Hack-A-Mac, macOS High Sierra security vulnerability discovered

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:


The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.

either it's misconfigured or you're lying.

I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.

it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.

imacs and mac minis offer a choice of hd, hybrid or ssd.

macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.

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Doomsdrzej wrote:

On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:38:52 +0000, RJH wrote:

On 30/11/2017 13:28, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
wrote:

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Doomsdrzej wrote:

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
wrote:

https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-t...root-password/

Lol!

The Mac is a ****ing joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.

Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.

Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.


You're too kind :-)

I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.

While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.

The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing. I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.

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Lewis wrote:

In message Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
wrote:

https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-t...root-password/

Lol!

The Mac is a ****ing joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.

Yeah, it's not like every windows computer has a rin -3 vulnerability
built in that give anyone access to the computer, the hardware, andthe
firmware.

Oh, wait...

That's because they don't.

Anybody with any brains knows about the AMT management I/F and
simply turns it off.

Apple users are stupid.

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Paul Harvey wrote:

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
wrote:

In article
Doomsdrzej wrote:

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
wrote:

https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-t...root-password/

Lol!

The Mac is a ****ing joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.

Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.

Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.

I take it you haven't found a cure for your unbridled cocksucking?

That's the other Mac user problem. Many of them are homos. All
they can think about is sucking on penises.

On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:49:59 +0000, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:38:52 +0000, RJH wrote:

On 30/11/2017 13:28, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
wrote:

In article
Doomsdrzej wrote:

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
wrote:

https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-t...root-password/

Lol!

The Mac is a ****ing joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.

Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.

Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.

You're too kind :-)

I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.

While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.

The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing. I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.

And being an arse, who'd rather be an arse rather than be helpful,
you've not bothered to go onto ebay and get a 2011/2012 Mini with one
drive, and then take it to your friendly local Mac shop and ask them to
add an SSD as the primary drive in the empty drive mount.

I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware. No sane person
would ask them to shell out even more money (even though they did on
RAM which was promised to speed things up and did no such thing) to
remedy Apple's idiotic decision to use an HD in the era of SSDs.

We've got two like that here are they are perfectly adequate,
speed-wise.

Because, as Apple users, your standards for security and performance
are low. You'd be just as satisfied with an unreliable and slow Fiat
500 if someone slapped an Apple logo on it.

On 2017-11-30 3:08 PM, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:49:59 +0000, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:38:52 +0000, RJH wrote:

On 30/11/2017 13:28, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
wrote:

In article
Doomsdrzej wrote:

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
wrote:

https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-t...root-password/

Lol!

The Mac is a ****ing joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.

Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.

Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.

You're too kind :-)

I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.

While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.

The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing. I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.

And being an arse, who'd rather be an arse rather than be helpful,
you've not bothered to go onto ebay and get a 2011/2012 Mini with one
drive, and then take it to your friendly local Mac shop and ask them to
add an SSD as the primary drive in the empty drive mount.

I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware. No sane person
would ask them to shell out even more money (even though they did on
RAM which was promised to speed things up and did no such thing) to
remedy Apple's idiotic decision to use an HD in the era of SSDs.

Blah, blah, blah.

It's all bull**** until you give us some specifics.


We've got two like that here are they are perfectly adequate,
speed-wise.

Because, as Apple users, your standards for security and performance
are low. You'd be just as satisfied with an unreliable and slow Fiat
500 if someone slapped an Apple logo on it.

On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 17:02:06 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:


The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.

either it's misconfigured or you're lying.

Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.

I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.

it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.

A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you ****.
Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got. The fact
that Apple uses an HD in a default configuration and still charges top
dollar is a testament to what kind of thieves run that social justice
clown company.

imacs and mac minis offer a choice of hd, hybrid or ssd.

macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.

And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.

On 2017-11-30 3:11 PM, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 17:02:06 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:


The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.

either it's misconfigured or you're lying.

Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.

I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.

it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.

A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you ****.
Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got. The fact
that Apple uses an HD in a default configuration and still charges top
dollar is a testament to what kind of thieves run that social justice
clown company.

"Thieves"? They forced your parents to buy, did they?

What a pity their allegedly-knowledgeable child wasn't there to set them
straight...



imacs and mac minis offer a choice of hd, hybrid or ssd.

macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.

And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.

LOL!

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:


I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware.

nonsense.

prices are similar for similar configurations, often less expensive.

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:


The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.

either it's misconfigured or you're lying.

Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.

8 gig memory is plenty for most people, certainly for parents who
aren't likely to be doing much more than web surfing and email.

you were also talking about hd versus ssd speeds, not memory.

since you're trying to move the goalposts, it's clear that you're lying.

I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.

it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.

A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you ****.

yes it does. best buy and other resellers sell every configuration.

Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got. The fact
that Apple uses an HD in a default configuration and still charges top
dollar is a testament to what kind of thieves run that social justice
clown company.

it's not apple's fault if best buy was out of stock of the other
configurations.

they could have gone to another store or ordered online with next day
delivery.

imacs and mac minis offer a choice of hd, hybrid or ssd.

macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.

And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.

you'd lose.

On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:25:57 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:


I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware.

nonsense.

prices are similar for similar configurations, often less expensive.

Prices are similar only at the high end. Most people do not buy high
end.

I can buy an excellent PC laptop for much less than $1000 Canadian.
What does the cheapest Macbook cost? Well over $1000 actually my
sister just bought a Macbook Air and it was $1200 Canadian and the
specs are low for that Macbook. I can buy a PC laptop with a much
better cpu, bigger screen, 1tb or bigger Hdd and 8 to 16 GB of Ram for
about $800 at Bestbuy. You always say that the prices are comparable
but that is a lie. I used the word 'lie' because that seems to be the
way you often respond to people. You rude little ****.

On 2017-11-30 23:11:17 +0000, Doomsdrzej said:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 17:02:06 -0500, nospam
wrote:
In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:

The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.

either it's misconfigured or you're lying.

Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.

The newer ones are more difficult than the older ones due to Apple no
longer having the bottom plastic cap easily removeable.



I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.

it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.

A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you ****.

Everywhere that sells Macs can order a build-to-order model for a
customer ... but few bother to advertise that fact nor say what the
possible options are.

On the other hand, most people buying a brand new car will always ask
for the "options list".

On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 15:40:24 -0800, Krypto
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:25:57 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:


I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware.

nonsense.

prices are similar for similar configurations, often less expensive.

Prices are similar only at the high end. Most people do not buy high
end.

I can buy an excellent PC laptop for much less than $1000 Canadian.
What does the cheapest Macbook cost? Well over $1000 actually my
sister just bought a Macbook Air and it was $1200 Canadian and the
specs are low for that Macbook. I can buy a PC laptop with a much
better cpu, bigger screen, 1tb or bigger Hdd and 8 to 16 GB of Ram for
about $800 at Bestbuy. You always say that the prices are comparable
but that is a lie. I used the word 'lie' because that seems to be the
way you often respond to people. You rude little ****.

I should also mention that her $1200 Macbook Air has the ram soldered
to the motherboard so she can't upgrade the ram at all. What a ripoff
that is! You can upgrade or replace the ram on a PC laptop easily.
Macbook airs are throwaways if anything goes wrong with the ram. Total
ripoff!

I also call bull**** to your claim that 'Macs often cost less'. That
is another lie you like to tell. My sisters Macbook looks real nice, I
will give you that. Too bad the Macbook air is built with low-grade
parts and has such limited upgrade ability.

The phrase "a pig with lipstick" comes to mind.

On 2017-11-30 21:40:14 +0000, Doomsdrzej said:

The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.
snip

It's not "sluggish" ... you're simply impatient. I bought one earlier
this year to replace a dead 18-year-old PowerMac G3, and the Mac mini
is much faster than that was. It used to take a few minutes to produce
a PDF from Adobe InDesign on the G3, but it is a lot quicker on the Mac
mini. :-)

Having said that, the Mac mini has not really been updated since late
2014, so it is a bit behind the likes of the more recently updated
iMac, Apple's laptops, and many Windoze boxes.

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nospam wrote:

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:


The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.

either it's misconfigured or you're lying.

I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.

it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.

imacs and mac minis offer a choice of hd, hybrid or ssd.

macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.

Yep and most people in line at the Apple store are having
problems with those drives and TRIM not working or some other
stupid thing that should work, but doesn't.

Then there is the magical backup where data goes into the iCloud
and simply disappears, never to be found again.