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Old October 15th 04, 05:49 PM
Wayne
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Default SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!

Wow, excellent view on the whole box with TV situation. :-)



"Derek Thornton" wrote:

Two facts to consider when installing/working with software.

(A) I'm sorry if I step on toes, but the truth is that people are a lot less
informed than the Tech community believes. 'MOST' people do not know how to
check email, and if they do, it's because some tech support person manually
set it up for them. If something breaks, they are clueless. People do not
understand what "Download" means, they do not understand what "Updates" are
for, they do not understand why their machine might be "at risk". Only the
small handful of tech saavy people out there even understand how security is
important to the computing environment. People don't understand the concept
of 'upgrade' and 'fixes'. They believe that they buy a product, and it should
always be that product, and never change. They don't comprehend what a
"browser" is, even if they use the internet. over 70% of PC Users (according
to a research done in PC Magazine) do not even understand what 'websites' and
'search engines' are. Did you know that the market is COMPLETELY Dominated
with almost exclusively ignorant users who ONLY know how to go to websites
that they have a hard, direct URL to? People don't even know they can search
the internet, much less know what newsgroups and forums are, or even how to
view them. Over 50% of home users do not understand the concept of User
Accounts, yet Microsoft always says to 'Divide up your system into multiple
accounts'. Over 90% of users do not understand the difference between email
and internet, they believe they are the same thing. Even more people do not
comprehend the concept of CD-RW or Disk Backup. They can't fathom the
understanding that Hard Disks (if they even know what they are) are TEMPORARY
STORAGE ONLY!

The point is that people are not stupid, they are IGNORANT. (Hell if I know
how to do service work on my car, I'm not stupid am I? Just ignorant about
cars) and tech people 'assume' more than they should.

Service Pack 2 was straightforward for me and most of my friends, but my
Mother ...she doesn't even know what "Windows Update" is. The problem is that
people expect to be catered to, and I think businesses are realizing that it
is not possible to cater to everyone. There has to be a cut-off point to
where basically it's said "If you can't understand x amount of material to
use this product, then you're not going to be any more informed". It's a sad
thing to notice, but it's the truth. Software CANNOT BE IDIOT PROOF!!! It
cannot be done.No software with any level of functionality beyond basic
NOTEPAD or 'MAYBE' MS PAINT can be devoid of stupidity. There has to be a
level of knowledge people have to know ...

My rant aside, the case in point about Service Pack 2 is that it is an
'upgrade', not an 'update'. The general principle of an upgrade is that it is
major, and attended. Service Pack 2 was not designed for a user to put a disk
in and walk away and come back to a happy computer, Service Pack 2 was
designed for users who have the knowledge to install it ...to install it.
It's a 'MAJOR' upgrade to an existing system. If you are going to have a part
installed on your car, you do not do it yourself IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THE
TECHNICAL KNOW HOW TO DO IT! You take it to your car dealer or whoever
fixes/works on your vehicle for you, and THEY do it. People who have problems
with specific issues in the Service Pack need to report them... but those who
just plain don't understand them ...I'm sorry to be so ...arrogant as some
may say ...but ..'TOO BAD'.

It is partly the fault of Microsoft and other companies for making
assumptions, but as a consumer, the liability of what you do with your
machine is in your hands. People trust software too much, they download and
install it flippantly. This is why Spyware runs rampant, and until software
is made harder to use (not 'harder to use', but rather, less ignorant-proof)
I do not believe security will ever improve...

"Enkidu" wrote:


The average techie would assume (probably wrongly) that you had
already virus scanned the install package.

Cheers,

Cliff

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 02:03:05 -0700, Andrew
wrote:

It is generally accepted by the average user that disabling AV in order to
install a program that may or may not contain a virus just means the techies
are techie by name but not by nature.....

"Mike H" wrote:

It is generally accepted that a/v should be disabled when installing
programs, even though it it not always necessary so to do..


"Alias" wrote in message
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"Gregg Cattanach" wrote

"Steve" wrote

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before
I
installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee
Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with windows
security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as generic as
possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the dumb, !@#$!@
windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible from outside
the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random port -- it has
no
significance by the way) to be accessed from outside the network. I then
switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently" firewalled my computer
WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of this, INTERNET EXPLORER
started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a site, I have to refresh
bloody ten times to get it to display the page. Most of the times I get
the
"Page cannot be displayed - check your connection" error and God knows
what
else. I'm tired of this.. I've uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my
computer becomes USABLE again. DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know
nothing
about computers and all you do on your desktop is check emails and use
MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!


SP2 has worked perfectly for me and for 10s of thousands of other users.

I doubt very seriously that you have contacted "10s of thousands of other
users".

I gather you failed to read that your anti-virus should be OFF when you
install SP2. You act like your experience was based on how SP2 was
written,
not on your sloppy installation method.

--
Gregg C.

The only instruction from MS is activate AU. Nothing about AVs, programs
running in the background, etc. This is irresponsible. Period. Your
patronizing and denigrating attitude towards non-techies is not warranted.

Alias







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