weeks ago, that *all* released versions had received some sort of patch in the last month. I was a bit surprised by that. I was hoping to see that only two versions were receiving patches, which was the announced Microsoft policy, but that doesn't seem to be the case. So while people can write enthusiastic little articles like that one, you really need to go looking for the evidence yourself, of doom and gloom. The stated policy at one time was that "Windows Update would stop working if your version was too old". Which also turned out to be bull****. The actual policy is a function of the ecosystem. For example, when they discovered too many people were running older versions (and Windows Update was jammed), Microsoft put an icon on the desktop of the user, "offering to update to the next version". That icon wasn't always there. And is Microsoft "shepherding" the user base. "Well, maybe if they click that icon, we can move them forward." You can find users visiting this group, for which their Windows Update has been broken for more than a year. And it spins in circles and tries to do the same updates over and over and over again... Telemetry was supposed to enable seeing this, and doing something about it. And you can see how successful this approach is. Microsoft set ambitious targets for themselves. The guys at the Geek Squad, aren't out of work yet. ** Paul Hi Paul, Happy thanksgiving day. Do you have any info as to when the Fall major update is due to roll out? Thanks, Rene |
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Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 10/9/2017 11:23 AM, Paul wrote: Elvira wrote: https://betanews.com/2017/10/09/supp...+News+Articles http://preview.tinyurl.com/yacmokbc They may say that, but the evidence was a couple weeks ago, that *all* released versions had received some sort of patch in the last month. I was a bit surprised by that. I was hoping to see that only two versions were receiving patches, which was the announced Microsoft policy, but that doesn't seem to be the case. So while people can write enthusiastic little articles like that one, you really need to go looking for the evidence yourself, of doom and gloom. The stated policy at one time was that "Windows Update would stop working if your version was too old". Which also turned out to be bull****. The actual policy is a function of the ecosystem. For example, when they discovered too many people were running older versions (and Windows Update was jammed), Microsoft put an icon on the desktop of the user, "offering to update to the next version". That icon wasn't always there. And is Microsoft "shepherding" the user base. "Well, maybe if they click that icon, we can move them forward." You can find users visiting this group, for which their Windows Update has been broken for more than a year. And it spins in circles and tries to do the same updates over and over and over again... Telemetry was supposed to enable seeing this, and doing something about it. And you can see how successful this approach is. Microsoft set ambitious targets for themselves. The guys at the Geek Squad, aren't out of work yet. Paul Hi Paul, Happy thanksgiving day. Do you have any info as to when the Fall major update is due to roll out? Thanks, Rene It must be soon. On the Insider Edition, they've stooped to doing point updates for the moment. My Insider install might be at 16299.15 right now. Normally they change the whole OS every time, so it would be 16291.0 then 16299.0 . And the last time, they bumped the existing one to .15. The Release Candidate is probably 16299. The release of it must be just around the corner. My suspicion is, when you get your update from 15063.608 or whatever it is today, first it will change to 16299.0, and then shortly after it'll do a point release to 16299.15 or later. They are unlikely to release 16299.15 as the DVD or Windows Update version. And it will start at .0, using materials they've created a week or two ago. Once the release comes out, Microsoft hurries out an Insider version so that the Insider doesn't stay at 16299 for more than a few days (after the Release one comes out). The Insider might become 16500.0 or so, while the November update you'll be receiving will receive point updates to 16299.100 and so on. (The point release for yours will keep advancing until the release date.) Microsoft has already announced the date for launch of the release, but they can of course change that date if there are still problems with it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window...ersion_history "Fall Creators Update October 17, 2017 16299" HTH, Paul |
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Mayayana wrote:
The main point of the Metro UI and Metro/RT/universal apps was to provide consistency across desktops and phones, and to sell a kind of "Microsoft lifestyle" gimmick. They'll claim it has to stay, because X-box. |
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 11:51:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote: Hi Paul, Happy thanksgiving day. Do you have any info as to when the Fall major update is due to roll out? I'm not Paul, but it's *supposed* to be October 17. But not everything happens when it's supposed to. We'll see. Ken |
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On 10/9/2017 12:51 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 11:51:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: Hi Paul, Happy thanksgiving day. Do you have any info as to when the Fall major update is due to roll out? I'm not Paul, but it's *supposed* to be October 17. But not everything happens when it's supposed to. We'll see. Ken Thanks, Paul and Ken. Rene |
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Ken Blake wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote: when [is] the Fall major update is due to roll out? it's *supposed* to be October 17. But not everything happens when it's supposed to. We'll see. Indeed, the Spring Creators edition was made available for non-insiders about a week early ... |
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"Andy Burns" wrote
| The main point of the Metro UI and Metro/RT/universal apps was to | provide consistency across desktops and phones, and to sell a kind of | "Microsoft lifestyle" gimmick. | | They'll claim it has to stay, because X-box. | Ah. I forgot all about X-Box. Is that still a thing? Funny that they've failed numerous times with phones but managed to compete with Sony and Nintendo on games. I remember at the beginning that Sony was swaggering about how MS would never be a threat because they lacked expertise. |
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