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Windows Explorer Replacements
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 16:10:05 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote: On 12/7/17 3:16 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On another quest to find a replacement for the default Windows Explorer. What I'm looking for would actually replace Windows Explorer, much like Classic Shell replaces the Start Menu. Meaning, when I right click on the Start Button, and select Explore, the replacement is used, not the Explorer from MS. Does anyone know of one? I'm getting bleary-eyed from trying different file manager programs. So far, none have met the desire to have it run instead of the MS version when you go Startright clickExplore. That's a main wish at my end, followed by the hierarchical structure lines. That includes Directory Opus, which looks like a magnificent program. Directory Opus *does* do that. But if I remember correctly, I had to change a setting somewhere to make it do that. |
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Windows Explorer Replacements
On 07/12/2017 22:16, Ken Springer wrote:
On another quest to find a replacement for the default Windows Explorer. What I'm looking for would actually replace Windows Explorer, much like Classic Shell replaces the Start Menu. Meaning, when I right click on the Start Button, and select Explore, the replacement is used, not the Explorer from MS. Does anyone know of one? Linux has something like that. Linux is used by 500 supercomputers so you can be 501st person to use it to get replacement for Windows Explorer. I prefer to use Windows File Explorer because it's quite versatile. Why are you using Windows explorer? You want to explore your files and get things done quickly. No need to explore your windows or doors. It's a complete waste of time especially for a person like you at an advanced [st]age in life. -- With over 600 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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Windows Explorer Replacements
On 12/9/17 2:26 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 07/12/2017 22:16, Ken Springer wrote: On another quest to find a replacement for the default Windows Explorer. What I'm looking for would actually replace Windows Explorer, much like Classic Shell replaces the Start Menu. Meaning, when I right click on the Start Button, and select Explore, the replacement is used, not the Explorer from MS. Does anyone know of one? Linux has something like that. Linux is used by 500 supercomputers so you can be 501st person to use it to get replacement for Windows Explorer. I prefer to use Windows File Explorer because it's quite versatile. Why are you using Windows explorer? You want to explore your files and get things done quickly. No need to explore your windows or doors. It's a complete waste of time especially for a person like you at an advanced [st]age in life. You write a straight up reply without all your bull****, and I'll tell you why. Plain and simple. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.11.6 Firefox 53.0.2 (64 bit) Thunderbird 52.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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Windows Explorer Replacements
On 12/9/17 2:24 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Ken Springer" wrote | I'll have to check YouTube to see if there's any videos on using Process | Explorer in the way you are speaking about. | | I've never used process explorer. | Woops. Sorry. No problem. I meant Process Monitor. It started out as Regmon and Filemon. (I still use those.) The former recorded Registry actions in real time. The latter did the same for the file system. ProcMon puts it all together. ProcMon is slow and clunky compared to the earlier versions. It requires a period of time just to stop monitoring. But you can set filters to reduce the data, which can get voluminous. None of which I have ever used. This is a level of technicality that only interests me if it lets me meet a goal or need. As an example, just opening IE typically causes about 5,000 Registry actions. It checks and writes the same values, over and over and over. I don't know why. The only explanation I can think of is that Microsoft is practicing aobscurity through volume, trying to hide the numerous poorly documented settings that IE checks. But most software is far more well designed than that. Most program just do a few, or maybe a few dozen, Registry actions when they start. And since Procmon identifies the process doing the actions, you can do something like monitor only Classic Shell without too much trouble. I think what I will try is, install Classic Shell, turn the lines on, and then see what happens when I: a) Uninstall Classic Shell, or b) Turn off Classic Shell for that account. I'm going to wait and see if Char tells me how he did it first. Mike S has also given me a couple options to look into. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...nloads/procmon -- Ken Mac OS X 10.11.6 Firefox 53.0.2 (64 bit) Thunderbird 52.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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Windows Explorer Replacements
On 9/12/2017 7:20 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 12/8/17 12:24 PM, s|b wrote: On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 13:59:25 +1000, Bob Borbiro wrote: FreeCommander XE How to set up FC XE to open when one rightclicks Start button Open Windows Explorer? This is exactly the kind of situation I'm looking for, whether it's Free Commander or another replacement. So far, I've not found one. I've just pinned it to the task bar, as with a few other programs. |
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Windows Explorer Replacements
On 12/9/17 5:56 PM, Bob Borbiro wrote:
On 9/12/2017 7:20 AM, Ken Springer wrote: On 12/8/17 12:24 PM, s|b wrote: On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 13:59:25 +1000, Bob Borbiro wrote: FreeCommander XE How to set up FC XE to open when one rightclicks Start button Open Windows Explorer? This is exactly the kind of situation I'm looking for, whether it's Free Commander or another replacement. So far, I've not found one. I've just pinned it to the task bar, as with a few other programs. But, eventually, your taskbar fills up, and you either delete or change the height. I like to have the labels with the icons, and that doesn't help. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.11.6 Firefox 53.0.2 (64 bit) Thunderbird 52.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:04:32 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote: On 12/8/17 11:18 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 16:10:05 -0700, Ken Springer wrote: On 12/7/17 3:16 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On another quest to find a replacement for the default Windows Explorer. What I'm looking for would actually replace Windows Explorer, much like Classic Shell replaces the Start Menu. Meaning, when I right click on the Start Button, and select Explore, the replacement is used, not the Explorer from MS. Does anyone know of one? I'm getting bleary-eyed from trying different file manager programs. So far, none have met the desire to have it run instead of the MS version when you go Startright clickExplore. That's a main wish at my end, followed by the hierarchical structure lines. I didn't see anyone mention it yet, but I assume you know that Windows Explorer can display those lines that you're talking about. I like'em too, so I have the lines enabled here. NO!!! I did *NOT* know this!! I've been trying to find out how to do it for years. Even asked in this newsgroup long, long ago. (But, not in a galaxy far, far, away! LOL) How did you enable the lines? Something along the lines of what Mayayana suggested? I'm using Classic Shell 4.3.0, in case the version matters. 1. In its settings, select the tab labeled Navigation Pane. 2. In the first section, Navigation Pane Style, hover your mouse over the first item, Windows XP Classic. 3. The balloon tip should read "The navigation pane has lines connecting the folders". (While you're there, hover over the other two options to see what they offer.) 4. If that sounds interesting, select that option. Click OK. 5. Open a new instance of Windows Explorer and the various folders should have vertical lines connecting them. I totally apologize if this is not what you were looking for. -- Char Jackson |
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In message , Ken Springer
writes: On 12/9/17 2:24 PM, Mayayana wrote: [] I meant Process Monitor. It started [] None of which I have ever used. This is a level of technicality that only interests me if it lets me meet a goal or need. I'm afraid, me too (-: [] I think what I will try is, install Classic Shell, turn the lines on, and then see what happens when I: a) Uninstall Classic Shell, or b) Turn off Classic Shell for that account. I'm going to wait and see if Char tells me how he did it first. Mike S I'm afraid I am too (or anyone else). [] I hadn't realised Classic Shell does what it does (or some of it) by using settings in existing software, rather than adding software of its own. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Security is the perfect excuse to lock you out of your own computer. - Mayayana in alt.windows7.general, 2015-12-4 |
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Windows Explorer Replacements OT: QtTAbBar (tabs for explorer)
On 12/9/2017 6:05 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:04:32 -0700, Ken Springer wrote: On 12/8/17 11:18 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 16:10:05 -0700, Ken Springer wrote: On 12/7/17 3:16 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On another quest to find a replacement for the default Windows Explorer. What I'm looking for would actually replace Windows Explorer, much like Classic Shell replaces the Start Menu. Meaning, when I right click on the Start Button, and select Explore, the replacement is used, not the Explorer from MS. Does anyone know of one? I'm getting bleary-eyed from trying different file manager programs. So far, none have met the desire to have it run instead of the MS version when you go Startright clickExplore. That's a main wish at my end, followed by the hierarchical structure lines. I didn't see anyone mention it yet, but I assume you know that Windows Explorer can display those lines that you're talking about. I like'em too, so I have the lines enabled here. NO!!! I did *NOT* know this!! I've been trying to find out how to do it for years. Even asked in this newsgroup long, long ago. (But, not in a galaxy far, far, away! LOL) How did you enable the lines? Something along the lines of what Mayayana suggested? I'm using Classic Shell 4.3.0, in case the version matters. 1. In its settings, select the tab labeled Navigation Pane. 2. In the first section, Navigation Pane Style, hover your mouse over the first item, Windows XP Classic. 3. The balloon tip should read "The navigation pane has lines connecting the folders". (While you're there, hover over the other two options to see what they offer.) 4. If that sounds interesting, select that option. Click OK. 5. Open a new instance of Windows Explorer and the various folders should have vertical lines connecting them. I totally apologize if this is not what you were looking for. Classic Shell rocks, I've had older friends buy windows 10 machines and they were completely lost looking at the tabs and wondering how to get to their programs, control panel, etc. Classic Shell made them feel like they had regained control of their computer again. OT I just installed QtTAbBar and it rocks. It puts tabs on the Windows File Explorer, right click on a folder and a new tab opens up exploring that folder, right click on a tab and it closes. And tons of options. Really cool freeware. http://m.majorgeeks.com/files/details/qttabbar.html |
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Windows Explorer Replacements
On 12/9/17 7:05 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:04:32 -0700, Ken Springer wrote: On 12/8/17 11:18 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 16:10:05 -0700, Ken Springer wrote: On 12/7/17 3:16 PM, Ken Springer wrote: snip How did you enable the lines? Something along the lines of what Mayayana suggested? I'm using Classic Shell 4.3.0, in case the version matters. 1. In its settings, select the tab labeled Navigation Pane. 2. In the first section, Navigation Pane Style, hover your mouse over the first item, Windows XP Classic. 3. The balloon tip should read "The navigation pane has lines connecting the folders". (While you're there, hover over the other two options to see what they offer.) 4. If that sounds interesting, select that option. Click OK. 5. Open a new instance of Windows Explorer and the various folders should have vertical lines connecting them. I totally apologize if this is not what you were looking for. And here, I was expecting some long set of instructions for editing the registry!!! ROFL So no apology needed. :-) Classic Shell, here I come. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.11.6 Firefox 53.0.2 (64 bit) Thunderbird 52.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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Windows Explorer Replacements OT: QtTAbBar (tabs for explorer)
On 12/9/17 8:01 PM, Mike S wrote:
On 12/9/2017 6:05 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:04:32 -0700, Ken Springer wrote: On 12/8/17 11:18 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 16:10:05 -0700, Ken Springer wrote: On 12/7/17 3:16 PM, Ken Springer wrote: snip Classic Shell rocks, I've had older friends buy windows 10 machines and they were completely lost looking at the tabs and wondering how to get to their programs, control panel, etc. Classic Shell made them feel like they had regained control of their computer again. My W10 system has Classic Shell in my admin account, but in the 2nd account, it's turned off. I use that account for screenshots of an unadulterated system. OT I just installed QtTAbBar and it rocks. It puts tabs on the Windows File Explorer, right click on a folder and a new tab opens up exploring that folder, right click on a tab and it closes. And tons of options. Really cool freeware. http://m.majorgeeks.com/files/details/qttabbar.html Does the install of that tab bar affect all accounts, or can you install for a specific account? I haven't been able to check out the two links you posted for the newer systems, but I do have them open in tabs in Firefox. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.11.6 Firefox 53.0.2 (64 bit) Thunderbird 52.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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Windows Explorer Replacements
On 12/9/17 7:05 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:04:32 -0700, Ken Springer wrote: On 12/8/17 11:18 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 16:10:05 -0700, Ken Springer wrote: On 12/7/17 3:16 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On another quest to find a replacement for the default Windows Explorer. What I'm looking for would actually replace Windows Explorer, much like Classic Shell replaces the Start Menu. Meaning, when I right click on the Start Button, and select Explore, the replacement is used, not the Explorer from MS. Does anyone know of one? I'm getting bleary-eyed from trying different file manager programs. So far, none have met the desire to have it run instead of the MS version when you go Startright clickExplore. That's a main wish at my end, followed by the hierarchical structure lines. I didn't see anyone mention it yet, but I assume you know that Windows Explorer can display those lines that you're talking about. I like'em too, so I have the lines enabled here. NO!!! I did *NOT* know this!! I've been trying to find out how to do it for years. Even asked in this newsgroup long, long ago. (But, not in a galaxy far, far, away! LOL) How did you enable the lines? Something along the lines of what Mayayana suggested? I'm using Classic Shell 4.3.0, in case the version matters. 1. In its settings, select the tab labeled Navigation Pane. 2. In the first section, Navigation Pane Style, hover your mouse over the first item, Windows XP Classic. 3. The balloon tip should read "The navigation pane has lines connecting the folders". (While you're there, hover over the other two options to see what they offer.) 4. If that sounds interesting, select that option. Click OK. 5. Open a new instance of Windows Explorer and the various folders should have vertical lines connecting them. The current version of Classic Shell is 4.3.1, and that's what I installed. It took actually reading the help file and some Googling to figure out where you were trying to send me, but I got it! I have been wanting that for years!!! Thanks a bunch. I'm still going to investigate adding additional options, namely another file manager, to the Start context menu. I totally apologize if this is not what you were looking for. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.11.6 Firefox 53.0.2 (64 bit) Thunderbird 52.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 12/9/17 7:47 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Ken Springer writes: On 12/9/17 2:24 PM, Mayayana wrote: [] I meant Process Monitor. It started [] None of which I have ever used. This is a level of technicality that only interests me if it lets me meet a goal or need. I'm afraid, me too (-: [] I think what I will try is, install Classic Shell, turn the lines on, and then see what happens when I: a) Uninstall Classic Shell, or b) Turn off Classic Shell for that account. I'm going to wait and see if Char tells me how he did it first. Mike S I'm afraid I am too (or anyone else). [] I hadn't realised Classic Shell does what it does (or some of it) by using settings in existing software, rather than adding software of its own. The lines are apparently all Classic Shell, as when I removed Classic Shell, the lines also disappeared. So, Classic Shell remains, and I'm a happy camper. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.11.6 Firefox 53.0.2 (64 bit) Thunderbird 52.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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In message , Ken Springer
writes: On 12/9/17 7:47 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Ken Springer writes: On 12/9/17 2:24 PM, Mayayana wrote: [] I meant Process Monitor. It started [] None of which I have ever used. This is a level of technicality that only interests me if it lets me meet a goal or need. I'm afraid, me too (-: [] I think what I will try is, install Classic Shell, turn the lines on, and then see what happens when I: a) Uninstall Classic Shell, or b) Turn off Classic Shell for that account. I'm going to wait and see if Char tells me how he did it first. Mike S I'm afraid I am too (or anyone else). [] I hadn't realised Classic Shell does what it does (or some of it) by using settings in existing software, rather than adding software of its own. The lines are apparently all Classic Shell, as when I removed Classic Shell, the lines also disappeared. So, Classic Shell remains, and I'm a happy camper. Someone in this thread said the basic Explorer could do the lines, but we need to find what registry settings CS changes - presumably removing CS returned those settings to their original condition, unless the person who said the basic explorer can draw them was mistaken. I've never understood why MS removed the lines (substituting those tiny triangles) in the first place. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf pu gnikcab yb naem uoy tahw siht sI |
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On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 05:07:13 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , Ken Springer writes: On 12/9/17 7:47 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Ken Springer writes: On 12/9/17 2:24 PM, Mayayana wrote: [] I meant Process Monitor. It started [] None of which I have ever used. This is a level of technicality that only interests me if it lets me meet a goal or need. I'm afraid, me too (-: [] I think what I will try is, install Classic Shell, turn the lines on, and then see what happens when I: a) Uninstall Classic Shell, or b) Turn off Classic Shell for that account. I'm going to wait and see if Char tells me how he did it first. Mike S I'm afraid I am too (or anyone else). [] I hadn't realised Classic Shell does what it does (or some of it) by using settings in existing software, rather than adding software of its own. The lines are apparently all Classic Shell, as when I removed Classic Shell, the lines also disappeared. So, Classic Shell remains, and I'm a happy camper. Someone in this thread said the basic Explorer could do the lines, but we need to find what registry settings CS changes - presumably removing CS returned those settings to their original condition, unless the person who said the basic explorer can draw them was mistaken. I believe that was me, and I could well have been mistaken when I suggested that Classic Shell was merely diddling a Registry setting. The other half of what I meant was that, regardless of how you get there, the stock Windows Explorer could show the vertical lines. In that respect, I was pointing out that you don't need a whole new file manager to get that feature. I've never understood why MS removed the lines (substituting those tiny triangles) in the first place. One of life's mysteries, I guess. Maybe the triangles look new, modern, fresh, exciting, and more than anything else, *different* from what came before, helping MS differentiate the new from the old. -- Char Jackson |
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