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  #61  
Old December 1st 17, 08:15 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
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Default Hack-A-Mac, macOS High Sierra security vulnerability discovered

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:

But twice the price of similar models from other companies therefore
"top dollar."


nope.
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  #62  
Old December 1st 17, 08:15 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Hack-A-Mac, macOS High Sierra security vulnerability discovered

In article , Doomsdrzej
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FWIW, I can replace this quad core PC with 4GB and 500GB disk
off eBay for $100. Got a spare ready in the corner if I ever
need it. What's a replacement Mac cost?

Riiiiiight. Let's see this $100 PC you could buy.


https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Custom-Built...Hz-256GB-SSD-B
lack-Desktop-Computer/232576567954?hash=item3626a4ca92:g:NJIAAOSwZqZaEI5 T


that is not a final price.

that listing has a week to go and ti will sell for much more than $100.


Yes, because the market for used computers that don't particularly
look any good is very hot.


making excuses so quickly?

Just look for "used desktop PC" on eBay and you will find similar
machines for exactly the price he said and they would have a "Buy It
Now" option.


not with the same specs.

further, comparing the prices of a used computer off ebay with no
warranty whatsoever with a new mac that has a full warranty and support
is as disingenuous as it gets.
  #63  
Old December 1st 17, 08:17 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Hack-A-Mac, macOS High Sierra security vulnerability discovered

On 2017-12-01, nospam wrote:
In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:

Specifics of WHAT, pray tell? Boot time is slow, applications
opening is slow, applications closing is slow, navigating through
the file system is slow. _EVERYTHING_ is slow.

then something is *wrong*. that is definitely *not* normal.


Before you suggest a "cleaner" to fix the problem, already done.


'cleaners' make things worse. do not use.


And if he knew anything at all about Macs or macOS, he'd know that.

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  #64  
Old December 1st 17, 09:00 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Hack-A-Mac, macOS High Sierra security vulnerability discovered

In article
Doomsdrzej wrote:

On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 17:02:06 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:


The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.


either it's misconfigured or you're lying.


Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.

I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.


it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.


A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you ****.
Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got. The fact
that Apple uses an HD in a default configuration and still charges top
dollar is a testament to what kind of thieves run that social justice
clown company.

imacs and mac minis offer a choice of hd, hybrid or ssd.

macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.


And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.


Oh but Mac graphics and Intel processors are so much more
superior than Windows GPUs and Intel processors. Lol, can't
believe they still use that line.

  #65  
Old December 1st 17, 09:03 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Hack-A-Mac, macOS High Sierra security vulnerability discovered

In article ers.net,
Anonymous wrote:


And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.


Oh but Mac graphics and Intel processors are so much more
superior than Windows GPUs and Intel processors. Lol, can't
believe they still use that line.


they don't, but the software certainly is *much* better.
  #66  
Old December 1st 17, 09:56 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Hack-A-Mac, macOS High Sierra security vulnerability discovered

In article
Alan Baker wrote:

On 2017-11-30 3:11 PM, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 17:02:06 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:


The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing.

either it's misconfigured or you're lying.


Yeah, because adding RAM to a Mac Mini is soooooo complicated.

I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.

it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.


A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you ****.
Not everyone believes in going to the Apple site to replace a Mac Mini
that just died. They wanted one NOW and that's what they got. The fact
that Apple uses an HD in a default configuration and still charges top
dollar is a testament to what kind of thieves run that social justice
clown company.


"Thieves"? They forced your parents to buy, did they?


You're right. Abusive forced child labor master is a better
descriptor.

What a pity their allegedly-knowledgeable child wasn't there to set them
straight...



imacs and mac minis offer a choice of hd, hybrid or ssd.

macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.


And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.


LOL!


  #67  
Old December 1st 17, 09:56 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 1 Dec 2017 19:14:24 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:


On 2017-12-01, Doomsdrzej wrote:


Who the _****_ sells a machine _without_ an SSD in this day and age
other than Apple?


Most major manufacturers still sell machines with traditional hard
drives.



And most of what they sell has no SSD.
  #68  
Old December 1st 17, 11:34 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article
nospam wrote:

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:


I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware.


nonsense.

prices are similar for similar configurations, often less expensive.


Disagree.

I can buy a decent 15.6" brand new laptop for less than $400.

I see a LOT of "refurbished" MacBooks at $460+, but they are 11,
12, 13 inch models with practically no real disk space available.

  #69  
Old December 1st 17, 11:40 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Hack-A-Mac, macOS High Sierra security vulnerability discovered

On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:54:58 -0800, Alan Baker
wrote:

On 2017-12-01 7:12 AM, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:45:37 -0800, Alan Baker
wrote:

On 2017-11-30 6:17 PM, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 15:10:27 -0800, Alan Baker
wrote:

On 2017-11-30 3:08 PM, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:49:59 +0000, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:38:52 +0000, RJH wrote:

On 30/11/2017 13:28, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
wrote:

In article
Doomsdrzej wrote:

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
wrote:

https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-t...root-password/

Lol!

The Mac is a ****ing joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.

Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.

Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.

You're too kind :-)

I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.

While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.

The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing. I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.

And being an arse, who'd rather be an arse rather than be helpful,
you've not bothered to go onto ebay and get a 2011/2012 Mini with one
drive, and then take it to your friendly local Mac shop and ask them to
add an SSD as the primary drive in the empty drive mount.

I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware. No sane person
would ask them to shell out even more money (even though they did on
RAM which was promised to speed things up and did no such thing) to
remedy Apple's idiotic decision to use an HD in the era of SSDs.

Blah, blah, blah.

It's all bull**** until you give us some specifics.

Specifics of WHAT, pray tell? Boot time is slow, applications opening
is slow, applications closing is slow, navigating through the file
system is slow. _EVERYTHING_ is slow.

Which Mac Mini exactly?


Whatever they released around 2013.


So you parents bought a Mac Mini at best buy in 2013 to replace a
machine that failed?


Did I stutter?
  #70  
Old December 1st 17, 11:51 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article ers.net,
Anonymous wrote:

Have you considered WHY a Mercedes or BMW dealership would need
a coffee bar, dining area, courtesy cars and ass-kissers on
demand? Those are the next steps for both Apple and M$ stores
BTW.


Have you ever considered that people really like those cars?


Other than draw tickets, sneers, spit and key scratches in
parking lots for excessive vanity, what do those cars do that
any Hyundai won't do as well?

Do they come with a courtesy blow job each time you drive one?


sure do.
  #71  
Old December 1st 17, 11:51 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Anonymous
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I can buy a decent 15.6" brand new laptop for less than $400.


yes you can, and possibly even for less than that, however, it will not
have anywhere near the same specs as a 15" macbook pro.

the display on that $400 noname piece of junk won't be a wide gamut
dci-p3 retina display that's found on a macbook pro, nor will that $400
noname piece of junk have a touchid sensor or thunderbolt 3 (40 gb/s).

microsoft's surface laptop starts at $1000 with a paltry 128 gig ssd, 4
gig memory and an i5 processor, more than twice your noname piece of
junk with unknown specs.

the only way to get 512 gig ssd on the surface laptop is by moving up
to 16 gig memory and an i7, which brings the price to $2200, over four
times as much as your noname piece of junk.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/stor...op/90FC23DV6SN
Z?cid=surfacelaptopinterstitial630
  #72  
Old December 1st 17, 11:54 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 17:20:41 -0500 (EST), Anonymous
wrote:

In article
Alan Baker wrote:

On 2017-11-30 4:11 PM, Anonymous wrote:
In article
RJH wrote:

I find a curious parallel of people who buy Apple products to
those who lease Mercedes and BMW money pits.

Have you considered WHY a Mercedes or BMW dealership would need
a coffee bar, dining area, courtesy cars and ass-kissers on
demand? Those are the next steps for both Apple and M$ stores
BTW.


Have you ever considered that people really like those cars?


Other than draw tickets, sneers, spit and key scratches in
parking lots for excessive vanity, what do those cars do that
any Hyundai won't do as well?

Do they come with a courtesy blow job each time you drive one?


Not each time, no. That's OK with me, though. Sometimes I'm short on
time.

  #73  
Old December 2nd 17, 12:07 AM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 01 Dec 2017 15:03:22 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article ers.net,
Anonymous wrote:


And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.


Oh but Mac graphics and Intel processors are so much more
superior than Windows GPUs and Intel processors. Lol, can't
believe they still use that line.


they don't, but the software certainly is *much* better.


Oh yeah, an operating system that allows you to log in as root simply
by writing root into the username field and pressing enter is truly
stellar software.
  #74  
Old December 2nd 17, 12:11 AM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 01 Dec 2017 14:15:56 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:

FWIW, I can replace this quad core PC with 4GB and 500GB disk
off eBay for $100. Got a spare ready in the corner if I ever
need it. What's a replacement Mac cost?

Riiiiiight. Let's see this $100 PC you could buy.


https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Custom-Built...Hz-256GB-SSD-B
lack-Desktop-Computer/232576567954?hash=item3626a4ca92:g:NJIAAOSwZqZaEI5 T

that is not a final price.

that listing has a week to go and ti will sell for much more than $100.


Yes, because the market for used computers that don't particularly
look any good is very hot.


making excuses so quickly?

Just look for "used desktop PC" on eBay and you will find similar
machines for exactly the price he said and they would have a "Buy It
Now" option.


not with the same specs.


So what's this?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HP-6300-Compa...AOSwGNtZxQr J

further, comparing the prices of a used computer off ebay with no
warranty whatsoever with a new mac that has a full warranty and support
is as disingenuous as it gets.


Idiot. The guy said that he could _replace_ his PC with one on eBay
for $100. He mentioned nothing about needing it to be new or to have a
warranty.
  #75  
Old December 2nd 17, 12:12 AM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 21:39:23 +0000 (GMT), Cornelis Tromp
wrote:

In article
nospam wrote:

In article ers.net,
Anonymous wrote:


While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.

Play with Macs, earn money on PCs is how it works. My PC is
responsible for a little over a $100K annually.


$100k? that's it?


Good enough for my needs. Pays the bills and covers my health
insurance with approx 30 hours a week at my convenience.

What's your Mac generating?


Electrical bills.

snip
 




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