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  #226  
Old October 7th 16, 07:25 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy
GreyCloud
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Default Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) losespatent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.

On 10/06/2016 08:19 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , GreyCloud
wrote:


"Macs are picky about RAM."

You mean where all it actually says is that you need to use RAM
that's compatible?

Hey man, I'm not the one who made that comment. I simply informed you
to the fact that a lot of Mac zealots will claim that you have to get
a specific brand and such. I never said that I agreed with them.

no different than pc zealots.

the reality is that what matters is that the specs are correct. for
example, pc2-5300 won't work in a system that requires pc3-8500. who
makes the memory doesn't matter (unless it's **** quality, which pc
users seem to prefer).


Spec wise you are correct. Quality wise, you are incorrect. That ram
stick you put into a mac is no different in quality to the ones that go
into a regular PC.


exactly the point. mac memory does not cost more.

I've installed ram on earlier macs, and they Apple
ram that was in the mac and the additional ram that I bought were the
same brand, only less money.


now compare what dell, lenovo and hp charge.


A bit less, but not a huge discount.
I go to Best Buy to get ram and is even more discounted.

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  #227  
Old October 7th 16, 07:28 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy
GreyCloud
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Default Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) losespatent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.

On 10/07/2016 01:01 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-06 6:15 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 10/06/2016 04:31 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-06 3:05 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:

On 2016-10-06 2:49 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
nospam wrote:

In article , GreyCloud

wrote:

The more they
accumulate, the slower the computer gets.

nonsense. it only takes up disk space. it doesn't affect speed.


It does over time. After 4 years and updates on win7, it does
start to
slow down. It's the registry that the system has to paw thru
serially
on boot up.

registry issues have nothing to do with stuff that hasn't been
deleted.

Idiot. Stuff which hasn't been deleted has Registry entries. In some
cases *hundreds* of entries for a single application

Which has nothing to do with deleting FILES. Uninstalling
applications,
perhaps...

...but that wasn't what was under discussion:

'The remaining problem is that after updating, Windows keeps the
UPDATE
FILES on the hard disk for God knows what reason.'


And the registry contains links to those files



So how does deleting the files change that?


Now that depends if the program vendor provided an uninstall program
that actually deletes the entires in the registry. Some do and some
don't. If you just go and erase the program, the registry still has the
info there, even tho the program is gone.
And from my experience, a lot of vendors don't care to delete the
registry entries.


But the contention was that merely doing a standard file deletion of
Windows update files would have a beneficial effect; nothing about using
an uninstaller.


It is generally known that good programs have an uninstall program.
There is no guarantee that they have cleaned up the registry as well.

After windows update you have to run their diskclean utility to reclaim
disk space.

  #228  
Old October 7th 16, 07:31 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy
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Default Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) losespatent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.

On 10/06/2016 08:19 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , GreyCloud
wrote:

The other oddity with the system is I have to go in at least once a week
to get rid of the email zipped logs. Each day goes by the boot up time
gets a little slower. Once the zipped logs are gone, the system boots
up a bit faster. Don't know why, as I found this in one of Apples
forums. Plus I have to do the periodics in root.


no need.


Really? Then why does the system start working good after doing the
periodics?

The system runs the email log zipping in the background and eventually,
if you don't clean those logs out, your system could get a bit clogged.
Most logging systems limit to how many logs are written, and then
deletes them, but it still helps to clean out the logs every now and then.

  #229  
Old October 7th 16, 07:33 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy
GreyCloud
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Default Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) losespatent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.

On 10/06/2016 08:03 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 10/6/2016 8:28 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 10/06/2016 05:20 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-05 10:05 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 10/05/2016 02:40 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-04 1:22 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 10/03/2016 10:08 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
snip

Change of subject here, but have you downloaded Sierra yet?

If so, did it speed up any?


No, not yet.

I try and live by the advice I give my clients: don't rush to adopt
the
latest thing.

:-)

That's why I'm asking. The 4k iMac is nice, but it is so slow.
Should've paid the extra money with one with a faster hard drive or a
big SSD.

I suggest some investigation with Activity Monitor might reveal what's
using your CPU...


I'd need a list of what should be running in El Capitan.
That would be a very good check.
I've also, again, suspected something from Snow Leopard that was ported
over to El Capitan. It's starting to look that way. I'll have to spend
some time inside the root area and see what shouldn't be there.
I've already tossed out a lot of old stuff as it is.


BTW, when you receive email with a photo attached, and then you select
the photo for printout, does the preview pane show only a portion of
the
photo? We're having this problem on and off since last spring.

I can't say, because I haven't printed a photo in a long time.


Interesting... I just tried this and on my system printing from Apple
Mail, it alternates between cutting off the lower half of the image, and
printing the whole thing. I don't know why it's happening, but for me,
if the image is cut off and a simply cancel the print dialog and choose
Print... again, it will printer properly.


That is an oddity. HP printer?


Could it be tied to the HP printer driver?


I doubt it, because it seems to happen irrespective of the printer
driver I select.


I take it you have more than one printer brand then.



Why are we discussing Apples problems on a Windows NG?


I'm talking to Baker in CSMA. The topic has obviously been
cross-posted. I subscribe to COLA. You'll have to find out who cross
posted this topic.


  #230  
Old October 7th 16, 07:41 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Peter Köhlmann[_3_]
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Default Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.

GreyCloud wrote:

On 10/06/2016 08:03 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 10/6/2016 8:28 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 10/06/2016 05:20 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-05 10:05 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 10/05/2016 02:40 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-04 1:22 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 10/03/2016 10:08 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
snip

Change of subject here, but have you downloaded Sierra yet?

If so, did it speed up any?


No, not yet.

I try and live by the advice I give my clients: don't rush to adopt
the
latest thing.

:-)

That's why I'm asking. The 4k iMac is nice, but it is so slow.
Should've paid the extra money with one with a faster hard drive or a
big SSD.

I suggest some investigation with Activity Monitor might reveal what's
using your CPU...


I'd need a list of what should be running in El Capitan.
That would be a very good check.
I've also, again, suspected something from Snow Leopard that was ported
over to El Capitan. It's starting to look that way. I'll have to spend
some time inside the root area and see what shouldn't be there.
I've already tossed out a lot of old stuff as it is.


BTW, when you receive email with a photo attached, and then you select
the photo for printout, does the preview pane show only a portion of
the
photo? We're having this problem on and off since last spring.

I can't say, because I haven't printed a photo in a long time.


Interesting... I just tried this and on my system printing from Apple
Mail, it alternates between cutting off the lower half of the image,
and printing the whole thing. I don't know why it's happening, but for
me, if the image is cut off and a simply cancel the print dialog and
choose Print... again, it will printer properly.

That is an oddity. HP printer?


Could it be tied to the HP printer driver?


I doubt it, because it seems to happen irrespective of the printer
driver I select.

I take it you have more than one printer brand then.



Why are we discussing Apples problems on a Windows NG?


I'm talking to Baker in CSMA. The topic has obviously been
cross-posted. I subscribe to COLA. You'll have to find out who cross
posted this topic.


It was "Fritz Wuehler" the dizum coward
  #231  
Old October 7th 16, 07:43 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy
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Default Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.

In article , GreyCloud
wrote:

The other oddity with the system is I have to go in at least once a week
to get rid of the email zipped logs. Each day goes by the boot up time
gets a little slower. Once the zipped logs are gone, the system boots
up a bit faster. Don't know why, as I found this in one of Apples
forums. Plus I have to do the periodics in root.


no need.


Really? Then why does the system start working good after doing the
periodics?


you're taking about removing old logs, which is a waste of time.

the periodics run on their own. no need to manually invoke them.

The system runs the email log zipping in the background and eventually,
if you don't clean those logs out, your system could get a bit clogged.
Most logging systems limit to how many logs are written, and then
deletes them, but it still helps to clean out the logs every now and then.


nonsense.
  #232  
Old October 7th 16, 08:37 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy
GreyCloud
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Default Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) losespatent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.

On 10/07/2016 12:41 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
GreyCloud wrote:

On 10/06/2016 08:03 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 10/6/2016 8:28 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 10/06/2016 05:20 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-05 10:05 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 10/05/2016 02:40 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-04 1:22 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 10/03/2016 10:08 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
snip

Change of subject here, but have you downloaded Sierra yet?

If so, did it speed up any?


No, not yet.

I try and live by the advice I give my clients: don't rush to adopt
the
latest thing.

:-)

That's why I'm asking. The 4k iMac is nice, but it is so slow.
Should've paid the extra money with one with a faster hard drive or a
big SSD.

I suggest some investigation with Activity Monitor might reveal what's
using your CPU...


I'd need a list of what should be running in El Capitan.
That would be a very good check.
I've also, again, suspected something from Snow Leopard that was ported
over to El Capitan. It's starting to look that way. I'll have to spend
some time inside the root area and see what shouldn't be there.
I've already tossed out a lot of old stuff as it is.


BTW, when you receive email with a photo attached, and then you select
the photo for printout, does the preview pane show only a portion of
the
photo? We're having this problem on and off since last spring.

I can't say, because I haven't printed a photo in a long time.


Interesting... I just tried this and on my system printing from Apple
Mail, it alternates between cutting off the lower half of the image,
and printing the whole thing. I don't know why it's happening, but for
me, if the image is cut off and a simply cancel the print dialog and
choose Print... again, it will printer properly.

That is an oddity. HP printer?


Could it be tied to the HP printer driver?


I doubt it, because it seems to happen irrespective of the printer
driver I select.

I take it you have more than one printer brand then.



Why are we discussing Apples problems on a Windows NG?


I'm talking to Baker in CSMA. The topic has obviously been
cross-posted. I subscribe to COLA. You'll have to find out who cross
posted this topic.


It was "Fritz Wuehler" the dizum coward


That explains a lot. I posted, then looked.

  #233  
Old October 7th 16, 08:43 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system, alt.test, alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Anonymous Remailer (austria)
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Default Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) losespatent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.


In article
GreyCloud wrote:

On 10/06/2016 08:19 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , GreyCloud
wrote:


"Macs are picky about RAM."

You mean where all it actually says is that you need to use RAM
that's compatible?

Hey man, I'm not the one who made that comment. I simply informed you
to the fact that a lot of Mac zealots will claim that you have to get
a specific brand and such. I never said that I agreed with them.

no different than pc zealots.

the reality is that what matters is that the specs are correct. for
example, pc2-5300 won't work in a system that requires pc3-8500. who
makes the memory doesn't matter (unless it's **** quality, which pc
users seem to prefer).


Spec wise you are correct. Quality wise, you are incorrect. That ram
stick you put into a mac is no different in quality to the ones that go
into a regular PC.


exactly the point. mac memory does not cost more.

I've installed ram on earlier macs, and they Apple
ram that was in the mac and the additional ram that I bought were the
same brand, only less money.


now compare what dell, lenovo and hp charge.


A bit less, but not a huge discount.
I go to Best Buy to get ram and is even more discounted.


  #234  
Old October 7th 16, 09:20 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system, alt.test, alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Nathan Hale
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Default Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) losespatent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.

In article
GreyCloud wrote:

On 10/07/2016 12:41 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
GreyCloud wrote:

On 10/06/2016 08:03 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 10/6/2016 8:28 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 10/06/2016 05:20 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-05 10:05 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 10/05/2016 02:40 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-04 1:22 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 10/03/2016 10:08 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
snip

Change of subject here, but have you downloaded Sierra yet?

If so, did it speed up any?


No, not yet.

I try and live by the advice I give my clients: don't rush to adopt
the
latest thing.

:-)

That's why I'm asking. The 4k iMac is nice, but it is so slow.
Should've paid the extra money with one with a faster hard drive or a
big SSD.

I suggest some investigation with Activity Monitor might reveal what's
using your CPU...


I'd need a list of what should be running in El Capitan.
That would be a very good check.
I've also, again, suspected something from Snow Leopard that was ported
over to El Capitan. It's starting to look that way. I'll have to spend
some time inside the root area and see what shouldn't be there.
I've already tossed out a lot of old stuff as it is.


BTW, when you receive email with a photo attached, and then you select
the photo for printout, does the preview pane show only a portion of
the
photo? We're having this problem on and off since last spring.

I can't say, because I haven't printed a photo in a long time.


Interesting... I just tried this and on my system printing from Apple
Mail, it alternates between cutting off the lower half of the image,
and printing the whole thing. I don't know why it's happening, but for
me, if the image is cut off and a simply cancel the print dialog and
choose Print... again, it will printer properly.

That is an oddity. HP printer?


Could it be tied to the HP printer driver?


I doubt it, because it seems to happen irrespective of the printer
driver I select.

I take it you have more than one printer brand then.



Why are we discussing Apples problems on a Windows NG?


I'm talking to Baker in CSMA. The topic has obviously been
cross-posted. I subscribe to COLA. You'll have to find out who cross
posted this topic.


It was "Fritz Wuehler" the dizum coward


That explains a lot. I posted, then looked.


  #235  
Old October 8th 16, 04:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.

Peter Köhlmann wrote:

pinnerite wrote:

I am not an Apple user (my wife is because two of our kids use facetime).

However, I am grateful to Apple for something they DID 'invent' - CUPS.
The Common Unix Printing System which (as far as I know) every Linux
desktop uses for printing.

No need to thank me


They did *not* invent CUPS. They simply paid for it and its author. And it
is still open source as it was from the start, and they can't change that.
It would simply be forked then



I was mislead by the copyright notice '2007-2015'.

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