Is there a way to revert to 7 after 30 days has expired?

Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 1/30/2016 3:46 AM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I have a customer that waited to long to call me after
he upgraded his 7 to 10. (He claims he did not request that,
but...)


Suggest a complete re-installation of Win 7. You got a clean starting
point and you never knew what Win 10 had done to drive C:!

Do you know how long it takes to do Windows Update
after a clean install of W7 ?

Doing a clean install now is no fun at all. It's torture.

Paul

On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 04:19:35 -0500, Paul wrote:

Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 1/30/2016 3:46 AM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I have a customer that waited to long to call me after
he upgraded his 7 to 10. (He claims he did not request that,
but...)


Suggest a complete re-installation of Win 7. You got a clean starting
point and you never knew what Win 10 had done to drive C:!

Do you know how long it takes to do Windows Update
after a clean install of W7 ?

Doing a clean install now is no fun at all. It's torture.

Paul

You don't have to watch. I find something else to do at the same time.

Steve

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On 1/30/2016 5:19 PM, Paul wrote:
Do you know how long it takes to do Windows Update
after a clean install of W7 ?
Doing a clean install now is no fun at all. It's torture.

I will definitely do it. But then it's not my PC.

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On 1/30/2016 6:01 PM, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

You don't have to watch. I find something else to do at the same time.


Indeed! You can go to bed after starting the installation of the
updates. The next morning, everything should be done.

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On 29/01/2016 22:06, Ralph Fox wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:46:30 -0800, T wrote:

I have a customer that waited to long to call me after
he upgraded his 7 to 10. (He claims he did not request that,
but...)


For a while here, Windows Update had Windows 10 listed as an
optional update AND automatically check-marked.


Yep, that was a bug which was later fixed, according to MS. "Upgrade to
10" was an optional update BUT it was automatically check-marked.

If I had left Windows updates on automatic instead of "let me
choose", I would also have been upgraded without requesting.

It would have requesed confirmation before starting install, anyway.


Please note all that (W10 was just an *optional* update, but a "bug"
auto-selected it) happened in year 2015.

2016 is a completely different kettle of fish: W10 becomes a
"recommended" update. Even so, you'll be "prompted to choose whether or
not continue", says MS.

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexp...to-windows-10/

"...Early next year, we expect to be re-categorizing Windows 10 as a
“Recommended Update”. Depending upon your Windows Update settings, this
may cause the upgrade process to automatically initiate on your device.
Before the upgrade changes the OS of your device, you will be clearly
prompted to choose whether or not to continue. And of course, if you
choose to upgrade (our recommendation!), then you will have 31 days to
roll back to your previous Windows version if you don’t love it..."

On 30/01/2016 09:35, mike wrote:
On 1/29/2016 10:21 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:
Paul wrote:
T wrote:
Hi All,

I have a customer that waited to long to call me after
he upgraded his 7 to 10. (He claims he did not request that,
but...)

Is there any way to revert back to 7 after the 30 days
expires without wiping and reinstalling?

Many thanks,
-T

Jesus, doesn't anyone make backups any more ? :-)

Paul
Did the majority ever ?

The way windows comes on the new PC, many people have no place
to put a backup, even if they wanted to.
Takes some planning and a modification of the partitions
to make backups quick and easy without buying external drives.

On the other hand, the "Shrink volume" feature in Windows Disk
Management seems to work pretty well, and that should give you some room
to create a new partition for data and backups.

On 30/01/2016 11:17, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 1/30/2016 6:01 PM, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

You don't have to watch. I find something else to do at the same time.


Indeed! You can go to bed after starting the installation of the
updates. The next morning, everything should be done.

The real bummer is to install and configure again your applications
after installing the o.s.
Before starting anything, I would write down a list of the installed
apps (Belarc Advisor and CCleaner - Tools can assist you) and save
whatever information might be useful for later reinstallation (license
info, settings, databases...). Sometimes you can speed things up by
saving your settings to an online account. For instance in Chrome
logging to your account restores your browser settings and add-ons, if
you linked your Chrome settings to a Google account.

On 1/30/2016 8:59 PM, edevils wrote:

The real bummer is to install and configure again your applications
after installing the o.s.

Most users need only Office and maybe Adobe CS... maybe some games.

Before starting anything, I would write down a list of the installed
apps (Belarc Advisor and CCleaner - Tools can assist you) and save

I have never needed them.

whatever information might be useful for later reinstallation (license
info, settings, databases...). Sometimes you can speed things up by
saving your settings to an online account. For instance in Chrome
logging to your account restores your browser settings and add-ons, if
you linked your Chrome settings to a Google account.

You still need to do your routine backup no matter what.

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On 30/01/2016 14:01, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 1/30/2016 8:59 PM, edevils wrote:

The real bummer is to install and configure again your applications
after installing the o.s.

Most users need only Office and maybe Adobe CS... maybe some games.
[...]

No web browser? :-O

On 1/30/2016 9:07 PM, edevils wrote:

No web browser? :-O


I supposed most users were/are happy with IE. I myself am using Firefox.

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On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 14:07:11 +0100, edevils
wrote:

On 30/01/2016 14:01, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 1/30/2016 8:59 PM, edevils wrote:

The real bummer is to install and configure again your applications
after installing the o.s.

Most users need only Office and maybe Adobe CS... maybe some games.
[...]

No web browser? :-O


My main software development PC has not got a web browser.

Steve

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On 1/30/2016 9:38 PM, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

My main software development PC has not got a web browser.


In the old days, the browser also served as a FTP client.

These days, few distribute their stuffs over FTP protocol. Even Mozilla
switched off its FTP server and switched to HTTP.

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On 30/01/2016 14:35, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 1/30/2016 9:07 PM, edevils wrote:

No web browser? :-O


I supposed most users were/are happy with IE.

Even preinstalled IE needs some set-up.


I myself am using Firefox.

In FF, a FF account would sync your add-ons and settings, so you'll find
them when you install FF again on the same PC or even another device.

"Synchronize your bookmarks, history, tabs, passwords, add-ons, and
preferences across all your devices."

In FF, a FF account would sync your add-ons and settings, so you'll find
them when you install FF again on the same PC or even another device.
"Synchronize your bookmarks, history, tabs, passwords, add-ons, and
preferences across all your devices."

I don't use the sync feature, and I don't store passwords in my Firefox.
I have used about:config to auto-export my bookmarks to a HTML file (the
old way).

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/929746

Anyway, I agree it's quite time-consuming to reinstall Window$ and all
needed programs. But it's worth the time to do it annually, as a way to
guarantee a clean system.

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On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 00:35:04 -0800, mike wrote:

On 1/29/2016 10:21 PM, ...winston? wrote:
Paul wrote:

Jesus, doesn't anyone make backups any more ? :-)

Paul
Did the majority ever ?

The way windows comes on the new PC, many people have no place
to put a backup, even if they wanted to.
Takes some planning and a modification of the partitions
to make backups quick and easy without buying external drives.


Anyone who backs up to an internal drive is playing with fire. The
only good ways to back up are to external devices or to the "cloud."
Backup to anything else leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of
the original and backup to many of the most common dangers: severe
power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks, even theft of
the computer.